[A. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:05] >> I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, AND IT IS OFFICIALLY 9:00, AND I'M STRETCHING, AND THERE HE IS... PEACEPASTOR DARIUS TODD WILL LER INVOCATION, IF YOU WILL PLEASE ALL RISE. >> HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO COME TOGETHER. WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY THAT YOU HAVE MADE AND GRANTED US SPACE TO COME AS A COMMUNITY. WE THANK YOU, GOD, FOR GIVING US THE FREEDOM TO GATHER. TO HEAR OUR NEIGHBORS, TO RESOLVE CONCERNS, AND TO CELEBRATE ACCOMPLISHMENTS. TODAY, LORD, WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD GIVE US GRACE TO LEARN, TO HEAL, AND TO COME TOGETHER AS ONE PEOPLE SO THAT WE MAY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND ALL MAY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROSPER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOODNESS AND YOUR MERCY. WE GIVE YOU THANKS FOR THESE NOW. IN JESUS' NAME I PRAY. >> (IN UNISON): AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG; I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. >> AND IF YOU WILL PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. [E. PUBLIC COMMENTS ] I WILL YIELD TO YOU. IF YOU WILL TAKE OVER. THOSE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, THERE ARE TWO WAYS TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC COMMENTS. ONE WILL BE NOW, OR THE OTHER IS WHEN WE ACTUALLY OPEN THE AGENDA ITEM. WHEN WE OPEN THE AGENDA ITEM, HOWEVER, IT IS MORE RESTRICTIVE. YOU CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT THAT AGENDA ITEM. HERE IS WHEN YOU WOULD SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT. SO, THOSE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP FOR AN AGENDA ITEM, IF THEY CHANGE THEIR MIND HEARING THAT AND WANT TO SPEAK NOW, LET US KNOW AND WE'LL CHANGE YOUR ENTRY. OTHERWISE, FOLLOW AS IT'S BEEN. >> IN-PERSON, WE HAVE LIZ SU SUMPTEDAIDOS. >> GOOD MORNING. I'M HERE FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. THE FIRST ONE IS THE AXON CONTRACT. I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A TEN-YEAR CONTRACT FOR SOFTWARE JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE. ESPECIALLY ONE THAT BINDS ONE ADMINISTRATION OVER ANOTHER OVER ANOTHER. INCLUDING A SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THE SHERIFF IS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. HE DECIDES WHAT HIS POLICIES ARE. HE DECIDES HOW TO RUN HIS OFFICE. YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY MANDATE ANY GUARDRAILS FOR HIM. FOR EXAMPLE, THE ILA, THE INTERLOCATION AGREEMENT ON THE RESOURCE CENTER. WE KNOW WHAT IS MANDATED IN THIS FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO DO. IS HE DOING IT? WELL, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. AND IT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T. YOU CAN'T MANDATE ANYTHING THAT ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL HAS AUTHORITY OVER. SO YOU'RE EITHER ALL AN IN FOR AXON OR ALL OUT. FURTHERMORE, I THINK THE MONEY COULD BE USED IN A MUCH BETTER WAY. HOMELESSNESS IN HA HAYS COUNTY S CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY. I RAN ACROSS TWO WOMEN AND A 16-YEAR-OLD GIVING IN A VAN WITH THEIR ANIMALS. THEY HAVE MASTERS DEGREES. THEY'RE PERFECTLY CABLE OF WORKING, EXCEPT FOR ONE, WHO HAS A MEDICAL ISSUE, AND THE REASON THAT WE ARE NOW HOMELESS. AND CONSCIENCE -- MY CONSCIENCE COULDN'T ALLOW ME TO LET THEM STAY IN THAT CONDITION. SO THEY'RE NOW LIVING WITH ME UNTIL THEY GET ON THEIR FEET, AND I'M HOPING THAT YOUR CONSCIENCE, KNOWING THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A BIGGER PROBLEM FOR HAYS COUNTY IN THE FUTURE, NOT A SMALLER ONE, IF WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF THAT TODAY AND BEGIN THAT PROCESS OF FUNDING MORE MONEY TOWARDS THE SOUTH SIDE CENTER, THE BRT. HOME CENTER. I MEAN, ALL OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HELP PEOPLE STAY IN THEIR HOMES, FEED THEIR FAMILIES, GET JOB TRAINING. WHATEVER THE ISSUE MIGHT BE. THEN OUR SOCIETY FALLS. IT DOESN'T GET BETTER SO I'M HOPING TODAY THAT WHAT YOU'LL DO IS TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SAY THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT? THOSE NUMBERS CAN ACTUALLY BE USED IN A WAY THAT WILL DIRECT [00:05:01] CITIZENS DIRECTLY AND HAVE THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON OUR ECONOMIC STABILITY, JOBS IN THE FUTURE, AND ACTUALLY IMPACT PUBLIC SAFETY, BECAUSE CRIMES OF NECESSITY WILL OCCUR, AND THAT'S THE LAST THING THAT WE WANT TO BE IN A CYCLE IN. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. >> REBECCA KILBURN. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, JUDGE AND STAFF. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING ME. MY NAME IS REBECCA KILBURN. I RESIDE HERE WITH MY HUSBAND BILL MILLER. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT YOU ALL ARE PAID TO BE HERE, AND SOME OF US ARE NOT. I HAD TO GIVE UP SOME OF MY SHIFT AT WORK TODAY TO COME SO THAT I COULD SPEAK WITH MY OWN MOUTH WORDS THAT I WROTE WITH MY OWN HANDS. THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, THE COMMUNITY ACCUSED THE DEVELOPER OF NOT HAVING THEIR PANTS ON BEFORE PUTTING ON THEIR SHOES. I THINK THAT HAYS COUNTY NOW IS RUNNING AROUND WITHOUT EITHER PANTS OR SHOES IN THE WAKE OF THEIR DIVORCE WITH KNOCK, ABOUT TO SIGN ON WITH AXON FOR SERVICES WE DON'T NEED WITH MONEY THAT WE DON'T HAVE. FISCAL CONSERVATIVE? THAT'S A LOFTY CLAIM. ON PAGE 263, IF YOU ARE ONLINE WITH US TODAY ON THE AGENDA PAGE, CLICK THE DOWNLOAD PDF PACKET. YOU'LL SEE ON THAT RATE SHEET, THEY PAY THEIR EXECUTIVES YOU HAVE TO $350 AN HOUR. WHEN I WAS DOING QUALITY ASSURANCE FOR CONSTRUCTION, I GOT PAID $23 AN HOUR. I THINK IT'S OUTRAGE OUTSIDE THAT WE'RE SPENDING THAT KIND OF MONEY FOR AN ENGINEERING COMPANY THAT WE HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN HIRING THROUGH THE COUNTY. ALSO, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THE RAISES THAT ARE SCHEDULED FOR NEXT YEAR IN THE BUDGET. $5,000 TO $7,000, DEPENDING ON THE PRECINCT FOR THE COMMISSIONERS. A YEAR RAISE? $5,000 A YEAR RAISE? THAT'S GOOD MONEY, BUT FOR THE SHERIFF, A STAGGERING $34,000 RAISE. THAT'S THE MOST MONEY I'VE MADE IN A YEAR IN MY ENTIRE LIFE, AND WE'RE GIVING THAT TO HIM AS A RAISE? THAT SEEMS REALLY SHADY TO ME, WHEN SOCIAL SERVICES ARE SO UNDER FUNDED. I CAME HERE TODAY TO SAY THAT WE NO LONGER TRUST OUR REPRESENTATIVES TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE, AND WE'RE WATCHING. WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, IF SOMEBODY SAID "I'LL BE WATCHING YOU." IT WAS CONSIDERED A THREAT, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU ALL ARE SAYING TO ALL OF US, TRYING TO SLIDE A 10-YEAR CONTRACT WITH AXON INTO OUR BUDGET. ESPECIALLY WITH A COMPANY THAT MAY NOT EVEN BE AROUND FOR TEN YEARS. A COMPANY WHOSE ETHICS BOARD QUIT AFTER THEY DECIDED TO MOUNT TASERS ON TO DRONES. A COMPANY WHO COULD COPY ITS INDUSTRY COMPETITORS AND LOAD SMALL DRONES WITH 3 OUNCES WORTH OF EXPLOSIVES THAT CAN FLY AT A PERSON USING FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY AND KILL THEM. FUTURE LIKE "BLACK MIRROR" OR" JUDGE DREAD," IS TH: IS THIS THE FUTURE WE WANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY? >> BILL MILLER. >> GOOD MORNING. CAN I RELINQUISH MY TIME SO MS. KILBURN... NO? OKAY. MY NAME IS BILL MILLER. I'M GOING TO FINISH WHAT REBECCA KILBURN WAS SAYING. 30% OF THE CITY'S RESIDENTS LIVE AT OR BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. YOU MUST THINK WE'RE ALL RICH TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD $4.5 MILLION WORTH OF POLICE STATE SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY THAT IS UNPROVEN AND UNWARRANTED. IF OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY SAFER, LET'S INVEST IN THINGS THAT WE KNOW SCIENTIFICALLY TO REDUCE CRIME RATES. IF OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE OFFICERS MORE EFFECTIVE, LET'S GIVE THEM MORE SUPPORT POSITIONS, MORE BOOTS ON THE GROUND. COMMUNITY OUTREACH, HOUSING, AND RENTAL ASSISTANCE, SOCIAL SERVICES, ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE CLASSES FOR OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS, PROFESSIONAL SPANISH CLASSES FREE FOR CIVIL SERVANTS AND LOW-COST FOR OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS. CASEWORKERS. MORE PEOPLE POLICING IN OUR COMMUNITIES. HUMAN HANDS AND HUMAN CARE. WE HAVE TO STOP WORRYING ABOUT AND SPENDING TIME AND MONEY ON [00:10:01] THINGS WE DON'T WANT. WE DON'T WANT CRIME. WE DON'T WANT LITTER. WE DON'T WANT UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS. CRY, CRY, CRY. 1-9WHINE, WHINE, WHINE. WE WANT FOOD SECURITY, CLEAN WATER, LIVING WAGES, HOUSING STABILITY, AFFORDABILITY UTILITIES AND HEALTH CARE. SOME OF YOU HAVE KIDS. I NEVER HAD CHILDREN -- OR SHE NEVER HAD CHILDREN OF HER OWN, HOPING THAT WOULD ABSOLVE HER OF THE RESPONSIBILITY TO SHOW UP AND FIGHT AGAINST LUNACY IN THE NAME OF A BRIGHTER FUTURE, OR AT LEAST A FUTURE. HERE I AM BECAUSE THERE'S NO HARDSHIP MORE GRAVE THAN TO FACE A DARK FUTURE. IT IS NOT NON-STANDARD TO HAVE A CONTRACT OF SUCH LENGTH -- OR IS IT NOT NON-STANDARD TO HAVE A CONTRACT OF SUCH LENGTH? TEN YEARS PROPOSED TO WORK WITH AXON? TO TRANSCEND TERM LIMITS WITH A SINGLE BUDGET APPROVAL SEEMS INHERENTLY WRONG. I'M DISGUSTED WITH YOU. YOU'RE NOT LISTENING. COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE NOT BEEN COMING FOR WEEKS EXPRESSING OUR DISPLEASURE AT THIS FLOCK BAIT AND SWITCH. AXON IS WORSE. HOW CAN WE VOTE FOR CLEAN WATER BUT VOTE -- HOW CAN WE VOTE FOR CLEAN WATER WHILE VOTE AGAINST A.I. PROCESSING CENTERS AND THEN HIRE A COMPANY THAT WORKS AGAINST BOTH GOALS? ADDITIONALLY, THE DATA THEY COLLECT WILL EVENTUALLY BE SOLD, JUST LIKE OUR GENETIC DATA WAS SOLD WITH 23ANDME WHEN THAT COMPANY WENT OUT OF BUSINESS. DO NOT APPROVE THE BUDGET AS WRITTEN. VOTE "NO" ON K-12. VOTE TO DELAY THE ADOPTION UNTIL IT'S AMENDED, AND VOTE "NO" ON K-14. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> PASTOR JEFF THOMPSON. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. I'M JEFF THOMPSON, A LEADER WITH CORRIDOR INTERFAITH ALLIANCE FOR FAMILIES AND CENTRAL TEXAS INTERFAITH, AND I'M ALSO VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE CAPITAL IDEA BOARD, AND I HAVE WITH ME TODAY EVA RÍOS, WHO'S THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL IDEA. I APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR CAPITAL IDEA OVER THE YEARS; ESPECIALLY FOR THE INCREASE TO $70,000 THAT YOU HAVE INDICATED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR 2027. YOUR ONGOING SUPPORT IS AN INVESTMENT IN THE FUTURE OF DOZENS OF HAYS COUNTY RESIDENTS TO HELP THEM MOVE OUT OF LOW-PAYING JOBS, INTO MOSTLY HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONS, BUT ALSO I.T. JOBS AND TRADES TRAINING. THEIR STARTING WAGE FOR A GRADUATE IN THIS PROGRAM IS AN AVERAGE OF $32 PER HOUR. PARTICIPANTS AVERAGE ANNUAL WAGES IN THE PAST THREE YEARS HAVE INCREASED FROM JUST OVER $21,000 BEFORE CAPITAL IDEA TO ALMOST 69,000 AFTER CAPITAL IDEA, AN AVERAGE WAGE INCREASE OF 213%. OUR GRADUATES HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE IN HAYS COUNTY JOBS, AT HAYS COUNTY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, TEXAS STATE UNIVERSITY, PAN HEALTH CARE REHABILITATION HOSPITAL, TEXAS CHILDREN'S PEDIATRICS, IS AN MARCOS TREATMENT CENTER, AND HAYS NURSING AND REHABILITATION CENTER. THAT GROUND-BREAKING AT THE HAYS CAMPUS WILL BE NEXT WEEK FOR THAT BUILDING. I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT. THE NEW ST. DAVE'S HOSPITAL WHICH IS ALREADY UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN KYLE WILL NEED NEW PROFESSIONS. CAPITAL IDEAS IS READY, WILLING AND ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE WORKERS. IN PROVIDING FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR GRADUATES, YOU HAVE ALSO PROVIDED MUCH-NEEDED SERVICES FOR RESIDENTS IN HAYS COUNTY. SO I THANK YOU AGAIN FOR INVESTING IN MAKING HAYS COUNTY A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> BRIAN MCCOY. [00:15:12] >> WELL, GOOD MORNING, JUDGE BECERRA, COMMISSIONER. I'M BRIAN MCCOY, DIRECTOR OF THE MCCOY FOUNDATION. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY IN SUPPORT OF SOUTH SIDE MOUNT CENTER. MY SISTER BRENDA RÉMI MCCOY JOINS ME THIS MORNING AS WELL. AND BY THE WAY, ALL THE WORDS THAT I'M GOING TO SHARE THIS MORNING WITH MINE. NONE OF IT HAS BEEN GENERATED BY A.I. OF 2024. THE ORIGINAL PROGRAM WAS THE RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAM EFFORTS FUNDED THROUGH ARPA, WHICH LATER EVOLVED IN THE BROADER HOUSING STABILITY PROGRAM. APPROXIMATELY $800,000 WAS INVESTED TO LAUNCH A COORDINATED COMMUNITY-BASED APPROACH TO REDUCING HOMELESSNESS. IT IS ALREADY PRODUCING RESULTS FOR LOCAL FAMILIES. WITH THOSE FUNDS NEARLY EXHAUSTED, OUR FAMILY HAS BEEN ASKED TO HELP UNDERWRITE THE PROGRAM. AND WE HAVE AGREED TO DO SO ANNUALLY IN THE AMOUNT OF $250,000, PROVIDED THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING SOURCES JOIN US. MCCOY FAMILY FUNDS ALONE ARE NOT SUFFICIENT TO MAKE THE PROGRAM VIABLE. SOUTH SIDE'S TARGET FUNDING GOAL FOR THE HOUSING STABILITY PROGRAM THIS COMING YEAR IS $750,000. WE'RE ASKING THE COUNTY TO CONTRIBUTE 250,000, AND WE'LL BE ASKING THE CI SEVERAL CITIES COLLECTIVELY TO CONTRIBUTE AN ADDITIONAL $250,000. IDEALLY WITH A MULTI-YEAR COMMITMENT AS A BUDGET LINE ITEM. THIS BUDGET ALLOWS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS TO BE EFFICIENT AND REMAIN A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF MONIES ACTUALLY HELPING OUR NEIGHBORS WHO ARE IN NEED. I WANT TO SHARE A FEW STATISTICS: IN 2025, SOUTH SIDE'S HOUSING PROGRAMS SERVED 371 HOUSEHOLDS, INCLUDING 106 THROUGH EVICTION PREVENTION AND 265 THROUGH EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE. SO FAR IN 2026, SOUTH SIDE HAS SERVED 201 HOUSEHOLDS ACROSS ITS HOUSING PROGRAMS, INCLUDING 157 THROUGH EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE AND 21 THROUGH THE TRANSITIONAL SHELTER PROGRAM. SOUTH SIDE IS CURRENTLY SERVING AN AVERAGE OF APPROXIMATELY 25 FAMILIES PER MONTH. MCCOY AND REMY FAMILIES LIVED IN HASTE COUNTY SINCE 197-2123 WE ARE COMMITTED TO SUPPORTING VIABLE PROGRAMS THAT HELP OUR DISADVANTAGED NEIGHBORS. CANDIDLY, THIS PROGRAM CANNOT CONTINUE WITHOUT COMMITMENTS FROM BOTH THE PRIVATE AND PUBLIC SECTORS. SOUTH SIDE HAS PROVEN TO OUR FAMILY THEY HAVE THE LEADERSHIP AND THE STAFF TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THE HOUSING STABILITY PROGRAM A CREATIVE AND EFFICIENT WAY TO HELP PEOPLE IN NEED, PROVIDED THE FUNDING IS IN PLACE. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL ON ON THIS COMMISSIONERS' COURT AND YOUR STAFF AS YOU SERVE THE PEOPLE OF THE PLACE WE LOVE TO CALL HOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> AMY CALF. >> GOOD MORNING, COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS AMY CALF, AND I'M HERE AGAIN ASKING YOU NOT TO APPROVE THE AXON CONTRACT. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO HAS ALREADY SPOKEN. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE POINTS THAT ARE MADE ARE VERY IMPORTANT, AND I WOULD URGE Y'ALL TO LISTEN TO THEM. I APPRECIATE JUDGE SUMPER POINTING OUT THAT AT THAT TEN-YEAR CONTRACT FOR $4.5 MILLION. THIS IS NOT FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. AS MS. KILBURN SAID AS WELL. WE LOOK AROUND AT PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT SOUTH SIDE AND OTHER SERVICES AND WE SEE THAT IT'S NOT ENOUGH. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HERE ARE STRUGGLING AND WE CAN SEE IT. WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK FOR IT. IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR FACES. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT, SO OFTEN, OUR GOVERNMENT -- WHETHER IT'S FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, STATE GOVERNMENT, LOCAL GOVERNMENT -- GIVES INTO THE POLITICS OF FEAR. YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF THINKING ABOUT HOW WE CAN SUPPORT EACH OTHER, HOW WE CAN PREVENT CRIMES BEFORE THEY HAPPEN, CRIMES OF EXPLANADESPERATION, AS PEOPLE HE MENTIONED. I'VE HEARD SO MANY TIMES, LIKE, WHAT IF YOUR DAUGHTER IS KIDNAPPED? WOULDN'T YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, THIS TECHNOLOGY TO HELP FIND HER? YOU KNOW, I PRAY TO GOD THAT MY DAUGHTER NEVER GETS KIDNAPPED, [00:20:05] BUT THAT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, UP THERE IN MY FEARS FOR MY DAUGHTER. YOU KNOW, I AM AFRAID OF THE THINGS THAT ARE CONFRONTING US RIGHT NOW, AS JUDGE BECERRA HAS MENTIONED BEFORE. 20% OF OUR CHILDREN FACE FOOD INSECURITY. WE LOOK AROUND AT OUR ROADS. WE LOOK AROUND AT, YOU KNOW, OUR UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS, AND THEY NEED -- LIKE, THEY NEED HELP, BUT WE ALSO NEED HELP. I NEED HELP. I NEED Y'ALL TO BE THE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE Y'ALL CLAIM TO BE. PAUSE. DO NOT APPROVE THIS CONTRACT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ABIGAIL LINDSAY. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS ABIGAIL LINDSAY, AND I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE RECORDING AXON. I'M AGAINST THIS FOR MANY REASONS, AND I ASK THE COURT TO MAKE CONCESSIONS, IF YOU MUST MOVE FORWARD. ALL OF YOU ARE AWARE I HAVE BEEN FIGHTING DATA CENTERS SINCE FEBRUARY 200A. SPECIFICALLY CLOUD BURST. WELL, THESE DATA CENTERS LEASE SPACES TO COMPANIES LIKE AXON. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. AXON STORES ALL THIS INFORMATION FROM THEIR EQUIPMENT. SO THEY NEED PLACES TO PUT THIS. CLOUD BURST HAS MADE CLAIMS THAT THEY HAVE AN END USER. COULD THAT BEING AXON? ABSOLUTELY. WILL THEY EVER KNOW? ABSOLUTELY NOT. AND THIS IS THE PART THAT HURTS ME. I PAY TAXES TO HAYS COUNTY. I'M A HAYS COUNTY RESIDENT. SO LITERALLY MY TAX DOLLARS WILL BE GOING TO A COMPANY THAT I'M ACTIVELY FIGHTING AGAINST. THE AMOUNT OF ANGER AND HEARTBREAK I FEEL CANNOT BE EXPRESSED IN THIS SPEECH, BUT WHAT CAN BE DONE TODAY IS TO PUT A CLAUSE IN THE LANGUAGE. HAVE SYMPATHETIC IN THERE ALONG THE LINES THAT ANY FUNDS ALLOCATED WILL BE CONTINGENT POP AN APPROVED CONTRACT -- UPON AN APPROVED CONTRACT BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. IF YOU CAN'T TAKE IT OUT COMPLETELY, PUT SOME CLAUSES IN THERE. THERE'LL BE NEW MEMBERS ON THIS COURT IN A MATTER OF MONTHS. THE STATE WILL GO INTO SESSION JANUARY 2027. THE COURT ONLY -- AND I KNOW LIZ TALKED ABOUT THIS. THE COURT ONLY HAS THE POWER TO ALLOCATE FUNDS. YOU DO NOT HAVE A SAY IN WHAT THE SHERIFF OFFICE'S DOES WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY. THEY ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THEY FOLLOW THEIR OWN POLICIES. LET'S WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS ON A FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL WITH A.I. REGULATIONS. THIS TIME NEXT YEAR, WE CAN ADDRESS THE ISSUE. I'M ASKING FOR MORE TIME AND MORE INFORMATION. ALL OF OUR DATA HAS BEEN COMPROMISED AT SOME POINT. THIS TECHNOLOGY TAKES IT TO A WHOLE NEW LEVEL OF PRIVACY ISSUES. I SUPPORT LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. TAKE THIS MONEY AND APPLY IT TO SALARY ENHANCEMENTS, HIRING OF NEW OFFICERS. I DON'T SUPPORT CAMERAS TRACKING MY EVERY MOVE WHEN I LEAVE MY HOAND AN A.I. BOT KEEPING A LOGF MY ACTIVITIES. I DON'T KNOW WHO WILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT INFORMATION. AND SPEAKING FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, MY INFORMATION HAS NOT BEEN PROTECTED. MY SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER, MY EMAILS, MY ADDRESS, MY SOCIAL MEDIA HAS ALL BEEN COMPROMISED AND LINKED ON THE DARK WEB. IF IT IS ONLINE, IT CAN AND WILL BE HACKED AT SOME POINT, AND THAT IS A FACT OF LIFE. PLEASE, LET'S TAKE MORE TIME AND RESEARCH THIS COMPANY. SEE IF ANY NEW LAWS WILL BE PUT IN PLACE REGARDING A.I. THERE'S NO RUSH. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S NO CONTRACT RIGHT NOW AND THE ALLOCATION OF FUNDS IS THE FIRST STEP, BUT PLEASE ADD SOME SAFEGUARDS IN THE BUDGET SO AS NOT TO TIE YOUR HANDS WITH THE APPROVAL OF A CONTRACT BECAUSE FUNDS HAVE BEEN ISSUED. THERE HAS TON A TO BE A BETTER . PLEASE STAND WITH THE CITY ON THIS ISSUE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> CYNTHIA BENTLEY. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS CYNTHIA BENTLEY. I'M THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF A NON-PROFIT, FAMILY AND FRIENDS. I'VE BEEN HERE A FEW TIMES, BUT I DIDN'T GIVE YOU MY BACKGROUND. NOW I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU MY BACKGROUND TO LET YOU KNOW WHY AND WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IN HAYS COUNTY. I HAVE OVER 40 YEARS EXPERIENCE AT A COMMISSIONER. WE HAVE HAD ABOUT FIVE DIFFERENT NAMES IN THOSE 40 YEARS. I STARTED LOW LEVEL. CLERICAL. AND I'VE BEEN PROMOTED. EACH TIME I GOT A CHANCE TO BE PROMOTED TO A HIGHER AND HIGHER LEVEL, UNTIL I BECAME A SUPERVISOR OF THE UNEMPLOYMENT OFFICE. THEY USED TO CALL IT THE PIT. BUT WHEN I GOT THERE, THE DYNAMICS CHANGED. IT WAS NO LONGER CALLED THE PIT, BECAUSE THE ATTITUDE. FROM BEING A SUPERVISOR, I PROMOTED TO MANAGER. [00:25:02] WHEN I BECAME A MANAGER, I SAID, OH, GREAT, I CAN DO SOME THINGS THAT I KNOW NEED TO BE DONE SO WE STARTED TO GO INTO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS, THE HIGH SCHOOLS, TO TOUCH THOSE CHILDREN BEFORE THEY FINISH HIGH SCHOOL SO THEY CAN KIND OF KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WHEN THEY FINISH HIGH SCHOOL. THEN I GOT ANOTHER PROMOTION AS SUBREGIONAL MANAGER, WHERE I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR EIGHT JOB CENTERS IN THE NEW ORLEANS AREA. AND FROM THERE, I SAID, WOW, I CAN DO EVEN GREATER THINGS. WE SORT OF HAVE A JOINT MILITARY JOB FAIRS. WE STARTED HAVING BUSINESS CONVERSATIONS WITH THE VENDORS TO FIND OUT, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU NEED FOR US TO HELP YOUR ORGANIZATION BE SUCCESSFUL? AND FROM THERE, WHEN I RETIRED IN 2012, I MOVED HERE, AND I SAID, WELL, I'M GOING TO TAKE AND BRING SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE DID IN LOUISIANA HERE TO OUR LOCAL HAYS COUNTY. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID... WE IMPLEMENTED BIKES FOR BOOKS AT VARIOUS ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN HAYS COUNTY. WE PARTICIPATE IN CLOTHES CLOSETS, WORKSHOPS FOR OUR CITIZENS. WE PARTNER WITH SOUTH SIDE COMMUNITY CENTER, HAYS COLWELL WOMEN'S CENTER, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THANKS TO OUR COMMISSIONER, MICHELLE COHEN, WE SHE GOT US CONNECTED WITH A MIDDLE SCHOOL WHERE WE GAVE OUT TENNIS SHOES AND COATS LAST YEAR. CHRISTMAS TOYS. YOU NAME IT. IF SOMEONE CALL AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED FOOD. ... WELL, WE HAVE THE RESOURCES WHERE WE PARTNER WITH HAYS COUNTY FOOD BANK. AND SO MANY OTHER DIFFERENT THINGS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT -- WHEN I WAS A MANAGER, ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES SAID, MS. ( B., YOU'RE NOT TOOTING YOUR OWN HORN. SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY. LIONS' CLUB. JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION. YOU NAME IT. WE ARE DOING SO MANY THINGS AND MAKING AN IMPACT IN HAYS COUNTY. SOY JUST WANTED TO LET Y'ALL KNOW THE THINGS WE'RE DOING HERE SO WHEN WE ASK FOR SUPPORT, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET SOME SUPPORT, AND IN ORDER TO GET THAT BIKES FOR BOOKS READING PROGRAM IN THIS AREA, WE DO NEED FINANCIAL SUPPORT ON THAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> JOHN LEONARD. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGE BECERRA. OR PERHAPS I SHOULD SAY BIG BROTHERS AND BIG SISTERS OF COMMISSIONERS COURT. MY NAME IS JOHN LEONARD, BUT MANY OF MY FRIENDS CALL ME WINSTON SMITH. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DO THE SAME. I LOOK AT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE LIKE THIS. F IT'S ARTIFICIAL, IT AIN'T INTELLIGENCE. AND IF IT'S ACTUAL INTELLIGENCE, IT AIN'T ARTIFICIAL. IT'S EITHER ONE OR THE OTHER, BUT IT AIN'T BOTH. DESPITE WHAT THE SALES STAFF AT AXON MAY HAVE CONVINCED THE SHERIFF 'S OFFICE, AND THROUGH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THIS CORPORATE AS SCOURT. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE COURT HAS ALREADY COMMITTED TO A TEN-YEAR CONTRACT WITH AXON TO SUPPORT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE PRODUCTS AND SERVICES TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE FIRST PAYMENT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RUSH. OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, KEY PLAYERS IN THE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY HAVE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT A.I., AS IT'S BEING CALLED, AVOIDING THE OBVIOUS OXYMORON OF THE PHRASE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, IS NOT QUITE READY FOR PRIME TIME, AND I'M SURE EACH OF YOU ON THE DIS AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAVE BEEN READING THE SAME ARTICLES THAT I HAVE. THAT'S A REASON MOST A.I. OUTPUT IS CALLED SLOP. NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RECREATION AT DRUG EXPERIENCE IS, IF ANY MEMBERS OF THIS COURT MAY HAVE HAD WHEN THEY WERE YOUNGER. BUT I CAN SPEAK ABOUT MY OWN. NOW THAT THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS HAS LONG AGO EXPIRED. AND I CAN SAY THIS: ASKING ME TO DO ANYTHING REQUIRING MORE LOGIC THAN ADDING 1 PLUS 1 DURING THOSE BRIEF PERIODS OF HALLUCINOGENIC ACTIVITY WAS REALLY PUSHING IT. BUT HERE WE ARE: ABOUT TO DROP A BUNDLE ON QUESTIONABLE TECHNOLOGY UPGRADES; UPGRADES INVOLVING LAW ENFORCEMENT FUNCTIONS AND THE RESULTING ISSUES OF INNOCENCE AND GUILT AND FREEDOM AND INCARCERATION, AS WELL AS RECORD-KEEPING FUNCTIONS INVOLVING THE CREATION AND MANAGEMENT OF THE OFFICIAL MINUTES OF THIS COURT, WHERE INTEGRITY CANNOT BE COMPROMISED. IF YOU CAN'T HEAR THE ALARM BELLS RINGING LOUD AND CLEAR, [00:30:02] PERHAPS YOU'RE SIMPLY NOT LISTENING. THE LAST THING WE NEED IS SKETCHY TECHNOLOGY SYSTEMSREPLA, IMAGINATION, ADAPTABILITY, INTUITION, SENSORY UNDERSTANDING, SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, EMPATHY, AND ETHICAL GUARDRAILS OF HUMAN REASONING. I SAY "NO" TO THE USE OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE BY ANY ELEMENT OF THE HAYS COUNTY GOVERNMENT, AND I ASK YOU TO DO THE SAME. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> SAUNDERS DRUCKER. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS SAUNDERS DRUCKER. I'M ALSO GOING TO BE SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THE USE OF AXON CAMERAS IN HAYS COUNTY. I TAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT, FOR MOST THINGS, A SYSTEM IS WHAT IT DOES. NOT WHAT IT TRIES AND FAILS TO DO. JUST LOOKING AT FLOCK SPECIFICALLY, WE CAN TAKE PFLUGERVILLE AS AN EXAMPLE. PFLUGERVILLE JUST CANCELED THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH FROCK, AND I DON'T LIKE AXON ANYMORE, AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND. IN PFLUGERVILLE, THEY FOUND 400 TIMES THAT THEIR DATABASE FOR FLOCK HAD BEEN ACCESSED. 83 OF THOSE WERE AUTHORIZED, WHICH MEANS THAT ALL OF THE RESS OUT OF THAT RATIO -- WAS NOT. IT ENABLED UNAUTHORIZED VIEWING OF THE PEOPLE. NOW, LIKE I SAID, AXON ISN'T ANY BETTER FLOCK. IF YOU THINK IT IS, ASK YOURSELF WHY? A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, THERE WAS A BIG PUSH INTO, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENTS ACROSS CITIES AND COUNTIES SAYING THAT FLOCK IS GONNA SAVE YOU. FLOCK IS GONNA SAVE YOU. NOW, KNOCK IS THE BAD GUY, AND EVERYBODY'S SCARED OF IT AND NOW THERE'S A NEW ONE COMING IN SAYING, OH, AXON... WE'RE ACTUALLY THE GOOD GUY. BUT WHY? DO YOU ACTUALLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT? OTHER THAN IT JUST HAS A DIFFERENT FOUR-LETTER WORD FOR ITS NAME? NO. I'D ALSO LIKE TO PUSH SOMETHING ELSE: THESE CAMERAS, AS IN A.I.-MODIFIED CAMERA, ANY VIDEO THAT THEY TAKE IS RUN THROUGH THEIR A.I. SCREENING. THEREFORE, ANY VIDEO THAT YOU TAKE OUT OF IT AND TRY AND PUT THROUGH, LIKE, SOME SORT OF TRUTH-FINDER, LIKE, IS THIS A.I., YADA, YADA, YADA? ALL OF THEM INHERENTLY SAY "YES," BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN RUN THROUGH THAT FILTER. THE TECHNOLOGY FOR THE CAMERAS, WITHIN THE BOX ITSELF, CONTAINS THE COMPUTING POWER TO EDIT THOSE IMAGES. THIS IS A FUNCTION OF WHAT THEY ARE. IN ORDER TO HAVE THOSE SORTS OF, LIKE, LLMS RUNNING INSIDE OF THEM, THE SAME LITTLE CHATGPT OR GROK OR WHATEVER THAT IS USED TO FREQUENTLY MAKE A NEW PICTURE, TO TAKE SOMETHING OUT OF A PICTURE; INSIDE OF THOSE CAMERAS. SO SOMEONE WITH, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT GREAT HACKING ABILITY OR, YOU KNOW, A GOVERNMENT AGENCY LIKE THIS, CAN CHANGE VIDEOS IN THE CAMERA ITSELF. SO THAT WAY, WHEN IT'S PULLED AS EVIDENCE, THERE'S NO WAY TO TELL THAT IT'S BEEN MODIFIED. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS HAS BEEN DONE OR THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS CONSTANTLY, BUT THESE CAMERAS CONTAIN THAT CAPABILITY, AND IT'S JUST GOING TO LEAD US FURTHER DOWN THIS PATH THAT WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING AS A SOCIETY, WHICH IS WHAT IS TRUTH? YOU KNOW. WHAT IS REAL? IF WE LOOK AT A CAMERA THAT RECORDED ME IN A STORE, DID I ACTUALLY TAKE THAT CANDY BAR OR DID SOMEBODY JUST MAKE MY ARM GO LIKE THAT RIGHT THEN? THE ONLY WAY FOR US TO PUSH BACK AGAINST THIS IS TO RE-TAKE HUMAN ACCOUNTABILITY, AND IT IS NOT IT. THANK Y'ALL. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> LUCY TRAYNOR. >> HI. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. AND I WANT TO JUST COME AT THIS FROM A -- FROM KIND OF A MORE OF A LEGAL STANDPOINT. MY CONCERN IS MORE ABOUT FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTIONS, PEACEFUL ASSEMBLY, POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS ACTIVITY. DOES HAYS COUNTY HAVE A WRITTEN POLICY REGARDING JUST PROHIBITING THESE A.I. SEARCHES DESIGNED SIMPLY TO IDENTIFY OR TRACK PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY PARTICIPATED IN LAWFUL PROTESTS, POLITICAL ACTIVITY, RELIGIOUS ACTIVITY OR OTHER CONSTITUTIONALLY-PROTECTED BEHAVIOR? SECOND, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN AXON ANALYZES THIS IN LIGHT OF PRIVATE OR THIRD-PARTY VIDEOS? SUCH AS THINGS LIKE APARTMENT CAMERAS, BUSINESS SURVEILLANCE. LIKE AT HOME DEPOT. SCHOOL CAMERAS. RING CAMERAS. THIRD, IF AXON OR RELATED SYSTEMS LIKE FLOCK CAN HAVE THAT HISTORICAL VEHICLE LOCATION INFORMATION, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IN THE AGGREGATE AS A WHOLE? AND HOW IS LAW ENFORCEMENT [00:35:01] PUTTING GUARDRAILS WITHIN THAT KIND OF FRAMEWORK? JUST LIKE JOHN WAS SAYING: WHAT HAPPENS IF A.I. GETS SOMETHING WRONG? AND, ULTIMATELY, IN TERMS OF PROSECUTION, IS THE COUNTY GOING TO PRESERVE SUFFICIENT AUDIT EVIDENCE, AUDIT LOGS, SEARCH INFORMATION, UNDERLYING VIDEOS, A.I. RESULTS, WHICH A.I. CAN GET A LOT OF THIS STUFF WRONG. SYSTEM INFORMATION THAT THE COURTS CAN HAVE, THAT THESE DEFENDANTS CAN HAVE? I MEAN, ULTIMATELY, THE CENTRAL QUESTION WITH THIS IS WHAT LIMITATIONS PRESENTS HAYS COUNTY FROM TAKING LAWFULLY-COLLECTED VIDEO OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SUSPECTED OF CRIMES AND USING A.I. TO THEN RETROSPECTIVELY IDENTIFY CATEGORIES, TRACK, AND BRING ASSOCIATIONS TO ALL THESE PEOPLE? I WILL TELL Y'ALL I'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE LEGISLATURE. I KNOW SENATORS WHO ARE REALLY PLANNING ON COMING BACK TO THIS SUBJECT BECAUSE SO MANY OF OUR COUNTIES AND CITIES HAVE DECIDED TO DROP THESE CONTRACTS. PEOPLE ARE REALLY UPSET ABOUT THIS. IT'S REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ALIKE. WE ARE VERY UPSET ABOUT THIS KIND OF GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE THAT HAS -- THAT IS BEING ALLOWED BY OUR OWN MONEY. LIKE, WE'RE USING OUR OWN MONEY TO WATCH ALL THESE LITTLE THINGS THAT, AGAIN, IN THE AGGREGATE CAN BECOME -- THERE'S LOTS OF CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTIONS. AND RIGHT NOW, THERE'S -- WHAT'S THE WRITTEN POLICY ON THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE SAFEGUARDS ARE PUT UP FROM A CONSTITUTIONAL STANDPOINT? THE LEGISLATURE WILL COME BACK TO THIS. THEY WILL COME BACK TO THIS THIS SESSION. SO MY QUESTION -- MY ASK IS JUST TO PUT A HOLD. PUT A HOLD ON THIS CONTRACT. DON'T -- LET'S NOT -- AND WHILE THE LEGISLATURE IS IN SESSION, IF YOU STILL WANT TO GO FORWARD, PUT SOME STATUTORY WORDING ON THIS THAT PROTECTS CITIZENS. I'M A CATHOLIC. I MEAN... THE FBI WAS GOING THROUGH, LIKE -- DID SOME KIND OF SEARCH ON TRADITIONAL CATHOLICS JUST A FEW YEARS BACK. THE LATIN MASS COMMUNITY. THERE'S NO GOOD REASON FOR THAT. WE'RE NOT TERRORISTS. LIKE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAS TO KEEP IN MIND. SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. >> AS A FELLOW CATHOLIC, THANK YOU. >> YES, OF COURSE. THANKS, SIR. >> I'M JUST KIDDING. YOU WERE WONDERFUL. I'M JUST MAKING LIGHT OF IT, BUT IT'S TIME TO END. THANK YOU SO MUCH, YOUR MESSAGE WAS WONDERFUL. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THAT. >> AND FIZA, TOO. YOU REMEMBER THAT AND HOW MANY PEOPLE GOT SPIED ON THROUGH THE COURTS, THAT IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE THREE EMAILED. >> LET'S GO FOR IT. >> THIS COMES FROM JENNIFER MOORE. SHE WRITES "I WANT TO SHARE I'M LEAVING MY POSITION WITH THE HAYS COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE. THIS WAS NOT AN EASY DECISION, AS I ENJOYED MY JOB AND MY CO-WORKERS. HOWEVER, THE COMPENSATION IS LOW COMPARED TO THE COST OF LIVING. I MADE THE DECISION TO MOVE FOR MORE COMPENSATION FOR MY FAMILY, AND I HOPE HAYS COUNTY WILL INCREASE THE PAY FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE WHO HAVE STORED ME AT HAYS COUNTY." NEXT ONE IS FROM CORY THORNTON IN KILE, TEXAS. HE WRITES "GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS CORY THORNTON, AND I'M A PROUD HAYS COUNTY RESIDENT, A GRADUATE OF SAN MARKUS MY SCHOOL. A GRADUATE OF TEXAS STATE AND A HAYS COUNTY EMPLOYEE. I SHARE THAT TO EMPHASIZE THAT I HAVE SPENT MY ENTIRE LIFE IN THIS COUNTY AND I WILL CONTINUE DEDICATING MYSELF TO SERVING THE PEOPLE OF HARASS. OF HAYS COUNTY.IN MY TWO YEARS , I HAVE WATCHED EMPLOYEES COME AND GO WITH AN ALARMING REGULARITY. UNFORTUNATELY, WITH OUR CURRENT PAY SCALE, WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT BRAIN DRAIN. WE HIRE TALENTED PEOPLE, INVEST TIME AND RESOURCES INTO TRAINING THEM, AND THEN THEY LEAVE FOR NEIGHBORING COUNTIES THAT ARE WILLING TO PAY THEM WHAT THEY ARE WORTH. I WILL ADMIT THAT MY DEGREE IS NOT IN MATHEMATICS. HOWEVER, I DO UNDERSTAND A SIMPLE REALITY: IT IS FAR MORE EXPENSIVE TO RECRUIT, HIRE, AND TRAIN NEW EMPLOYEES THAN IT IS TO RETAIN EXPERIENCED ONES. EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING RESPONSIBLE STEWARDS AND TAXPAYER -- OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS. EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE DESIRE TO AVOID UNNECESSARY SPENDING AND TAX INCREASES. HOWEVER, FAILING TO PROVIDE COUNTY EMPLOYEES WITH A LIVABLE AND COMPETITIVE WAGE MAY BE ULTIMATELY COSTING THE COUNTY MORE THAN MAKING THIS INVESTMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE. I ALSO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT HAYS COUNTY WEBSITE STATES THAT OUR MISSION AS A COUNTY IS TO PROVIDE AND IMPROVE SERVICES TO RESIDENTS THAT IMPACT THEIR HEALTH, SAFETY, AND QUALITY OF LIFE. BUT JUST AS A HOUSE WITHOUT A FOUNDATION CAN NEVER BE STEADY, THAT MISSION CANNOT BE ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT FIRST PROVIDING FOR AND IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE EMPLOYEES WHO COME TO WORK EVERY DAY TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE. SO ONCE AGAIN, I URGE YOU TO ADOPT HAYS COUNTY FULL PROPOSED [00:40:04] INCREASE ACROSS THE PAY TABLE. NOT BECAUSE COUNTY EMPLOYEES ARE ASKING FOR EXTRA FRIVOLOUS MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS, BUT BECAUSE THEY DESERVE WAGES THAT ALLOW THEM TO THRIVE, GROW, AND CONTINUE SERVING A COUNTY THAT ITSELF IS DOING THOSE SAME THINGS OFF IN THEIR LABOR. THANK YOU. CORY." NEXT ONE IS FROM ANITA ANGLE. SHE WRITES: "IN LIGHT OF THE GROWTH IN THIS AREA AND THE POVERTY OF OVER 50% OF OUR RESIDENTS, PLEASE RE-EVALUATE THE BUDGET TO ASSURE THAT SOCIAL SERVICES ARE SUFFICIENT FOR SERVING OUR CITIZENS. ADDITIONALLY, I'M ASKING THE COURT TO SLOW DOWN ON APPROVAL OF ANY FUNDS FOR A.I. SURVEILLANCE TOOLS. WHILE THIS EMERGING TECHNOLOGY SEEMS HELPFUL ON THE OUTSET, IT IS NOT BY ANY MEANS SAFE TO USE ON OUR CITIZENS AND DURING THIS HORRIBLE TIME IN OUR NATION'S HISTORY. PLEASE RETHINK YOUR SUPPORT FOR THESE IMPORTANT ITEMS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME." THAT'S IT. >> OKAY. PERFECT, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR OUR COMMENTS. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THEM ALL. [F.1. Adopt a Proclamation recognizing the week of September 17th - 23rd, 2026 as Constitution Week. BECERRA] AND NOW OPEN F-1. >> F-1. ADOPT A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING THE WEEK OF SEPTEMBER 17 THROUGH THE 23RD 2026 AS CONSTITUTION WEEK. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> IF YOU'LL PLEASE READ IT. >> WHEREAS THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE GUARDIAN OF OUR LIBERTIES, EMBODIES THE PRINCIPLES OF LIMITED GOVERNMENT IN A REPUBLIC DEDICATED TO RULE BY LAW; AND WHEREAS SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2026 MARKS THE 239TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE FRAMING OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BY THE CONSTITUTIONAL INVENTION -- CONVENTION; AND WHEREAS IT IS FITTING AND PROPER TO ACCORD RECOGNITION TO THIS MAGNIFICENT DOCUMENT IN ITS MEMORABLE ANNIVERSARY AND TO THE PATRIOT RICK CELEBRATIONS WHICH WILL COMMEMORATE IT; WHEREAS PUBLIC LAW 915 GUARANTEES THE ISSUING OF A PROCLAMATION EACH YEAR BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA DESIGNATING SEPTEMBEE 23RD AS CONSTITUTION WEEK. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAYS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' COURT DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH THE 23RD AS CONSTITUTION WEEK AND ASKS OUR CITIZENS TO REAFFIRM THE IDEAS THE FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION HAD IN 1787 BY VIGILANTLY PROTECTING THE FREEDOMS GUARANTEED TO US THROUGH THIS GUARDIAN OF OUR LIBERTIES. ADOPTED THIS DAY OF SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2026. >> BEAUTIFULLY-WRITTEN. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. AND YES. AND WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IF YOU'LL PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM. >> FIRST, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, ALL OF YOU ARE HERE TODAY. I KNOW THAT YOU GET PAID SOME, BUT YOUR LIFE IS DEDICATED TO THIS, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. CONSTITUTION WEEK IS CELEBRATED FROM SEPTEMBER 17TH TO THE 23RD. WE CELEBRATE THE DOCUMENT THAT ESTABLISHES OUR GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE AND PROTECTS OUR FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS. AS WE CELEBRATE OUR NATION'S 250TH ANNIVERSARY THIS YEAR, THE CONSTITUTION IS THE BEDROCK OF OUR 250-YEAR EXPERIMENT IN SELF-GOVERNANCE. AND IT IS WORTH CELEBRATING. THANK YOU, JUDGE BECERRA, AND THE COMMISSIONERS' COURT FOR RECOGNIZING THIS WEEK WITH A PROCLAMATION. TO ALL HAYS COUNTY RESIDENTS, JACOBS WELL CHAPTER DAR WILL BE IN SCHOOLS AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY RINGING BELLS ON SEPTEMBER 17TH, THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE CONSTITUTION'S SIGNING, AND HIGHLIGHTING THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR CONSTITUTION IN OUR COUNTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> WONDERFULLY DONE. COMMISSIONERS, ANY COMMENTS? >> JANINE, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT, AND, YOU KNOW, TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS DOCUMENT, SO... THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND REPRESENTING -- >> ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE YOU. >> THANK YOU, AND IT'S CUSTOMARY TO TAKE A PICTURE. FOR ALL OF YOU THAT WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS PICTURE, COME ON UP. >> 1, 2, 3... [00:45:29] THANK YOU. >> PLEASE OPEN F-2. [F.2. Adopt a Proclamation recognizing September 20th -26th, 2026 as National CERT week in Hays County. BECERRA] >> ADOPT A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING SEPTEMBER 20TH THROUGH THE 26TH, 2026 AS NATIONAL CERT WEEK IN HAYS COUNTY. >> SO MOVED. >> SECONDED. >> PLEASE READ IT. >> WHEREAS CERT WAS ORIGINALLY INTRODUCED TO HAYS COUNTY IN FEBRUARY 2003 AND CAME UNDER THE AUSPICES OF HAYS COUNTY OF EMERGENCY SERVICES IN 2014; WHEREAS THE HAYS COUNTY CERT HAS MORE THAN 400 MEMBERS AND CONTINUES TO GROW; WHEREAS HAYS COUNTY HAS EXPERIENCED SEVERAL EMERGENCIES REQUIRING SUPPORT OF THE HAYS COUNTY CERT. THIS YEAR'S THEME IS CARRYING THE TORCH 40 YEARS AND BEYOND, WHICH COMMEMORATE'S CERT'S LONG HISTORY; WHEREAS THE ANNUAL NATIONAL CERT WEEK IS A CHANCE TO MEET AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE AND SURVIVE AND RECOVER FROM A MAJOR EVENT; AND WHEREAS HAYS COUNTY CERT IS ESTABLISHED AS AN ORGANIZATION THAT HELPS CREATE A MORE RESILIENT EMERGENCY SURGERIES AND WHEREBY AS HAYS COUNTY CERT PROVIDES FREE TRAINING TO THE PUBLIC AND OFFERING FREE INFORMATION AND TRAINING SESSIONS "AND WHEREAS SPECIAL EVENTS HAVE FREQUENT NEED FOR ASSISTANCE IN THE AREAS OF MASS CARE, FIRST AID, SHELTERING, TRAFFIC CONTROL AND VIGILANT COMMUNITY MEMBERS; WHEREAS THE HAYS COUNTY COMMUNITY EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM, CERT, IS COMPRISED OF ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY OF VOLUNTEERS FROM OUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES WITH SPECIFIC TRAINING IN FIRST AID, MASS CARE, AND SHELTERING, TRAFFIC, FIRST RESPONDER REHAB AND CROWD MANAGEMENT; WHEREAS CERT'S SERVICE INCLUDES INVOLVEMENT WITH THE DRIPPIG SPRINGS FOUNDERS DAY, SIGHTS AND SOUNDS OF CHRISTMAS, WEINER DOG RACES, WEMBLEY MARKET DAYS, VETERANS' PARADES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, HEALTH FAIRS, BENEFIT RUNS, JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION, COMMUNITY PARADES, NUMEROUS WILDFIRE, WINTER STORMS, PANDEMICS, AND THE ANNUAL HAYS COUNTY EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS FAIR; THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAYS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' COURT RECOGNIZES SEPTEMBER 20TH THROUGH THE 26TH, 2026 AS NATIONAL CERT WEEK IN HAYS COUNTY AND EXPRESSES ITZHAK KNOWLEDGEMENT AND APPRECIATION OF THE EFFORT OF OUR COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERS TO THE REGULAR FUNCTION AND CONTINUED ASSISTANCE OF THE CERT. ADOPTED THIS 15TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER 2026. >> ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE: THIS -- WHAT YOU READ, IS THAT WHAT'S IN THE BACKUP? I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT, BECAUSE I HAD A COUPLE OF CHALLENGES WITH -- I HAD A COUPLE OF CHANGES TO THE ONE THAT WAS IN BACKUP. JUST SOME TYPOS AND SUCH. >> WE CAN READ IT AGAIN. >> NO, DON'T RE-READ IT. WHAT PART DID YOU WANT TO GO OVER? >> THE LAST PARAGRAPH. THE LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS. >> IT'S THE SAME. >> IT'S THE SAME? OKAY. THE PARAGRAPH JUST BEFORE THAT: ALSO, IF NOBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH IT, IT OUR CERT TEAMS HAVE DONE AN AMAZING JOBS THE LAST TWO YEARS IN HELPING OUR ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE AND SAY "THANK YOU" FOR THE HELP AND ASSISTANCE THAT WAS PROVIDED AT RANCH PARK AND OTHER POLLING LOCATIONS. I MIGHT WANT TO ADD A COUPLE OF WORDS IN THERE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THEIR ASSISTANCE FOR ELECTIONS. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO NO PUNCTUATION AT THE END OF THAT PARAGRAPH. SO MAYBE A PERIOD OR A -- ACTUALLY, I THINK A SEMICOLON. >> SO THERE'S A PERIOD MISSING, AND YOU WERE ASKING TO ADD THANKS FOR SUPPORTING ELECTIONS. >> CORRECT. >> THE LIST OF THINGS THAT CERT DOES IS SO ROBUST, IT COULD BE A PHONE BOOK. [00:50:02] >> I AGREE. I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. THEY'VE SHOWN UP AT ALMOST EVERY POLLING LOCATION. >> WE SHOW UP TO EVERYTHING. THEY ARE AMAZING. SO HE'S ASKING TO ADD THAT TO IT. ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT? WE WON'T BE ABLE TO SIGN THAT. WE'LL HAVE TO RUN A NEW ONE. ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? ANYONE ELSE? >> THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT Y'ALL DO. VERY APPRECIATED. SORRY, MY VOICE IS... THANKS. >> AND PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> RESOUNDINGLY "YES." WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? MIKE? >> MIKE JONES. EMERGENCY SERVICES DIRECTOR. I WANT TO SAY A FEW THINGS. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP, COMMISSIONER SMITH. WE HAVE 400 CERT MEMBERS, AS EXPLAINED IN THAT PROCLAMATION. THE BEGINNINGS OF THIS CERT WAS WEMBLEY VALLEY CERT AND IT TURNED INTO THE HAYS COUNTY CERT BECAUSE OF THE NEED FOR AN ORGANIZATION THAT COME TO THE NEEDS OF OTHERS, WHETHER IT BE FIRST RESPONDERS AND CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS. WE HAVE A VERY TALENTED AND HIGHLY GROUP OF EDUCATED PEOPLE IN THIS CERT TEAM. EDITORS FROM NEWSPAPERS. I.T. FINANCE SECTORS. ATTORNEYS. PASTORS. PHYSICIANINGS. PHYSICIANS.WEST POINT. HECK, WE O EVEN HAVE OUR OWN ANNAPOLIS SUBMARINE OPERATOR. >> TEN ANY LONEY IS THE PROGRAM MANAGER, DIRECTOR, AND ALSO CASE CASEY LEE, WHO JUST CAME ONBOARD. I'D LIKE TO BRING THOSE TWO UP HHERE. >> ABSOLUTELY. COME ACOME ON UP TO THE PODIUM. >> GOOD MORNING. THIS PAST WEEKEND WAS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT OUR TEAM IS CAPABLE OF AND WHAT THEY DO. WE CELEBRATED OUR PREPAREDNESS FAIR, AS YOU ALL KNOW, ON SATURDAY. THE ENTIRE DAY BEFORE THAT, WE SPENT IN PREPARATION. WE HAD OVER 80 VOLUNTEERS BETWEEN THOSE TWO DAYS. PRIOR TO THAT, ON FRIDAY MORNING, BEFORE COMING UP -- OUT TO SET UP, THEY WERE AT THE 911 MEMORIAL SUPPORTING OUR FIRST RESPONDERS WITH REHAB. THEY WERE IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THAT WITH GOING TO SUPPORT VETS AT THE MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR FIRST AID, AND THEN LET'S GO BACK ONE MORE DAY. ON THURSDAY, THE ENTIRE AFTERNOON AND EVENING, THEY WERE OUT WITH THE WILDFIRE IN WE MMBERLY. AND THEY WERE STILL THERE. I CAN'T THANK THEM ENOUGH. >> OUR CERT TEAM ARE FIRST AND FOREMOST FORCE MULTIPLIERS FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. AND WE GET NUMEROUS COMMENTS FROM OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT SAYING HOW THEY COULD NOT DO THEIR JOB WITHOUT OUR CERT MEMBERS, AND AS WAS MENTIONED, THERE ARE 400 CERT MEMBERS ACROSS THE COUNTY. THEY ARE -- WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MYSELF AND CANDY, THEY ARE ALL VOLUNTEERS. THEY DO THIS BECAUSE THEY CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, AND WE THANK THEM HEAVILY. WE CANNOT THANK THEM ENOUGH. >> WELL SAID. >> WE DO HAVE TRAINING COMING UP IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT, BECAUSE IT IS OPEN TO ALL OF THE PUBLIC. >> RECRUIT! GOOD JOB. GOOD JOB. OKAY. SO WE COULD TAKE THIS PICTURE NOW FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM. WE'VE ALREADY CALLED THE ROLL, DID WE NOT? SO LET'S COME ON UP FOR A PICTURE. [00:55:14] >> LOOKING RIGHT HERE. 1, 2. 3. 1, 2, 3. >> THANK YOU. ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT SIGNED... SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU GUYS. >> OKAY. >> F-3. [F.3. Adopt a Proclamation recognizing the third Tuesday of September 2026 as National IT Professionals Day. INGALSBE/ULIBARRI] ADOPT A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING THE THIRD TUESDAY OF SEPTEMBER 2026 AS NATIONAL I.T. PROFESSIONALS DAY. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. IF YOU'LL READ IT. >> WHEREAS INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY PROFESSIONALS PLAY A VITAL ROLE IN SUPPORTING THE OPERATIONS, SERVICES, AND INFRASTRUCTURE OF OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND COMMUNITY; WHEREAS I.T. PROFESSIONALS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING RELIABLE TECHNOLOGY SYSTEMS, PROTECTING SENSITIVE INFORMATION, SUPPORTING CYBER SECURITY, ENABLING DIGITAL SERVICES AND HELPING THE ORGANIZATIONS ADOPT TO AN INCREASINGLY TECHNOLOGY-DRIVEN WORLD; WHEREAS I.T. PROFESSIONALS CONTRIBUTE TO THE CONTINUED IMPROVEMENT OF GOVERNMENT SERVICES THROUGH INNOVATION, DIGITAL TRANSFORMATION, CYBER SECURITY, DATA MANAGEMENT, TECHNICAL SUPPORT, AND THE RESPONSIBLE IMPLEMENTATION OF EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES; WHEREAS IN AN INCREASINGLY CONNETED WORLD, A SECURE AND RESILIENT TECHNOLOGY INFRASTRUCTURE IS ESSENTIAL TO THE CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS, EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, PUBLIC SAFETY, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND EFFECTIVE SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY; WHEREAS NATIONAL I.T. PROFESSIONALS DAY PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO KEEP OUR TECHNOLOGY FUNCTIONING, OUR INFORMATION PROTECTED, OUR SERVICES ACCESSIBLE, AND OUR COMMUNITY CONNECTED. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAYS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' COURT DOES HERE PROCLAIM ANNUALLY THE THIRD TUESDAY OF SEPTEMBER AS NATIONAL I.T. PROFESSIONALS DAY. ADOPTED THIS 15TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER 2026. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? COMMISSIONER SMITH? NO. SO THAT'S -- "ACTUALLY." KNEW CAUGHT THAT. WITHARE WE PUTTING THAT IN PERPETUITY? I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. I JUST WANTED YOU TO NOTE IT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE NORM. CALL PLEASE THE ROLL. ON THIS ONE? NO PROBLEM. TAKE YOUR TIME. COME ON OVER. STATE YOUR NAME AND TITLE FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, JUDGE. CHRIS LEVY. I.T. DIRECTOR FOR HAYS COUNTY. I JUST WANT TO SHOW SOME APPRECIATION FOR THE STAFF. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LIKE TO SAY IS THAT A LOT OF TIMES, YOU DON'T RECOGNIZE THE WORK THAT THEY DO. YOU OPEN UP YOUR EMAIL... YOU GET IT. YOU MAKE A PHONE CALL. SOMEBODY ANSWERS. YOU GET ON THE INTERNET. YOU HAVE ACCESS. AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE PAID TO DO, AND OUR JOB IT SUPPORT THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE DO IT AT THE BEST LEVEL WE POSSIBLY CAN. OUR GOAL IS TO CONTINUE GROWING AND BECOME THE BEST I.T. DEPARTMENT NOT JUST IN THE COUNTY BUT THE STATE OF TEXAS AND THE WORLD. SO THANK YOU FOR APPRECIATE YOU. >> AND YOU ARE! >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? >> I WANT TO THANK CHRIS AND THE ENTIRE TEAM. WE HAVE AN AWESOME TEAM THAT DOES SO MUCH FOR ON COWER TY. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVEN REALIZE THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WE DO ON A DAILY BASIS, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF LATE PHONE CALLS, A LOT OF WEEKEND CALL-OUTS, AND I JUST -- YOU KNOW, REALLY WANT T SAY "THANK YOU" AND APPRECIATE EVERY ONE OF YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> AND I JUST WANT TO ECHO COMMISSIONER INNINGALS BEE'S COMMENTS. I KNOW Y'ALL ARE TIGHT AROUND ELECTION SEASON. IT'S A JOB THAT NOBODY KNOWS, YOU KNOW, WHAT GOES ON BEHIND THE SCENES UNTIL -- YOU'RE RIGHT, UNTIL THEY CAN'T LOG ON TO SOMETHING OR PASSWORD DOESN'T WORK OR ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE TAKE FOR GRANTED, I THINK SO, ON A DAILY BASIS. BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO BEHIND THE SCENES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER? >> YEAH, I FEEL LIKE YOU DON'T GET A LOT OF, THANKS FOR LETTING ME EMAIL WORK TODAY. YOU GET A LOT OF, HEY, EVERYTHING IS ON FIRE AND I NEED YOU TO FIX IT ASAP. SO I THINK IT'S SOMETIMES A THANKLESS JOB, BUT WE APPRECIATE IT AND IT'S EXTREMELY NEEDED AND [01:00:03] HE HAVE SINGLE THING THIS Y'ALL DO, IT MEANS THE WORLD TO ALL OF US. THANK YOU. >> I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, MUCH TO WHAT MY COLLEAGUES SAID. YOU NEVER NEED A FIREMAN UNTIL YOUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE. YOU NEVER NEED A POLICEMAN UNTIL YOU GET ROBBED. EVERY EMPLOYEE IN OUR COUNTY, WHETHER IT'S OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, DOING A CALL-OUT OR WHETHER IT'S OUR ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT DURING AN ELECTION, TO FUNCTIONALLY OPERATE, IT TAKES Y'ALL, AND I DON'T THINK THAT Y'ALL GET THAT PAT ON THE BACK ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING TO RECOGNIZE THAT, BUT JUST KNOW YOU'RE APPRECIATED. I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY THIS -- THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME -- IS THIS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE RECOGNIZED THIS WEEK? I THINK IT MAY BE. >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE EVER DONE IT. AND I'M SORRY FOR THAT. THIS IS MY LAST TIME BEING HERE FOR IT, SO... BUT I CERTAINLY DO HOPE THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO THIS IN THE FUTURE, AND EVEN THOUGH HE'S NOT HERE, I'D HATE TO FORGET TO GIVE A SHOUT-OUT TO JEFF MCGILL FOR HIS LEADERSHIP OF THAT ORGANIZATION FOR SO LONG AND ALL THE THINGS THAT HE'S DONE FOR OUR COUNTY SO. >> AND IN THE SPIRIT OF TECHNOLOGY "COPY/PASTE." COME ON UP. THANK YOU GUYS. POSITION YOURSELF. EVERYBODY TURN SIDEWAYS. THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO. >> SERVE. LOOKING RIGHT HERE. 1, 2, 3... 1, 2, 3... >> THERE YOU GO! WE'LL GIVE IT TO YOU. THANK YOU, GUYS. THANK YOU. >> GOOD JOB. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> PLEASE OPEN F-4. [F.4. Presentation by the Hays County Office of Emergency Services to include a recap of the 2026 Preparedness Fair and to announce the winning department for the best overall basket in the employee raffle basket contest. BECERRA/M.JONES ] >> PRESENTATION BY THE HAYS COUNTY OFFICE OF EMERGENCY SERVICES TO INCLUDE A RECAP OF THE 2026 PREPAREDNESS FAIR AND TO ANNOUNCE THE WINNING DEPARTMENT FOR THE BEST OVERALL BASKET IN THE EMPLOYEE RAFFLE BASKET CONTEST. >> ALL RIGHT. MIKE...? ALL YOURS. >> MIKE JONES. EMERGENCY SERVICES DIRECTOR. WE HAD QUITE THE FAIR. I'D LIKE TO THROW -- OH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'D LIKE TO THANK THE ACADEMY. ANYWAY... WHEREWE WERE. WE STARTED IN THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTRE YEARS AGO, NINE YEARS AGO, AND JUST THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTRE ONLY, AND WE'VE GROWN TO THIS BIG, MASSIVE FOOTPRINT OUT THERE IN A PARK IN KYLE, AND THANK YOU TO KYLE FOR ALLOWING US TO HAVE THAT PARK WITHOUT PERMIT FEES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. AS WELL AS A SPECIAL CONSIDERATION TO OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE WHEN THE KYLE'S BUCKET FAILED, OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT CAME THROUGH WITH ANOTHER BUCKET. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE THAT. JESSE AND YOUR TEAM. AND NOT ONLY DID THEY COME OUT AND PUT IT UP. THEY CAME AND TOOK IT DOWN. AND THAT WAS, FUN. TOO, ANYWAY... THE SPONSORS THAT WE BROUGHT IN FOR THIS. THERE'S GREAT COMMUNITY LOVE HERE, OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T HAVE THESE KIND OF SPONSORS. SEATON DALE CHILDREN. THEN THEY CAN COMMUNICATION CARE WAS OUR MUSIC PARTNER. THAT'S WHY WE HAD MUSIC. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE TOP DOG [01:05:02] CHILI SPONSOR. OUR PREPAREDNESS SPONSOR WAS MISSION GOLF CARTS. WE COULDN'T HAVE DONE ANYTHING WITHOUT MISSION GOLF CARTS. THEY WERE TREMENDOUS THERE, AND OUR MUSIC WAS POSSIBLE THANKS TO NO MAN MUSIC. AND I THANK THEM, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE PAID THEM, WE GAVE US A TREMENDOUS DISCOUNT. WE GAVE US THE FRIENDS AND FAMILY DISCOUNT, I MIGHT ADD. AQUA PROVIDED QUARTER. ICE CAME FROM THE LIONS CLUB. THERE YOU ARE, JUDGE. AND THEN, OF COURSE, GO BAGS FROM IS SAN MARCOS PREMIUM OUT. OUR TENT WAS PROVIDED BY THE KETTLE AREA REGIONAL ADVISORY COUNCIL. AND THEN THE TROPHIES FOR THE CHILI DOG COOKOFF. THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN BY ONE PERSON. IT TAKES THE ENTIRE FAMILY. AS A MATTER OF FACT, MY TEAM WILL PROBABLY TELL YOU IT TAKES AN ARMY. BUT THEY DID THE WORK OF AN ARMY, AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS, CANDY LONEY. YOU MET HER A WHILE AGO. SHE'S OUR COORDINATOR. WILL BOWMAN. PUTS TOGETHER OUR MAPS AND ALSO MANAGED THE AUCTION AND RAFFLE ITEMS, AND THEN OF COURSE, KRISTEN JONES WHO PUT ALL THE ADMINISTRATION TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. PLUS SHE WAS THE STAGE MANAGER. ONE OF OUR FIRE MARSHALS. DEPUTIES. HE WAS GIVING OUT LITERATURE TO TALK ABOUT SPACE FOR WILDFIRES, AND HE WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING. HE CAME OUT WITH NOTHING LEFT. SO NATALIE FRAILS. THANKS TO HER, WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD PHOTOGRAPHS. ALSO WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD PHOTOGRAPHS FROM SOPHIA VIT VITTERER. KYLE NEILSONBECK ALSO HELPED WITH THE PROMOTIONS ONLINE, AND T.J., OUR OFFICIAL DIRECTOR. I DON'T GET A CHANCE TO RECOGNIZE THESE FOLKS PUBLICLY, SO I TAKE ADVANTAGE NOW TO DO SO. AND OF COURSE, OUR CERT MEMBERS. OVER 80 CERT MEMBERS FROM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY WERE OUT THERE, AND THEY MADE THIS POSSIBLE, AND EVERY TIME I TALK ABOUT THE PREPAREDNESS FAIR, I GET LOOKS FROM THE CREW. OH, GOD... THIS AGAIN? I DESERVE THOSE LOOKS, BUT THEY DESERVE THE APPRECIATION OF THIS COURT AND THIS COMMUNITY. SO EVERYBODY IN OUR COMMUNITY WILL BE PREPARED FOR ANY DISASTER THAT COMES OUR DIRECTION. AND AS A RESULT OF THIS, A FANTASTIC THANK YOU TO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THAT SUBMITTED RAFFLE BASKETS FOR THIS EVENT. AUDITOR'S OFFICE. FACILITIES MANAGEMENT. I.T. COMMISSIONER HAMMER. THE HAYS COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT. TRANSPORTATION. AND, OF COURSE, OUR OFFICE, TOO. WE PARTICIPATED, OES. NOW, YOU'RE PROBABLY WONDERING WHO WON THE BASKETS? >> PROBABLY THE AUDITOR WON AGAIN. >> I DON'T HAVE A DRUM ROLL. >> THE FINANCE SECTION FROM HAYS COUNTY. YES, SIR, THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE! IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY HAD THE MOST TICKETS. >> THE MOST WHAT? >> THE MOST TICKETS. >> OKAY. OKAY. >> THE MOST TICKETS. WE HAVE A PRIZE FOR THE MOST TICKETS. COMES FROM TONY C'S PIZZA. A PIZZA PARTY FOR THE TEAM, AND THAT IS $150 $150 FOR A PIZZA PY TO GO OUT AND CELEBRATE WITH YOUR TEAM. THIS YEAR WE WERE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER PRIZE FOR TICKETS AS WELL. SO THE SECOND MOST TICKETS -- AND YOU'RE GOING TO PROBABLY THINK THIS WAS RIGGED -- BUT IT WAS OED. >> YEAH! GOOD JOB! >> THE SENIOR DIRECTOR CAN COME AND GRAB THAT ONE. AND MARISOL, DO YOU WANT TO COME AND GRAB YOUR TROPHY. >> LET'S ALL COME UP HERE AND TAKE A PICTURE WITH THE TROPHY. COME UP HERE, SUPERSTAR. CONGRATULATIONS, EVERYONE. >> -- FOR NEXT YEAR. >> COCOME UP, GUYS. LET'S CROWD THIS PICTURE. >> THANK YOU. >> ONE MORE TIME. COME ON IN. WHEREVER YOU'D LIKE TO BE. [01:10:16] >> ALL RIGHT. EVERYBODY KIND OF SQUEEZE IN. LOOKING RIGHT HERE. 1, 2, 3... 1, 2, 3... >> BEAUTIFUL! WELL DONE. CONGRATULATIONS. WELL DONE. >> MIKE? >> ALL RIGHT. [K.9. Discussion and possible action to authorize the acceptance of the Office of the Governor, Juvenile Justice and Youth Diversion grant program, in the amount of $88,692.74, for the grant period of September 1, 2026, through August 31, 2027, and create one (1) full-time equivalent grant-funded High-Risk Juvenile Probation Officer position, Grade 121, within the Juvenile Probation Department effective September 15, 2026, and amend the budget accordingly. INGALSBE/BOUTTE/DAY ] >> SO, PLEASE OPEN K .9. >> K .9. >> ACCEPTANCE OF THE OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR JUVENILE JUSTICE AND YOUTH DIVERSION GRANT PROGRAM. FOR THE GRANT PERIOD OF SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2026, THROUGH AUGUST 31ST, 2027. AND CREATE ONE HIGH-RISK JUVENILE PROBATION OFFICER POSITION, EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2026 AND AMEND THE BUDGET ACCORDINGLY. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM AND NAME AND TITLE. >> JUDGE, MY NAME IS LANDON CAMPBELL. I'M A DIVISION CHIEF WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I'M JOINED BY LISA DAY, IF YOU WANT TO -- >> HI, LISA DAY. CHIEF JUVENILE PROBATION. >> WE ARE BOTH APPROACHING THE COURT. WE'RE REALLY HAPPY. THIS IS ONE OF OUR GREAT DAYS WHEN WE'VE GOT ACCEPTED GRANT MONEY TO RECEIVE. THIS IS A JOINT PROJECT OF OUR OFFICE AND THE JUVENILE PROBATION OFFICE. Y'ALL HAVE HEARD NUMEROUS TIMES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR ABOUT THE SURGE AND COMPLEXITY IN JUVENILE CRIME THAT IS OCCURRING IN OUR COUNTY. THIS POSITION HAS -- WAS SOUGHT EARLIER THIS YEAR AND ACCEPTED NOW BY THE OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR TO RECOGNIZE THE INCREASE AND COMPLEXITY IN HIGH-RISK JUVENILE CRIME. I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THIS GRANT. I'M ASKING THE COURT TO ACCEPT IT. I JUST WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FOR LISA AND MYSELF, TO SHOUT OUT THE AMAZING JUVENILE PROBATION OFFICERS THAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT WORKING ON THESE PROJECTS. OUR JUVENILE PROSECUTOR, OUR JUVENILE LEGAL ASSISTANT. YESTERDAY, IN THE MIDDLE OF AN EXTREMELY BUSY MONDAY, WHERE WE HAD DOCKETS, A JURY BEING SELECTED, WE ENDED UP TAKING TIME TO SPEND TWO HOURS OUT OF THE JUVENILE DETENTION FACILITY TO DEAL WITH ONE CASE WITH A VERY, VERY SEVERE MIX OF MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE ISSUES IN A JU YOUNGER JUVENILE. THESE ARE INTENSE ISSUES. I'M SO GLAD IS IT'S BEING RECOGNIZED BY US BEING ABLE TO SECURE THESE GRANTS BY OUR AMAZING HARD-WORKING JUVENILE PROBATION OFFICE, AND I KNOW THAT Y'ALL ARE SUPPORTING US, AND I'D JUST ASK FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT. THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH. >> BEAUTIFUL. COMMISSIONER SMITH? ANYONE ELSE? >> JUDGE, THIS WILL FUND A FULL-TIME HIGH-RISK JUVENILE PROBATION OFFICER, WHICH INCLUDES TRAVEL AND EQUIPMENT. >> BEAUTIFULLY DONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. WE ALL BENEFIT FROM THAT EFFORT. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. [K.5. Discussion and possible action to approve a License Agreement with the Council for the Indigenous & Tejano Community (CITC) to make use of space at the Hays County Historic Courthouse to operate a historic museum exhibit titled "The Past Within Us." COHEN/BOUTTE/CRUMLEY] >> YES. PLEASE OPEN -- I SAW YOU COME IN. SO LET'S GO CAN K .5. >>> DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE A LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNCIL FOR THE INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY, CITC, TO MAKE USE OF SPACE AT THE HAYS COUNTY HISTORIC COURTHOUSE TO OPERATE AN HISTORIC MUSEUM EXHIBIT TITLED "THE PAST WITHIN > SO MOVED. Select to skip to this part of the video">US." >> SO MOVED. >> COMMISSIONER, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> NO, IT'S JUST ACCEPTING DER YEAH, THE LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR THEIR PANEL. ALL RIGHT. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. [G. CONSENT ITEMS ] >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES. >> THERE YOU GO. KEEP GROWING. WE'LL OPEN THE CONSENT AGENDA. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON ANY OF THEM? >> I HAVE JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR TAMMY CRUMBLEY, JUDGE. ON ITEM NUMBER 15. I KNOW THAT WE'RE ASKING TO REPAIR THIS FREEZER FOR 18,775.86. WHAT IS THE COST OF A NEW FREEZER? [01:15:01] I'M JUST -- HAVE WE HAD ISSUES WITH THIS PREVIOUSLY, AND YOU KNOW, ARE WE JUST PUTTING MONEY? INTO SOMETHING THAT WE MAYBE SHOULD CONSIDER BUYING NEW? >> STEPHANIE? >> THIS IS AT THE JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER, SO I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT. >> OKAY. STEPHANIE? >> STEPHANIE. WOULD YOU APPROACH THE PODIUM. >> STEPHANIE HUNT, PURCHASING AGENT. SO, THE JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER DIRECTOR JOËLLE REACHED OUT REGARDING THE FREEZER. TEY'VE HAD ISSUES IN THE PAST, WITH TRANSITIONS AROUND THE DOOR, AND THEY'VE HAD IT REPAIRED IN THE PAST. AND IT HAS A LEAK. RIGHT THERE, THE FLOORING IS KIND OF FALLING APART. RIGHT THERE. SO THEY ARE HAVING THAT COME IN AND GET FIXED TO WHERE IT SHOULDN'T NEED ANY MORE REPAIRS. BUT HOPEFULLY IT'LL FIX IT. BUT WE DID NOT LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD COST TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE FREEZER. >> SO COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, BASED ON YOUR QUESTION, I ASK THAT WE TABLE THIS AND BRING IT BACK TO COURT. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE. IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO UTILIZE IT AT ALL, ARE WE GETTING SPOILED FOOD AND -- YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A CONCERN. >> SO THEY WERE ABLE TO MOVE FOOD OVER TO THE JAIL THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE FREEZER, SO THAT'S CURRENTLY WHAT THEY'RE USING, BECAUSE IT IS NOT WORKING PROPERLY. IT'S NOT WORKING AT ALL RIGHT NOW. >> CAN WE MAYBE LOOK INTO TODAY? >> I CAN LOOK INTO IT WHILE WE'RE HERE, YEAH. >> WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? PULL THIS ONE OUT, JUDGE? >> TABLE THIS ONE ITEM, AND WHAT ELSE? >> THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I MADE A NOTE ON AS WELL, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE BROUGHT WALK NUMBER IN-INS FOR LESS THAN THAT. >> WE AGREE ON THAT. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO INCLUDE IN THE VOTE -- WE'RE TABLING 15. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL FOR THE REST. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> I'M RECUSING MYSELF FROM G .1 DUE TO MY STEPFATHER WORKING WITH AT LIQUIDITY, AND YES TO EVERYTHING ELSE. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. [Items J.1. & J.2. ] >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES. SO PLEASE OPEN. J .1 AND J .2. >> HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE SUBDIVISION ROADS 1 AND 2 REPLATT. >> SO MOVED. >> I'M OPENING THIS AGENDA ITEM FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK? BOTH OF THESE ITEMS ARE OPEN. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THESE AGENDA ITEMS, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM. I SEE NO MOVEMENT. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS? [I.1. Hold a public hearing establishing a "No Parking Zone" along Sunrise Dr and Sunrise Ct. INGALSBE/A.JONES] ANYTHING. LET'S CALL, THEN. LET'S OPEN I .1. >> HOLD A MUST BE HEARING ESTABLISHING A NO PARKING ZONE ALONG SUN RISE DRIVE AND SUNRISE COURT. >> I AM OPENING THIS AGENDA ITEM FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. I SEE NO MOVEMENT. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES, JUDGE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ESTABLISH THE NO PARKING ZONES ALONG SUNRISE DRIVE AND SUNRISE CIRCLE. WE'VE HAD MANY RESIDENTS CALL IN WITH SAFETY CONCERNS, BASICALLY. THERE'S JUST A LOT OF PEOPLE PARKING ALONG THOSE SIDES OF THE ROADS, AND THEY'RE BLOCKING DRIVEWAYS, AND SO WE FELT -- AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FELT IT MIGHT BE PRUDENT TO GO AHEAD AND ESTABLISH THESE NO PARKING. >> PERFECT. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH? >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. [Items I.2. & I.3. ] >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. YES. PLEASE OPEN I .2 AND 3. >> DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO RELEASE THE THREE-YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND AND THE ACCEPTANCE OF ROADS INTO THE COUNTY ROAD MAINTENANCE SYSTEM FOR ANTHEM SUBDIVISION PHASE 4-A. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO CONSIDER THE RELEASE OF MAINTENANCE BOND NUMBER 233-1900 IN THE AMOUNT OF 84,007.93. RELEASE A REVEGETATION BOND NUMBER 233-1900 IN THE AMOUNT OF 14,176.89 AND ACCEPT THE ROADS INTO THE COUNTY ROAD MAINTENANCE SYSEM FOR THE PRAIRIE LAKES SUBDIVISION PHASE 1, SECTION 2. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. [01:20:01] >> COMMISSIONER SMITH? >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. [I.4. Discussion and possible action to authorize the execution of Contract Amendment No. 1 to the Contract for Right of Way Acquisition Services (2026-PSA-32) between Hays County and LJA Engineering Inc. for the Centerpoint Road project in Precinct 3 to increase the compensation cap by $24,700.00 (12% increase) for the execution of Supplemental Work Authorization No. 1 which adds appraisal reviews to the right-of-way scope. HAMMER/A.JONES] >> ER INGALSBE.NIN >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES. ITEM.HAD. >> RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS SERVICES BETWEEN HAYS COUNTY AND LGA ENGINEERING INC. FOR THE CENTER POINT ROAD PROJECT IN PRECINCT 3 TO INCREASE THE COMPENSATION CAP BY 24,700, 12% INCREASE, FOR THE EXECUTION OF SUPPLEMENT WORK AUTHORIZES NUMBER 1 WHICH ADDS APPRAISAL REVIEWS TO THE RIGHT OF WAY SCOPE. >> LOOKING FOR A MOTION. >> SO MOVED. >> OKAY, WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLE. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. [I.5. Discussion and possible action to approve Amendment No.1 terminating the existing Advance Funding Agreement (AFA), by and between the State of Texas, acting by and through the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) and Hays County for the Roundabout Intersection at RM 12 and RM 150 project. SMITH/A.JONES] >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES. ITEM I .5. >>> THROUGH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TXDOT AND HAYS COUNTY FOR THE ROUND-ABOUT INTERSECTION AT -- >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE. THE ORIGINAL AFA ADOPTED IN MAY LACKED A COUPLE OF THINGS IN IT. AND SO THIS IS AN UPDATE OF THAT, BRINGING IN THE SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT TXDOT HAS REQUESTED. THERE'S NO CHANGE IN COST AND NO CHANGE IN SCOPE. >> WHAT DID THEY REQUEST, FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC? >> SURE, ACTUALLY, IT'S IN THE BACKUP,. >> BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT. >> SURE. LET ME PULL IT UP REAL QUICK. ON MAY 12TH, THE COMMISSIONERS' COURT CONSIDERED AN AFA FOR A PROJEC AND ASSOCIATED RESOLUTION. FOLLOWING A PARTIAL EXECUTION OF AMENDMENT NUMBER 1, TXDOT IDENTIFIED THAT THE AMENDMENT TEMPLATE THAT WAS PROVIDED DID NOT INCLUDE PROJECT-SPECIFIC LANGUAGE. THAT HAS SINCE BEEN PROVIDED IN A REVISED AMENDMENT FOR EXECUTION. APPROVAL OF THE AFA AMENDMENT 1 IS REQUESTED TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY WITH UPDATED TXDOT REQUIREMENTS. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONEER INGALSBE. [Items I.6. & I.7. ] >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES. OPEN I .6 AND I-7. >> BETWEEN HAYS COUNTY AND BGE INC. TO PROVIDE ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THE WILLIAM PETEAS ROD PROJECT IN PRECINCT 1 AND AWARD BUDGET ACCORDINGLY. THE EXECUTION OF A CONTRACT FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES 2026-PSA-49 TO PROW UTILITY COORDINATION SERVICES FOR THE GO FORTH ROAD PROJECT, COTTON GIN ROAD TO WEST OF BEEBE ROAD IN PRECINCT 1. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. [K.1. Discussion and possible action to approve the Assessment and Collection Agreement with River Bridge PID (Public Improvement District). INGALSBE/ESCOBAR] >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES. K-1, PLEASE. >> TO APPROVE THE ASSESSMENT AND COLLECTION AGREEMENT WITH RIVER BRIDGE PID PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> THE CITY OF IS SAN MARCOS HAS REQUESTED OUR TAX COLLECTOR TO COLLECT THE TAXES, SO THIS IS AT THEIR REQUEST. [K.2. Discussion and possible action to update the Hays County Parks Fee Schedule and Hours of Operation effective October 1, 2026. BECERRA/FLOCKE] >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> K .2. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND NATURAL RESOURCES. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING HERE IS AN APPROVAL OF OUR FEE SCHEDULE AND HOUR STRUCTURE FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. NOTABLE CHANGES WITHIN THIS: THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO OUR FEE AND HOURS OF THE DAHLSTROM PRESERVE. WE ARE LOOKING AT UPDATING OUR FEE FOR SWIMMING RESERVATIONS AT JACOBS WELL, SHOULD THOSE OCCUR NEXT YEAR. SHOULD THERE BE ENOUGH WATER. THAT WOULD BE AN INCREASE OF THE GENERAL FEE RESTORATION FROM A BASE RESERVATION FEE OF 9 TO $12, AND THE REDUCED PRICE RESERVATION FEE THAT WOULD APPLY TO CHILDREN, SENIORS, SERVICE MEMBERS, HAYS COUNTY RESIDENTS, FROM 9 TO 5. >> -- THAT YOU CAN REDUCE THE FEE WHEN THERE IS REDUCED WATER? I'M JUST KIDDING. >> IT WOULD BE 100% REDUCTION, WHEN THERE'S NO SWIMMING, OF [01:25:03] COURSE. THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST FEE INCREASE EVER AT JACOBS WELL, WE BELIEVE. AND WE ALSO ESTABLISHED OUR HOURS FOR SENTINEL CREEK RESERVE. WITH A FEE STRUCTURE OF $12 FOR ADULTS. $9 FOR ALL OTHERS, AND DURING OFF-SEASON WHEN SWIMMING IS LESS LIKELY, FOR $8 FOR ADULTS, $6 FOR ALL OTHERS. OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES: FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE ARE OPENING OUR PARKS ON NEW YEAR'S DAY AND EASTER. THESE ARE BIG OUTDOOR DAYS WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO GET OUTSIDE AND RECREATE. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE OFFERING THAT. >> PERFECT. WELL DONE. COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> GOOD. >> GOOD JOB. GOOD JOB. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. [K.3. Discussion and possible action to grant the Director of Development Services or their designee the authority to waive the "Outside Tax Liabilities" requirement and associated documentation set forth in the Hays County Development Regulations up to and until October 27, 2026. COHEN/BERLAD ] >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. YES. KJ 3. >>> THE OUTSIDE HALIFAX LIKES REQUIREMENT AND ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTATION SET FORT IN THE HAYS COUNTY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS UP TO AND -- UP TO AND UNTIL OCTOBER 27TH, 2026. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT THIS? WHAT'S UP? >> SO I'M GOING TO -- CHASE, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? >> SURE. >> YEAH. >> GOOD MORNING, COURT. CHASE YOUNG, ASSISTANT CRIMINAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY WITH THE CIVIL DIVISION. THE TAX COLLECTOR OFFICE IS UPDATING A MUCH-NEEDED ELECTRONIC SYSTEM, BUT THAT MEANS THERE'S GOING TO BE A PERIOD UNTIL ABOUT MID-OCTOBER WHERE TAX LIABILITIES AREN'T ABLE TO TO BE ISSUED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, SO ONE OF THE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN ORDER TO BE A TECHNICALLY COMPLETE APPLICATION, WHEN A PLATT IS FILED WITH THE COUNTY, RIGHT, IS THAT TAX LIABILITY. AND SO IN ORDER TO KEEP THE PROCESS MOVING AT THIS POINT SO WE DON'T ACCIDENTALLY HOLD UP SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, WE'RE ASKING FOR A TEMPORARY WAIVER. NOW, I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A DISTINCTION HERE: THERE IS A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY CODE 12002 SUBSECTION E THAT SAYS THAT A PLATT CANNOT BE FILED WITH THE COUNTY CLERK UNTIL SUCH TAX LIABILITY IS ATTACHED TO IT. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO WAIVE AT THIS POINT. THIS IS OUR INTERNAL REGULATORY AUTHORITY THAT GIVES US THEÚABIS REQUIREMENTS FOR WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR COMPLETE APPLICATION. >> SO THE WAY THE AGENDA ITEM IS WRITTEN, IT GIVES ME THE ILLUSION THAT IT IS -- THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS IS A PRECINCT 2 THING, BUT THIS IS A COUNTY-WIDE THING? >> THIS IS A COUNTY-WIDE THING. WE MANAGED TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS AHEAD OF THE THING, AND COMMISSIONER COHEN WAS THE FIRST ONE TO ANSWER HER PHONE, SO... LOGISTICS SENSE, THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS THAT WE STILL HAVE TO -- NO MATTER WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE UPDATING OUR TAX SOFTWARE OR NOT, WE STILL HAVE TO HIT THAT 30-DAY SHOT CLOCK. AND WE CAN DO THAT INTERNALLY. WE JUST CAN'T FILE THE FINAL PLATT WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE UNTIL WE HAVE ASSURED THAT THEY PAY THOSE TAXES. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES . [K.4. Discussion and Possible Action to Authorize the Reimbursement to the County Clerk's Office for Consumables Purchased for a Full Staff Training on August 21, 2026 and amend the budget accordingly. BECERRA/CARDENAS] >> YES. K.4. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS? PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. [K.7. Discussion and possible action to authorize the submission of a grant application to the Texas State Soil and Water Conservation Board, Fiscal Year 2027 Clean Water Act, Texas Nonpoint Source Management Program, in the amount of $400,000. HAMMER/BOUTTE/FLOCKE] >> JUDGE BECERRA. I'VE BEEN ASKED TO TABLE K .6, SO LET'S GO TO K .7. >> TO THE TEXAS STATE SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION BOARD. NON-MANAGEMENT PROGRAM IN THE AMOUNT OF $400,000. >> SO MOVED. >> ALL RIGHT. >> THIS IS BASICALLY A GRANT THAT'S GOING TO HELP US WITH OUR CLEAN RIVER ACT. AND IT'S GOING TO BE -- SPAN ON FY 27 AND FY 28 WITH A 40% MATCH AND THEN A 60% MATCH FROM TEXAS STATE, TOTALING TO ABOUT $153,000. >> BEAUTIFUL. DID SHE LEAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY? I DON'T THINK SO. YOU DID WELL. COMMISSIONER, WELL DONE. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. SUMMARY FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC, AND DON'T DON'T HAVE THE AGENDA IN FRONT OF THEM ONLINE OR PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE BACKUP ONLINE, SO JUST AN OVERVIEW IT REALLY WONDERFUL, AND I [K.8. Discussion and possible action to authorize the acceptance of grant funds and the execution of an Agreement between Hays County, Great Springs Project, Inc., and the Capital Area Metropolitan Planning Organization (CAMPO) to complete the Priority Multi-Use Connectivity Study in the amount of $459,680.00. HAMMER/BOUTTE/FLOCKE] APPRECIATE IT. AND I KNOW THAT PEOPLE WATCHING DO AS WELL. PLEASE OPEN K .8. >> DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE THE ACCEPTANCE OF A GRANT -- OF GRANT FUNDS IN THE EXECUTION OF AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN HAYS COUNTY, GREAT SPRINGS PROJECT [01:30:02] INC. AND THE CAPITAL AREA METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION TO COMPLETE THE PRIORITY MULTI-UE CONNECTIVE STUDY IN THE AMOUNT OF 459,680. >> SO MOVED. >> OKAY. BEAUTIFULLY DONE. >> THIS GRANT WILL HELP US WITH TRAIL CONNECTIVITY WITHIN HAYS COUNTY. IT REQUIRES US TO HAVE A 10% MATCH, WHICH WILL BE AROUND $43,000 WITH A 10% MATCH FROM GREAT SPRINGS PACKAGE, AND THEN 80% WITH CAMPEAU. >> BEAUTIFUL. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. [K.10. Discussion and possible action to execute a First Amendment to the RFP 2026-P11 Promotional Testing Services, Sheriff's Office contract between Hays County and I/O Solutions, reducing the overall contract by $53,617.00 (16%). INGALSBE/HIPOLITO/HUNT] >> DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO EXECUTE A FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE RFP 2026-P 11 PROMOTIONAL TESTING SERVICES SHERIFF'S OFFICE CONTRACT BETWEEN HAYS COUNTY AND IO SOLUTIONS, REDUCING THE OVERALL CONTRACT BY 53,617. 16%. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> JUDGE, WE'RE REDUCING THE COST FOR THE -- WAIT. WE'RE REDUCING THE PREVENTION COST AS ONE VIDEO WILL COVER THE NECESSARY NEEDS, AND THEN ALSO REMOVING THE ASSESSOR EXPENSE, AS THE SO WILL COVER THESE COSTS. SO IT GOES TO OUR GENERAL OPERATING. >> GREAT. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. [K.11. Discussion and possible action to approve the FY27 Hays County Civilian Salary Chart and FY27 Market Adjustment and Base Pay Procedures, including phased implementation of market adjustments effective October 1, 2026, and April 1, 2027; authorize the Payroll Office, in coordination with Human Resources, to establish necessary job codes and update job titles associated with existing job codes consistent with the approved FY27 Civilian Salary Chart. SMITH/COHEN] >> K .11, PLEASE. >> DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE FY 27 HAYS COUNTY CIVILIAN SALARY CHART AND FY 27 MARKET ADJUSTMENT AND BASE PAY PROCEDURES, INCLUDING MARKET ADJUSTMENTS EFFECTIVE ACT 1ST, 2026 AND APRIL 1ST 2027. AUTHORIZE THE PAYROLL OFFICE IN COORDINATION WITH HUMAN RESOURCES TO ESTABLISH NECESSARY JOB CODES AND UPDATE JOB TITLES CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED FY 27 CI27 CIVILIAN SALARY CHART. >> THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE SOMEBODY TO SPEAK. IF YOU WILL TAKE OVER. COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE. >> CYNTHIA MALANSBI. >> HELLO, COLONEL! I'LL NEVER TIRE OF SAYING THAT. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE. I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF ADOPTING AND FUNDING THE PROPOSED COUNTY COMPENSATION PLAN AS PRESENTED. I WANTED TO ADDRESS ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS BEING MADE AGAINST THIS PLAN: THAT THE BENCHMARK EMPLOYERS SELECTED FOR THE STUDY WERE NOT THE RIGHT EMPLOYERS AND, THEREFORE, THE METHODOLOGY IS FRAUD. THAT ARGUMENT DESERVES SOME PERSPECTIVE. COMPENSATION BENCHMARKING IS A PROFESSIONAL DISCIPLINE. THE PURPOSE OF A BENCHMARK STUDY IS NOT TO FIND EMPLOYERS THAT ARE IDENTICAL TO HAYS COUNTY. THERE ARE NO PERFECT COMPARATORS. THE PURPOSE IS TO ESTABLISH REASONABLE, DEFENSIBLE MARKET USING CONSISTENTLY-APPLIED CRITERIA AND COMPENSATION DATA. THAT IS EXACTLY WHY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT CHANGING THE METHODOLOGY AT THE 11TH HOUR TO ACCOMMODATE A RELATIVELY SMALL NUMBER OF POSITIONS. IF THE METHODOLOGY WAS PROFESSIONALLY-ESTABLISHED, CONSISTENTLY-APPLIED AND USED TO EVALUATE THE COUNTY'S POSITIONS, WE SHOULD NOT CHANGE THE RULES AFTER SEEING THE RESULTS, SIMPLY BECAUSE SOME OF THE RESULTS ARE UNCOMFORTABLE. THAT ISN'T CORRECTING INEQUITY. THAT'S CREATING A DIFFERENT INEQUITY. IN FACT, MY OWN POSITION HAS BEEN USED AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHY THE STUDY IS SUPPOSEDLY FLAWED. SO I DID SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE: I CONDUCTED MY OWN BENCHMARK. I LOOKED AT ONLY LARGE TEXAS COUNTIES WITH A COMPARABLE SECOND IN COMMAND POSITION TO THE ELECTED OFFICIAL. SOMEONE WHO PROVIDES LEADERSHIP, SUPPORTS THE ELECTED OFFICIAL, AND ACTS IN THE ELECTED OFFICIAL'S STEAD, WHEN NECESSARY. MY INDEPENDENT BENCHMARK DOES NOT DISPROVE THE COUNTY'S FINDING. IT ACTUALLY SUPPORTED. IT CONFIRMED THAT MY POSITION IS 31% BELOW MARKET AND MY INDEPENDENT BENCHMARK SUPPORTED COMPENSATION HIGHER THAN WHAT THE COUNTY'S STUDY RECOMMENDS. YET I'M STILL STANDING HERE SUPPORTING THE COUNTY'S STUDY. WHY? BECAUSE THIS CANNOT BE ABOUT ANY ONE POSITION, INCLUDING THE POSITION THAT I CURRENTLY HOLD. IT HAS TO BE ABOUT ESTABLISHING A SOUND COMPENSATION STRUCTURE FOR THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE. NO COMPENSATION PLAN IS PERFECT. THERE WILL STILL BE INEQUITIES AFTER WE ADOPT THIS PLAN. THERE WILL STILL BE SOME COMPRESSION, BUT THERE'LL BE FEWER INEQUITIES AND LESS COMPRESSION THAN WE HAVE TODAY, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE WILL HAVE A MUCH STRONGER BASELINE FROM WHICH TO MAKE FUTURE CORRECTIONS. WE NEED TO MAKE A SIGNIFICANT COURSE CORRECTION IN HOW HAYS COUNTY POSITIONS ITSELF IN THE LABOR MARKET. WE HAVE AN HR PROFESSIONAL WHO HAS THE EDUCATION, EXPERIENCE, AND PROFESSIONAL CREDENTIALS TO LEAD THE WORK. AND HE HAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF INITIALS BEHIND HIS NAME THAT SUPPORT THAT. [01:35:02] THEY REPRESENT PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE IN HUMAN RESOURCES AND COMPENSATION. NONE OF US SHOULD EXPECT A COMPENSATION STUDY TO BE PERFECT, BUT WE SHOULD EXPECT IT TO BE PROFESSIONALLY-DEVELOPED, CONSISTENTLY-APPLIED, AND BASED ON A DEFENSIBLE METHODOLOGY. AND WE SHOULD BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT ALLOWING INDIVIDUAL DISAGREEMENTS WITH INDIVIDUAL OUTCOMES TO DRIVE CHANGES TO THAT METHODOLOGY, BECAUSE THERE IS REAL RISK IN CHANGING THE PLAN. THERE IS RISKS THAT WE CONTINUE TO LOSE GROUND IN THE LABOR MARKET. RISK OF CONTINUED RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION PROBLEMS, AND RISK OF PERPETUATING THE VERY INEQUITIES THIS STUDY WAS INTENDED TO ADDRESS. AND THERE'S ANOTHER RISK: TELLING OUR EMPLOYEES THAT WE COMMISSIONED A STUDY, IDENTIFIED A SIGNIFICANT MARKET PROBLEM, AND THEN CHOSE NOT TO ACT BECAUSE FIXING EVERYTHING PERFECTLY WAS TOO DIFFICULT OR TOO EXPENSIVE. I'LL END THERE. I'M ASKING THAT YOU PLEASE SUPPORT AND FUND THE MARKET STUDY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COLONEL. APPRECIATE IT. >> YES. TWO EMAILED. >> AND WE HAVE TWO EMAILED. >> THE FIRST ONE IS FROM ELAINE: SHE WRITES "ONCE AGAIN, I WANT TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THE SALARY PLAN AND MARKET ADJUSTMENTS THAT HAYS COUNTY HUMAN RESOURCE DIRECTOR HAS PROPOSED AND TO ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSIONERS' COURT TO ADOPT IT WITHOUT CHANGES. >> E I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE CONCERNS AND SOME OF THE OUTLIER SALARIES APPEAR TO BE SKEWED AND HAVE -- AND I HAVE HEARD SUGGESTIONS THAT THE METHODOLOGY SHOULD THEREFORE BE ADJUSTED. AS I -- AS A PROFESSIONAL RESEARCHER WITH 30 OR MORE YEARS LEADING COMPLEX FEDERAL RESEARCH PROJECTS, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT METHODOLOGY IS NOT SKEWED. THE COUNTY SELECTED AND APPROVED FOR THE STUDY REPRESENT THE APPROPRIATE CROSS-SECTION OF TEXAS COUNTIES AND CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS RELATED TO SPECIFIC POSITIONS. THERE ARE ALWAYS OUTLIERS. THED THISIOLOGY IS FAIR AND HAS CATHEDRALLED A BALANCED STATISTICAL SOUND RESULT. PLEASE DO NOT TWEAK IT. FOCUSING ON INDIVIDUAL POSITIONS WILL SKEW THE RESULTS AND LEAD TO POSSIBLE -- LADY TO PROBLEMSS IN THE FUTURE, INVALIDATING THE ENTIRE PROCESS. I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT ERIC'S WORK. HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING." >> THE NEXT ONE IS FROM ANNE MEDINA IN KYLE. SHE WRITES "MY NAME IS ANNE MEDINA. I'M A HAYS COUNTY RESIDENT, AND I HAVE PROUDLY BEEN EMPLOYED BY HAYS COUNTY FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS. I HAVE WITNESSED FIRSTHAND THE REPERCUSSIONS OF BELOW-MARKET COMPENSATION. OUR COUNTY OFFERS GREAT BENEFITS AND PAID HOLIDAYS, WHICH ARE A VALUABLE SELLING POINTS WHEN IT COMES TO RECRUITING EMPLOYEES. IN FACT, THESE BENEFITS CAN BE ENOUGH TO CONVINCE PEOPLE TO OVERLOOK THE BELOW-MARKET PAY. FOR A TIME. BUT EVENTUALLY, REALITY SETS IN, AND EMPLOYEES REALIZE THAT GREAT BENEFITS ALONE DO NOT PAY THE BILLS. THEY ARE THEN FORCED TO LEETCH TO LEAVEFOR BETTER-PAYING STUDE. THEY TAKE THEIR KNOWLEDGE, SKILLS AND TALENTS WITH THEM. IT AFFECTS THE RESIDENTS WE SERVE. AT OUR CURRENT PAY LEVELS, IT CAN BE DIFFICULT FOR A SINGLE-INCOME HOUSEHOLD AND EVEN A DUAL INCOME HOUSEHOLDS TO MAKE WORKING FOR THE COUNTY FINANCIALLY SUSTAINABLE, AND IT IS ULTIMATELY THE CONSTITUENTS WHO FEEL THE CONSEQUENCES. WHEN WE CANNOT RETAIN EXPERIENCED EMPLOYEES, THE QUALITY AND EFFICIENCY OF THE SERVICES WE PROVIDE TO OUR COMMUNITY SUFFER. I UNDERSTAD THE COURT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO CAREFULLY CONSIDER THE BUDGET AND AS A FELLOW TAXPAYER, I RESPECT THE METICULOUS REVIEW THAT GOES INTO THESE DECISIONS. BUT I URGE YOU TO DO WHAT IS NEEDED TO ADOPT A COMPENSATION PLAN AS PRESENTED. HAYS COUNTY EMPLOYEES ARE ALSO HAYS COUNTY RESIDENTS. WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN SERVING OUR COMMUNITY AND BEING PART OF -- AND BEING ABLE TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE. EVERYWHERE WE LOOK, THE COST OF LIVING CONTINUES TO RISE, AND IT CAN FEEL HELPLESS TO KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. BUT IN THIS CASE, YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I ASK YOU TO HELP YOUR FELLOW HAYS COUNTY RESIDENTS AND CO-WORKERS. BRING OUR COUNTY'S COMPENSATION UP TO MARKET. > AND THAT WAS IT, YOU SAID? Select to skip to this part of the video">THANK YOU." >> AND THAT WAS IT, YOU SAID? >> YES, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT. SO, ERIC, ALL YOURS, MY FRIEND. >> WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION, JUDGE. GOOD MORNING, COURT MEMBERS. ERIC HANDAL MAN, HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR. ALL RIGHT. SO WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT HOW THE MARKET SOURCES WERE DETERMINED, JUST AS A REFRESHER [01:40:01] FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC AND THE COURT MEMBERS. SO WE DID START OFF WITH 25 POTENTIAL COMPARABLE ORGANIZATIONS, BASED ON THE GEOGRAPHIC PROXIMITY, POPULATION SIZE, OPERATING BUDGET, REGIONAL LABOR COMPETITION, AND REPRESENTATION OF BOTH THE SAN ANTONIO AND AUSTIN METROPOLITAN AREAS. THE FIVE STRONGEST COMPARABLE MARKETS WERE CONSIDERED. OTHER REGIONAL EMPLOYEES WERE CONSIDERED BASED ON THEIR PROXIMITY TO HAYS COUNTY AND THEIR RELEVANCE AS REALISTIC COMPETITORS FOR TALENT. TRABECAUSE THEY WERE GENERALLY WITHIN APPROXIMATELY 75-MINUTE DRIVES FROM SAN MARCOS, REPRESENTING MARKETS WHERE HAYS COUNTY COULD REASONABLY LOSE CANDIDATES TO OR ATTRACT QUALIFIED CANDIDATES FROM. WE DIRECTLY COMPETE FOR THE SAME LABOR MARKET. ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2025, HAYS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' COURT UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED 15 MARKET SOURCES TO CONSIDER FOR POSITIONS. HOW THE RESULTS WERE DELIVERED: SO HR INTENTIONALLY MAINTAINED CENTRALIZED OVERSIGHT OF THE MARKET ANALYSIS TO ENSURE CONSISTENT, EQUITABLE, AND FISCALLY-RESPONSIBLE IMPLEMENTATION. BASELINE RESULTS WERE DETERMINED FOLLOWING CONSISTENT STUDY METHODS TO AVOID BIASES AMONG DEPARTMENTS. DURING THE FINAL IMPLEMENTATION STAGES OF THE STUDY, DEPARTMENT HEADS WERE PROVIDED DISCRETION IN DETERMINING EMPLOYMENT PLACEMENT WITHIN THE STEP PLAN. CREATING INTERNAL EQUITY CONCERNS AND, IN SOME CASES, DEVALUING EMPLOYEE TENURE. REINTRODUCING DEPARTMENT LEVEL INPUT OR DISCRETION AT THIS STAGE OF THE CURRENT MARKET STUDY COULD REOPEN SIMILAR INEQUITIES. MAINTAINING A CONSISTENT, CENTRALLY-ADMINISTERED PLACEMENT METHODOLOGY ENSURES THAT EMPLOYEES ARE TREATED UNIFORMLY AND THAT YEARS OF SERVICE ARE RECOGNIZED CONSISTENTLY ACROSS DEPARTMENTS. DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO HAVE CONTACTED HR REGARDING THE DEPARTMENT'S MARKET RESULTS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED WITH A HIGH-LEVEL OVERVIEW AND, IF REQUESTED, THE DETAILED MARKET RESULTS FOR THEIR DEPARTMENT. AS PREVIOUSLY COMMUNICATED, DEPARTMENT CONCERNS WILL BE REVIEWED AND ADDRESSED HOLIST CLICK IN FC 27 FOR RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE COURT IN FY 27. SO, HOW TO AVOID INEQUITIES? LIMITING MARKET ADJUSTMENTS TO EMPLOYEES EARNING A SPECIFIC SALARY OR PLACING A DOLLAR CAP ON ADJUSTMENTS COULD EXACERBATE SALARY INEQUITIES. THE STUDY EVALUATED POSITIONS USING DIRECT JOB TITLE MATCHES, ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE AND/OR COMPARISON OF JOB DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES BASED ON JOB DESCRIPTIONS PROVIDED BY THE APPROVED MARKET SOURCES. THE MOST EQUITABLE APPROACH IS TO MAINTAIN EACH OTHER'S CURRENT STEP WHEN TRANSITIONING TO THE NEW PAY GRADE. THIS PRESERVES THE VALUE OF EACH EMPLOYEE'S EXISTING TENURE WITH THE COUNTY. FOR EXAMPLE, IF AN EMPLOYEE'S PLACEMENT AT THEIR CURRENT STEP IN THE NEW PAY GRADE RESULTS IN A 20% MARKET ADJUSTMENT, BUT INCREASES OUR CAP AT 14%, THE EMPLOYEE WOULD LOSE 6% OF THE ADJUSTMENT, BECAUSE EACH STEP REPRESENTS A YEAR OF SERVICE AT A 3% ADJUSTMENT. A PERCENTAGE OR DOLLAR CAP THEREFORE DOES MORE THAN LIMIT THE SIZE OF AN INCREASE. IT CAN DEVALUE AN EMPLOYEE'S TENURE AND UNDERMINE THE STUDY'S EQUITABLE APPROACH OF CONSIDERING CURRENT STEP PLACEMENT IN THE NEW SALARY STRUCTURE. WHERE THE MARKET ADJUSTMENT IS GOING? A SUBSTANTIAL MAJORITY OF FUNDING TO EMPLOYEES EARNING LESS THAN $80,000. 63% OF THE TOTAL MARKET ADJUSTMENT INVESTMENT IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO EMPLOYEES CURRENTLY EARNINGLESS THAN 80,000. 3.31 MILLION OF THE APPROXIMATELY 4.84 MILLION TOTAL INVESTMENT WOULD GO TO EMPLOYEES EARNING LESS THAN $80,000. EMPLOYEES EARNING LESS THAN 80,000 ALSO REPRESENT APPROXIMATELY 82% OF ALL EMPLOYEES RECEIVING A MARKET ADJUSTMENT, DEMONSTRATING THAT THE PROPOSAL IS ALREADY HEAVILY-WEIGHTED TOWARDS LOWER EARNING EMPLOYEES. A CAP COULD PREVENT EMPLOYEES FROM MAINTAINING THEIR CURRENT STEP IN THE NEW PAY GRADE STRUCTURE. AGAIN, POTENTIALLY DEVALUING RECOGNIZED YEARS OF SERVICE AND CREATING COMPRESSION BETWEEN PAY GRADES. SO, REASONS FOR LIMITING MARKET MATCHES: OUT OF 817 CIVILIAN FTES, 24 FTES, 17 POSITIONS WERE ONLY MATCHED TO THE THREE BIGGEST MARKET SOURCES. OF THOSE 17 POSITIONS, 11 ARE BELOW MARKET AND THE OTHER SIX ARE ABOVE MARKET AVERAGE. SPECIALIZED OR HIGHER-LEVEL POSITIONS MAY NOT EXIST ACROSS ALL MARKETS. SMALLER COUNTIES AND CITIES MAY HAVE FEWER ORGANIZATIONAL [01:45:02] LAYERS, COMBINED RESPONSIBILITIES ARE NOT PROVIDE CERTAIN SERVICES IN NUMBER HOUSE. AS A RESULT, THE POSITIONS IN QUESTION MAY ONLY HAVE COMPARABLE POSITIONS IN THOSE LARGER COUNTIES. WHILE THIS MEANS THE MARKET AVERAGE FOR THESE POSITIONS IS MORE HEAVILY INFLUENCED BY LARGER COUNTY SALARIES, IT ALSO REFLECTS COMPETITIVE MARKET IN WHICH THESE SPECIALIZED POSITIONS EXIST, AND THE SALARIES CASE COUNTIES MIGHT NEED TO COMPETE TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN EMPLOYEES DOING COMPARABLE WORK. SO AT THE COURT'S DIRECTION, WE DID WORK WITH HR, BUDGET AND COUNTY AUDIT ADMINISTRATION ON METHODOLOGY FOR THOSE POSITIONS WITHIN BEAR, WIL WILLIAMSON AND TRAVIS COUNTY. SO, THOSE FACTORS WERE POSITION LEVEL AND RESPONSIBILITY. SO GREATER WEIGHT FOR HIGHER-LEVEL POSITIONS, SUCH AS DEPARTMENT HEAD, EDUCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS. GREATER WEIGHT FOR POSITIONS REQUIRING ADVANCED EDUCATION, SUCH AS A GRADUATE OR DOCTORAL DEGREE. EXPERIENCE REQUIREMENTS. GREATER WEIGHT FOR POSITIONS REQUIRING SIGNIFICANT PRIOR EXPERIENCE, SUCH AS SEVEN YEARS OR MORE. AND THEN POPULATION OF THOSE MARKET MATCHES CONSIDERS THE POPULATION OF THE COUNTIES WHERE VALID COMPARABLE POSITIONS WERE IDENTIFIED FOR THAT POSITION. SO, THE HIGHER THE POSITION SCORED ACROSS THESE FACTORS, THE GREATEST THE PERCENTAGE OF THE FULL MARET ADJUSTMENT WAS RECEIVED UNDER THE WEIGHTING METHODOLOGY. SO THE OVERALL FINDINGS OF THE WEIGHTED APPROACH: THE WEIGHTED METHODOLOGY WOULD GENERATE APPROXIMATELY 66,000 IN ESTIMATED SAVINGS ACROSS THESE 24 AFFECTED FTES, COMPARED WITH THE ORIGINAL MARKET METHODOLOGY. THE WEIGHTED APPROACH HAS NOT CONSISTENTLY CHANGED THE OUTCOME. FOR SEVERAL POSITIONS ALREADY AT OR ABOVE MARKET OR WHERE THE CALCULATOR ADJUSTMENT FALLS BELOW THE COUNTY'S 3% MINIMUM, THE EMPLOYEE'S ACTUAL ADJUSTMENT WOULD REMAIN ESSENTIALLY UNCHANGED. FOR POSITIONS BELOW MARKET, THE WEIGHING CAN LEAVE EMPLOYEES BELOW THE MARKET AVERAGE IDENTIFIED BY THE STUDY. AND IN SOME CASES, THE WEIGHTED CALCULATION ALSO CREATES GREAT PLACEMENT OR INTERNAL EQUITY CONCERNS, REQUIRING ADDITIONAL ADJUSTMENTS AND REDUCING THE PRACTICAL BENEFIT OF THE ALTERNATIVE METHODOLOGY. THE APPROACH WOULD ALSO ESTABLISH A DIFFERENT COMPENSATION METHODOLOGY FOR 24 FTES BASED ON PRIMARILY WHERE THEIR VALID MARKET MATCHES WERE FOUND, RATHER THAN APPLYING THE SAME MARKET METHODOLOGY USED FOR THE REMAINER OF THE CIVILIAN WORKFORCE. SO THE KEY TAKEAWAYS. THE MARKET COMPETITIVENESS DIRECTLY AFFECTED COUNTY OPERATIONS. CONSISTENCY AND EQUITY SHOULD GUIDE IMPLEMENTATION. APPLYING THE SAME OBJECTIVE MARKET METHODOLOGY ACROSS THE WORKFORCE PRESERVES EMPLOYEE TENURE AND AVOIDS INEQUITIES THAT CAN RESULT FROM SALARY THRESHOLDS, CAPS OR DIFFERENT METHODOLOGIES FOR SELECT EMPLOYEES. THIS STUDY FOCUSED ON EXTERNAL MARKET COMPETITIVENESS. INCLUDING POSITIONALITY RELATIONSHIPS, COMPRESSION, AND ORGANIZATIONAL ALIGNMENT.ÚTHE PS ALREADY CONCENTRATED ON THE LOWER-PAID EMPLOYEES. AGAIN, APPROXIMATELY 3.31 MILLION OF THE 4.84 MILLION WOULD GO TO THOSE EMPLOYEES CURRENTLY EARNING LESS THAN 80,000. AND THEN, OF COURSE, DELAYING OR ILLUSTRATING MARKET CORRECTIONS DID NOT ELIMINATE THE GAPS. IT CARRIES FORWARD. AND A CONSISTENT METHODOLOGY ADDRESSES CURRENT MARKET GAPS AND MOVES HAYS COUNTY CLOSER TO BECOMING AN EMPLOYER OF CHOICE. >> BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU. JORDAN, I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION OUT OF THE GATE. THE AGENDA ITEM, AS WRITTEN: DO WE HAVE IT WHERE IT IS ARTICULATING THAT THE COURT HAS SAID LAST TIME WE SPOKE OF THIS THAT THERE WAS SUPPORT FOR OPTION 2, WHICH WAS STAGGERED. 50%: IS THAT THE WAY THE AGENDA ITEM WAS WRITTEN, SO THAT I KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON? >> IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, JUDGE: THE WAY THE AGENDA ITEM IS WRITTEN WOULD ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT OPTION OR ANY OTHER OPTION THAT THE COURT HAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED OR MAYBE THERE'S AN OPTION THAT HAS COME UP IN BETWEEN. IT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO DISCUSS ANY OF THOSE OPTIONS.% KNOWING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED ONE, BUT IT'S OPEN TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHERS. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >> AND WE CAN FORMALIZE OUR VOCAL SUPPORT FROM LAST WEEK THROUGH THIS, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN? >> YES. I THINK IT LEAVES -- I THINK IT LEAVES IT OPEN FOR YOU TO DISCUSS ANY OF THOSE OPTIONS, KNOWING THAT Y'ALL HAD PREVIOUSLY KIND OF LEANED TOWARDS ONE, BUT I THINK IT LEAVES THE OPTIONS OPEN FOR YOU. >> I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE. COMMISSIONER INGALSBE? >> SO, JUDGE, CAN WE JUST LET THE SPONSORING -- >> SURE. WHATEVER. >> WELL, THE -- I KNOW WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION MULTIPLE TIMES, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY VOTED ON THE ADOPTION OF OPTION 2. SO, AT THIS POINT, UNLESS THERE IS A DRAFTED AMENDMENT TO NOT GO WITH OPTION 2, IT'S PURSUANT TO [01:50:05] AND MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR BUDGET. THE BUDGET, AS AMENDED RIGHT NOW, IS 1.26¢ OVER OUR CURRENT TAX RATE. AND WE CAN ADJUST THAT TODAY DURING OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP AT ANY TIME. HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW -- I WOULD JUST CLARIFY TO MY COLLEAGUES THAT WE ARE NOT AMENDING THE BUDGET THAT WAS GIVEN TO US A MONTH AND A HALF AGO. IN ORDER TO AMEND THE BUDGET AS ACCEPTED, WE'VE TAKEN VOTES ON EVERY SINGLE AMENDMENT THUS FAR. AND SO, IF THERE IS ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT, WE JUST NEED AMENDMENTS TO -- WHICH WOULD ADDRESS THE CHANGES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE. AND SO IF THERE'S -- IF THERE IS ANY ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION OR DISCUSSION RELATIVE TO THE CIVILIAN SALARY SURVEY THAT WAS DONE BY OUR HR DEPARTMENT, THIS HAPPENING THE TIME FOR THAT. RAYELLY DON'T HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS. I THINK WE'VE KIND OF COVERED IT AD NAUSEAM, AND I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE SURVEY, AS WRITTEN. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN? >> SAME. I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AGENDA ITEM AND WHAT WE'VE DECIDED AS A COURT TO DO. I THINK WE'VE KIND OF TALKED THIS TO DEATH, BUT I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE? >> SO, JUDGE, YOU KNOW, I JUST FELT THAT LAST WEEK WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO GET, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT SOME OF THOSE ISSUES WERE. YOU KNOW, AS ERIC MENTIONED, IT'S A 66,000-DOLLAR SAVINGS OVERALL. REALLY NOT A WHOLE LOT OF SAVINGS REGARDING THOSE. I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION, AND I'M HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAYBE LOOK PASSED THAT AND GET ON AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE ON, ERIC, THEN MAYBE WE -- MAYBE DO THINGS JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE POSITIONS EQUALLY, AND IF THERE AREN'T MATCHES, THEN, YOU KNOW... WE MAKE SOME KIND OF DETERMINATION. DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? >> WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY, YES, COMMISSIONER, AND WE DID EXPECT SOME OF THESE POSITIONS NOT TO GET FULL MARKET MATCHES, AND IN A TRADITIONAL, PERFECT BENCHMARK STUDY, YOU DO CHOOSE THE -- THERE'S ONLY A POSITION IN EACH PAY GRADE THAT'S USED AS A SATCHEA SAMPLE POSITION IN TH. BUT BECAUSE WE DID 100% OF POSITIONS, THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOME THAT DIDN'T HAVE AS STRONG MATCHES, SO I THINK IN FY 27, WE FOCUS ON INTERNAL EQUITY. ONCE THAT'S BEEN LOCKED IN, THEN WE PICK A POSITION FROM EACH PAY GRADE TO GO BACK TO THE MARKET AND USE THAT AS A COMPARISON FOR THAT PAY GRADE. >> LAST WEEK, I MADE SOME COMMENTS REGARDING THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE USED IN YEARS PAST, AND JUST FEELING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S TIME TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO OUR EMPLOYEES. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HAMMER? >> I WOULD HAVE APPRECIATED TO KNOW ALL OF -- YOU JUST HANDED ME 30 PAGES OF INFORMATION THAT I 100% CANNOT GO THROUGH IN TEN MINUTES. SO MY QUESTION IS, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THERE'S 46.5% OF THE 318 POSITION BLOCKS THAT DO NOT HAVE ANY LARGE COUNTY REPRESENTATION. SO, HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH WHAT THIS ALL -- THESE PAGES CAME WITH? LIKE, WHERE DID YOU PULL THOSE POSITIONS FROM? WHAT WAS YOUR -- I MEAN, I KNOW THAT WE WENT THROUGH A TON OF DIFFERENT VERBIAGE. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY COULD HAVE READ THROUGH THAT AND UNDERSTOOD 100% WHAT WAS GOING ON. >> WE WENT DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT LOOKING FOR THOSE POSITIONS THAT ONLY HAD ONE OR MORE OF THOSE THREE BIG COUNTY MATCHES. SO IF THERE WAS THREE BIG MATCHES BUT ANOTHER SMALL COUNTY, THAT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THIS LIST THAT YOU JUST GOT. SO IT'S ONLY THOSE POSITIONS THAT MATCH WITHIN THOSE THREE BIG COUNTIES. >> SO YOU DIDN'T WEIGHT IT BASED ON THEM NOT HAVING OR HAVING SMALL -- THE SMALLER COUNTIES THAT YOU ADDED TO? BECAUSE I ALSO THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING IF YOU LOOKED AT THE PRESENTATION. YOU SAID HOW WE CAME UP WITH THOSE 13 COMPARABLES. WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT SEPTEMBER 15TH OF 2025 AND HOW WE CAME UP WITH THOSE COMPARISONS, WE SAID, HEY, IS I. >> 30 AND 40% BELOW BUDGET AND 30 AND 40% BELOW POPULATION, RIGHT? >> CORRECT. >> I THINK IT WAS FIVE FROM WHAT THAT -- FIVE CAME UP WITH THAT. >> YES. >> THEN WE ADDED IN THE LARGER COUNTIES AND WE ADDED IN THE SMALLER COUNTIES TO -- >> BRANBALANCE IT OUT, EXACTLY. >> WE DIDN'T CARE IF THEY DID OR DID NOT HAVE SMALL COUNTY [01:55:02] REPRESENTATION, IS HOW YOU FOUND THESE? >> I WOULDN'T SAY WE DIDN'T CARE. IT WAS A REFLECTION OF WHERE THERE WERE MATCHES, AND FROM MY OPINION, I THINK THOSE ARE REALISTIC OR -- NOT REALISTIC. THOSE ARE -- IT JUST SHOWS WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY COMPETING FOR POSITIONS, RIGHT? WHERE THOSE LARGER COUNTIES ACTUALLY HAVE SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS. CHAPLAIN, RIGHT? NOT EVERYONE COUNTY HAS A CHAPLAIN PROGRAM. IT JUST SHOWS A REALISTIC COMPARABLE OF WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY COMPETING FOR THOSE TALENTS. >> AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE A PERFECT STUDY. I GET THAT. MY BIGGEST CONCERNS ARE -- I MEAN, THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT. THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT, ACROSS THE COUNTY, SMALL, LARGE, DOESN'T REALLY MATTER, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIND THOSE COMPARABLES BECAUSE WE ALL DO ROAD WORK, RIGHT? I FEEL LIKE, WHEN I LOOKED AT TRANSPORTATION, THEY HAD A LOT OF SMALL COUNTIES THAT WERE PULLING THEM IN A DIRECTION, RIGHT? NOT DOWN, NECESSARILY, BUT THEY HAD A TON OF SMALL COUNTY REPRESENTATION, AND LARGE COUNTY REPRESENTATION, WHICH REALLY GAVE A GOOD PICTURE OF WHERE THEY SHOULD BE IN THE MARKET, BUT I DON'T WANT THEM TO GET THE BRUNT OF NOT HAVING AN ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE THE OTHER PEOPLE DON'T HAVE SMALL COUNTIES. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> YES, IT DOES. BUT, AGAIN, I THINK IT SHOWS THAT THERE WAS SMALL COUNTIES THAT WE HAD DATA FOR THOSE POSITIONS, AND IT GOES BOTH WAYS, RIGHT? SO WE CAN ATTRACT CANDIDATES FROM CALDWELL, BLANCO, IN AN AREA SUCH AS HAYS. I THINK IT JUST SHOWS AN ACCURATE REFLECTION OF THE MARKET FOR THAT POSITION. >> AND DO YOU HAVE THE DATA ON ALL OF THE COUNTIES -- LIKE, IN TERMS OF TRAVIS AND WILLIAMSON AND BEAR COUNTY, HOW MANY POSITIONS WE'VE LOST? AND BY THE WAY, COURT REPORTERS IS ONE OF THE WORSE EXAMPLES YOU COULD HAVE GIVEN. BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER TYPE OF DATA THAT YOU COULD HAVE SHOWN ME FROM THAT? >> NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, COMMISSIONER. >> I FEEL LIKE I WAS THE ONE THAT DUG MOST INTO THIS STUDY AND UNDERSTANDING THE NUMBERS AND THE JUSTIFICATION FOR IT, AND I TRULY WANT TO BE THERE AND SUPPORT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IS ACTUALLY BE DERIVED FROM THESE NUMBERS, SO I WOULD HAVE APPRECIATED TO KNOW THESE 30 PLUS PAGES OF WORK THAT I'M SURE IS GREAT. I JUST HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO REVIEW. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH? >> ONE OF THE THINGS -- AND THIS IS JUST IN THE WAY BACK MACHINE, BACK IN 2022. >> DID YOU SAY "WAY BACK MACHINE? > THAT'S RIGHT. Select to skip to this part of the video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iscussion and possible action to set the Fiscal Year 2027 salaries and allowances for Hays County Elected Officials with possible action regarding the recommendation of the Hays County Salary Grievance Committee related to FY 2027 salary grievances filed by elected officials. BECERRA/WOODLAND] OUT AND THEN WE'LL GO TO OUR WORKSHOP. K13. >> K13, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO SET THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 SALARIES AND ALLENSES FOR HAYS COUNCIL'S WITH POSSIBLE ACTION FOR THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE RELATED TO THE FY2027 SALARY GRIEVANCES FILED BY ELECTED OFFICIALS. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> PLEASE -- IS IT A WRITTEN? PLEASE READ THAT IN-PERSON. OKAY. CALL THEIR NAME FOR ME. >> AMANDA CALVERT. >> HELLO, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO ME TODAY. JUDGES -- OR JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. I'M SURE OR AT LEAST I HOPE Y'ALL HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO REVIEW THE SALARY GRIEVANCE HEARING SO I'LL BE BRIEF. ALL OF YOU KNOW HOW AND WHY I WAS ELECTED TO MY CURRENT OFFICE WITH THE RESIGNATION OF OUR FORMER DISTRICT CLERK AND HAY'S COUNTY WHEN YOU ARE ELECTED TO ANOTHER TERM YOU RECEIVE A REELECTION SALARY INCREASE ON A TIERED SYSTEM. THIS INCREASE IS 12% UPON REELECTION FOR EACH TIER. MY SITUATION IS UNIQUE BECAUSE I WAS NOT APPOINTED TO MY POSITION I WAS ELECTED. AND DUE TO ME RUNNING UNOPPOSED THIS YEAR I AM ALMOST CERTAINLY BE REELECTED IN NOVEMBER. I WILL HAVE ONLY SERVED TWO YEARS COMING IN JANUARY WHEN THE 12% INCREASE WOULD TAKE EFFECT THAT'S WHY I'M ONLY ASKING FOR A 6% INCREASE FOR MY REELECTION. NOW YOU MIGHT BE THINKING YOU'VE ONLY SERVED TWO YEARS WHY BRING THIS UP NOW AND I'M BEING RE-ELECTED AND IF I BRING IT UP IN 2 MORE YEARS THE ARGUMENT WILL BE THE OPPOSITE SURE YOU SERVED FOUR YEARS BUT YOU'RE NOT BEING RE-ELECTED. ALSO AT THAT TIME I WOULD BE REQUESTING 12%. AND 12% OVER TWO YEARS IS THE SAME AS 6% OVER 4 YEARS. IT'S MATHICALLY A SIMILAR ARGUMENT SO I THINK THE BEST TIME TO ADDRESS IT IS NOW. IF THIS INCREASE WERE DENIED I WOULD HAVE TO WEIGHT OVER 6 YEARS AND BE ELECTED THREE TIMES TO RECEIVE A REELECTION SALARY INCREASE. I PRESENTED MY CASE TO THE SALARY GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE AND IT WAS NEARLY UNANIMOUS MINUS ONE DISSENTING VOTE. I HOPE THIS REQUEST MAKES SENSE TO Y'ALL AND I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO LEAVE IT Y'ALL'S HANDS TO DISCERN WHAT TO DO IN THIS SITUATION AS INDIVIDUALS WHO ALL KNOW WHAT IT MEANS AND WHAT IT TAKES TO GET ELECTED MUCH LESS RE-ELECTED. I'M SUPER GLAD THIS CAME UP AFTER YOU GUYS DECIDED ON THE SALARIES I WOULD NOT BE REQUESTING THIS IF MY EMPLOYEES DID NOT GET A SALARY INCREASE. THAT IS ALL. >> PERFECT. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT IN THIS AGENDA ITEM AM I RIGHT? AND SO COMMISSIONERS I'M GOING TO PASS IT TO JORDAN IN A MINUTE BUT I WILL SAY I PRESIDED OVER THIS HEARING, OF COURSE, AS I ALWAYS DO AND IT IS RECAPPED EXACTLY RIGHT ALMOST UNANIMOUS AND WHEN IT IS A UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FROM THAT GRIEVANCE BODY, WE'RE MANDATED, WE MUST. BUT SHE HAD THE CHANCE TO -- THE CHANCE WAS THERE TO DO THE 12% [02:10:05] AND I'M GLAD IT WAS BROUGHT BACK UP BECAUSE IT'S A VERY FAIR MATH FROM BEING THE PRESIDING OFFICER OVER THAT HEARING OF THE 6%. IT'S A VERY REASONABLE REQUEST. SO I THOUGHT IT WAS WORTHY OF PROVIDING IT PERSONALLY. BUT I DIDN'T SAY THAT OUT LOUD IN THAT SPACE. >> JUDGE, WE DIDN'T -- OH I DIDN'T GET ANY PAPERWORK REGARDING THAT. SO THANK YOU, AMANDA FOR BEING HERE. >> AND JORDAN WILL GIVE US A RECAP. >> OKAY GOOD. >> I'M HAPPY TO GIVE YOU A QUICK RECAP AND I THINK SCOTT HAS A LOT TO ADD. SO TURN IT OVER TO SCOTT AND THEN ANSWER SOME MORE QUESTIONS. >> STATE YOUR NAME AND TITLE. >> JORDAN, FIRST ASSISTANT. SO WE DID HAVE TWO GRIEVANCES IN THE GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE HEARD WE HAD AS YOU HEARD MS. AMANDA SAL VERT AND WE ALSO HAD MS. JENNIFER ETCH ESCOBAR. WITH OUR SIX ELECTED AND THREE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. AS A JUDGE ALLUDED TO JUST A MINUTE AGO, THE GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE, THE 9 MEMBERS WILL VOTE ON AN INCREASE RELATED TO THOSE TWO GRIEVANCES IF ALL 9 MEMBERS WERE UNANIMOUS IN THAT IT WOULDN'T EVEN BE COMING TO THE COURT IT WOULD BE MANNED DOIR AS THE JUDGE MENTIONED. IF IT'S BETWEEN 6 AND 8 MEMBERS IT BECOMES DISCRETIONARY UPON THE COURT ON WHETHER OR NOT TO TAKE THAT -- I'M SORRY, WHETHER OR NOT TO GIVE THAT INCREASE THAT'S BEEN SUGGESTED BY THE SALARY GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE. AND THIS INSTANCE AS MS. CALVERT AND JUDGE BECERRA MENTIONED MS. CALVERT HAD 8-1 FAVOR IN SALARY INCREASE AND I'M GOING TO SAY THE NUMBER I BELIEVE IT WAS 121,760 WHICH IS REPRESENTATIVE OF A PARTIAL TERM, SCOTT CAN GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. AND THEN MS. JENNIFER ESCOBAR HAD A VOTE OF 7-2 IN FAVOR OF HER REQUESTED SALARY INCREASE OF 1 124,196 WHICH AS WELL MAKES IT DISCRETIONARY UPON THE COURT. JUST TO COME FULL CIRCLE, ANYTHING BELOW SIX VOTES IN FAVOR OF THAT FOR THE SALARY GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE WOULD NOT COME TO THE COURT AT ALL. IT'S JUST WE'LL SAY THAT IN A LO LOTTER AT THAT POINT. I KNOW SCOTT HAS THE MORE DETAILED FINANCIAL PIECE INFORMATION FOR YOU GUYS. >> OKAY. SCOTT, TITLE AND NAME PLEASE. >> SCOTT WOODLAND, BUDGET OFFICER AND THANK YOU FOR THAT JORDAN, HER NUMBERS WERE SPOT ON AND THE RATIONALE WAS EXPLAINED AS WELL. FOR AMANDA WE DID A COMMISERATE PERCENTAGE TO HER YEARS IN OFFICE AND THEN SHE HAD A CALCULATION THAT I RERAN AND HAD A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE ON THAT NUMBER BUT IT WAS A -- IT WAS A CALCULATION BASED OFF THE YEARS OF SERVICE SHE DID AND IT WAS PROPORTIONAL TO WHAT SHE WOULD HAVE RECEIVED HAD SHE DONE THE FULL YEARS ONLY THE PROPORTION FOR THE TIME THAT SHE SERVED. AND THEN JORDAN WAS ALSO CORRECT >> JORDAN YOU DON'T HEAR ALL VERY OFTEN, DO YOU. I'M JUST KIDDING. >> SHE WAS ALSO CORRECT ON JENNIFER ESCOBAR TAX COLLECTOR AND THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO BE $124,196 AND THAT WAS BASED KIND OF LOOKING AT SOME NUMBERS AND KIND OF ELIMINATING SOME OF THE SMALLER COUNTIES THAT DID NOT PERFORM THE SAME LEVEL AND TYPE OF DUTIES THAT SHE DOES. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE I'M LOOKING AT YOU, SORRY. >> SO THIS IS THE ITEM THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE ON FOR THOSE -- OKAY. SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE DISTRICT COURT CLERK QUESTIO AT 6% AND I APPRECIATE THAT CONSIDERATION OF THAT AMOUNT OF INCREASE AND NOT THE FULL 12%. >> WHAT ABOUT THE TAX THIS IS A TWO PERSON AGENDA. >> I THINK I PREFER TO HOLD OFF ON THAT ONE, JUDGE. >> AND I WANT TO REITERATE THE REASON FOR THE EDIT REQUEST WAS THERE WAS A -- IN THE ASSESSMENT THERE WERE POSITIONS THAT WERE NOT DOING THE SAME WORK TAX COLLECTEN, ET CETERA, MAYBE JUST FOR THE HECK OF IT DO YOU MIND JENNIFER TO SPEAK ON THE DIFFERENCE AND I'M SORRY TO DO THIS TO YOU BUT I DON'T WANT TO BUTCHER IT BUT THERE'S A HUGE BLOCK OF WHAT YOU DO THAT OTHERS DON'T THAT SKEWED THAT SCORE. >> YES. SO I DO HAVE A SMALL PRESENTATION. [02:15:03] GOOD MORNING JENNIFER ESCOBAR AND TAX -- FOR HAYS COUNTY. BY SALARY SCHEDULED TO BE 1 120 $1,206.36 -- I'M ASKING IT TO BE SET AT $124,196. LET ME EXPLAIN WHERE THOSE NUMBERS COME FROM. HUMAN RESOURCES COMPARED MY POSITION TO SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND CALCULATED ORIGINAL AVERAGE OF 1OF 111,000. I UNDERSTAND WHY GEOGRAPHY IS PART OF THE ANALYSIS AND WHY THEY SELECTED COUNTIES WITHIN THE LABOUR MART. SEVERAL OF THESE OFFICES DO NOT PERFORM THE SAME WORK. CALLDWELL TAX ASSESSORS DO NOT COLLECT PROPERTY TAXES. HAYS DOES WHEN THOSE THREE OFFICES ARE REMOVED FROM HR COMPARISON THE AVERAGE OF THE REMAINING COUNTIES WHOSE TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTORS ALSO PERFORM PROPERTY TAX COLLECTION IS APPROXIMATELY $124,196. I BELIEVE IT IS A MORE FUNCTIONALLY COMPARABLE AVERAGE WITHIN HR'S OWN STUDY. I'M NOT ASKING THE COURT TO THROW OUT HR ANALYSIS AND NOT ASKING TO BE PAID AT THE TRAVIS, WILL IMSOME OR BEAR COUNTY BY WHETHER THE OFFICES BEING COMPARED ARE ACTUALLY PERFORMING COMPARABLE WORK. SAME TITLE DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN THE SAME JOB. THANK YOU. >> SO COLLECTING OF TAXING, CAN YOU SAY IN A PERCENTAGE AND/OR OVERSIGHT OF PEOPLE THAT GO INTO THE COLLECTION OF PROPERTY TAXES FROM YOUR OFFICE THAT THE SIZE OF THE WORK THAT YOU OVERSEE HAVING THAT INCLUDED THAT WASN'T ORIGINALLY INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL PRICE. >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND >> HOW BIG IS IT IN YOUR FOOTPRINT OF A JOB, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE JOB DOES IT TAKE. >> WE COLLECT 60% OF THE COUNTY'S REVENUE WHERE THESE OTHER THREE COUNTIES DON'T COLLECT PROPERTY TAXES AT ALL. I'M JUST ASKING TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES. >> AND I APPRECIATE THAT, I DID KNOW YOU WERE HERE TO BRING THAT UP, YOU KNOW, I GUESS MY CONCERN THOUGH IS HERE WE GO AGAIN, RIGHT, WITH THE MARKET. SO ARE WE GOING TO COMPARE EVERY EVERYBODY'S? YOU KNOW IF WE FEEL WE'RE NOT MAKING WHAT WE SHOULD BE MAKING ARE WE GOING TO SELECT WHAT ELECTED -- AND COMMISSIONE. >> COMMISSIONER JUST TO WEIGH IN A TINY AMOUNT THIS IS BEING FRAMED A LITTLE DIFFERENT TO FRAME THAT QUESTION A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY WENT THROUGH THE SALARY GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE. ONLY BECAUSE THEY WENT AND WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS. >> RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. I'LL CONSIDER. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> I'M SUPPORTIVE OF BOTH REQUESTS. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YOU'RE ASKING FOR A 3.22% RAISE. >> YES, MA'AM. >> I THINK JUSTIFICATION AGAIN, I THINK MARKET STUDIES IT CAN GO CRAZY. I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHY A GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE WAS CREATED IN THE SAME PLACE BECAUSE IT WAS TO PROTECT ELECTED OFFICIAL FROM A ROGUE COMMISSIONER'S COURT IN THAT SO I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK BUT THIS IS THE CHANCE FOR YOU TO SAY YOUR PIECE. SO WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR MARKET STUDY I'M SUPPORTIVE, WHEN IT COMES TO MS. CALVERT FIRST OF ALL, THE MESS YOU PROBABLY INHERITED, ONE, TWO, THE FACT THAT YOU HAD TO RUN A CAMPAIGN HERE TWICE AND JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT GOES I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AS WELL. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> I'VE GOT TWO THINGS I WANT TO SAY, THE FIRST IS WHEN WE ADOPTED THE SALARY LADDER FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS WAS THAT FOUR YEARS AGO? THREE YEARS AGO? THE FIRST TIME WE DID IT, THE TWO OF Y'ALL WERE HERE. >> I DON'T REMEMBER >> WE WERE HAVING MULTIPLE GRIEVANCES A YEAR MOSTLY FROM OUR CONSTABLES AND OUR SHERIFF. AD WE TRIED TO ALLEVIATE THAT. WE PUT THIS IN PLACE AND I WILL SAY THAT THE ONE THING I WISH AND I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO CONSIDER IN CHANGING THAT SALARY SCHEDULE OR THAT SALARY LADDER IS THAT IN CASES WE HAD MULTIPLE CASES SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND WE'VE HAD ONE COUNTY LAW JUDGE WE'VE HAD A CONSTABLE WE'VE HAD MS. CALVERT COME IN AND SERVE OUT A TERM FOR SOMEONE ELSE. HAVING THEM AT THAT TIER ONE AT THE BEGINNING I THINK JUST ADOPTING A POLICY STATING THAT ONCE THEY ARE ELECTED EVEN IF THEY HAD SERVED THEY SHOULD BE MOVED TO TIER TWO. I THINK THAT SOLVES THIS ISSUE. AND I THINK THAT I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE'VE ALREADY SERVED TWO YEARS IN THAT OFFICE IF THEY ARE ELECTED. >> AND IT PUTS THEM IN THE [02:20:01] CADENCE IT'S A GOOD IDEA. >> PUTS THEM IN THE REGULAR CADENCE. >> IT'S A GOOD IDEA. >> THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT THESE ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT -- I CONSIDER THESE TWO VERY DIFFERENT. AND IF I -- I WILL TELL YOU THAT EVERYTHING SINGLE CONSTABLE OF OURS WILL TELL YOU I'VE BEEN MORE SPEVE SUPPORTIVE OF THEM FOR EVERY REQUEST THEY'VE HAD, I'VE BROUGHT 90% OF REQUESTS TO THIS COURT EVEN IF THEY WERE OUTSIDE MY PRECINCT. BUT I HAVE TOLD EVERY ONE OF THEM THAT YOU WERE ELECTED AND YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE WHEN YOU WERE ELECTED. AND I WOULD CONSIDER THAT I KNEW WHAT I WAS GOING TO MAKE FOR THE FIRST FOUR YEARS AND I'VE NEVER ANTICIPATED EVER GETTING A PAY RAISE AND I WAS HERE FOR QUITE A WHILE BEFORE WE EVER DID AND THE LAST PAY RICE FOR COMMISSIONERS PRIOR TO IN 2022 WAS IN 2008 AND I KNEW WHAT I WAS GOING TO GET PAID. I THINK THERE'S TWO VERY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS AND I APOLOGIZE IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU I HAD THE SAME CONSIDERATION WITH OUR CONSTABLES OVER TIME BUT I FIND IT VERY HARD TO ADJUST TO SALARY WITHIN SOMEONE'S FIRST TERM WHENEVER WE KNEW. WE DON'T DO THIS TO MAKE A KILLING AND MAKE A LOT OF MONEY OUT THERE. WE DO THIS BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC SERVICE AND I TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHENEVER I DECIDED TO RUN AND I HOPE THAT ALL OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS DID. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SO THE MOTION -- I'M GOING T FRAME IT JUST SIMPLY TO ACCEPT, THE MAJORITY VOTED IN THEIR FAVOR DURING THE COMMITTEES SO THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO SAY THE MOTION AS NOT A MUST OR SHALL. >> I WOULD LIKE TOER CAN THESE SEPARATELY IF POSSIBLE. >> YOU WANT TO CONSIDER THEM SEP SEPARATELY? >> JORDAN POWELL, FIRST ASSISTANT, SO I THINK ACTUALLY WE NEED THREE PARTS AND SCOTT AND CANDICE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG I WOULD SAY PART ONE, MS. CALVERT GRIEVANCE AND THE SALARY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, PART TWO MS. ESCOBAR GRIEVANCE AND THE SALARY SET WITH THAT AND PART THREE IS FOR ALL THE OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS SALARY. IT'S REALLY A THREE-PART ITEM IF YOU WILL. >> THAT'S A DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEM. >> NO, IT'S ALL ONE. >> IT'S ALL TOGETHER. >> IT'S ALL IN THE SAME ONE. IN THAT CASE, FINE. LET'S MAKE THE FIRST MOTION TO ACCEPT THE 3% FOR MS. CALVERT AND WHAT ELSE DO WE ADD. >> I THINK IT'S 6%. >> I'M SORRY. I SAID THREE BY ACCIDENT. 6% FOR MS. CALVERT IS THE FIRST MOTION. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> YOU'RE GOOD? PLEASE CALL ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES AND THE MOTION NEXT IS TO DO OUR TAX ASSESSOR MS. ESCOBAR TO THE REQUESTED AMOUNT TO BE THE PERCENTAGE THAT PUTS IT TO 3.22%. >> SO MOVED. >> WAS IT 3.22%. >> YEP. >> THAT'S THE 3 STUCK IN MY HEAD. 2. -- PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> 15 MINUTE RECESS WE'RE GOING TO GO STRAIGHT TO RECESS. OH THE THIRD ONE, SORRY. I'M TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THAT CLOCK. >> PART THREE. >> I GOT TWO CLOCKS OVER HERE. SORRY. COMMISSIONER, WE'RE GOING. >> I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO ADOPT THE ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES WITH THE TWO AMENDMENTS ADOPTED IN COURT TODAY. >> SECOND. >> AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER THEM LINE BY LINE PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES. JUST LIKE THAT WE'RE 15 MINUTE. >>> OKAY. WE'RE ON. THANK YOU. SO PLEASE OPEN K12. [K.12. 11:00 A.M. - Hold a final public hearing for the Fiscal Year 2027 Hays County Proposed Budget. Possible action may follow. BECERRA/WOODLAND (Part 1 of 2)] >> K12, 11 A.M., HOLD A FINAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FIVSCAL YEAR 2027 PROPOSED HI'S COUNTY BUDGET POSSIBLE ACTION MAY FOLLOW. >> SECOND. >> WE ARE OPENING THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING AND WE HAVE SOME COMMENTS. LET'S START WITH THAT. >> WE HAVE ONE EMAIL FROM CONNIE GREY. >> CAN YOU REPEAT THE NAME PLEASE. >> CONNIE GREY. >> SHE WRITES, I'M A POSED TO XRON AND I'M APPALLED WHEN THE BUDGET CAN'T BE BALANCED THE COURT IS CONSIDERING A WASTE OF FUND. IF THE COURT WANTS TO SPEND MONEY WISELY THEY SHOULD BRING STAFF COMPENSATION IN LINE WITH THE MARKET AND ASK ON ERICA'S [02:25:01] PANEL RECOMMENDATIONS. NO ONE WHO SUPPORTS AXON DESERVES ANY VOTES IN REELECTION. >> ANYONE IN THE COURT ROOM WANT TO SPEAK AGAINST THE AGENDA. >> GOOD MORNING, I APPRECIATE THE TIME. ANTHONY, SHERIFF OF HAY'S COUNTY. JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS I JUST WANT TO CLEAR UP SOME MISCONCESSIONS ON WHAT XON AI ERA ACTUALLY IS. I'VE HEARD IN COURT AND ALSO ON SOCIAL MEDIA THIS IS COMPARABLE TO FLOCK AND THE LPR SYSTEMS AT A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT COMPANIES USE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS NOT THAT AT ALL, IT'S QUITE THE OPPOSITE ACTUALLY EVERYTHING WE'RE USING XON AI ERA FOR IS EVERYTHING THAT'S CAPTURED WITHIN OUR BODY CAMERA THAT WE WEAR THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO WEAR BACK IN 1998 BUT OVER THE TIME WE'VE LEARNED HE'S BODY CAMERAS FOR VALUABLE FOR US AS LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE COMMUNITY. EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO OUR EVIDENCE.COM SYSTEM IS ALL INTERNAL. EVERYTHING THAT WE DOWNLOAD FROM OUR BODY CAMERAS AS WELL AS OUR FLEET CAMERAS IS WHAT GOES IN TO OUR EVIDENCE.COM AND THAT'S WHAT WE WILL USE TO XON AI ERA PACKAGE FOR TO USE TO TACKLE THAT DATABASE, THAT INTERNAL DATABASE. IT'S NOT FROM OUTSIDE CAMERAS, IT'S NOT FROM RING CAMERAS, IT'S NOT FROM LPR CAMERAS, IT'S FROM THE DATA THAT WE ALREADY COLLECT AND HAVE BEEN COLLECTING FOR DECADES. AGAIN, IT'S FROM OUR BODY CAMERAS, IT'S FROM OUR FLEET CAMERA, AND IT'S FROM EVERYTHING THAT WE PUT IN MANUALLY FROM OUR EVIDENCE.COM PACKAGE. SO THE 16 OR 17 DIFFERENT AI -- THE PACKAGE THAT IT COMES WITH, THOSE PIECES OF THAT PACKAGE TACKLE THE INTERNAL DATABASE WHICH IS EVIDENCE.COM. SO IT'S NOT COMING FROM LPR CAMERAS. IT'S NOT COMING FROM COURTHOUSE CAMERAS IT'S COMING FROM CAMERA THAT IS WE ALREADY USE ON A 24 HOUR BASIS AND HAYS COUNTY. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? OKAY. >> BRETT BAILEY, CHIEF SHERIFF, HAY'S COUNTY SHERIFF OFFICE I WANT TO ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS REAL QUICK AND NUMBER ONE I HEARD A COMMENT THIS MORNING I WANTED TO COMMENT ON AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN MISSPEAKING BUT I THINK A COMMENT WAS MADE SAM MARCUS HAS NO LONGER DECIDED TO USE XON AND I KNOW THEY HAVE 2 AND A HALF YEARS LEFT ON THEIR CONTRACT. I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT AND REMIND EVERYONE THAT THIS IS NOT ASKING FOR OFFICIAL FUNDS. ZSH ADDITIONAL FUNDS THIS IS A ONE FOR ONE I'M GIVING UP TO GET. AND I THINK THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS AGENDA ITEM? I MEAN THE WORKSHOP -- IN THE WORKSHOP. COME ON UP. I'M SO USED TO SAYING THIS AGENDA ITEM. >> GREG COX, FIRST ASSISTANT FROM THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, I WANT TO ECHO SOME OF THE COMMENTS A LOT OF THE INFORMATION PRESENTED TO YOU BY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IS JUST FLAT FALSE. THE INFORMATION GATHERED USING THESE CAMERAS IS USED AS EVIDENCE IN CRIMINAL CASES, IT IS STORIED IN SECURE CLOUD BASED ENVIRONMENTS. IT CANNOT BE ACCESSED BY ANYONE WITHOUT PERMISSION TO ACCESS IT. THEY SHARE IT WITH US TO BE ABLE TO USE IT AS EVIDENCE IN CRIMINAL CASES. IT'S NOT SHARED WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES OR ANYONE ELSE AND THAT DATA IS VIABLE AS EVIDENCE IN CASES. JURORS EXPECT US TO BRING THAT EVIDENCE. IF WE DID NOT BRING THAT EVIDENCE WE CANNOT OBTAIN CONVICTIONS. THOSE CAMERAS THAT THE OFFICERS ARE WEARING ON THEIR BODIES EXIST TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC FROM EXCESSIVE FORCE OR MISTREATMENT BY LAW ENFORCEMENT. IF ANYTHING HAPPENS THAT STRIPS THOSE CAMERAS OFF OF THOSE OFFICERS, THOSE OFFICERS ARE FREE TO MISBEHAVE AND I PROSECUTED BACK BEFORE BODY CAMS EXITED AND WE'VE HAD DEFENCE ATTORNEYINGS COMING AND TELLING US THEY BEAT MY CLIENT UP AND WE HAVE NO WAY TO IDENTIFY IF THAT WAS TRUE OR NOT AND WE DO. WE MAKE THOSE FOR DECISIONS IF WE SEE EXCESSIVE FORCE OR UNFAIR LAW ENFORCEMENT WE DECLAN CASES AND CONTACT STAFF AT LAW ENFRCEMENT AGENCIES AND INSIST THEY RETRAIN OFFICERS OR FIRE OR SUSPEND OR -- PROTECTING THE PUBLIC FROM THE ABUSE BY LAW ENFORCEMENT AND PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN CAUGHT UP IN AI AND FLOCK HYSTERIA AND THEY ARE CONFLATING ISSUES, XON AND AN IMPORTANT TOOL TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC AND THE AI TOOL THAT IS ARE USED ARE THE THINGS THAT ALLOW US AND WE [02:30:05] CAME IN HERE ASKING FOR XON JUSTICE TO SERVE AS OUR SUPPORT FOR THE STORAGE OF ALL THE DIGITAL EVIDENCE AND OUR TECH SYSTEM IT'S THE SAME SORT OF THING I WAS ABLE TO TELL YOU THAT I WAS DROPPING A REQUEST FOR MULTIPLE LEGAL ASSISTANTS BECAUSE THE AI TOOLS WITHIN THAT ALLOW US TO AUTOMATICALLY TRANSCRIBE VIDEOS BECAUSE WHEN A CASE COMES IN YOU MAY HAVE FIVE OR SIX OFFICERS ON SCENE AND AS A PROS KULTER WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO WATCH ALL THOSE VIDEO BUZZ WE CAN CREATE TRIBUTES AND WORD SEARCH THEM AND FIND THE IMPORTANT PARTS OF THAT AND THE DEFENCE CORNERS CAN UTILIZE THAT AND FIND THINGS IMPORTANT FOR THEM. THIS IS GOOD FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND I JUST WANT TO CLEAR UP SOME OF THE FALSE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THIS COURT BY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? GOING UNDEONCE. GOING TWICE. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SCOTT. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. I THINK WE'RE ALMOST AT AFTERNOON BUT I THINK WE'RE STILL TECHNICALLY AT MORNING. >> I'M PUSHING THE BEST I CAN, BUDDY AND WE'RE STILL BEHIND. >> YOU'RE DOING GOOD, JUDGE. SO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS ON THE PROPOSED AND SEE IF THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO END UP. AS COMMISSIONER SMITH SAID EARLIER WE HAVE MADE MOTIONS TO APPROVE A LOT OF ITEMS, NOW I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S SET IN STONE BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH AND MAKE MOTIONS TO DISAPPROVE ITEM THAT IS HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. AND IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD BUT I THINK WE'RE SEEING THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL AND I THINK IT'S JUST THIS KIND OF HUMP TO GET OVER AND MAKE SURE KIND OF WE COME TO A CONCLUSION ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE TAX RATE AND WHAT WE WANT THAT TO FIND. WITHOUT FURTHER ADIEU LET'S GO TO THE FIRST SLIDE I THINK THIS IS THE MOST PRESSING THAT MAY WARRANT DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGE I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW I GAVE YOU A HANDOUT SO IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE READABLE FROM THE PAPER. BUT I WANT TO GO OVER THIS AND WHAT YOU SEE UP THERE IS WHAT IS MAKING UP THE 1.26% INCREASE IN THE MNO RATE THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND WE APPROVE MOTIONS AT THE LAST COURT. THAT IS THE CEILING HENCE THE NAME AT THE TOP OF THIS SLIDE THAT THAT IS OUR MAX. WE CAN COME DOWN FROM THAT, WE CANNOT GO OVER THAT. SO WHAT YOU SEE AT THE TOP THERE HIGHLIGHTED IN GREY, THOSE ARE ALL THE ITEMS THAT HAVE HAD MOTIONS PASSED THROUGH PAST COURTS. AND THEN DOWN BELOW THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE WHITE, WE HAVE THE CIVILIAN BILINGUAL PAY, THAT WAS SOMETHING DISCUSSED BUT NEVER ACTUALLY APPROVED THROUGH MOTIONS AND THEN YOU HAVE THE NEW WORLD ERP CLOUD, THAT IS -- ONCE AGAIN, THAT WAS DISCUSSED AS WELL BUT WAS NOT APPROVED THROUGH MOTIONS. AND THEN FINALLY I HAVE THE POTENTIAL RESERVES DOWN THERE AND THAT'S KIND OF THE -- THAT IS THE REMAINDER FROM THE 1.26 CENTS AFTER EVERYTHING WAS CLEANED UP ON THE TOP, THAT IS WHAT WOULD BE REMAINING -- THE TERMINOLOGY I USE IS POTENTIAL RESERVES. THAT WOULD GIVE US THE OPTION IF THE COURT SO SOUGHT IF WE KEPT THAT RATE, I COULD REDUCE WHAT OUR ONE-TIME USE OF RESERVES ARE AND ESSENTIALLY HELP BUDGET A MORE BALANCED BUDGET TO BE A LITTLE MORE FISCAL LY RESPONSIBE MOVING FORWARD. LIKEWISE, THAT AMOUNT COULD BE APPLIED TO OTHER ITEMS AS WELL, EITHER NEW POSITIONS, CONTRACT SERVICES, CAPITAL ITEMS BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THE OPTIONS PRESENTED TO THE COURT AND I KNOW REALLY WHERE WE WANT TO END UP IS -- IS THIS WHAT WE WANT. DO WE WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT I THINK NOW IS THE TIME FOR DISCUSSION ON THAT AND TO BE ABLE TO PROGRESS AND MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON OUR TAX RATE AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO FUND SO THAT WE CAN FINALIZE THE BUDGET. I'D LIKE TO FIRST AND FOREMOST OPEN THIS TO THE COURT. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER, WHAT YOU JUST MISSED WAS. >> I WAS WATCHING IT. I WAS PUMPING AND WATCHING IT. >> JUST TO REITERATE FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC THIS IS WHAT IS CONSTITUTING THE TAX INCREASE DOLLAR AMOUNT AND THE TAX RATE [02:35:06] AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE'VE VOTED AS A COURT WE CAN COME DOWN STILL AT THIS POINT FROM THIS LIST WE JUST CAN'T GO UP SO YOU SAY THERE'S A CHANCE. >> I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE COURT FOR DISCUSSION ON THAT I'M GOING TO SIT DOWN AT MY COMPUTER SO I CAN MAKE ANY CHANGES SO WE CAN WORK ON GETTING THIS ALL UPD UPDATED. >> JUST AS A REMINDER AS WE MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE BUDGET AS WE CURRENTLY HAVE ADOPTED, ONCE WE MAKE -- BEFORE WE CAN GO AND MAKE THAT FINAL ADOPTION, GENERALLY SCOTT WILL RUN OUT AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND GET PRINTOUTS AND BRING IT BACK AND THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR FINALIZED MOTION. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMISSIONER SMITH AND ALONG THOSE LINES, I DON'T WANT TO BOTTLENECK TO COURT I WILL NOT PRINT OUT NEW FULL REVENUE AND EXPENSE DETAILS. I LEARNED MY LESSON LAST TIME THAT WILL BOTTLENECK US AND KEEP US LATE I WILL RUN EFFECTS THROUGH THE BUDGET RECAP SO WE CAN ALL SEE WHERE WE END UP AT. >> THANK YOU. >> SCOTT, I WANTED TO ASK, THE DA'S POSITION THAT IS ARE UP THERE, DID WE ACTUALLY APPROVE THOSE OR DID WE SAY WE WERE GOING TO PUT MONEY ASIDE WHEN THE NEW DA CAME INTO OFFICE AND THEN WE WOULD MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS. >> SO IT WAS ACTUALLY DISCUSSED IN COURT THAT WHAT WE WOULD DO WITH THOSE FUNDS WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY SET THOSE ASIDE SINCE THEY ARE REGRADE AND AS THAT MONEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED WITH THE REST OF THE REGRADES ON 4-1 WHEN WE'RE DOING THAT. THAT WAY THE NEW DA WILL BE HERE AND THEN IT'S ALSO GOING TO FOLLOW OUR POLICY. WITH THAT BEING SAID WHAT I HAVE DONE WITH THOSE FUNDS IS I HAVE SET THEM ASIDE SO THAT THEY WILL NOT BE USED DURING COMFORT. I HAVE SET THEM ASIDE IN COUNTY WIDE UNTIL THAT 4-1 DATE UNTIL WHICH TIME WE WILL EVALUATE AND DETERMINE WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THOSE FUNDS. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. >> OKAY AND THEN THE NEW ATTORNEY REMENTAL HEALTH AND JUNO PROGRAMS, I DON'T RECALL, IT'S BEEN A WHILE DID WE APPROVE THAT POSITION IN THERE AND WE'RE PUTTING THAT ASIDE ALSO. >> THAT POSITION WAS APPROVED AS WELL. GIVE ME ONE SECOND, I BELIEVE WE MOVED THAT TO 1-1 BUT LET ME. >> WE DID. >> YES, COMMISSIONER. WE HAVE SO THAT POSITION WOULD BE STARTING 1-1. AND I CAN CONFIRM THAT THAT FISCAL IMPACT FOLLOWS THAT. >> SO GIVEN THE ONES THAT WE HAVEN'T ADOPTED OR LOOKED AT YET, THE TWO WOULD BE THE NEW WORLD ERP CLOUD AND THE CIVILIAN BILINGUAL PAY. I'M GOING TO WAIT FOR THE JUDGE TO GET BACK UP HERE. NO, IT'S OKAY. I WOULD MOVE FOR ADOPTION OF THE NEW WORLD ERP CLOUD AND I SAY THAT AND I WANT TO DISCUSS THAT SPECIFIC ITEM, I KNOW THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD MARISOL HAVE WE BEEN WAITED FOR A SOFTWARE UPGRADE THERE ON THE NEW WORLD ERP. >> SO WE'VE BEEN ON ERP SINCE FISCAL YEAR 2010 AND THEY UPGRADED AND UPDATED EVERY FISCAL YEAR FOR OUR YEAR END PACKAGE REPORTING. IT HAS TO BE UPGRADED FOR THE W2S AND THE 10-99 REPORTING AND ALL OF THAT IS INCLUDED IN OUR ANNUAL SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE. NOW THE CLOUD, IS CHRIS HERE? YES, I THINK OUR IT DIRECTOR CAN TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE CLOUD UPGRADE >> I CAN TELL YOU I'VE ALSO DISCUSSED AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF OUR COMMISSIONERS ARE USING THE DASH BOARD WE HAVE FOR THE DIGITAL PROJECT DASHBOARD TO FOLLOW AND TRACK OUR FINANCES ON THOSE PROJECTS BUT AT THIS POINT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE NOT GIVEN THEM OUTSIDE ACCESS TO VIEW THOSE ACCOUNTS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. EVEN IF WE WANTED TO OUR CURRENT SYSTEM IS SO OLD IT WON'T ALLOW US TO DO THAT SO WE'RE NOT GETTING REALTIME DATA ON THE COSTS OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE, THIS WOULD HELP ENHANCE THAT I KNOW IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT BUT I'LL LET CHRIS TALK AS WELL. >> CHRIS, IT DIRECTOR, JUST [02:40:06] WANTED TO TALK ABOUT I GUESS SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE INVESTED IN THAT'S ON PREMISE AND THE DANGER OF HAVING THAT ON PREMISE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IT DEPP RI KATES FASTER THAN WHAT OUR BUDGET ALLOWS SOMETIMES. THE BENEFIT GOING TO THE CLOUD IS WE NO LONGER HAVE TO INVEST IN THE ON PREMISE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE INVESTMENT WE MAKE IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE UP IN THE CLOUD THAT PUTS THAT RESOURCE BURDEN ON OUR VENDERS. IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE ON PREMISE I HAVE -- WE HAVE TO HAVE STAFF ON PRIM TO TAKE CARE OF THAT AND IT IS COSTLY. SO THERE'S A COST BENEFIT BUT THERE'S ALSO MITIGATING RISK OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE GOING OUT AND THERE'S SECURITY ISSUE THAT IS COME WITH DEPRICATED APPLICATIONS. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> YEAH, MAKES SENSE. >> I READ THE ROOM, JUST LOOKING OVER AT THEM, THEY HAVE A LOOK, I'LL JUST ASK THEM. ANYONE ELSE? >> IF NOT, JUDGE, I'D MOVE TO INCLUDE IN THIS BUDGET THE NEW WORLD ERP CLOUD UPDATE. >> SO HIS MOTION IS TO INCLUDE THIS INTO MORE EXPENSE. >> WELL NO, IT WOULD BE COVERED IN OUR CURRENT 1.26. IT'S JUST ONE OF THE TWO ITEMS THAT -- OR THREE ITEM THAT IS WE HAVE NOT HAD A VOTE ON. >> YOU GOT A SECOND? >> I THINK HAMMER SECONDED, IS THAT CORRECT. >> I WAS JUST SAYING DO WE HAVE TO DO A FORMAL VOTE ON THIS OR WE JUST GOING TO SAY THREE, MOVE ON. >> YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT. >> I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A FORMAL VOTE BUT THREE SAY YES. >> I WANT TO KNOW IF I GOT THREE WHAT I'M GOING FOR. HOWEVER THAT LOOKS. LET'S DO THE ROLL CALL. YOU GOT A MOTION, WHERE'S A SECOND MPLETH SECOND. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> NO. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> NO. YOU SEE WE GOT TO GO ONE BY ONE. >> THE NEXT ONE IS CIVILIAN BILINGUAL PAY. >> ONE THING I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT IS NOW THAT WE HAVE ADOPTED OR SOON TO OFFICIALLY THE SALARY I THINK THE HOPE NOW MOVING FORWARD IS THAT WE START MOVING TO A STRUCTURE THAT IS MERIT BASED, BASED ON EXPERIENCE, EDUCATION, CERTIFICATION, SPECIAL SKILLS, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT TRADITIONALLY IS HOW I THINK THESE PERFORMANCE WHEN RENEWALS OR THE ANNUALS HAPPEN IS HOW WE DECIDE WHETHER AN EMPLOYEE GETS A RAISE AND ALSO WHEN THEY COME THEY GET HIRED IF THAT POSITION SPECIFICALLY ASKS FOR -- YOU KNOW, BILINGUAL PREFERRED THEN I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT WOULD APPLY AND SO I'M JUST NOT -- I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT HERE. I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS IT DOWN THE LINE WHEN WE START REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT JOBS AND THAT JOB DESCRIPTION LOOK LIKE, IS IT ACTUALLY GOING TO SAY IF IT SAYS BILINGUAL, YOU KNOW, PREFERRED OR REQUIRED THAT THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD PAY THAT INDIVIDUAL THAT -- FOR HAVING THAT SKILL SET. AND SO I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS RIGHT NOW. >> IS THAT BECAUSE YOU THINK SOME OF THESE POSITIONS BEING ADDRESSED DON'T REQUIRE BILINGUAL OR DON'T NEED IT. >> I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF JOBS THAT DO REQUIRE IT. BUT SOME, I MEAN IF THEY DON'T HAVE THAT SKILL SET TO DO THAT JOB, I MEAN IN THAT THEN THEY DON'T GET THAT PAY; RIGHT? I MEAN IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE USED AS REWARDING FOR HAVING THAT SKILL SET. I'M JUST THINKING MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO ADDRESS THAT HERE. >> AND COMMISSIONER, SORRY. AND SO I KNOW YOU SAID THE WORD REWARDING BUT I CONSIDER IT COMPENSATION. AND THE ASSESSMENT WOULD BE EQUIVALENT IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND HOW THEY ARE VERY RIGOROUS THROUGH THEIR TRAINING AND ASSESSMENTS AND ALL THE OTHER AND I BELIEVE THAT LIVING IN THIS WORLD AND I KNOW THAT I'M NOT TRYING TO MISCHARACTERIZE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AT ALL, I'M JUST SPEAKING THROUGH THE LENS THAT I'M SEEING THIS IN, OUR POPULATION, THERE ARE TONS OF PEOPLE THAT NEED THIS JUST TO FUNCTION TO MAKE [02:45:04] CONTACT WITH OUR GOVERNMENT AND SO WHEN OUR CO WORKERS ARE LEANED ON, IT IS WHAT IT IS. I'LL JUST USE THE WORD BY FORCE BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE SHOULD TALK TO THEM I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A COMPENSATION TIED TO IT. BUT WE'RE NOT SAYING NO BUT WE COULD END IT HERE IS WHAT I WAS THINKING. >> JUDGE, THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY YOU KNOW OUR DEMOGRAPHICS JUST PROVES THAT WE NEED MORE SPANISH SPEAKING EMPLOYEES AND I THINK THAT WE REALLY NEED TO TRY TO RECRUIT MORE INDIVIDUALS THAT SPEAK SPANISH. >> THIS COULD BE A TOOL. >> YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. >> ERIC, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, DOES THIS 46,028 DOES THIS ADDRESS POSITION THAT IS ARE CONSTITUENT FACING THAT DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO OFFER THAT CONSTITUENTS OR IS THIS EVERYONE THAT JUST IS BILINGUAL. >> WE SURVEYED ALL DEPARTMENTS WHO HAD SPANISH SPEAKING EMPLOYEES AND THEN GOT A PROJECTION BASED ON THAT AMOUNT BUT I THINK THAT NUMBER IS A LITTLE OFF. I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY NOW 70,000. >> SO THAT WOULD BE -- THAT'S HALF THE YEAR. IT'S ALSO INCLUDING THE TEST. SO A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON THAT FISCAL IMPACT WE SAID WE WOULD WAIT UNTIL APRIL I BELIEVE TO COME UP WITH OUR TERMS TO INCLUDE IS THIS EVERYBODY THAT SPEAKS SPANISH, ONLY FORWARD FACING OFFICES, WE HAD NOT MADE THOSE DETERMINATIONS. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED WE WOULD DO IS IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS SET THE PARAMETERS AND THAT FISCAL IMPACT INCLUDES WHAT WE ESTIMATE FOR THAT SECOND HALF OF THE YEAR PLUS WHAT THE TESTING WOULD COST. >> I ALSO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, I'VE SPOKEN TO AT LEAST ONE OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO HAS BOUGHT TRANSLATION OR HAS TRANSLATION EQUIPMENT SITTING ON THE FRONT DESK OF HIS OFFICE AND FOR THE COST OF THAT TRANSLATION EQUIPMENT AND TO THIS POINT, AND THIS IS -- YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT BY ANY MEANS A FAR REACHING RESEARCH OR ANYTHING ELSE BUT HE SAID THAT -- YOU KNOW, HE HASN'T HAD A SINGLE ISSUE. HIS EMPLOYEES -- THEY HAVE DONE PHENOMENAL WITH THAT TRANSLATION EQUIPMENT JUST SITTING ON THE FRONT DESK OF HIS JP OFFICE. SO I WOULD HOPE IF WE DO LOOK AT THIS I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER COHEN WE PROBABLY NEED TO HOLD OFF AND LOOK AT DO A REAL EVALUATION OF WHAT THOSE FORWARD FACING OFFICES ARE, WHAT THAT COMPENSATION SHOULD LOOK LIKE BUT ALSO EVALUATE WHATE OTHER TECHNOLOGY IS OUT THERE THAT COULD BE BENEFICIAL OR USEFUL TO THIS THAT MIGHT ADDRESS THE SAME ISSUES AS A COST SAVING. >> SO LET'S JUST. >> I DON'T THINK THAT ONE DOESN'T HAVE ANY TEETH. >> DOES IT NOT HAVE ANY SUPPORT? >> NO SUPPORT, THAT'S FINE. I SEE NO SUPPORT, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. NOT THAT I'M GOOD WITH NO SUPPORT, I'M GOOD WITH THAT DIALOGUE. OKAY. SO WE'RE DONE WITH THAT ONE. WE'RE DONE WITH NEW WORLD. WHAT ELSE? MY AIM IS JUST TO KEEP MOVING. >> JUDGE I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THE XON ISSUE IF WE MAY. YOU KNOW, I SPOKE BRIEFLY TO THE SHERIFF THIS MORNING AND I KNOW THAT I RECEIVED A TEXT FROM CHIEF LAST NIGHT ALSO AND I OR MYSELF TO GO ON RESEARCH, Select to skip to this part of the video">REALLY WANTED TO TAKE THE TIME OR MYSELF TO GO ON RESEARCH, YOU KNOW, AND I WILL SAY THAT I SPECIFICALLY LOOKED AT THE TRANSLATION PIECE OF THIS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE DEMONSTRATION THAT WAS GIVEN IN COURT THAT WHAT WAS I THOUGHT WE WERE LOOKING AT IS MORE THE TRANSLATION AND I KNEW THEN, I MEAN, I KNEW THAT IT WUNT GOING TO BE THAT MUCH MONEY FOR JUST THAT COMPONENT THAT THERE WERE MANY MORE OPTIONS THAT WERE AVAILABLE AND I THINK THERE'S 18 AND THE SHERIFF IS REQUESTING 17 OF THOSE 18 BUT WHEN I WENT AND RESEARCHED, WHAT REALLY CONCERNED ME WAS THAT THE DIRECT COURT INDISMISSABILITY AREA SECTION THAT I CAME TO AND I LOOKED IT UP MYSELF BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THIS WAS CORRECT. AXON OPENLY ACKNOWLEDGES THAT TRANSLATION SOFTWARE IS NOT READY FOR THE COURT ROOM. EXPLICIT DISCLAIMERS AND AUTO TRANSCRIBED FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS AXON SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT IS AI GENERATED TRANSLATION MAY NOT YET MEET THE FORMAL EVIDENTIARY STANDARDS REQUIRED FOR ADMISSION -- LET'S SEE, TRANSCRIPTS AND TRANSLATION REMAIN LEGALLY FLAGGED AS [02:50:05] UNVERIFIED UNTIL HUMAN REVIEW TAKES PLACE. SO I ASKED THE SHERIFF YOU KNOW WHAT IS OUR PROCESS NOW AND SO MY CONCERN WAS THAT -- LET ME READ ON THIS, IT SAYS DEPARTMENT MANDATES, DEPARTMENTS ADOPTING THE SOFTWARE FACE STRICT OPTIONAL WALLS FOR EXAMPLE DURING DEPLOYMENT EVALUATIONS OFFICERS MAY VERBALLY WARN CITIZENS THAT THE TRANSLATION IS COMING FROM AN UNCERTIFIED AI. BECAUSE OF THIS LIMITATION THE AI TRANSLATION IS BARRED FROM BEING USED FOR FORMAL WITNESS STATEMENTS AND EVIDENCE COLLECTION. AND THE TEXT ITSELF IS LEGALLY INADMISSIBLE IN COURT UNLESS INDEPENDENT CERTIFIED HUMAN INTERPRETER REVIEWS AND CERTIFIES THE CONVERSATION LINE BY LINE. AI INCORRECTLY CATRANSCRIBES NA, AND MISIDENTIFIED VEHICLE LICENSE PLATES FROM SOME SEEN AUDIO. FROM THE SEEN AUDIO. AND THAT -- YOU KNOW, THEY GAVE ME THE LOCATION OF WHERE THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. SO THAT TO ME THAT IS JUST CONCERNING BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT PROCESS WE'RE USING NOW IF WE'RE STILL HAVING TO HAVE AN INTERPRETER OR HAVE SOMEBODY THAT IS SPANISH SPEAKING COME AND HELP AN OFFICER THAT DOESN'T SPEAK ENGLISH AND IS DEALING WITH A PERSON THAT ONLY SPEAKS ENGLISH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE NOT REALLY GETTING ANYWHERE IF WE'RE STILL HAVING TO USE A CERTIFIED INTERPRETER BUT THEN WE'RE ADDING THIS COST ON TOP OF THAT WHEN WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO USE THAT INTER INTERPRETER THAT WAS MY VIEW REVIEW I DIDN'T GO INTO MASS SURVE SURVEILLANCE, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING UP AND SPEAKING AND VOICING THEIR CONCERNS, MY CONCERN IS WITH THIS -- ARE WE MOVING A LITTLE TOO FAST AND SHOULD WE MAKE -- TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO REVIEW IT. I'M NOT SAYING TO TAKE CAMERAS AWAY, THEY ARE BEING USED AND I KNOW THEY ARE A GOOD TOOL THAT WE HAVE IT'S JUST THIS ADDITION OF THE AI AND TRANSLATION SERVICES IS MY CONCERN ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE INADMISSIBLE. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER INGALSBE FOR THAT POSITION. I WILL SAY THAT IT HASN'T COME UP BEFORE BUT THIS HAS NEVER INTENDED TO SERVE AS AN OFFICIAL COURT TRANSCRIPT OR TO BE USED IN COURT. I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF OUR COMMUNICATION WITH THE PUBLIC THAT NEEDS TRANSLATION NEVER SEES THE INSIDE OF A COURT ROOM. THIS IS FOR EFFICIENCY. THIS IS FOR MAN POWER NEEDS. THIS IS FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND IF WE WERE EVER IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAD TO GO TO COURT ON SOMETHING AND I THINK PERHAPS GREG COULD BACK ME UP ON THIS, IT'S THE STATISTICS I'M FAMILIAR WITH IS TYPICALLY ABOUT AROUND 1-3% OF FELONY OFFENSES EVER SEE THE INSIDE OF A COURT ROOM. HOWEVER, WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE VIR FY -- VERIFICATION OF THE TRANSLATION BEFORE IT WAS EVER USED. THIS IS TALKING TO PEOPLE TO FIND OUT WHAT THEIR PROBLEM ARE, TO GET THEM HELP, THERE'S A HUNDRED USES FOR THIS AND I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE AS WELL DURING OUR THREE MONTH TRIAL AND EVALUATION PERIOD, I BELIEVE WE TOUCHED FIVE LANGUAGES DURING THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO INCLUDE RUSSIAN AND GERMAN, IT'S NOT JUST THE SPANISH SPEAKING COMMUNITY THAT BENEFITS FROM THIS. SO I DON'T -- I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S A FEAR THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THIS SERVICE TO SERVE AS AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT IN COURT. >> OKAY. WELL IT'S NOT A FEAR THAT I HAVE, IT'S A CONCERN THAT I HAVE WHICH I THINK IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BUT ANYWAY WHEN I LOOKED AT THAT I FELT THAT -- YOU KNOW, I JUST NEEDED TO ADDRESS IT AND MAKE Y'ALL AWARE OF YOU KNOW MY CONCERN REGARDING IT. >> COMMISSIONING COHEN. >> GREG HAS SOMETHING TO SAY >> ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE USE IN COURT. WITH ANY SORT OF TRANSCRIPT OF ANY SORT OF BODY CAM OR INTERVIEW, WE CAN'T JUST RELY ON AI. WHETHER IT'S ENGLISH, WHETHER IT'S ANY OTHER LANGUAGE, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE DO SOME VERIFICATION ON THAT. THE BIG STEP FORWARD FOR US AS [02:55:04] PROSECUTORS AND WE SEE THAT WHAT THE POLICE ARE DOING OUT IN THE FIELD WHEN THEY ARE INTERACTING WITH THESE FOLKS IS GREATLY HELPED WITH A TRANSLATION TOOL BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY'VE GOT TO DETAIN SOMEONE LONGER OR STAND WITH A VICTIM WHO IS BEEN HARMED AND WEIGHT ON A SPANISH SPEAKING OFFICER TO ARRIVE IF THEY DO NOT HAVE A TOOL THAT ALLOWS THEM TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE A CONVERSATION. IF SOMETHING DOES END UP ON A BODY CAM THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO USE TO GO TO COURT WHERE THE BIG ADVANTAGE FOR US AS PROSECUTORS IS, IF WE RECEIVE, IF THEY DO WAIT ON A SPANISH SPEAKING OFFICER AND THAT OFFICER COMES AND THEY HAVE AN ENTIRE CONVERSATION IN SPANISH, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SPANISH SPEAKERS IN OUR OFFICE. AND THAT'S A SAD STATEMENT GIVEN HOW LARGE THE SPANISH SPEAKING POPULATION OF THIS COUNTY IS BUT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT. WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IS NOBODY EVEN WATCHES THE VIDEO AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S SAID. IF WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS SAID WE HAVE TO PAY FOR A TRANSLATOR TO DO IT AND IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE PROCESS BECAUSE THEY FIRST HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND WATCH THE ENTIRE THING, TRANSLATE IT -- I'M SORRY, TRANSCRIBE IT IN SPANISH AND THEN INTERPRET THAT SPANISH TRANSCRIPT INTO ENGLISH. IT'S HUNDREDS IF NOT,000 THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO DO THAT AND WE DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET FOR THAT. A LOT OF THESE DO NOT GET WATCHED, DO NOT GET TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION NULS WE HAVE THE SPANISH SPEAKING STAFF MEMBER WITH THE TIME AND BANDWIDTH TO DO THAT FOR US. WHERE THIS TOOL GIVES US A LEG US IS WE CAN TAKE THAT SPANISH TRANSLATION THAT THE XON SOFTWARE HAS DONE, PROVIDE IT TO A LICENSED INTERPRETER, THEY PROOF READ IT AND MAKE CORRECTIONS AND IT CUTS THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND THE AMOUNT OF EXPENSE FOR OUR OFFICE DOWN TO A FRACTION OF WHAT IT WOULD HAVE COST OTHERWISE. SO WE ARE ACTUALLY ABLE TO IN THAT SITUATION USE THE MAJORITY OF THE SPANISH LANGUAGE TAPES THAT COME TO US WHERE WE WOULDN'T BE USING THEM OTHERWISE. SO THIS IS A FEATURE THAT ACTUALLY BENEFITS OUR SPANISH SPEAKING MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY SIGNIFICANTLY. THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >> YES, THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> COMMISSIONER. >> SO THIS COURT HAS MENTIONED -- I KNOW I'VE MENTIONED IT A FEW TIMES HOW I THINK WE NEED TO ADOPT AN AI POLICY AND PROCEDURES BEFORE WE TRY AND IMPLEMENT ANY NEW TECHNOLOGY INTO OUR GOVERNMENT SYS SYSTEMS. I THINK A LOT OF COUNTIES AND OTHER CITIES ARE DEALING WITH THE SAME THING IS HOW DO WE RESPONSIBLY INCORPORATE AI INTO OUR WORK. I MEAN, WE HAD AN AGENDA ITEM ON HERE BEFORE IT WAS PULLED TO REQUEST EXACTLY THAT. AND SO RIGHT NOW I'M FEELING VERY UNCOMFORT AABLE WITH THE WHOLE AI CONVERSATION AND I'M FEARFUL FOR OUR COUNTY THAT WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN PLACE. SO THAT'S MY FIRST CONCERN. YOU KNOW, I WOULD FEEL MORE COM COMFORTABLE EXPLORING THESE IF WE HAD A POLICY THAT WOULD HELP US VET THE TECHNOLOGY IN SOME WAY, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH CHRIS' DEPARTMENT OR PROCUREMENT DEPARTMENT, LIKE WHAT ARE WE DOING TO ADDRESS THIS UP AND COMING TECHNOLOGY AND ARE WE PROTECTING OURSELVES? HOW WELL ARE WE PROTECTING OURSELVES? I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S MY CONCERNS RIGHT NOW AROUND THAT. >> GREG COX FROM THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. >> I ONLY HAVE TO DO IT ONCE ON THE AGENDA ITEM IS OPEN. >> ON THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE THE SHERIFF ARRANGED FOR XON REPRESENTATIVES TO COME AND DEMO IF YOU WILL RECALL CHIEF BAILEY TALKED ABOUT THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO USE THE DRAFT ONE PIECE OF IT AND THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE VETTED THAT AND WE'RE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT BUT WITH MOST OF THE REST OF THE FEATURES ON THIS, WE HAD DETAILED DISCUSSIONS, AXON BROUGHT EMPLOYEES OF THEIRS FORMER PROSECUTORS BOTH AT THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND WE HAD A VERY THOROUGH CONVERSATION AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE LEGALITIES AND THE PRACTICALITIES AND THE LIMITATIONS OF THE SOFTWARE AND THEY WERE ABLE TO CONVINCE US THAT WE COULD SUCCESSFULLY GO INTO COURT AND USE THESE TOOLS AND STILL WE HAVE THE PROTECTION OF A DEFENCE ATTORNEY IF WE TRY TO USE SOMETHING IN COURT CAN OBJECT AND ASK A COURT TO MAKE A DETERMINATION OF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO BE USED IN COURT BUT WE DID A LOT [03:00:01] OF VETTING AND IN FACT I WAS GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY AT MY PREVIOUS JOB AND THEN A LITTLE BIT HERE TO WORK WITH THESE ACTIVITIES AND MAKE THE TOOLS MORE SAFE FOR USE AND MORE APPROPRIATE FOR USE AND THEY HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THAT FEEDBACK AND PUT IT INTO THEIR DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS NOT THE KIND OF AI THAT'S GOING TO OUT ONTO THE INTERNET AND GRABBING THINGS OFF OF JUST RANDOM WEBSITES. THIS IS AN INTERNAL, DOESN'T TOUCH THE INTERNET, IT'S -- AI IS A BIG, BROAD TERM. AND AI WHERE YOU TAKE AND UPLOAD A PHOTO AND ASK IT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A CLOWN OR SOMETHING, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AI THAT GOES OUT AND SEARCHES THE INTERNET TO FIND THINGS OFF OF UNVETED WEBSITES IS ALSO NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT IS SIMPLY MACHINE LEARNING TO TAKE THINGS LIKE LISTEN TO THIS AUDIO, TRANSCRIBE IT, PRODUCE A TRANSCRIPT FOR SOMEONE TO REVIEW BEFORE ITS USED AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO. WE DON'T TRUST THE OUTPUT. BUT IT'S A GUIDE THAT HELPS US IN A VERY, VERY LONG VOLUMOUS SET OF VIDEOS GO IN AND FIND THE KEY PARTS AND THEN OUR PERSPECTIVE CUTERS WITH THE TRANSCRIBE OPEN ON ONE SCREEN PLAY THE VIDEO AND VERIFY WHAT IS IN THE TRANSCRIPT IS ACCURATE AND TRUE BEFORE WE RELY ON IT. JUST LIKE THE OFFICERS DO THE SAME THING, IT HELPS THEM WRITE BETTER REPORTS IF THEY CAN FIND THE PORTION OF THEIR BODY CAM WHERE SOMETHING WAS DISCUSSED AND GO TO IT INSTEAD OF SITTING THERE FOR 45 FOR 90 MINUTES SEARCHING A VIDEO TO TRY AND FIND IT. THESE ARE THINGS THAT ALLOW US TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SUPPORT STAFF WE COME IN AND ASK FOR AND I'M SURE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS IN THE SAME BOAT ON THAT. THEY ARE FORCED MULTIPLERS TO A CERTAIN DEGREE IN THAT THEY ALLOW US TO SHORTCUT TASKS THAT EITHER WOULD TAKE US FAR TOO LONG TO JUSTIFY DOING OR MIGHT NOT GET DONE AT ALL IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS ASSISTANCE. DOES THAT MAKES SENSE. >> YES. >> OKAY. >> AND SO I KNOW Y'ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE TECHNOLOGY 'CAUSE YOU SAID YOU VET IT BUT HOW DO WE MAKE OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR TAX PAYERS MORE COMFORTABLE? BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE EXPRESSING THAT THEY ARE NOT COMFORTABLE. AND SO HOW DO WE BRIDGE THIS GAP; RIGHT? >> FOR US, IT'S TAKING CASES TO COURT AND HAVING TRIALS AND USING THESE THINGS IN FRONT OF A JERRY -- INJURY JURY AND WE HAVE 12 MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY SELECTED TO SERVE ON A JURY AND THEY ARE ASKED TO MAKE A DECISION OF BLO WE PROVED A CASE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. WE HAVE 12 MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT SERVE AS A CROSS-SECTION OF THIS COMMUNITY TO BASICALLY DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT A FELONY GETS TO MOVE TO COURT AND WE PRESENT THIS EVIDENCE TO THE GRAND JURIES AND THEY CAN ASK US QUESTIONS AND IF THEY DON'T TRUST IT OR THEY DON'T BELIEVE IT THEY CAN REFUSE TO INDICT A CASE JUST LIKE A PETIT JURY CAN REFUSE TO CONVICT SOMEONE. WE ARE GIVING THE COMMUNITY INPUT BY TAKING THESE THINGS TO TRIAL AND LETS THE JURIES, MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY HAVE A SAY IN THIS. AND WE'RE ALSO GETTING THE ADDITIONAL INPUT FROM JUDGES DECIDING ON THE LEGALITY OF THE USE OF THIS STUFF IN COURT BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE VOLUME OF VIDEO THAT GETS PRODUCED ON CASES NOW IS E NNORMOUS AND WITHOUT TOOLS LIKE THIS I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN DO OUR JOBS. >> IS AXON THE ONLY COMPANY THAT PROVIDES THIS SERVICE? >> WE HAVE NO IDEA BUT BECAUSE ALL OF OUR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT IS USING AXON BODY CAMERAS AND AXON FEET CAMERAS WE KNOW FOR CERTAIN IT CORRESPONDS WITH THE EQUIPMENT CORRECTLY. THERE MAY BE OTHER COMPANIES OUT THROUGH BUT THEY AREN'T NECESSARILY SYNCED UP WITH THE CAMERAS THAT ARE IN USE AND IF WE TRIED TO SWITCH TO ANOTHER COMPANY IN MY OPINION THERE'S NO REASON TO TRY TO MAKE THAT SWITCH IT'S GOING TO BE END UP BEING EXPENSIVE AND LESS RELIABLE. >> COMMISSIONER, I AM HAPPY TO HEAR ABOUT POLICY BECAUSE YES, THE AGENDA ITEM THAT DIDN'T GET PUT BACK ON THE AGENDA FOLLOWING WAS MINE, THANK YOU, YOU'RE RIGHT. I BELIEVE IN NOT PUTTING THE TECH BEFORE THE POLICY, FACEBOOK WAS FOUND GUILTY IN COURT AND OWES MANY STATES BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR HAVING THE ABILITY TO MONITOR, GOVERN, AND CREATE [03:05:05] 16 AND OLDER GUIDELINES AND STUFF KNOWING THEY HAD THE ABILITY TO AND THEY DIDN'T AND THEY WERE FOUND LIABLE OR WHATEVER WORD THEY WOULD HAVE USED, I DON'T REMEMBER AND THEY HAVE TO PAY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR BEING NEGLECTFUL. SO POLICY BEFORE THE TECH IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA. I SUPPORT THAT A LOT. THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. COMMISSIONER. >> I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MEDIA CONFUSION, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF SOCIAL MEDIA CONFUSION, WE HAVE NOT VOTED ON A CONTRACT, ONE, WE HAVE NOT BEEN PRESENTED AT COURT WITH A CONTRACT. WE HAVE NOT PAID AXON FOR AN AI PACKAGE CONTRACT THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW. THOSE ARE THREE THINGS THAT WERE SAID IN PUBLIC COMMENT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ABLE TO TOUCH ON WHAT I WOULD BE HAPPY DOING BECAUSE AGAIN WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT IN FRONT OF US THIS BASICALLY IS GOING INTO THE BUDGET AS IF WE WERE ABLE TO COME TO TERMS AND IF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT SAID YES ON THE CONTRACT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, WERE ARE WE GOING TO GET THE FUNDS. THAT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE PREMISE IS. THIS IS A PLACE HOLDER FOR FUNDS TO POTENTIALLY LOOK INTO A CONTRACT AND POTENTIAL LY -- AGREE TO THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS. I WOULD BE HAPPY BECAUSE THERE'S SOME PEOPLE IN THE COURT THAT THEY WANT FURTHER, THEY WANT TO LOOK INTO THINGS FURTHER, LOOK INTO DIFFERENT COMPANIES AND WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FUNDING BUT JUST PUTTING IT UNDER SOFTWARE FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SO IF THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND MAYBE ANOTHER COMPANY OR WHATEVER HAVE YOU THAT WE HAVE FUNDING THERE AND IF WE NEVER USE IT WE CAN MOVE IT INTO SOME OTHER CATEGORY. I MEAN THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. WE'RE NOT AGREEING ON A CONTRACT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS FEEL COMFORTABLE, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. >> I DON'T KNOW BUT I WOULD NOT -- I MEAN, I WOULD PUT IT MAYBE IN COUNTY WIDE OR SOMETHING. YOU KNOW. >> WELL EACH DEPARTMENT HAS THEIR OWN SOFTWARE BUDGET IF THEY WANTED ONLY TO DO TRANSLATION SERVICES THEN THEY HAVE THIS TO TAP INTO. >> THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY THIS IS ALSO ONE OF THE ITEM THAT IS WE HAD A DEPARTMENT COME FORWARD AND PAY FOR OUT OF THEIR OWN BUDGETED ALLOCATION. AND SO IF WE DIDN'T DO THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD GIVE THOSE CORRECTION OFFICERS THAT WOULD PAY FOR THAT BACK TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO GIVE UP. THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD SAY -- AND I SAID THIS BEFORE, I WORKED IN WASHINGTON DC IN 98 AND 99 WHEN THE ACLU WERE PUSHING FOR BODY WORN CAMERAS WHOLESALE AND EARLY 2000S STATES AND MUNICIPALITIES AND LOCAL ENTITIES THROUGHOUT THE U.S. START TO MANDATE IT TO THE POINT WHERE IN THE TEXAS CODE CRIMINAL PROCEDURE ADDED GUIDELINES SPECIFICALLY ON THE USE OF BODY WORN CAMERA THAT IS DICTATE HOW THE INFORMATION THAT IS GARNERED FROM THESE CAMERAS CAN AND SHOULD BE USED. AND I KNOW THAT AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITY OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND EACH ONE OF OUR CONSTABLE OFFICES IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A DIRECT -- THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ADOPTED AND I KNOW THEY DID BACK THEN AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE LAST TIME IT WAS UPDATED WAS BUT THEY HAVE A PROCEDURE FOR THAT AS MANDATED UNDER ARTICLE 2B.106 OF STATE LAW AND SO WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS LEAVING THIS MONEY IN THE BUDGET, NOT EAR MARKING IT FOR A SPECIFIC TECHNOLOGY GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY BEFORE JANUARY TO UPDATE WHATEVER POLICY THAT IS SHOULD THEY THINK THAT ADDITIONAL PRO VISIONS UNDERNEATH A NEW SOFTWARE PACKAGE WERE NEEDED. AND THEN HAVING THE ABILITY WHETHER IT'S RFP PROCESS OR RFQ PROCESS TO LOOKING LOOK AT WHAT THE NEEDS OF OUR DEPARTMENT ARE AND THEN ALLOWING THEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS. >> TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE PREVIOUS ITEMS I'M GOING TO CALL FOR THE AXON VOTE. >> ACTUALLY, JUDGE THIS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED INTO THE BUDGET YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO AN AMENDMENT TO STRIP IT OR MOVE IT TO A CERTAIN PLACE. >> I'M GOING TO SEE HOW YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT CALLING THE VOTE FOR THIS AXON VOTE. ARE YOU READY TO CALL THE VOTE FOR IT. >> YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TELL US WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. >> FIRST I WANT TO SEE IF THEY WANT TO DO AND THEN I WILL FRAME IT OR HAVE THEM FRAME IT. I'M WORKING ON IT. >> CAN I MOTION? MOTION TO PLACE THE AMOUNT OF [03:10:01] FUNDS FOR AXON UNDER THE SHERIFF OFFICE'S SOFTWARE BUDGET LINE ITEM. >> SECOND. >> COURT FOR CLARIFICATION ON THIS WOULD THIS BE THE AI LOW PAYMENT, THE 96. OKAY. JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION. >> $96,739. >> WITH A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT I WOULD JUST ASK BEFORE CONSIDERATION COME BACK THAT OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DO A REVIEW OF WHAT OUR CURRENT POLICY IS TO MAKE SURE IT'S UPDATED WITH CURRENT STATE LAW AND THEN BRING BACK A SUGGESTION AS FAR AS WHAT PROCUREMENT PROCESS SHOULD LOOK LIKE. AFTER WORKING WITH PROCUREMENT. >> THANKS SO COMMISSIONER, I SEE YOU. I'M LISTENING. >> OKAY. >> TAKE YOUR TIME. >> I WANT CLARIFICATION SO YOU'RE WANTING JUST TO GO AHEAD AND SET THOSE FUNDS ASIDE AND LEAVE THEM IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHAT'S THE REST. >> THE REST WOULD BE THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TEXAS STAT STA STATUTE WHERE ENSURE THAT OURS HAS BEEN UPDATED TO THE STANDARD I'M 99% SURE IT HAS OVER TIME BECAUSE THIS IS A LONG STANDING STATUTE BUT GIVEN THERE'S NEW FEATUREERS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ADHERING TO THAT AND THEN HAVE THEM WORK WITH PROCUREMENT TO COME BACK WITH A PROCESS FOR PROCUREMENT WHETHER IT'S AXON OR ANY OTHER TECHNOLOGY TO MEET THE STANDARDS THAT THEY WANT IN THEIR SOFTWARE. >> BREAK THAT UP INTO DIFFERENT MOTIONS. THAT WAS A LOT. >> I MOVE TO PLACE THE 96$96,73 UNDER THE SHERIFF OFFICE SOFTWARE LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET. >> SECOND. >> OKAY. WE'LL MAKE A NEW MOTION IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT. CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> KNOW. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA >> NO. >> AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, NOW AGAIN IT IS STILL IN HERE WE OFFER THE MOTION WAS TO MOVE IT FROM WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO STRIP IT IT'S ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED INTO THE BUDGET. >> I MOVE THAT WE STRIP IT FROM THE BUDGET FROM PREVIOUS DECISION LOOKING FOR A SECONDER. >> SECOND. >> I GOT A SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH YOUR FUNDS MOVE THEM FOR ELIMINATE THEM FROM THE BUDGET. >> ELIMINATE FOR NOW. LET ME LET LEGAL DECIDE WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO ON FRAMING THE QUESTION. >> I'M JUST TRYING TO TRACK AND I'M NOT GOING TO GUESS WHAT THE SHERIFF IS GOING TO SAY BUT >> ONE AT A TIME, GO AHEAD. >> SO CLEAR DIRECTION ON IF THERE IS A MOTION WHICH I THINK I HEARD TO REMOVE THE FUNDING FROM WHERE IT CURRENTLY FITS IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET RELATED TO AXON, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, I THINK THE MOTION NEEDS TO BE CLEAR WHETHER YOU'RE TAKING THOSE DOLLARS AND TAKING THEM OUT OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE COMPLETELY OR I THINK THIS IS WHAT THE SHERIFF MIGHT SAY TAKING THOSE DOLLARS AND IF IT'S NOT BEING USED FOR AXON, USING IT FOR WHAT THEY GAVE IN EXCHANGE FOR AXON. >> YES. >> PERFECT. >> I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH THAT YOU WEREN'T GOING TO SAY. >> WE OBVIOUSLY GAVE UP 7 CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS TO GAVE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO INCLUDE AXON AI AND I'VE BEEN TOLD OVER AND OVER AGAIN BY THIS COURT THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TRUST WHAT WE DO AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IN THIS PACKAGE IS OBVIOUSLY TO TRACK THE DATA THAT WE ALREADY COLLECT. SO WE HAVE THIS DATA ALREADY. AND WE'RE NOT SOLELY RELYING ON WHAT THE AI PACKAGE IS GOING TO GIVE US -- WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK THIS WORK. SO IT'S NOT -- WE'RE NOT WILLY NILLY 100% RELYING ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET FROM THE RESULT OF THE AI STUFF. WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK IT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ACCURATE AND THAT IT CAN GO TO COURT AND WITHSTAND A GUILT OR INNOCENCE. >> SO MY MOTION IS TO RESTATE FOR CLARIFICATION -- THANK YOU, SHERIFF, MY MOTION IS TO PULL IT -- DISLODGE IT, DISCONNECT IT FROM WHERE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY VOTED ON AND WE TRUST OUR SHERIFFS, ABSOLUTELY, EVEN LEAVE IT IN HIS DEPARTMENT BUT THIS LOGIC FROM THAT TECHNOLOGY AND IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, THE SECOND WILL HOLD. >> WHERE DO YOU WANT TO PUT IT IN THE DEPARTMENT? >> I THINK WE GET THE TWO COS BACK TO US. THAT'S WHAT IT EQUATES TO? >> YEP. >> THAT'S CORRECT. I THINK WE'RE -- WE WOULD HAVE ABOUT A 6,$000 SURPLUS IF WE GOT BACK TWO COS TO GAVE UP FIVE TO [03:15:04] PAY FOR THE OTHER ITEMS. >> PLEASE ALLOW ME TO RESTATE MY I'LL SEE IF COMMISSIONER INGALSBE FOLLOWS IT AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE SECOND. I MOVE THAT WE DISLODGE, DISCONNECT THE AGREED UPON MONEY IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FROM THE AXON CONVERSATION AND REALLOCATE IT TO TWO CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS INSTEAD ALL TO STAY WITHIN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. AND IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU AS A SECOND. >> FINE. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE WILL BE SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES. >> PEOPLE, ALL YOURS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. NEXT ONE. >> CAN WE ASK, THERE IS AN ADJUSTMENT THAT HAS TO BE MADE WITH THAT -- CAN YOU TELL US SPECIFICALLY WHERE WE'RE AT AT THIS POINT. >> ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE WHAT WE'RE AT AS LIKE A TAX RATE FOR TOTAL DOLLARS. >> CORRECT. GIVEN THOSE AREN'T ARE DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR EXCHANGE WITH THAT 6,000 DOLLARS OR WHATEVER IT'SIC A WHERE IS OUR OVER ALL TAX RATE AT THIS POINT. >> GIVE ME ONE SECOND, COMMISSIONER. SO CLARIFICATION ON THAT, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE NOT APPROVED? ARE THOSE FALLING OUT OF THE TAX RATE OR FALLING INTO THE RESERVES. >> AT THIS POINT I THINK THEY WERE REMOVED FROM CONSIDERATION SO THEY ARE NO LONGER PART OF THE TAX RATE. PLEASE TELL ME IF ANYBODY DISAGREES. >> I LOVE THAT IDEA. THE MORE WE LOWER IT, THE BETTER. I'M ALL ABOUT IT. WHAT'S NEXT, SCOTT. OH WE WAIT FOR SOMETHING. >> LET'S GET THIS NUMBER REAL QUICK. >> OKAY. YOU GOT IT. >> BECAUSE IT WILL HAVE IMPACT ON WHAT THAT WOULD BE AS WELL. THE TWO NUMBERS I'M LOOKING FOR ARE TOTAL OVER ALL TAX RATE RIGHT NOW AND WHAT THE REMAINDER WOULD BE TO THAT 1 -- 1-2-6. >> WITH THE CIVILIAN BILINGUAL PLANNING. >> THE CIVILIAN IS DONE, IT'S GONE. >> I KNOW. >> I'M SORRY WE'RE TAKING IT OUT -- >> WE'RE GETTING CLOSER, COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT. >> WE CAN KEEP CHOPPING. I AM ETERNALLY OPTIMISTIC AND ETERNALLY GRATEFUL. >> AND COMMISSIONER SMITH, YOU WERE CORRECT. IT'S NOT A 1-1 BUT IT'S VERY CLOSE, THAT WOULD LEAVE US AT A 1.2583 TAX RATE. >> SAY THAT AGAIN. >> 1.2583. >> THAT CAN'T BE CORRECT BECAUSE WE JUST TOOK CIVILIAN BILINGUAL PAY OUT AND NEW WORLD ERP OUT. >> COMMISSIONER THOSE ONLY AMOUNTED TO $92,000. I BELIEVE THAT IS ABOUT RIGHT BUT LET ME JUST CORRECTLY MAKE SURE. >> I'D ALSO TAKE OUT ROUGHY 188,000. >> 96 PLUS 92? >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE MENTION THAT THE -- THAT THE TAKING AWAY THE COS AND THE AXON WAS NEARLY A WASH. >> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE CHIEF SAID, APPROXIMATELY 6K. >> RIGHT. >> OKAY SO IT'S REALLY ONLY 80. >> SO THE ONLY THING LEFT TO CONSIDER IS THE -- DO WE WANT TO USE UP TO THAT 1-2-6 THAT WE VOTED ON THE REMAINDER OF THAT TO BE PUT IN RESERVES OR DO WE WANT TO SAY NO, WE'RE DONE WE WANT TO CUT WHAT OUR ADOPTED RATE IS TO NOW THE 1.26 DOWN TO WHAT IT WOULD BE WITHOUT ANY POTENTIAL RESERVE ALLOCATION >> I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT ALL OF THE NEW AND WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ON WHAT THE SALARY INCREASES THAT Y'ALL JUST APPROVED WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN TERMS OF NEXT YEAR BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE ROUGHLY OVER 2 MILLION DOLLARS AND THEN WE GOT CBA SO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO SUSTAIN FOR NEXT YEAR IF WE CUT ADDED RESERVES, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE. I MEAN, LAST YEAR WE RAISED IT BY FOUR CENTS ROUGHLY AND WE STILL CAME OUT RESERVES THIS [03:20:02] YEAR WE'RE STILL COMING OUT OF RESERVES AT 1.25 OF A CENT. SO I THINK WE THINK ABOUT THAT. IS THERE ANY OTHER BIG ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR WE WON'T HAVE WRAPPED INTO THIS TAX RATE FOR NEXT YEAR, SCOTT. >> SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S DISCUSSION ON THE IRS, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WILL COME UP. BUT I KNOW THAT WE'RE STILL AWAITING DECISION ON THAT. AS FAR AS OTHER BIG TICKET I ITEMS, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO COVERED THROUGH BONDS OR COS, I CAN'T THINK OF ANY PARTICULAR ONES. I KNOW I SET ASIDE SOME MONEY FOR SOME PARK OBLIGATIONS THAT WE HAVE THAT I THINK WILL COME UP BUT I BELIEVE THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY ADDITIONAL ON TOP OF THAT. >> OKAY. SO FOR FY28, HOW MUCH MORE MONEY DO WE NEED FOR THE SALARY INCREASES THAT WAS JUST APPROVED? >> SO IN -- I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THAT NUMBER AS AN INCREMENTAL AS FAR AS HOW MUCH MORE WE WOULD NEED THAN IF WE WERE TO STICK WITH THE SALARY PLAN THAT HE WITH CURRENTLY HAVE WITH OUR SET PLAN. AND THAT WOULD BE -- GIVE ME ONE SECOND, LET ME OPEN UP. I HAD CALCULATED THAT EARLIER. >> WE'RE SPENDING NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET BEFORE ITS EVEN HERE. >> SO THAT ADDITIONAL AMOUNT NEEDED THAT WOULD BE ABOVE THE SET PLAN WOULD BE ROUGHLY 2.067 MILLION. AND THIS THAT IS THE STEP PLAN BEING A COMPOUND. SO IF WE WERE TO STAY WITH THE STEP PLAN WE WOULD HAVE THAT 3% STEP INCREASE IN FY27 AND THEN THAT 3% WOULD FALL INTO NORMAL SALARIES AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 3% ON TOP OF THE 3%. SO YOU WOULD BE SEEING A 6% INCREASE THROUGH THE STEP PLAN WHEREAS I BELIEVE THE PLAN ON THE SALARY INCREASE IS TO HOLD STEADY AND NOT GIVE ANY RAISES IN THOSE TWO YEARS. >> OKAY. AND THEN I KNOW THAT WE CAN'T REALLY GIVE A FORESEEABLE AMOUNT BUT ROUGHLY HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK WE WOULD PUT AWAY FOR CP28 FOR FY28. >> YEAH. >> IT'S GOING TO BE BIG. WE NEED TO PREPARE, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING IN 28. >> WELL LOOKING AT AND THAT PLAN WOULD GO INTO 28 OR NEXT YEAR IN 27. >> NO, IT WOULD BE NEGOTIATED. >> FY28. I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY SIMILAR AMOUNT TO THIS YEAR. >> OH NO. >> NO IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN THAT. IT'S GOING TO BE I THINK 4. I MEAN WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAY EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW BUT JUST FORECASTING; RIGHT? SO THAT'S ROUGHLY 6 MILLION FOR NEXT YEAR AND HOW MUCH DID WE HAVE IN INCREASED REVENUE FOR THIS YEAR? >> THROUGH THE TAX RATE? SO WHEN WE WERE AT THE 1.26 THAT W WAS. >> NO FOR PROPERTY VALUES. VALUATIONS. HOW MUCH DID WE HAVE COME IN FROM LAST YEAR FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. >> FROM NEW CONSTRUCTION? >> 6.441. >> SO MY POINT WAS THAT PRETTY MUCH IF THINGS STAY STEADY WHICH THEY ARE GOING DOWN, WE'RE SPENT. WE'RE PRETTY MUCH SPENT. >> THEY ARE GOING DOWN AT THIS POINT IN TIME. >> NO NEW THINGS AT ALL IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING. WE'RE NOT SUSTAINABLE. >> I COULDN'T AGREE MORE. AND THAT'S WHY. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT POSITIONS TO SEE IF THEY ARE. >> NO. >> I JUST FEEL BAD SAYING IT BECAUSE I REALLY DO BELIEVE IN JENNIFER'S WORK, ALL SHE'S EVER DONE IS PROFESSIONAL AND COMPLETE AND THOROUGH BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO BUY THAT EQUIPMENT. I JUST FEEL BAD SAYING IT BECAUSE SHE'S ALSO INCOMPLETE. >> I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT IT'S GOING TO COME BACK NEXT YEAR AND IT'S GOING TO BE MORE MONEY. SO WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE IN THE SAME BOAT. >> WE'RE ALSO 6 MILLION DOLLARS FOR NEXT YEAR. >> I THINK WITH THE NEW PAY PLAN TOO, YOU KNOW THAT GAVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE TO LOWER THAT BUT I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO LOOK AT EMPLOYEES IF ANYBODY IS OPEN TO THAT. I MEAN I WOULD SAY WHEN WE SPOKE ABOUT SROS AND WE WANT TO HAVE AN SRO IN EVERY SINGLE CAMPUS, WE TALKED ABOUT TWO. I KNOW THIS ONE HAS THREE, MAYBE THAT'S -- WE DID VOTE TON THAT AND I THINK THE TWO WAS JUST A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE. I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT A PLACE THAT WE REALLY WANT TO CUT BUT [03:25:02] YOU KNOW, I WAS -- LET ME JUST GO DOWN THE LIST OF WHAT I HAVE AND SEE WHAT Y'ALL THINK AND SO I HAD TWO SROS AND I CAN BE FLEXIBLE ON THAT, THE AUTO THEFT EDETECTIVE, MANAGEMENT ANALYSIS, CLERKS FOR THOSE TWO, CONSTABLE FOR PRECINCT 2, OF COURSE, THE DELETION OF NOW FIVE COS, THE C CBA, THE ELECTIONS EQUIPMENT, BASICALLY THAT'S THE EMPLOYEES THAT I HAVE. THAT WOULD LOWER OUR TAX RATE CLOSE TO SCOTT SINCE THE OTHER TWO WERE KIND OF A WASH, THE TWO COS TO 0.587 IF WE DID A LIMITED AMOUNT OF EMPLOYEES. >> ALMOST 6 DOLLARS A GALLEON OF DIESEL YESTERDAY SO I'M WITH YU AND I'M SO GRATEFUL YOU GUYS ARE EVEN HAVING THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE NEED TO BE HEADED. >> YOU WANT TO DELETE THOSE? >> I JUST WANT TO HAVE THOSE BUT I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO LISTEN TO WHATEVER. >> CAN I ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE, COMMISSIONER >> ABSOLUTELY. >> OKAY. WHAT I WOULD SAY ON THE SROS AGAIN, THOSE ARE POSITIONS THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT REQUESTED THREE, THEY WERE WILLING TO TAKE TWO TO GIVE UP THINGS IN ORDER TO GET OTHER PRIORITIES TAKEN CARE OF. YOU HAVE A SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT IS ALREADY FUNDED WITHIN THAT BUDGET, THE MATCHING FUNDS OF OVER 79% FOR ALL THREE OF THEM. AND SO I WOULD WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT AS WELL AS THE -- AGAIN, THE AUTO THEFT OFFICER, THOSE COS ARE PAYING FOR IT. AND SO ANYTHING RELATED TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, I WOULD HOPE TO LEAVE AS IS SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY TRULY DID GIVE UP WITHIN THEIR PROPOSED BUDGET TO PAY FOR THAT. WHEN IT COMES TO THE JPS AND THE CONSTABLE, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THERE ARE PROBABLY POSITIONS THAT ARE NEEDED BUT I TRULY DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO HAVE AN VAL WEIGHS AND GET SOME REAL DATA AS TO EACH ONE OF THOSE OFFICES ON HOW TO GO ABOUT THAT AND THAT'S A REASON WHENEVER WE VOTED TO DO THOSE INCREASES ON SEPTEMBER -- OR PARDON ME ON JANUARY 1 THAT WE WOULD GET THAT DATA AND THOSE ANALYSES BEFORE THEN AND BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS. IF I WERE TO LOOK AT THESE, THE ONES FARTHER DOWN THE LIST ARE THE ONE THAT IS WE ADDED LATER. AND WHENEVER I SAY THAT THOSE ARE SOME THAT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO THIS TIME BUT WE DID VOTE ON THEM AS A BLOCK AND WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH THOSE INDIVIDUALLY. THOSE ARE ONES THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE IF Y'ALL WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT, I WOULD BE WILLING TO LOOK AT THOSE. AND BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT TH THOSE. THE ONES THAT WE DID TAKE -- >> HOLD ON A SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER, CAN I JUST CLARIFY ON THE JPS AND THE KRBLE YOU'RE SAYING TO DO THE ANALYSIS AND I HAD RECOMMENDED THAT THOSE POSITIONS STARTED 1-1 OF 27 AND SO THAT WOULD GIVE US ENOUGH TIME TO DO THOSE ANALYSES IF WE BUDGETED FUNDS FOR 1-1 START OF THOSE THREE POSITIONS. >> WELL, BUT I DON'T WANT TO CERTIFY THAT THESE ARE THE THREE THAT ARE GETTING IT. IF THE ANALYSIS -- 'CAUSE WE HAD OTHER JPS AND WE HAD OTHER -- I WANT REAL DATA TO LOOK AT TO SAY LOOK, THE VOLUME OF CASE LOAD, THE ACTUAL CASES THAT ARE BEING HEARD, JP1, A JP CLERK 1 IF ALL OF THE OFFICES ARE RUNNING FOR ONE OF THOSE CLERKS 800 CASES OR 600 CASES THEN IS THIS OFFICE ASKING FOR ONE AND THEY ARE ONLY HAVING 300 CASES. I WANT THAT DATA AND SO I WOULD PREFER NOT TO PUT IT INTO AN INDIVIDUAL OFFICE. JUST SAY THEY ARE THERE. ONCE THE DATA COMES BACK AND SHOWS US WHAT WE NEED TO DO, THERE'S THE AVAILABILITY FOR THOSE POSITIONS. THAT'S WHAT WE ADOPTED. >> BUT DOES THAT ALSO INCLUDE THE CONSTABLE TWO DEPUTY. >> CORRECT. WHENEVER WE SAY THIS, WE SAID EVERY YEAR THE KRBLES COME BACK AND ASK FOR A DEPUTY AND A CAR OR A BAY BAY LIF, LET'S LOOK AT WHAT THAT ENTAILS AND FIGURE OUT A SYSTEM WHERE NEXT YEAR THEY KNOW BEFORE THEY COME IN, HERE'S THE DATA WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT HERE'S WHAT WILL JUSTIFY OR NOT JUSTIFY A POSITION AND THAT WAS [03:30:01] THE CONVERSATION WE HAD IF YOU REMEMBER. >> IT'S A GREAT IDEA. IT'S A GREAT ROAD MAP. >> I REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION >> I THINK COMMISSIONER IF I MAY. >> GO AHEAD. >> I THINK YOUR IDEA OF THESE POSITIONS STARTING THEM ON 1-1 WILL SAVE US MONEY IT'S THE GIST OF YOUR MONEY AM I RIGHT. >> THAT TOO, YES, ABSOLUTELY. >> INCORPORATING THAT'S THOUGHT PROCESS. >> IT WILL SAVE US MONEY BUT IT WILL MAKE NEXT YEAR EVEN HARDER. >> THERE WILL BE DIFFERET DEMANDS AND REQUIREMENTS AND THERE WILL BE A WHOLE NEW ASSORTMENT. >> WHAT I WILL SAY IS OCA RECORDS OR OCA NUMBERS ARE PUBLIC RECORD I MEAN YOU CAN CHECK THOSE OUT AND I DO THINK THAT JP SMITH DOESN'T HAVE A CASE LODE THAT IS JUSTIFIED FOR A CLERK. >> AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HAMMER. LIKE I WANT TO KEEP THE JP2-1 AND THE JP5, THE KRBLE 2 DEPUTY AND THE ASSOCIATE JUDGE POSITION MANAGEMENT ANALYST, AUTO THEFT DETECTIVE, EVERYTHING ELSE I AM OKAY LOSING. WHICH IS BASICALLY THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST. >> I SEE A GAME OF POKER HERE, GUYS. LET'S DO THIS. I LOVE IT. >> ALL RIGHT. SO IF WE LOOK AT THIS LIST, LET'S TRY TO KNOCK THESE OUT REAL QUICK. SO ALL THE WAY FROM THE VERY FIRST LINE ONE, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO. >> WHAT PAGE ARE YOU REFERENCING. >> CAN WE JUST VOTE ON THREE SROS? CAN WE VOTE ON THAT RIGHT NOW. LET'S DO IT. I MAKE A MOTION FOR THE THREE SROS. >> IT INCLUDES MEANS FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC TO FOLLOW ALONG. >> THE ESTABLISHED OR THE PAY -- THE SALARY FOR OUR PORTION OF THREE SROS. >> AND SROS ARE THOSE OFFICERS FROM THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT THAT ARE WORKING INSIDE OUR SCHOOLS. I JUST TO MAKE IT IF THEY FOLLOW ALONG. >> QUICK QUESTION BEFORE YOU DO THAT DO WE WANT TO START WITH THE FIRST ONE WHICH IS THE ASSOCIATE JUDGE AND THEN GO DOWN? YOU WANT TO GO DOWN THE LIST? >> LET'S DO THAT. >> THAT'S FINE. >> OKAY. >> REAL QUICK, COURT, BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, I HAVE A QUESTION, IF THE AIM IS TO LOWER OUR TAX RATE, CAN WE DETERMINE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH WHAT I HAD AS THE RESERVE OR EXTRA MONEY? IS THAT WANTING TO BE TAKEN AWAY TO LOWER THE RATE. >> CAN WE PUT EVERYTHING INTO RESERVE POT FOR RIGHT NOW. >> WE'LL KEEP THE FUNDING FOR ASSOCIATE JUDGE. >> SECOND. >> GOT A SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> NO. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES. WELL THERE IT WENT. >> SO I WOULD TO YOUR POINT, MA'AM, THAT ASSOCIATE JUDGE, THE ONE -- IT WAS 3-2 IN OPPOOPPOSI. IF THAT'S THE CASE, AGAIN, WHENEVER WE DID -- WENT THROUGH THIS THE FIRST TIME WE ADDED THE NEW ATTORNEY THREE FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND JUVENILE PROGRAMS SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT COURT, THAT WOULD BE A POSITION THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ELIMINATED OR WOULD NEED TO BE. >> THEY WERE IN CONCERT. >> CORRECT. SO I WOULD MOVE FOR THE REMOVAL OF THAT POSITION. FROM THE CURRENT BUDGET. >> I'VE GOT A MOTION AND I WANTED TO SEE IF WE GOT A SECOND. FOR REMOVAL OF THAT ATTORNEY THAT WOULD BE DEALING WITH A MENTAL HEALTH COMPONENT. >> OKAY. THE NEW ATTORNEY THREE. >> YEAH, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO SUPPORT THE ASSOCIATE COUNTY LAW JUDGE. IF THERE'S A SECOND. >> TO REMOVE IT. >> YES. I DON'T HAVE A SECOND YET. >> I MEAN, IF IT'S NOT -- >> I DON'T KNOW. I'VE GOT SOMEONE WILLING TO SPEAK ON IT TO CLARIFY BUT I WANT TO NOT INTERRUPT THIS EFFORT. SO LET'S PAUSE AND GIVE MR. COX A MINUTE AND YOU'VE ALREADY INTRODUCED YOURSELF ON THIS AGENDA ITEM SO YOU'RE GOOD PLEASE TELL US ABOUT THE VALUE OF THIS POSITION. >> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IS NOT A POSITION WE'RE REQUESTING JUST FOR STAFFING THE MAGISTRATE. IT WAS PRIMARILY TO SUPPORT OUR MENTAL HEALTH EFFORTS BECAUSE OF THE EXPLOSION OF THE PROGRAMS THAT HAVE BEEN OPERATING AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN OUR JAILS THAT HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND WE ARE JUST STRETCHED TOO THIN. WE WERE GOING TO THROW THAT PERSON INTO THE JUVENILE COURT SOME BUT IT WAS PRIMARILY TO SUPPORT MENTAL HEALTH. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH CAN WE PULL IT OFF THE CHOPPING BLOCK. >> I'LL REMOVE MINE. >> SO WE'RE KEEPING THAT ONE. NEXT ONE. WHO WANTS TO KEEP GOING. COMMISSIONER HAMMER WHAT'S THE NEXT ONE. >> THREE NEW DEPUTY SRO'S. >> I MOVE WE KEEP THOSE IN CALL THE ROLE. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. [03:35:02] >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES. THREE SROS HEADING YOUR WAY. >> ONE NEW ATTORNEY THREE FOR THE JUVENILE MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAMS. >> NOW WE MAY HAVE HAD A LITTLE CONFUSION COMMISSIONER SMITH THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE ONE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. >> THAT WAS THE ONE I WAS TALKING ABOUT. >> OKAY. SO I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE CONFUSION. >> I THINK SCOTT WAS SETTING THAT MONEY ASIDE; RIGHT? SCOTT? FOR THE NEW ELECTED OFFICIALS TO COME IN. >> UNTIL 1-1. THAT WAS GOING TO HAVE A 1-1 START DATE. >> I STILL WANT TO MAKE SURE TO BE FAIR TO COMMISSIONER SMITH, HIS FRAMING I THINK WAS ABOUT SUPPORTING THE ASSOCIATE JUDGE AND I THINK MR. COX'S RESPONSE WAS RELATED TO THIS POSITION. SO CAN WE GET SOME CLARIFICATION FROM MR. COX? >> WE JUST DID. >> I THINK WE SPOKE ON THIS ONE BUT WE WERE ACTUALLY ASKING ABOUT THE SUPPORT FOR THE ASSOCIATE JUDGE. THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT POSITIONS. IT'S THE SAME? YOU CONFUSED EVERYONE. OKAY THEN NEVER MIND. >> SO MY QUESTION IS, WE DID VOTE AS A BLOCK ON ALL OF THE CHANGES AND REGRADES FOR THE DA'S OFFICE AND THAT PASSED ON A 3-2 VOTE, I WOULD VEARTH NO RATR NOT RECONSIDER THAT. >> DOES THAT INCLUDE THE ASSOCIATE JUDGE. >> NO. IT DID NOT. >> I WANT TO KEEP ORDER THE BEST I CAN. >> LET'S DO ALL THESE -- WE'LL DO ALL THESE AS A BLOCK. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO HELP ME TO GO DOWN THE LIST. >> OKAY SO MOTION TO KEEP OR TO RE REMOVE THREE FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND JUVENILE PROGRAMS. >> THAT'S WHERE WE WERE. KEEP OR REMOVE THE ATTORNEY CHARGED WITH MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT. IS YOUR MOTION TO KEEP OR REMOVE. >> SHE'S READING IT. SHE'S READING IT FOR ME ALLOW. >> I OFFER MY BUDGET AMENDMENT I'M GOING OFF OF THAT. >> I'M GOING TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT OR PARDON ME, I'M GOING TO OFFER A MOTION. A MOTION. TO KEEP ONE NEW ATTORNEY THREE MENTAL HEALTH AND JUVENILE PROGRAMS, ONE NEW REGRADE TO LEGAL ASSISTANT TO PARALEGAL, REGRADE ONE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TWO TO FINANCE SPECIALIST ONE, ADDITIONAL REGRADE ATTORNEY 7 TO DIVISION LEADERS AND AN ADDITIONAL OPERATIONAL FUNDS FOR CONTINUED EDUCATION AS ONE MOTION TO REMAIN IN THE BUDGET FOR THE DA'S OFFICE. >> SECOND. NOW WE CAN TALK. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> JUST ONCE AGAIN, I THINK WE H HAD -- LIKE YOU SAID WE HAD ALREADY APPROVED THOSE BUT THEY WERE GOING TO BE KEPT IN SOMEWHERE, SCOTT. >> IT WOULD BE COUNTY-WIDE IN SALARY ADJUSTMENTS. >> CORRECT. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF CONTINUING EDUCATION WHICH THEY MAY NEED PRIOR TO THAT. >> THAT IS CORRECT, COMMISSIONER. >> SOUNDS GOOD. >> SO WHAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED? THE REGRADES. >> IT'S JUST IN COUNTY WIDE UNTIL THE NEW ELECTED OFFICIAL COMES IN. >> GOT YEAH. OKAY. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECONDER, ANYTHING ELSE. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> NO. NEXT ONE. >> AUTO THEFT DETECTIVE. >> REMOVE. >> SECOND. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> KEEP. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES. >> THE NEXT IS OVERALL SALARY INCREASES. NEXT. >> JUVENILE DIVISION COORDINATOR. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> THE NEXT ONE IS THE JUVENILE DIVISION COORDINATOR. >> THAT'S WHAT SHE JUST SAID. >> I'M JUST GOING DOWN THE LIST. >> SHE WAS HELPING AND THEN YOU STARTED TAKING OVER. SORRY. THE IDEA WAS WASN'T THAT THE ONE WE HAD THE GREAT PRESENTATION ABOUT. >> CORRECT. >> I MOVE WE KEEP THAT ONE. >> SECOND. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> NO. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES. NEXT ONE. >> AXON WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. >> AXON IS DONE, WHAT'S NEXT. >> ELECTIONS EQUIPMENT. >> OKAY WE ALREADY GOT THAT ONE. YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT JENNIFER, YOU'RE SAFE. >> I'M SORRY, I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THAT. >> WE'RE PLAYING RAPID FIRE GAME RIGHT NOW, MA'AM. >> I KNOW, THIS WILL BE QUICK. I KNOW THERE'S AN OPTION ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW WHICH YOU ALL HAVE AS THE 9:59 BUT THERE IS AN OPTION FOR A LOWER PAYMENT ON THE FIRST YEAR. >> OF WHAT, ELECTIONS. >> FOR THE ELECTIONS EQUIPMENT. SO I BELIEVE THAT IS NOW 3 HUNDRED 00 YES. >> THAT'S CORRECT. [03:40:03] LET ME POLL UP THAT UPDATED QUOTE. >> THAT MAKES IT FOR PALATABLE JENNIFER >>> FROM A FINANCIAL SUSTAINABILITY PERSPECTIVE I DON'T SUGGEST DOING THAT. I THINK NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO BE WORSE THAN THIS YEAR I THINK IN PROPERTY VALUATIONS SO WE'RE GOING TO BE RELYING ON NEW CONSTRUCTION. >> I WOULD AGREE. >> FAIR ENOUGH. >> IF Y'ALL ARE GOING TO DO IT I'M SORRY BUT IF Y'ALL ARE GOING TO DO IT ADOPT IT AT THAT POINT RATE SUSTAINABILITY PURPOSES. >> IN SUMMARY, NOT INTERPRETING IT FOR YOU GUYS IN SUMMARY SHE'S SAYING IT'S TIGHT NOW I SEE IT AS GETTING TIGHTER NEXT YEAR AND I AGREE WITH HER. SO ELECTIONS EQUIPMENT DOES IT NEED TO BE VOTED ON LET'S VOTE ON IT ONE MORE TIME TO BE SAFE. >> THERE WERE TWO OPTIONS THOUGH JENNIFER, I THINK WAS THE FIRST OPTION TO PAY IN 3RS THE SECOND TO PAY IN FOUR YEARS. STILL WITH A LOW PAY FIRST YEAR OF 300. >> ABOUT 6000,000 AND THEN YEAR TWO OR THREE WOULD BE STEPPED UP. >> AND IT WOULD GIVE US MORE. >> MORE PALATABLE. >> TO LOWER THAT PAYMENT EVEN LOWER FOR YEARS TWO, THREE AND FOUR. I MEAN THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO DO -- I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME. >> YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. >> YEAH. SO I MEAN IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER -- YOU KNOW, AND STRETCH THAT OUT EVEN FURTHER. I KNOW THERE'S STILL SOME NOS BUT I'M TRYING DETERMINE WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COURT AND HOW WE MOVE FORWARD. IF IT'S A 3 YEAR PAYMENT OR IF IT'S A 4 YEAR PAYOFF I MEAN. >> LET ME -- I'M PULLING UP THE QUOTE I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU Y'ALL THE TERMS FROM THAT NEW QUOTE. >> CAN WE DO THAT AND TAKE LIKE 2 MINUTES. >> I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. THAT'S FINE. NO PROBLEM. OH GOOD, SHE FOUND IT. THANKS FOR NOTHING, SCOTT. I'M JUST KIDDING YOU'VE BEEN SO MAG NIFENT I'M TOTALLY PLAYING. >> 650 FLAT THE FIRST YEAR, 768057 AND 60 CENTS ON YEARS 2, 3 AND 4. >> LAST NUMBER ONE MORE TIME. >> I'M SORRY, 748 -- 768... >> IT WAS 650 THE FIRST YEAR AND 1.1, I CAN'T REMEMBER THOSE NUMBERS. >> FOR YEAR TWO AND THREE. SO THIS SIGNIFICANTLY WOULD DECREASE IT FOR THE SECOND AND THIRD YEAR. >> I WOULD SAY GO -- CAN WE RUN THE NUMBERS ON THE 4 YEAR OPTION AT 650 FOR YEAR ONE. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HAMMER ON THE SUSTAINABILITY IF WE HAVE TO DO IT IN THREE YEARS BUT IF THERE'S A 4 YEAR OPTION, IT MAKES SENSE AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT. >> YEAH AND THE INCREASE OVER ALL WASN'T. >> NOT SUBSTANTIAL. >> WE WANT TO UPDATE THE NUMBER 650 OR DO YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT THAT DOES TO THE TAX RATE. >> 650 AND THE IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE ON THE TAX RATE AND I WOULD MOVE TO ADOPT -- I WOULD MOVE TO KEEP THE VOTING EQUIPMENT IN THERE WITH THE 4 YEAR OPTION AT 650,000 FOR THE FIRST YEAR. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO KEEP THE 650K FOR THE ELECTIONS EQUIPMENT AND STRETCH IT OVER FOUR YEARS WHILE YOU WERE GONE AND WE HAVE A SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> NO. I SAY NO BUT I KNOW YOU HAD THE VOTES BUT I STILL SAY NO. OKAY. NEXT ONE. COMMISSIONER HAMMER, NEXT ONE. >> OKAY. SO NOW GOING TO THE THREE NEW JUSTICE CLERKS. JP1-1, 2-1 AND 5. >> I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT FOR TWO BUT WE ARE GOING TO WAIT UN UNTIL. >> JANUARY. >> UNTIL JANUARY. HAVE YOU CAPTURED THAT OR DO WE NEED TO CALL THE ROLL FOR IT. CALL THE ROLL. >> HERE IT SAYS THREE ON THIS BUT WE HAD AGREED TO TWO. >> SO THE MOTION IS TO KEEP TWO, CAN I GET A SECOND. STARTING JANUARY 1. >> SECOND. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES. NEXT ONE, COMMISSIONER HAMMER. > ALL RIGHT, ONE NEW DEPUTY CONSTABLE FOR PRECINCT TWO, CONSTABLE TWO. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> AND 1-1 START DATE. >> AND AGAIN. >> THAT'S NOT ON HERE BUT YEAH. >> THE REVIEW. >> WE NEED TO DO THE REVIEW. [LAUGHTER]. >> REVIEW WILL BE IN MOTION. [03:45:02] >> DID WE TALK ABOUT DOING A REVIEW FOR THE CONSTABLES? I DO NOT REMEMBER THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY FOR CIVIL SERVICE, THEY COULD SAY WE NEED FIVE MORE. HOW DO WE KNOW? >> TO BE CLEAR, KRBLE CONSTABLE -- >> FOR THE SERVICES IT'S STILL PAID FOR. >> I SAID THE WRONG THING. YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT SERVING PAPERS. I MEANT SERVING PAPERS. I KNEW YOU FOLLOWED THE STORY. CIVIL PROCESS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. >> AND THAT CONVERSATION HAPPENED DURING THE AUGUST 18 MEETING WE DO AN VALATION OF THE JP AND AS CONSTABLES >> I THINK DOING VALATION IS IMPORTANT. I'M GOING TO MOVE TO GIVE IT TO PRECINCT TWO. >> I ALREADY HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES. >> OKAY. JUST TO CLARIFY BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO ANYTHING ELSE, I REALLY DO WHENEVER WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS I DO WANT THAT VALUATION FOR WHOMEVER IS SITTING ON THIS COURT NEXT YEAR BECAUSE NOT ONLY DOES IT GIVE US CLARIFICATIONS OR Y'ALL CLARIFICATION AS COURT MEMBERS BUT IT GIVES A TRUE -- IT GIVES A TRUE GOAL OR TARGET FOR OUR CONSTABLES AND OUR JPS TO SHOOT FOR AND UNDERSTAND WHENEVER THEY COME IN HERE WHAT THAT VALUATION LOOKS LIKE AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY COULD OR MIGHT NOT NOT BE SUCCESSFUL AND I DON'T -- I THINK WE PIECEMEALED IT FOR SO LONG THAT IT'S -- AND I'M NOT GOING TO SINGLE OUT ANY OF OUR CONSTABLES OR OW JPS BUT IF THEY CAN TALK TO ENOUGH COMMISSIONERS AND CONVINCE ENOUGH COMMISSIONERS THEY GET A NEW PERSON. IT HAS NO SEMBLANCE IN WHAT THE DATA SAYS AND WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE DATA. >> I LOVE LUCY EPISODE, HOW MANY CHOCOLATES ARE YOU MOVING TO THAT CONVEYOR BELT. IF IT'S NOT THAT MONEY WELL -- MANY THEN WE DON'T NEED MORE PEOPLE. >> YES, SIR WE HEAR YOU AND WE ALREADY HAVE MEETINGS SCHEDULED FOR BOTH GROUPS IN OCTOBER. >> WE WON'T BRING IT UP AGAIN. WE HEAR YOU. YOU GOT IT. NEXT ONE COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> ONE MORE PARK SUPERVISOR EFFECTIVE 1-1-27. >> SECOND. >> SHE'S READING. >> MOTION TO KEEP IT. >> OKAY JUST SO YOU KNOW SHE'S READING NOT MOTIONING BUT NOW SHE'S MOTIONED AND COMMISSIONER SMITH HAS SECONDED. A PARKS SUPERVISOR. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES. >> OKAY ONE MU ASSISTANT ADOTOR PAYROLL MANAGER. >> I MOVE TO KEEP IT IN THE BUDGET. UDITOR PAYROLL MANAGER. >> I MOVE TO KEEP IT IN THE BUDGET. NO SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT, MOVING. >> CUT, NEXT. SHOULD WE HAVE A MOTION TO DELETE? I MOVE THAT WE DELETE THE POS POSITION. >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES. NEXT ONE COMMISSIONER. >> PRETRIAL ONE NEW JUDICIAL SERVICES OFFICER. ONE. >> I'D LIKE TO MENTION TO THE COURT THAT THIS WAS THE POSITION THAT WAS APPROVED LAST WEEK AND SO IT WAS ESTABLISHED FUNDING FOR IT. >> OKAY SO WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE ON THAT. >> IT'S UP TO THE COURT, Y'ALL CAN STILL VOTE ON IT. IF YOU VOTE AGAINST IT THAT WOULD BE MY JOB AS A BUDGET OFFICERS TO TRY AND FIND FIUNDIG FOR IT. >> WE'RE LEAVING IT IN. >> NEXT. >> ONE MORE MANAGEMENT ANALYST. >> MOVE TO KEEP. >> SECOND. >> WHAT ARE THEY ANALYZING? >> PART OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES WOULD BE TO ASSIST OUR JPS AND CONSTABLES WITH DOING BAD -- IN DEPTH ANALYSIS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RESOURCES NEEDED AND HELP OUT WITH LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS AND COUNTY-WIDE REVIEWS OF VARIOUS INITIATIVES AND ANY METRICS THAT NEED TO BE ASSIGNED TO IT. >> OOF, OKAY WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> NO. NEXT ONE. >> ALL RIGHT. ONE NEW ASSISTANT HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR. I'M GUESSING IT'S EFFECTIVE 4-1, IT JUST SAYS F. >> MAY I SAY BEFORE WE MOVE ON THESE OTHER POSITIONS CAN THEY BE EFFECTIVE 1-1. [03:50:01] WELL, I DON'T KNOW THE JUVENILE SERVICE OFFICER WHAT DID WE DETERMINE ON THAT. WAS THERE A START DATE? >> THE START DATE WOULD BE THEY ACTUALLY WOULD START 9-1 TO WORK WITH THE GRANT. >> OKAY. THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR I'D LIKE TO MATKE A MOTION IT START 1-1 OF 27. >> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> NO. NEXT ONE. >> ONE NEW ASSISTANT HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR I GUESS THAT'S EFFECTIVE ARE WE SAYING 1-1 OR 4-1. >> THAT WAS A 10-1. I THINK THAT WAS A TYPO. I APOLOGIZE. THAT IS AN EFFECTIVE 10-1. ALTHOUGH ITS UP TO CHANGE ENTIRELY UP TO THE COURT. >> ONE ASSISTANT HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR. >> IF THE COURT DEEMS IT NECESSARY THAT CAN ALSO LEAN TO JANUARY. >> SECOND. MOVE TO APPROVE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR THE HR, I WILL SECOND, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> ONE MORE TAX SPECIALIST FOR THE TAX OFFICE. >> MOVE FOR REMOVAL. >> SECOND. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HARM. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONERCOMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> NO, NEXT. >> DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ONE MORE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH TECHNICIAN. >> MOVE TO MAINTAIN IN THE BUDGET, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS IS A POSITION WHERE THEY ARE OVERWHELMED AT THIS POINT AND THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS THAT WE'RE GETTING I THINK WE NEED THIS LEVEL. >> TO WE HAVE A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> SORRY, GUYS. YES. >> WAS THAT A YES. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> I DON'T SUPPORT BIG GOVERNMENT. NO. >> WHAT ABOUT THE 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK, DO YOU SUPPORT IT. >> LESS MICRO MANAGING OF PEOPLE. >> OKAY. THAT'S EVERYTHING. >> WHAT ELSE? GIVE ME SCISSORS. I'M READY. >> SO CAN WE JUST GIVE THAT A MOMENT. >> 10 MINUTE RECESS, WHAT ELSE. WE'RE GOING TO HIT THE REST OF THE AGENDA. >> YES, SIR SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT TAX RATE LOOKS LIKE. >> SO FOR NOW WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE, LET ME MAKE SURE WE DO THIS RIGHT. THIS AGENDA ITEM THAT IS I ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS, JORDAN WHAT'S THE TIDIEST WAY, I DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT. >> SIR, UNFORTUNATELY I DO THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A 5 MINUTE RECESS FOR US TO DO THE OTHER -- >> WE HAVE TO GET THIS DONE BEFORE WE DO THE NEXT ONE. 10 MINUTE RECESS. >> WE'LL DO IT AGAIN. WE ARE BACK, NOT YET. AND NOW WE ARE BACK FROM A SHORT RECESS TO GIVE SOME NUMBER CRUNCHING AND MAGIC BOX PUNCHING RESULTS TIME TO COME UP WITH SOME TABULATIONS AND NOW WE GO TO OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE. JUST REALLY QUICKLY AS SKY APPROACHES THE PODIUM WE DISCOVERED THAT WE NEED TO GET CLARITY ON TWO ITEMS THAT YOU ALL HAVE DISCUSSED NOW THAT WE HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, THE FIRST IS THE NEW WORLD ERP CLOUD SOFTWARE THAT THE COURT PREVIOUSLY REJECTED TO INCLUDE IN THE BUDGET BUT WE'VE GOTTEN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM OUR CO COUNTY AUDITOR AND OUR CIO, OUR DIRECTOR OF IT SERVICES LETS US KNOW THAT THE ALTERNATIVE IS MUCH MORE COSTLY SO I WILL GIVE CHRIS -- THE CHANCE TO SPEAK ON THAT. THE HE SECOND ITEM WE NEED OGET DIRECTION FROM THE COURT ON RESERVES. THESE SHOULD BE PRETTY BRIEF CONVERSATIONS WE NEED FURTHER DIRECTION FROM THE COURT. >> CHRIS, IT DIRECTOR, FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING CLEAR THE FIRST TIME IN LETTING YOU GUYS KNOW THE RISK OF NOT GOING TO THE CLOUD. I TALKED ABOUT MITIGATING DEPRECATING SOFTWARE, THIS IS A YEAR ONE INVESTMENT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE IF WE KEPT THE SYSTEMS ON PRIM WHICH MEANS WE WOULD HAVE TO REFRESH ALL OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE IT'S [03:55:02] END OF LIFE IN OCTOBER. END OF LIFE MEANS IT'S NO LONGER SUPPORTED BY MICROSOFT ITSELF SO WE HAVE TO UPGRADE THE ENTIRE PRODUCT AND GET LICENSING. THE ONLINE INVESTMENT WOULD BE 2 2 $245,883 IF WE WENT UP TO THE CLOUD WE'RE LOOKING AT 13$136,8 THERE'S ADVANTAGE OF GOING INTO CLOUD OF 108,000 AND SOME CHANGE. THE 5 YEAR INVESTMENT YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT 752,525 TO GET IT ON PRIM IN FIVE YEARS. >> SO LET ME STOP YOU THERE. SO IN SUMMARY, IF WE DO THE 40 PLUS K NOW WE SAVE THE THUNDS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. >> YEAH. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONERS. >> LET'S RECONSIDER AND I MOVE WE PUT THE 40. >> 46,500. >> BACK IN. >> CAN I GET A SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. I THANK YOU AND I'M SORRY YOU CUT US OFF A LITTLE BIT BUT YOU ALREADY HAD US AT HELLO. WHAT ELSE DO WE GOT TO DO. >> RESERVES. >> WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT RESERVES. >> SCOTT WOULD YODLAND, BUDGET OFFICER, I'M NOT SURE IF I HAVE TO DO THIS OR NOT THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO THE INITIAL AMOUNT I HAD AS RESERVES MY QUESTION TO THE COURT IS IS IT THE COURT'S DESIRE TO ELIMINATE THAT AND TOER THE TAX RATE OR KEEP IT IN AS A WAY OF BOLSTBOLSTERING. >> HOW MUCH DOES IT COME TO AFTER DELETING EVERYTHING WE DID. >> I CAN GIVE YOU BOTH THESE NUMBERS. THE ORIGINAL NUMBER WAS 333,000, IF WE WENT IN AND WE ADDED IN WHAT WE DELETED JUST TO THE RESERVE, THE TOTAL RESERVE WOULD BE 1.3 MILLION DOLLARS. >> AND HOW MUCH ARE WE COMING OUT OF CURRENT RESERVES RIGHT NOW? >> WHEN YOU SAY WHAT'S COMING OUT OF CURRENT RESERVES RIGHT NOW? >> YEAH. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE TIME EXPENDITURES, THAT IS A 3.8 MILLION. >> BUT SCOTT, WHAT IS THE TAX RATE WITH ALL THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE WITH THE RESERVES IN AND WITH THE RESERVES BACK IN RESERVES. OUT. >> LET ME CLARIFY THE QUESTION SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS WAS THE TAX RATE IF WE TOOK ALL THE RESERVES OUT? >> WELL WITH CUTTING EVERYTHING THAT WE DID, THE LIST THAT WE JUST APPROVED AND DISAPPROVED, WHAT IS OUR TAX RATE NOW IF BOTH IF WE KEPT THE RESERVES IN AND IF WE PUT THEM BACK IN RESERVES. >> SO IF WE WERE TO KEEP THAT 333,000 DOLLARS IN THEN OUR TAX RATE WOULD COME OUT TO 1.0592. IF WE WERE TO TAKE THAT 333,000 OUT THEN IT COMES OUT TO A 0.9827 TAX RATE. >> AND MY ENCOURAGEMENT WILL BE TO KEEP IN RESERVES THE BEST WE CAN BECAUSE WE DON'T SEE WHAT'S COMING AROUND THE CORNER. >> I AGREE. >> I WOULD MOVE TO MAINTAIN THE TAX RATE FOR FYI28 OR PARDON ME, FYI27 AT 1-2-6 INCLUDING CUTS WE HAVE ALL REMAINDERS OF THE FUNDS WE HAVE PUT INTO THE RESERVES. >> SO 1.2 MILLION TO PUT INTO THE RESERVES? WHAT ARE YOU SAYING. >> PUT THE CUTS INTO RESERVES. >> THAT WOULD HAVE -- >> IT STAYS AT 1-2-6 BUT ALL REMAINING FUNDS GO INTO RESERVE FOR ADDITIONAL CAP ROOM NEXT YEAR. >> I WILL SAY IF YOU CONTINUE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT NEXT YEAR WE ALREADY HAVE 6 MILLION ACCOUNTED FOR THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT; RIGHT? SO THIS NOT ONLY HELPS WITH OUR BOND AND YOU KNOW I DON'T SUPPORT AN INCREASE PERIOD; RIGHT? BUT IF THE WAY TO DO IT WAS TO -- FROM A TAX PERSPECTIVE IN SETTING US UP FOR SUCCESS NEXT YEAR IT WOULD BE TO PUT THIS MONEY IN THE RESERVES CURRENTLY AND TO MAINTAIN THAT RESERVE BALANCE. >> AND AGAIN, DOING IT IN A YEAR WHERE IF WE DO THIS INCREASE, THE AVERAGE HOMEOWNER WOULD STILL DECREASE $8 DECREASE IN REAL TAXES PAID IS THE TIME TO DO IT NOT WHEN WE HAVE YEARS WHEN PROPERTY TAXES GO UP AND OUR APPRAISALS GO UP. [04:00:02] THAT'S WHEN -- THOSE ARE THE YEARS WHERE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY. >> YEAH, LET'S JUST GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE COMING OUT OF RESERVES FOR FY27, 3.8 MILLION DOLLARS. ALL OF THE CUTS THAT WE JUST MADE GIVE US AN ADDITIONAL 1.2 MILLION DOLLARS. SO WE CAN PUT THAT INTO RESERVES AND THAT 3.8 MINUS THAT 1.2 COMES OUT TO BE 2.6 THAT YOU'RE TAKING OUT OF RESERVES INSTEAD OF THAT 3.8. THAT KEEPS THE TAX RATE THE SAME THOUGH AND DOESN'T DECREASE THE TAX RATE BUT THEN AGAIN FOR NEXT YEAR, WE HAVE THE TAX RATE OF YOU KNOW THE POINT WHAT IS IT TOTAL? I'M LOOKING AT THE INCREASE. WHAT IS IT TOTAL. >> IT WOULD BE 0.4 125. PER 100 DOLLARS. >> AGAIN, IF I NEED TO RESTATE MY MOTION I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL GET A SECOND. BUT I WOULD PRO POSE LEAVING TH TAX RATE FOR FY27 WITH AN ADDITIONAL ADDING AN ADDITIONAL 1.26 CENTS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE TODAY AND USING THE ADDITIONAL 1.2 MILLION THAT WERE IDENTIFIED FROM THE CUTS THAT WERE MADE TODAY AND PLACING THAT INTO OUR RESERVES. >> NO SECOND. OKAY WHAT ELSE. >> SO THEN YOU COME OFF OF A TAX RATE. AND THAT 1.2 MILLION INCLUDES TO LIKE WHAT, A QUARTER OF A PENNY? >> ROUGHY. A PENNY IS ABOUT 3.4 MILLION SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OVER WHAT A QUARTER WOULD BE. >> OKAY THAT BRINGS THE TAX RATE DOWN TO.9 96. >> 0.9827 IS EXACTLY WHAT IT WOULD BE. >> OKAY. GIVEN THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE TODAY THEN I WOULD PROPOSE A MOTION TO ADOPT A TAX RATE INCREASING THE CURRENT TAX RATE COULD YOU RESTATE AGAIN. >> 0.9827. >> 0.9827. FOR ADOPTION FOR FY27. CAN I GET A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> ANY ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION? >> WE COULD DO A MIX, Y'ALL COULD DO A MIXTURE WHERE YOU GO AND PUT SOME IN RESERVES. THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION TOO. >> WITH THAT TAX RATE THE 333,000 GO INTO -- >> NO. >> OH I THOUGHT. >> NO, WE DID IT ALL TOGETHER. THE 1.2 IS EVERYTHING TOGETHER. INCLUDING THE 333,000. CORRECT? >> YES, THAT IS WHAT WILL MAKE THE ONE -- THE 1.26 CENTS. SO IT WOULD BE THE 333,000 PLUS EVERYTHING THAT HE WITH JUST CUT. >> WHAT WOULD BE THE OFFSET IF WE DID A ONE CENT INCREASE WHAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR RESERVES ABOVE THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE NOW? >> THIS IS WHEN I SAY WE NEED A WHITE BOARD. I REALLY WANT A WHITE BOARD. >> SO IT WOULD BE THE OFFSET BETWEEN THE 0.9. >> I THOUGHT KEEPING THE 333,000 THE TAX RATE WOULD BE 0.1952. >> IT DID NOT INCLUDE THAT. IT DID INCLUDE THAT? >> IT DOES. >> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. >> THE 0.9827 DOES NOT INCLUDE THOSE RESERVES I THOUGHT. >> HOLD ON. SO THAT ORIGINAL AMOUNT YOU SAW IN THE SPREAD SHEET IN POTENTIAL RESERVES THAT WAS 33,000. IF WE WERE TO INCLUDE THAT IN THAT'S WHAT GIVES US THE TAX RATE OF 1.0592 CENTS. >> IF YOU HAVE THE 333,000 WHAT IS THAT NUMBER. >> WHEN EXCLUDEING IT IT'S THE NUMBER WE DISCUSSED EARLIER. .9827. >> SO Y'ALL ARE MIXING THAT >> OKAY. SO FOR CLARITY PURPOSES, HAVING 333,000 DOLLARS IN RESERVES WITH EVERYTHING WE JUST AGREED UPON WOULD BRING THE TAX RATE INCREASE TO 1.059 2. PUTTING THAT 333,000 DOLLARS INTO OUR TAX RATE TO LOWER IT WOULD BRING THE TAX RATE TO 0.9 827. >> YES. >> IT HELPS BUNDLE THINGS. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. I'D RATHER HEAR IT TWICE THAN [04:05:02] NOT AT ALL. SO IT'S GREAT. NEW MOTION, COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. I MOVE TO ADOPT THE TAX RATE INCREASE OF 0.9827 FOR FY2017 INCLUDING ALL THE ADDITIONAL ITEMS WHICH WE VOTED UPON TODAY AND THE CORRECTIONS THAT WE DID TO THE BUDGET TODAY WITH THE CLARIFICATION THAT IT WAS JUST PROVIDED. >> DID YOU SAY THE TAX RATE? DID THAT SKIP MY HEAD. >> YEAH. >> BUT I THOUGHT WE JUST MADE THAT MOTION. >> WELL BECAUSE THERE WAS -- >> HE ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION. >> SORRY COMMISSIONER AS THE CHAIR CAN YOU SHAKE THE ETCH- ETCH-A-SKETCH. >> CAN YOU GIVE ME WHAT THE TOTAL OVER ALL TAX RATE WOULD BE. >> THE MNO FOR THAT WOULD BE 0.2642 AND THE OVER ALL WOULD BE 0.4047. >> A LITTLE FURTHER FROM THE MIC. IT WILL SOUND BETTER. >> CAN YOU GIVE ME THE TOTAL TAX RATE. >> 40.47. >> 40.47 CENTS PER 100 DOLLARS. >> ALL RIGHT. LET'S TRY THIS ONE MORE TIME. I MOVE TO ADOPT AN OVER ALL TAX RATE OF 40.47 INCLUDING AN INCREASE FROM FY2016 OF 0.9827 FOR FY27 INCLUDING ALL THE CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED CHANGE WHICH WERE ADOPTED TODAY. >> SECOND. >> IN SUMMARY THAT IS TAKING THE $330,000 OUT OF RESERVES TO LOWER THE TAX RATE. >> WE'RE PUTTING THOSE INTO RESERVES, YES. >> FY2026. I APOLOGIZE. >> LET ME READ SOME MORE NUMBERS. [LAUGHTER]. >> EXACTLY. >> NO. >> CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> NO. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> NO. NEXT. >> ALL RIGHT. NOW WE HAVE THE STATUTORY -- DON'T WE HAVE THE STATUTORY. >> WE HAVE A COUPLE ONES HALF, YEP. >> SO WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS READY, THOSE MOTIONS IF YOU GIVE US ONE SECOND. THE TAX RATE I JUST WANT TO SAY IT BACK TO YOU ALL, YOU ALL VOTED ON AN INCREASE OF 0.9827 FOR A TOTAL TAX RATE OF 0.4047. >> CORRECT. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. >> I APOLOGIZE, CLERK, CAN WE REDO THAT I DO NOT MOVE OVER THE HALF CENT FROM THE RODIN BRIDGE WHEN ADDING THAT SO IT WOULD COME OUT TO BE 0.4097. THAT WOULD BE THE NUMBER WITH THE CORRECT RODIN BRIDGE RATE. >> OKAY LET ME JUST CLARIFY BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, OUR TOTAL GENERAL TAX RELATE RATE WOULD BE 0.4097. >> YES. >> OKAY. THAT IS CORRECT, COMMISSIONER. >> I WANT RECONFIRMATION OF THAT BEFORE I DO THIS A FOURTH TIME. >> YES. I APOLOGIZE. THAT IS CORRECT. >> JUST FURTHER AWAY FROM THE MIC BECAUSE IT REALLY CRACKLES UP. SORRY, BUDDY. >> SO THAT WAS PUTTING BACK, DID YOU SAY PUTTING BACK THE HALF CENT. >> NO, MY ORIGINAL CALCULATION DIDN'T INCLUDE THE HALF CENT BEING ADDED TO MNO. SO THAT'S TAKEN THE HALF CENT THAT WE HAD MOVED OVER ORIGINALLY. I WAS TAKING LAST YEAR'S RATE AND ADDING THEM OUT BUT WE HAD MOVED OVER THE HALF CENT FROM THE RODIN BRIDGE SO THAT'S TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. >> SO 0.4097. >> BUT THE 0.9827 INCREASE IS STILL THE EXACT SAME. >> SO JUST FOR THE HECK OF IT, COMMISSIONER SMITH JUST RESTATE YOUR MOTION AND VOTE AGAIN FOR THE 0.4097 RATE. >> CORRECT. I MOVE TO ADOPT AN OVER ALL TAX RATE OF 0.4097 FOR FY2027 WHICH EQUATES TO AN INCREASE OF 0.9827 CENTS. FOR THAT BUDGET. >> 9827. >> 27 CENTS INCLUDING ALL THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET ARE ADOPTED TODAY. I SEE NODDING FROM BUDGET AND LEGAL SO TELL ME I'M RIGHT AND [04:10:02] THE AUDITOR. >> I'M GOING TO RECAP. HERE WE GO. LISTEN UP. COMMISSIONER SMITH JUST MOTIONED COMMISSIONER INGALSBE JUST SECONDED AND THAT MOTION IS FOR A TAX RATE FOR FY2027 OF 0.4098 WHICH IS AN INCREASE OF 0.9827. THAT IS WHAT THE VOTE IS FOR. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> STILL NO. NEXT. >> OKAY. NOW THERE'S THE STATUTORY MOTIONS. >> YEP. WE HAVE TO WAIT TO GET THOSE FILLED OUT. >> LET'S GET TO IT. WE'RE GOING TO WAIT -- DO YOU NEED A LITTLE TIME? WE CAN HIT A COUPLE OTHERS. >> YEAH. >> OKAY YOU NEED MORE TIME LET'S OPEN THE TABLED ITEM THAT WAS G15 WE GOT SOME INFO NOW ON IT. [G.15. Authorize repairs to the freezer unit at the Juvenile Detention Center from SI Mechanical, in the amount of $18,775.86, and amend the budget accordingly. INGALSBE/WARE/HUNT] G15 PLEASE. >> G15 AUTHORIZE REPAIRS TO THE FRASER UNIT AT THE JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER IN THE AMOUNT OF 187$18,775.86 AND AMEND THE BUDGET ACCORDINGLY. >> CAN WE GET A MOTION TO SECOND. >> SO MOVED. >> THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE ON IT WE'RE GOING TO TABLE IT AND BRING IT BACK. >> I JUST WANTED TO OPEN IT FOR THE CONVERSATION. >> SECOND. >> MOTION, SECOND. THANK YOU. NOW WE CAN DISCUSS. >> STEPHANIE, PURCHASING AGENT I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH JOEL IN THE BACKGROUND SO THE FRASER UNIT THAT WAS BEING QUESTIONED IS COMBINED WITH THE ACTUAL COOLER UNIT SO IT'S A BIG RECTANGLE ONE SIDE IS FREEZER ONE SIDE IS COOLER SO IF WE WANT TO REPLACE THE FREEZER WE HAVE TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE UNIT MEANING THE COOLER AND THE FREEZER. THE UNIT IS A 2002 UNIT AND SO IT IS PASSED ITS TIME PROBABLY TO GET REPLACED. AND A QUICK SEARCH WE DID FIND ONE THAT IS SAME SIZE AS THE CURRENT ONE. IT IS ROUGHLY 35,000 DOLLARS BUT IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE TEAR OUT OF THE EXISTING UNIT AND REPLACEMENT OF A NEW -- IT IS GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET WHAT THAT ACTUAL INSTALL WOULD COVER. I DID ASK JOELLE IF WE BROUGHT SOMETHING BACK ON THE 29TH WOULD THAT GIVE THEM ENOUGH TIME TO KIND OF GET SOMEBODY OUT THERE TO LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD COST TO DO THE FULL INSTALL AND WHAT NOT SO WE WOULD HAVE A MORE ACCURATE QUOTE, HE SAID THAT WOULD WORK. AND THAT THEY COULD WAIT FOR THAT. >> OKAY SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME I'D LIKE TO SEE AN ENTERTAIN TO TABLE TO GET MORE INFORMATION. >> MOTION TO TABLE. >> CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES >> OKAY Y'ALL ARE GOING TO HATE THIS BUT GUY WE HAVE TO REOPEN THE LAST ONE AGAIN. BECAUSE IT WAS NOT AN INCREASE OF 0.9827. IT'S 0 -- IT'S AN INCREASE OF 0.09827. >> OKAY. >> LET'S JUST WRITE IT OUT. >> DIDN'T WE DO THAT UNDER 12? I THINK SO. I JUST WANT YOU TO CHECK, JORDAN. I THINK IT WAS UNDER 12. YEAH WE CAN DO IT UNDER 16. [K.12. 11:00 A.M. - Hold a final public hearing for the Fiscal Year 2027 Hays County Proposed Budget. Possible action may follow. BECERRA/WOODLAND (Part 2 of 2)] LET'S JUST OPEN 12 AGAIN. PLEASE OPEN K-12. WE'LL GET THAT, COMMISSIONER, 2 SECONDS. >> HOLD A FINAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 HAYS COUNTY PROPOSED BUDGET. POSSIBLE ACTION MAY FOLLOW >> SO MOVED. >> I HAVE A MOTION. I MOVE TO ADOPT THE TAX RATE OF 0 0.4097 PER 100 DOLLAR VALUE WEIGHS INCLUDING INCREASE OF 0.0927 CENTS FROM HUNDRED DOLLAR VALUATION UP FROM FISCAL YEAR 2026 FOR FY27. >> SECOND. >> WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND THAT IS TO INCREASE OUR TAX RATE TO 0.4097 AND IT WILL BE AN INCREASE OF 0.098 -- SORRY, 0.09827. >> CORRECT. >> I HAVE A LOT OF NUMBERS OVER HERE TOO. [04:15:02] >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. [K.14. Discussion and possible action to adopt the Fiscal Year 2027 Hays County budget after making final changes as a result of the public hearing. BECERRA/WOODLAND] >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> NO. NOW I THINK WE'RE READY FOR K14. >> DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 HAYS COUNTY BUDGET AFTER MAKING FINAL CHANGES AS A RESULT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS TO CAPTURE OUR -- CAPTURE THE DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE WORKSHOP. OR THE PUBLIC HEARING I MEAN. SO JORDAN HOW SHOULD WE ARTICULATE NUMBER 14. TO ADOPT ALL THE THINGS THAT WE DID. >> I WAS ACTUALLY. >> I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT SCOTT RECOMMENDED. >> THERE'S CERTAIN VERGEAGE. >> YOU'LL HAVE A DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF YOU WHERE YOU CAN READ OFF AND SAY AS PRESENTED AS THE BUDGET OFFICER BUT I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON ANYONE'S TOES. >> SO LAST YEAR WE DID NOT GO BACK THROUGH THE LIST IT WAS LISTED AS PRESENTED BY THE BUDGET OFFICER AND THOSE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE MADE. SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE LIST AGAIN. >> PERFECT. A PRELOADED MOTION. >> SO BECAUSE WE'RE SHORT ON TIME IT MAY BE HELPFUL IF SCOTT JUST GOES BACK THROUGH THE LIST OF THE THINGS THAT WERE APPROVED AND THEN WE HAVE THE OTHER TWO VOTES WHERE YOU ARE RATIFIES BECAUSE YOU HAVE A TAX INCREASE AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY APPROVING THE TAX RATE SO WE CAN DO THAT IF THE COURT WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH SCOTT'S READ THROUGH THE LIST OF THINGS THAT WERE AMENDED DURING TODAY'S DISCUSSION. >> DO WE NEED THE LIST READ? I DON'T THINK SO. SKIP THE LIST READING. OKAY. NEXT. >> SO WE NEED YOU TO ACTUALLY APPROVE THOUGH THE FY27 BUDGET WITH THE AMENDMENTS YOU MADE TODAY. >> OKAY. SO I MOVE THAT -- WELL NO, COMMISSIONER SMITH JUST MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS. >> I MOVE TO INCLUDE IN THE BUDGET THE AMENDMENTS APPROVED TODAY. >> IS THAT 14? >> THIS IS ACTUALLY 14, YES, MA'AM. >> YES, MA'AM AND THEN WE HAVE K15 WHERE THEY HAVE THOSE MOTIONS WRITTEN OUT FOR Y'ALL. >> AND 16. >> AND 16. SO THIS IS JUST FORMALIZING, DOUBLE DOWNING ON ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS OR DELETIONS, ADDITIONS THAT WE MADE DURING OUR PUBLIC HEARING. >> AND TO ACTUALLY ADOPT THE FY27 BUDGET. >> YES. IT'S CAPTURING ALL THAT WORK. SO COMMISSIONER INGALSBE WILL BE SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> NO. DO WE WAIT FOR 15? I CAN SKIP TO ANOTHER ITEM IN THE MEANTIME. YOU NEED A LITTLE TIME, CANDICE? [N.1. Discussion related to the Hays County inmate population, to include current population counts and costs. BECERRA] IT'S FINE. IN THAT CASE LET'S OPEN THE STANDING AGENDA ITEM OF N1. >> N1, DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE HAYS COUNTY INMATE POPULATION TO INCLUDE CURRENTLY POPULATION COUNTS AND COSTS. >> THE SHERIFF OFFICE SENDS MY OFFICE MAXIMUM JAIL CAPACITY, IT'S STILL 464 INMATES. JAIL STANDARDS RECOMMENDS HOLDING 10% OF THAT CAST OPEN WHICH LOWERS IT 417. THE JAILS DAILY AVERAGE WAS HOWEVER 527 WITH A PEAK OF 533 ON SEPTEMBER 10TH. THE ESTIMATED COST FOR OUT SOURCING INMATES THIS WEEK WAS 67 $67,547.50 THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF O OUTSOURCE MALES WAS 94 AND FEMALES WERE ZERO. ONE, HAVSCLE AND WE HAVE 39 PAPR READY INMATES THOSE THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM, HAD THEIR DAY IN COURT AND FOUND GUILTY AND NOW STATE INMATES INSTEAD OF COUNTY INMATES. HOW MUCH TIME WAS THAT FOR YOU? GOOD? [K.15. Discussion and possible action to ratify the property tax increase reflected in the Fiscal Year 2027 Hays County Budget. BECERRA/WOODLAND] READY. LET'S OPEN K15. >> K15. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO RATIFY THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE REFLECTED IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 HAYS COUNTY BUDGET. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. SCOTT. OR CANDICE. WE ALREADY HAVE IT DONE AND READY TO READ. >> CORRECT AND WE HAVE THE MOTIONS FOR K15. >> WHO WILL READ IT. >> I HAVE IT. I MOVE TO RATIFY THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE REFLECTED IN THE [04:20:03] FISCAL THE YEAR 2027 BUDGET THE PROPOSED BUDGET WILL RAISE MORE MONEY FROM PROPERTY TAXES FROM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET BY AMOUNT OF $450,335 OR 0.25% INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE TO BE RAISED FROM NEW PROPERTY ADDED TO THE TAX ROLE THIS YEAR IS 6 MILLION... >> SECOND. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. [K.16. Discussion and possible action to approve an order adopting the tax rate for Fiscal Year 2027 and levy the taxes. BECERRA/WOODLAND] >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> NO, K16. >> JUDGE I'D LIKE TO MATION A MOTION TO APPROVE AN ORDER ADOPTING THE TAX RATE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2027 AND LEVY THE TAXES. I WAS READING THE ITEM. I MOVE TO SET THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 PROPERTY TAX RATE TO BE SET BY THE ADOPTION OF A TAX RATE OF 0.4097 CENTS, 0.2692 CENTS, GENERAL MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION, 0.1029 CREPTS GENERAL DEBT AND 0.0376 CENTS RODE AND BRIDGE MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS. >> SECOND. >> CALL THE ROLE. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. [M. EXECUTIVE SESSIONS] >> NO. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> NO. AND NOW WE HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. OPEN THEM ALL. I'M ASKING THEM FIRST, I'M SORRY. OPEN THEM ALL. I WAS WAITING FOR THE HEAD NOD. NOW GO AHEAD, PLEASE OPEN THEM UP. >> EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR SUNT SECTION 551 ONTARIO 061 OF THE TAX SQUES GOVERNMENT CODE CONSULTATION WITH COUNCIL REGARDING CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION INVOLVING UNAUTHORIZED ROD RAE CORRECTION BY THIRD PARTY AND/OR SURROUNDING THE SUN FIELD OR SUN JEEK SUB DIVISION PRECINCT 2 POSSIBLE DISCUSSION IS AND/OR ACTION MAY FOLLOW IN OPEN COURT. M2, EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.071 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE CONSULTTION WITH COUNCIL REGARDING PENDING AND/OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO HAYS COUNTY POTENTIAL INTERVENTION RELATED TO HAYS COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT NUMBER 9 VERSES SAN MARCOS HAYS COUNTY EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES INC CAUSE NUMBER 26-2025-DCE PENDING IN THE 353RD JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT IN HAYS COUNTY POSSIBLE DISCUSSION AND/OR ACTION MAY FOLLOW IN OPEN COURT. M3, EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 551.061 AND 551.071 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE CONSULTATION WITH COUNCIL AND DELIBERATION REGARDING THE EXCHANGE, PURCHASE, LEASE, SALE, OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT OR NEAR THE 500FN150 EAST KYLE TEXAS 78640 IN PRECINCT 2, POSSIBLE DISCUSSION AND/OR ACTION MAY FOLLOW IN OPEN COURT. >> IF YOU ARE NOT DIRECTLY TIED TO JORDAN WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT TO START WITH FIRST. OKAY. IF YOU ARE NOT DIRECTLY TIED TO THE FIRST ONE, PLEASE CLEAR THE COURT ROOM. . >> EVENTUALLY, ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION. WHERE WE SAID BIG WORDS AND TALKED ABOUT IMPORTANT THINGS AND NOW KIND OF DRAGGING A LITTLE TIME HERE. OUR MOTION IS NOT 100% READY. SO I'LL BE SAYING A FEW MORE LITTLE WORDS. AND WE TALKED ABOUT VERY BIG PROJECTS AND DREAMS AND HOPES FOR THE COUNTY. >> BUT NO ACTION WAS TAKEN. >> I'M STRETCHING. I'M STRETCHING. WE HAVE A VERY PAINFUL BUDGET PROCESS THAT IS NOW BEHIND US. AND SO WHOEVER GOT PLUGGED LAST MINUTE FROM THE BUDGET KNOW THAT IT WASN'T INTENTIONAL, IT WASN'T ABOUT YOU, IT WAS THE LINE ITEM. I COULD SAY MORE BUT THAT'S ENOUGH. YOUR TURN. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR MAKING IT ONE LAST LIVELY BUDGET CONVERSATION AND I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST NEXT YEAR . [LAUGHTER]. >> OKAY. I HAVE THE MOTION NOW. >> THE AMOUNT OF TIMES WE ARE DID THAT MOTION WAS INSANE. >> ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> OKAY, THANK YOU, JUDGE. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO M3, MOTION AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE'S OFFICE AND THE [04:25:02] DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES AND RESOURCE MANAGEMENT TO OBTAIN AN INSPECTION OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT OR NEAR 500 FM150 EAST IN KYLE TEXAS NOT TO EXCEED PURCHASING POLICY OF OBTAINING THREE QUOTES. >> SECOND. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER HAMMER. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES. >> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES. COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> MOTION TO * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.