[F5. Presentation by Dr. George Naufal, Texas A&M Associate Research Scientist, regarding Counsel at First Appearance (CAFA) Study Results. SHELL/INGALSBE]

THANK YOU, SIR. PLEASE OPEN F5.

>> F5 PRESENTATION BY DOCTOR GEORGE TEXAS A&M ASSOCIATE RESEARCH SCIENTIST REGARDING COUNSEL AT FIRST APPEARANCE CAFA STUDY RESULTS.

>> GOOD MORNING JUDGE BECERRA, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. I HAVE SOME SLIDES I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU.

>> IF YOU LIKE TO START UPDATING US IN WARMING OF THE AUDIENCE.

>> YES ABSOLUTELY. WHAT WE WILL DO IN THE NEXT 10-15 MINUTES IS AT PRESENT FINDINGS FROM THE STUDY OF THE PRESENCE OF COUNSEL, DEFENSE COUNSEL ATTORNEYS AT FIRST APPEARANCE OR KNOWN AS MAGISTRATE SHOULD. WE WENT ON THE FIRST TIME OF THE HAYS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CHAIRMAN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY MAGISTRATE COURT JUDGE MORE AND EVERYBODY FOR ALL THE SUPPORT TO DO THIS STUDY. RESEARCHERS AT TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY WITH COLLABORATION WITH ACCESS TO JUSTICE AT HARVARD LAW SCHOOL WHO COMPOSED

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A RESEARCH TEAM. WE DID A CONTROLLED TRIAL WHERE WE RANDOMLY ATTORNEYS AND ADMINISTRATION FACULTY TO THE STUDY TO TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO MAGISTRATE IN OCCURRED ONCE A DAY AND ON SUNDAYS WE HAD DEFENSE COUNSEL ON OTHER DAYS WE DID NOT.

WE LOOKED AT DEFENSE OUTCOMES FOR DEFENDANTS WHICH INCLUDED BONDS AMOUNT AND DAYS TO RELEASE. IN INTEREST OF TIME THE MAIN QUESTION WAS HOST OF THE PRESENCE OF ATTORNEYS DEFENSE COUNSEL DETERMINED AFFECT DEFENSE OUTCOMES AND MAGISTRATE. FOR THE CITY MAGISTRATE SHOULD OCCURRED RIGHT AFTER ARREST AND THE DECISION ON RELEASE WAS DONE IN THE BOND AMOUNT. AND FOR THE STUDY WE HAD RANDOMIZED THE DAYS WHERE ATTORNEYS WOULD BE PRESENT. THOSE ATTORNEYS MET WITH DEFENDANTS PRIOR TO MAGISTRATION AND THEN ADVOCATED ON BEHALF OF OF DEFENDANTS ON BEHALF OF THE MAGISTRATE JUDGE AND ISSUES RELATED TO ABILITY TO PAY THE BOND, JOB EMPLOYMENT, HAVING INDEPENDENC , BEING THE RESIDENCE OF HAYS COUNTY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

ON OTHER DAYS THERE WERE NO ATTORNEYS PRESENT AND IT WAS BASICALLY ASYSTEM , AS USUAL.

ONE ALSO INTERESTING POINT IS THAT DURING THIS PROCESS THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY WAS ALSO PRESENT THE PROSECUTOR WAS ALSO PRESENT SO THE PROSECUTOR PRESENTED ARGUMENTS AND DEFENSE COUNSEL PRESENTED ARGUMENTS AND THE MAGISTRATE JUDGE MADE A DECISION.

THE PRIMARY OUTCOMES WE LOOKED AT WORK BOND AMOUNT, TYPE, BOND CONDITIONS, COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEY APPLICATIONS, 1622 ORDERS VIOLATIONS AND DAYS TO RELEASE.

SECONDARY OUTCOMES INCLUDED RECIDIVISM, POSITION, DISPOSITION WE ALSO DID THE COST ANALYSIS. QUICKLY, AS A QUICK SUMMARY WE DID RETAIN ATTORNEYS WHO ARE PRIVATE ATTORNEYS AS PART OF THE STUDY SO WE RECRUITED THEM, THEY WERE TRAINED BY THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYERS AND ALL OF THAT HAPPENED BEFORE THE LAUNCH OF THE STUDY. HAYS COUNTY WAS IT WAS POSSIBLE FOR SCHEDULING ATTORNEYS.

THE RESEARCH PROVIDED A RANDOMIZED SCHEDULE FOR WHEN THE ATTORNEYS WOULD BE PRESENT OR NOT.THIS IS A QUICK EXAMPLE OF HOW POTENTIALLY A MONTH WOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE WHERE THE COLORED DAYS WE HAD ATTORNEYS AND OTHER DAYS WERE NO ATTORNEYS.

ON AVERAGE, I THINK ATTORNEYS WERE PRESENT ABOUT 3.5 DAYS A WEEK.

SOME DAYS YOU HAD MORE ATTORNEYS AND SOME WEEKS YOU HAD WORKDAYS WITH ATTORNEYS AND OTHERS WITH LESS. WHEN WE DID THE SCHEDULE TO ACCOUNT THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY THAT CHANGES OVER TIME SO THAT SEASONALITY THAT CHANGES. SO IT WAS BASICALLY FOR A FULL YEAR AND SOME DAYS, SOME WEEKS YOU HAD WORKDAYS WITH ATTORNEYS THAN OTHERS.

ON THE DAYS WHERE THEY ATTORNEYS WERE PRESENT ARRAIGNMENT OFFICERS SHARED PACKETS WITH ATTORNEYS ALL OF THIS HAPPENED VIRTUALLY. ATTORNEYS STUDIED THOSE PACKETS AND INTERVIEWED DEFENDANTS ONCE THEY WERE READY THEY MET MAGISTRATION STARTED THE PROCEDURE MAKE THEIR ARGUMENTS AND PROCEEDED WITH THEIR ARGUMENTS AND JUDGE DECIDED ON OUTCOMES. THE STUDY WAS LAUNCHED ON JULY 6, 2020, RAN UNTIL JULY 11, 2021. ALTHOUGH MAGISTRATION HAPPENED VIRTUALLY ALL THE DEFENDANTS ATTENDED CONFERENCE OR MEETINGS HAPPENED VIRTUALLY AND THE PROSECUTOR WAS PRESENT.

DURING THAT STUDY WE ALSO ASKED ATTORNEYS TO COLLECT INFORMATION FROM THE DEFENDANTS WHEN THEY MET. WE WERE REALLY INTERESTED IN WHETHER DEFENDANTS WOULD REFUSE COUNSEL ON THOSE DAYS. WE HAD ABOUT 16 ON AVERAGE 16 DEFENDANTS WHO ADMINISTRATED DURING THE STUDY WHEN ATTORNEYS WERE PRESENT THAT WAS ABOUT EIGHT DEFENDANTS PER ATTORNEYS.

WE TYPICALLY HAD TO ATTORNEYS PRESENT SO WE WANTED TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON THE MAGISTRATION HEARINGS. THEY MET ABOUT ON AVERAGE 8.6 MINUTES FOR EACH ATTORNEY DEFENDANT MEETING. SOME OF THEM REFUSED COUNSEL SO THAT WAS ZERO MINUTES AND SOME FOR LONGER ESPECIALLY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE STUDY. ON AVERAGE, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE STUDY THE ATTORNEY MET WITH THE DEFENDANTS FOR 8.6 MINUTES.

ABOUT EIGHT PERCENT OF DEFENDANTS REFUSED COUNSEL.

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>> ONE SECOND, WHY WOULD THEY REFUSE COUNSEL? GENERAL IDEA?

>> FROM THE LITERATURE AND TALKING TO COUNTIES SPECIFICALLY HAYS COUNTY AND THEIR COUNTY WE EXPECTED A MUCH LOWER EVEN LESS THAN ONE PERCENT TO DEFENDANTS REFUSING COUNSEL. FROM TALKING TO ATTORNEYS WHO WERE PART OF THE STUDY WE DID NOT TALK TO THE DEFENDANTS BUT FROM TALKING TO THE ATTORNEYS THERE WAS A COUPLE OF INTERESTING POTENTIAL REASONS THEY WERE NOT 100 PERCENT SURE. SOMEBODY IS NOT THE FIRST ARREST, THEY DON'T TRUST THE SYSTEM, SO THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN ATTORNEYS MAKE A DIFFERENCE THEY REFUSE COUNSEL. ONCE A PERSON REFUSES COUNSEL THEY HAVE AN EFFECT IN TWO OR THREE OR FOUR DEFENDANTS FOLLOWING THAT INDIVIDUAL ALSO REFUSE COUNSEL.

THAT SOMETHING ELSE THE ATTORNEYS MENTIONED. THAT NUMBER IS HIGHER THAN WE HOPED FOR. ATTORNEYS TRAINED WERE NOT TRAINED TO BE MENTAL HEALTH EXPERTS BUT WE ASKED THEM IN YOUR EXPERIENCE DO YOU BELIEVE THERE SOME SORT OF MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES OR INTELLECTUAL DISABILITY? THE ATTORNEYS REPORTED ON THOSE ABOUT 18 PERCENT AND 5.6 PERCENT ON AVERAGE SUFFERED FROM EITHER MENTAL HEALTH OR MENTAL DISABILITY. WE GET TO THE MAIN FINDINGS OF THE STUDY.

WE FOUND THAT DEFENSE COUNSEL LOWERS THE AVERAGE BILL AMOUNT. FROM $15,000 TO ABOUT $12,000.

SO TO THOSE DEFENDANTS ACTUALLY SET WERE PRESENTED BY DEFENSE COUNSEL AND MAGISTRATION AND AVERAGE THEIR TOTAL BILL AMOUNT TO BE LOWERED BY $3000. THE NEXT OUTCOME OF INTEREST WAS WHETHER THERE WAS AN IMPACT IN THE TYPE OF BOND SPECIFICALLY THE FINANCIAL BOND VERSUS A PEER BOND. WE FOUND OUT IN ON THE TYPE OF BOND.

WE ASKED IF THEY'RE GETTING MORE THE DEFENDANTS ORDER ATTORNEYS WERE GETTING MORE OR LESS CONDITIONS.E FOUND DEFENDANTS WHO SAW ATTORNEYS ENDED UP GETTING MORE BOND CONDITIONS AND END UP GETTING MORE STRICTER BOND CONDITIONS WHICH INCLUDES BASICALLY CONDITIONS THAT AFFECT MOVEMENTS IN THE VERSES LESS RESTRICTIVE BOND CONDITIONS.

THE NEXT MAIN OUTCOME OF INTEREST WAS WHETHER THE DEFENDANTS WE SAW ATTORNEYS WERE MORE LIKELY TO REQUEST CORPORAL POINT ATTORNEY AND THEY WERE BY 20 PERCENT.

HOWEVER, WE SAW NO IMPACT ON THE MENTAL HEALTH EVALUATION ON--ORDERS.

WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT WHETHER THOSE INCREASE IN APPLICATIONS FOR COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEYS DID ACTUALLY LEAD TO HIRING OF COURT-APPOINTED ATTORNEYS. THEY MAY HAVE THOSE REQUESTS MAY HAVE BEEN DENIED THOSE ARE JUST INCREASE. IS SOMETHING WE HAVE THE DATA FOR AND WE ARE PLANNING ON DOING IN THE FUTURE. WE ALSO LOOKED AT WHETHER DEFENDANTS WHO SAW ATTORNEYS DURING MAGISTRATION WERE MORE LIKELY TO BE RELEASED BEFORE THE OTHERS AND WE DID NOT SEE THAT.O IMPACT ON THE LENGTH OF TIME THE DEFENDANTS SPENT IN CUSTODY. ALTHOUGH I WILL MENTION THE SLIGHT DIFFERENCE WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE COST THAT DIFFERENCE WAS NOT STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT AND THAT'S WHY WE DO NOT EXPECT THAT TO BE THE CASE MOVING FORWARD. HOWEVER, DURING THE STUDY THE COST ELEMENT AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND. IN TERMS OF IMPACT ON DISPOSITION WHETHER IT'S LENGTH TO DISPOSITION, A TYPE OF DISPOSITION, WE FOUND NO IMPACT OF HAVING ATTORNEYS IS AN ACT MAGISTRATION. WE FOUND NO IMPACT ON RECIDIVISM WHICH WAS MEASURED BY GETTING ARRESTED AGAIN AND A FAILURE TO APPEAR.SO THOSE ARE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT THINGS BE EXPECTED BECAUSE THESE ARE DOWNSTREAM OUTCOMES SO WE FURTHER AWAY FROM MAGISTRATION. IN TERMS OF COST STUDY THE STUDY WAS FUNDED BY A GRANT FROM THE TEXAS DEFENSE COMMISSION THAT HELPS SUPPORT ATTORNEYS.

BUT THERE WAS ALSO SOME OVERTIME COSTS FOR ARRAIGNMENT OFFICERS FOR THE MAGISTRATE COURT CLERK THAT WE MET ESTIMATED TO BE AROUND BASICALLY 127,000 WHICH IS THE GRANT ABOUT 143 OVER THE ACCOUNTS. THERE WAS A PROSECUTOR COST

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PRESENT WHICH WAS 78,000 WHICH IS BENEFITS AND FRINGE BENEFITS.

THE COUNTY ALSO BOUGHT TWO LAPTOPS AND A ONE-YEAR SUBSCRIPTION FOR ZOOM WHICH I THINK WAS ALREADY A PART OF THE PROCESS AND HAYS COUNTY BUT WE ADD THAT TO OUR COST.

THE STUDY COST BASICALLY 210,000 210,400 -- TO REPRESENT 50 PERCENT OF THE DEFENDANTS FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR. DURING THAT STUDY WE FOUND THAT THE AVERAGE TREATMENT PER DAY WHICH WAS THE AVERAGE DAYS IN JAIL PRETRIAL SO BEFORE DISPOSITION FOR THOSE WHO SAW AN ATTORNEY WAS THREE DAYS LESS THAN THOSE WHO DID NOT SEE AN ATTORNEY.

THAT DIFFERENCE IS NOT STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT BUT IT DID OCCUR DURING THE STUDY.

IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE IMPACT OF THE COST REFINED THERE WAS AN AVERAGE SAVINGS OF ABOUT $282 AND $0.74 ASSUMING THE COST OF PER DAY. JILL STAYS $104 WHICH IS A CONSERVATIVE NUMBER BUT THAT WAS THREE YEARS AGO. NOW THAT COST SAVINGS IF YOU ASSUME A 5000 DEFENDANTS BEING MAGISTRATE IN A YEAR AMOUNTS TO ALMOST $1 MILLION.

THE COST SAVINGS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE EXPECT MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT THREE DAYS WAS NOT SIGNIFICANTLY STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT.

BUT IT HAPPENED SO WE REPORTED IT. A QUICK SUMMARY OF THE FINDINGS HAVING DEFENSE COUNSEL AT MAGISTRATION LOWERS THE BOND AMOUNT DOES NOT IMPACT THE TYPE INCREASES BOND CONDITIONS AND THE SEVERITY OF THE STRICTNESS OF THE BOND CONDITIONS INCREASES THE APPLICATION FOR QUITE COURT-APPOINTED ATTORNEYS AND NO EFFECT ON MENTAL HEALTH ASSESSMENT OR EVALUATION, JJS, MAPPING TIME AND RECIDIVISM. THE SUPPORT THE STUDY WE TALKED TO EVERYONE INVOLVED ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS WHETHER COMMISSIONERS, MAGISTRATE JUDGES, ARRAIGNMENT OFFICERS, ATTORNEYS , PROSECUORS AND WE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND DURING THE STUDY WHAT SOME OF THE SUCCESSES AND CHALLENGES TO SUPPORT AND SUPPLEMENT THE QUALITY QUANTITATIVE ASPECT. WE FOUND THAT TECHNOLOGY WAS A CHALLENGE THE VIRTUAL COMPONENT SEEMS TO BE A CHALLENGE.WE ALSO FOUND THAT THE PROCESS OF MAGISTRATION TOOK LONGER IN THE PRESENCE OF THE PROSECUTOR AND THE DEFENSE COUNSEL.AND THERE WERE SOME TRANSLATION ISSUES AND CONCERNS THROUGHOUT THE STUDY.

IN TERMS OF SUCCESSES THE MAIN HIGHLIGHTS ARE THAT ATTORNEYS OF THE DEFENDANTS WERE GRATEFUL FOR HAVING AN ATTORNEY PRESENT AT MAGISTRATION ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ARRESTED FOR THE FIRST TIME. WHEN THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE PROCESS SO THEY WERE ABLE TO GET THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED BY ATTORNEYS IN TERMS OF WHAT HAPPENS NEXT, WHAT DO I EXPECT? ALSO MAGISTRATE JUDGES FELT VERY COMFORTABLE MAKING DECISIONS ON A BOND TYPE AND BOND AMOUNT BECAUSE THEY HAD ACCESS TO INFORMATION THEY DID NOT HAVE ACCESS TO PRIOR TO HAVING DEFENSE COUNSEL WHICH INCLUDES FINANCIAL ABILITY, DEPENDENCY, HEALTH ISSUES AND SO ON. THE LAST THING I WANT TO MENTION IS THERE WAS A LOT OF DATA STRUGGLES FROM BEING ABLE TO MOVE FROM MAGISTRATION AND FOLLOWCASES OVERTIME .

MOST OF THE DOCUMENTS AT MAGISTRATION ARE PDFS AND SOME OF THE INFORMATION GETS BASICALLY REPLACED IN THE SYSTEM SEEM TO BE ABLE TO GET THE BOND AMOUNT AND BOND TYPE IMMEDIATELY AT MAGISTRATION AND THAT'S A MATCHING MAGISTRATE DATE AND COURT DATE IT'S DIFFICULT THAT'S NOT REALLY ONLY AND HAYES WE SEE THAT IN DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> WHERE DO YOU SEE IN THE STATE THAT HAVING LEGAL REPRESENTATION HAS BEEN BENEFICIAL ? BESIDES FEEL GOOD.

>> DID THIS ALSO IN POTTER COUNTY AND IN POTTER COUNTY WE FOUND STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES IN JAIL DAYS BY SIX DAYS. SO THOSE HAVING AN ATTORNEY THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO BE RELEASED BY SIX DAYS. THAT WAS STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT WHICH BASICALLY GENERATED A SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS.

THERE WERE ALSO MORE LIKELY TO GET A PR BOND. THEY HAD A LOWER BOND AMOUNT AND THEY HAD NO IMPACT ON BOND CONDITIONS.

>> WHAT IS THE POPULATION OF THAT COUNTY?

>> ABOUT HALF THIS COUNTY.

>> OKAY, INTERESTING. COMMISSIONER INGALSBE.

>> MR. NAUFAL, SORRY MY VOICE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INFORMATION AND FOR BEING HERE

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TODAY TO SHARE IT WITH US. YEAH, I GUESS I WAS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED THERE WEREN'T ANY ADDITIONAL BENEFITS THAT CAME OUT OF THIS BECAUSE COMMISSIONER SHELL AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND FELT LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT AND HAYS COUNTY. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING STILL TO TALK ABOUT AS A COURT.

TO SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO BUT I MEAN THE LOWERING OF A BOND AMOUNT WITH COUNSEL IS CERTAINLY A BENEFIT AND THE THREE DAYS LEFT IN JAIL THAT CERTAINLY CAN ADD UP TO SIGNIFICANTLY SAVINGS. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THIS IN COURT AND RECEIVE WHAT OUR DIRECTION IS. BUT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> COMMISSIONER COHEN.

>> NO QUESTIONS JUST GIVE FOR PRESENTING.

> COMMISSIONER SHELL.

>> THINGS I WANT TO THANK GEORGE AND HIS TEAM THIS WAS A CHALLENGING PROJECT TO START WITH AND MADE MORE DIFFICULT WITH THE PANDEMIC. THEY WORKED VERY DILIGENTLY AND SO DID THE STAFF OF THAT COUNTY. I WAS VERY PROUD OF OUR STAFF WORKING THROUGH A CHALLENGING TIME WITH THEIR OWN CHALLENGES WE WERE GOING THROUGH BUT I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY THAT PARTICIPATED FROM OUR DEEP DISTRICT ATTORNEYS OFFICE TO THE JAIL, IT, JUSTIN GILL SPENT A LOT OF TIME. AND BESIDES THE STATISTICS AND THE DATA WHICH IS VERY INTERESTING TO ME AND ALONG WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER INGALSBE SAID I THINK THERE'S STILL A LOT OF LOOKING AT THE DATA TO TRY TO LEARN OTHER THINGS, AS WELL, WHICH I THINK WILL BE VERY VALUABLE AND OBVIOUSLY OUR MAGISTRATES AND JUDGES THIS IS SOMETHING FOR THEM TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND SPEND SOME TIME WITH.

BUT, IN GENERAL, THAT KIND OF LAST OR SECOND TO LAST SLIDE THAT GEORGE PRESENTED THE CHALLENGES, THE PAPERWORK, THE PROCESS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHICH IS NOT UNCOMMON IN JUST THE WAY EVERYONE DOES IT I THINK ADDED SOMETHING WE ARE IMPROVING TRYING TO IMPROVE RIGHT NOW THE PRETRIAL SERVICES SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT COURT RECENTLY MADE ON SOME SOFTWARE TO HOPEFULLY STREAMLINE THAT PROCESS AND MAKE THEM MORE EFFICIENT.

WHICH WILL THEN ALLOW US TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW OUR PROCESS IS WORKING AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT COULD BE MADE. BESIDES THE SPECIFICS OF THE STUDY WHICH I THOUGHT THAT WAS SOMETHING I WAS GLAD TO SEE WE WERE ADDRESSING BECAUSE IT DID PRESENT CHALLENGES TO THE STUDY AND ALSO PRESENTED CHALLENGES TO OPERATIONS OF THE COUNTY AND GETTING THINGS DONE QUICKLY. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME HERE I KNOW IT WAS CHALLENGING FOR YOU ALL.THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. I THINK REALLY WE HAVE LOOKED FORWARD TO HAVING FOLKS COME IN AND TAKE A LOOK AT HOW HAYS COUNTY THOSE THINGS AND TRY TO LEARN FROM THEM AND I THINK WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

>> THANK YOU.COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> THANK YOU, JUDGE. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME OF THE NUMBERS I DO FIND THAT PRETTY INTERESTING. ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTED WHEN WE WERE TALKING WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH YOUR PRESENTATION SPECIFICALLY WITH THE NO IMPACT STATEMENTS.

THE SLIDE YOU HAVE THAT LISTS ALL THOSE THINGS THAT ALL OF US HAVE TALKED ABOUT EVERY ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS AND WHAT IMPACT THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS WOULD HAVE ON THEM.

DO FIND IT VERY INTERESTING THAT $282 AND A FEW CENTS PER DAY OR A FEW CENTS IN SAVINGS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL DETAINEE IF YOU TAKE WHAT OUR OUTSOURCING COSTS ARE FOR THE PRISONERS THAT WE ARE OUTSOURCING AND ASSUME I THINK WE ARE AT $95 A DAY.

YOU TAKE THAT AND SAY THEY ARE STAYING IN JAIL THREE DAYS LESS ANALYTICALLY THAT'S $94 PER DAY. IT'S WITHIN A DOLLAR OF WHAT OUTSOURCING COSTS SO I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD NUMBER. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAYBE NOT IRONIC BUT IT VALIDATES SOME OF THE COSTS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

>> AND I KNOW WE HAVE SOME ATTORNEYS HERE THROUGHOUT THE LANDSCAPE AND I WANT TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO FEED THE KITTY WITH INFORMATION ANY ATTORNEY HERE OR DOCTOR YOU MAY ALSO HAVE A QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW, IF YES, IF NO THAT'S OKAY.

>> WHAT YOU THINK ACCOUNT FOR THE BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE RESULTS BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTIES?

>> THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT PROCESSES. HAYS COUNTY HAD A DIFFERENT PROCESS WHICH INCLUDED THE PROSECUTOR.IN OUR COUNTY THE PROSECUTOR SHARED THE

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RECOGNITION VIA EMAIL THEY WERE NOT PRESENT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S THE MAIN REASON BUT IN OUR COUNTY REGISTRATION DID NOT TAKE LONGER JUST A DIFFERENT PROCESSES AND THAT'S WHY WERE DOING IT IN MULTIPLE COUNTIES WERE GOING TO LAUNCH AN OASIS COUNTY IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. SO WE BUILT EVIDENCE TO FINALLY KNOW WHETHER THAT WORKS FOR DIFFERENT PROCESSES BECAUSE EACH COUNTY HAS A DIFFERENT PROCESS.

CURRENTLY, I THINK FOUR OR FIVE COUNTIES HAVE A COUNSEL AT FIRST APPEARANCE WHICH INCLUDES HARRIS,BEAR COUNTY, FORT BEND , I BELIEVE GALVESTON COUNTY AND OUR COUNTY JUST JOINED THEM.

THEY HAVE A PUBLIC DEFENDER OFFICE JUST LIKE HAYS COUNTY AND THEY SET UP COUNSEL AT FIRST APPEARANCE. WHEN WE VISITED A FEW WEEKS IN JUNE THEY MENTIONED THE AVERAGE ABOUT FIVE PROBABLE CAUSE A WEEK SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT THOSE ARRESTS SO THAT PART OF THE THING THAT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. I BELIEVE IS JUST DIFFERENT PROCESS.

>> THANK YOU. MR. GENERAL AND THEN I WAS GOING TO HAVE OUR COUNTY RESPOND POTENTIALLY TO YOUR COMMENTS. HIS REASON FOR ASKING YOU TO BE FIRST.

>> JUDGE, THE ONLY THING AND I'M NOT REAL SURE HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED.

>> FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC TELL THEM YOUR NAME.

>> I AM A LOCAL ATTORNEY AND I HAVE JUST BE SITTING HERE TODAY AND HEARD THE PRESENTATION BEING MADE.ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE WHILE THE STUDY WAS ONGOING AS A PRACTICING ATTORNEY HERE IN TOWN WAS THIS AND THIS IS WHAT I WAS WANT TO START WITH IS I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS IS PLANNING ON BEING IMPLEMENTED TAKING A STUDY AND THEN THERE'S AN IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS LATER ON, PERCEPTIVELY. IT WAS GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED AND HAYS COUNTY I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN DURING THE STUDY PORTION IT'S A LITTLE TROUBLING TO PRACTICING ATTORNEYS BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF A CASE A HYPOTHETICAL CASE.

SOMEBODY GETS ARRESTED, THEY GO TO MAGISTRATION, THEY GET BOOKED, THEY GET READY FOR MAGISTRATION, JUDGE OF YEARS AND THEN THERE'S A ATTORNEY WHO SHOWS UP TO REPRESENT THEM AT MAGISTRATION. THIS ATTORNEY HAS TO MAKE SOME STRATEGIC DECISIONS AS TO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DISCLOSE AT MAGISTRATION THAT THEN AFFECTED THE REST OF THE CASE.

AND SO, FROM THE PRACTICING ATTORNEY PERSPECTIVE IF WE GOT HIRED IF MOM AND DAD OR A HUSBAND AND WIFE CALLED AND SAID, HEY, WE ARE HIRING YOU TO REPRESENT THIS PERSON DRINK THE STUDY TO YOUR QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED EARLIER WE WOULD AUTOMATICALLY GO SEE OUR CLIENT AT THE JAIL AND SAY REJECT THAT ATTORNEY BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THOUGHT TO AFFECT THE WAY WE ARE GOING TO WORK ON YOUR CASE BROUGHT THE PENDENCY OF THE CASE TO TRIAL.

AND I THINK THE NEXT PART OF IT WOULD HAPPEN IS WHAT HE WAS SAYING THAT PROBABLY HAD A CURE AFFECTED WHEN OTHERS WERE HEARING THAT AND SAY WE DON'T WANT THAT TO AFFECT OUR CASE EITHER SO YOU'RE GETTING GROUPS DURING THE REJECTION. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE ALSO SEEMS TO PRESENT AN ETHICAL PROBLEM FOR ME THIS IS WHERE I HOPE MR. WILL BACK ME UP ON THIS IF YOU HAVE A CAPITAL ATTORNEY SETTING PRESENTATION OF A PARTICULAR PERSON TO ARGUE ON THEIR BEHALF OR THEIR BOND THEY HAVE ACCEPTED THE CASE. AND SO, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING WHAT'S BEST FOR THEM NOT JUST FOR GETTING BOUNCED BUT FOR THE END RESULT OF THE CASE, AS WELL.

SO IT REALLY PRESENTS A LOT OF DYNAMICS THAT DOLLARS AND CENTS DON'T NECESSARILY ARE NECESSARILY THE END RESULT AND AT THE END GOAL OF WHAT SHOULD BE GOING ON IN THE JUDICIAL PROCESS BECAUSE WHILE WE ARE BABYSITTING AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS I THOUGHT ABOUT WE MIGHT BE SAVING A GUY THREE DAYS IN JAIL WE MIGHT BE GIVING HIM THREE YEARS IN PRISON BECAUSE IT WAS A BAD DECISION THAT WAS MADE BY A ATTORNEY AFFECTS THE WAY WERE GOING TO PRESENT THE CASE LATER ON IN COURT. THE THING I WAS THINKING AS I WAS HERE THIS PRESENTATION IS A LOT MORE DYNAMICS THAT ARE INVOLVED OTHER THAN JUST AND THE RESULTS WERE BENEFITS THE DEFENSE TO CRIMINAL FOLKS WORD TO MINIMUS D MINIMUS.

IT WAS OUR COMPLEX THAN SAVING THREE DAYS IN JAIL AND A LITTLE BIT ON BOND.

I ALSO NOTICED BECAUSE THERE IS AN ATTORNEY TO GOING TO GIVE THEM ALL THE CONDITIONS THEY CAN GIVE THEM YOUR WORK SITTING RIGHT THERE AND IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT.

I THINK IT'S A LOT MORE COMPLEX THAN JUST WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE COURT.

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>> JUDGE, WE NEED TO CLARIFY A FEW THINGS. THIS WASN'T A STUDY THAT THE COUNTY WENT OUT AND LOOKED FOR IN ORDER TO TRY TO IMPLEMENT A PROGRAM.

IT WAS THE RESEARCH TEAM GOING TO COUNTIES AND SAYING, AND WE STUDY HOW YOU DO THINGS AND TRY TO LEARN THINGS FROM THAT ESCAPE AS FAR AS IMPLEMENTATION GOES THERE'S NO PLAN FOR IMPLEMENTATION THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE INFORMATION WE DISCUSSED AND MR. PASTRANA BROUGHT A LOT OF POINTS ON THAT TIME AS WELL WHEN THEY CAME IN THOSE VERY ISSUES WERE DISCUSSED AND THEY ARE KNOWN. SO I THINK I THINK THE STUDY WAS FROM AN OUTSIDE ENTITY IT'S NOT LIKE THE COUNTY SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO DO COUNSEL AT FIRST APPEARANCE BRING SOMEONE SO WE CAN LEARN HOW TO IMPLEMENT AND WE HADTHIS INFORMATION , THEY CAME TO US.

FURTHER DISCUSSION ASSIGNED RELATED TO THE COUNSELOR FIRST. BUT I THINK MR. POSTRANO BROUGHT A LOT OF ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UPDURING PRIOR TO THE STUDY .

>> FREDERICK COX, CRIMINAL FIRST ASSISTANT FROM THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

DID NOT COME HERE PLANNING ON TALKING ABOUT THIS BUT I WANTED TO ADD A LITTLE CONTEXT AND INFORMATION THAT MAY PROVE TO BE USEFUL. THE FIRST OF ALL, IS LOT OF THE COUNTY FORPARTICIPATING IN THIS ANYTHING YOU CAN GATHER DATA THAT IS VALUABLE AND I DO SEE A LOT OF VALUE TO REVISITATION AND MAGISTRATION . FROM CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE HAD WITH A LOCAL DEFENSE BAR IS A STRONG INTEREST AMONG THE LOCAL DEFENSE BAR AND GETTING ACCESS TO AT MAGISTRATION AND BE ABLE TO BE THERE AND REPRESENT THEIR CLIENTS AT MAGISTRATION AND FINDING DIFFICULTIES WITH THAT PROCESS UNDER THE CURRENT SYSTEM.

WE WANT TO FACILITATE AND ALLOW HELP WITH THAT. I THINK THERE WAS RESISTANCE FROM THE PREVIOUS DISTRICT ATTORNEY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT DEFENSE ATTORNEYS BEING IN THERE WITHOUT A PROSECUTOR BEING PRESENT.

THIS OFFICE VIEWS THAT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. WHICH KINDA GOES TO SOME OF THE FINDINGS. I THINK THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE A PROSECUTOR PRESENT DURING THE STUDY IS WHY YOU SAW WORK ON CONDITIONS AND STRICTER BOND CONDITIONS THE IMPACT ON THESE THINGS BECAUSE THE PROCEDURE WAS IN THEIR AND THEY FELT THE NEED TO SAY SOMETHING AND THEY USUALLY WOULD ASK FOR MORE CONDITIONS. A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED WITH THE LANDSCAPE AND HAYS COUNTY SINCE THIS STUDY. WE NOW HAVE PRETRIAL SERVICES OFFICE, WE NOW HAVE A PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE IS UP AND RUNNING I WISH THIS AND CAN HAVE IT UP AFTER THOSE THINGS WERE IN PLACE AND WE HAVE A NEW ADMINISTRATION AT THE DAS OFFICE. I THINK WILL BE DIFFERENT FINDINGS IF THE STUDY HAD BEEN PDONE NOW VERSUS WHEN IT WAS DEAD. BUT I DO APPLAUD EVERYONE THAT WORKED ON DURING THE STUDY. BUT WE DO SUPPORT SOME ACCESS FOR THE DEFENSE BAR TO GO IN THERE AT MAGISTRATION AND EVEN IF THAT'S DONE WITH OSCARS IS AVAILABLE BY PHONE IN CASE WE ARE NEEDED I THINK WE COULD WORK SOMETHING OUT ALONG THOSE LINES.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. I THINK FOR THE FUTURE OF THE A&M THAT IS NOW ON TALKING TO THE PRESENTER. MAYBE IF IT LENDS ITSELF WITH SUCCESS DEFENSE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER A FEW YEARS FROM NOW EVEN AS EARLY AS TWO YEARS, NOW TO DO ANOTHER STUDY AND DO A COMPARE AND CONTRAST.

>> WE WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO DO SO.

>> A QUICK COMMENT, A FULL REPORT IS DONE WHICH IS PUTTING THE FINAL TOUCHES AND WE WILL SHARE WITH YOU THE COMMISSIONERS COURT AND THAT WILL HAVE ALL THE NUMBERS AND WE CAN ANSWER WORK WHICH IS MOVING FORWARD.

>> FINAL QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS.

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK AND HOPEFULLY I CAN SAY THIS CORRECTLY.

WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD IF A PERSON WANTS THEIR ATTORNEY THAT THEY WANT TO PAY FOR AT MAGISTRATION BECAUSE OF TIME? WAS THE LIKELIHOOD THAT CAN HAPPEN? IT'S HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND THE SEQUENCE WHEN THEY GET ARRESTED AND THEN MAGISTRATION HAPPENS. DO THEY HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO CALL THEIR ATTORNEYS TO BE THERE DURING MAGISTRATION IF THAT WAS AN OPTION?

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND I THINK MR. COX IS GOOD FIND TO TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES IN MAGISTRATION. THERE IS ENOUGH TIME ASSUMING THE ATTORNEY HAS TIME ON THEIR CALENDAR BUT GENERALLY AT PRESENT THE WE WERE PRESENTLY HANDLING IT IS WILL GENERALLY COMMUNICATE IN A GROUP EMAIL WITH THE MAGISTRATE AND THE PROSECUTOR ON THE CASE.

MR. COX HAS RECEIVED SEVERAL OF MY EMAILS ON THIS VERY TOPIC WHERE WE WILL ASK FOR CERTAIN CONSIDERATIONS AT MAGISTRATION. IF THERE WAS A ZOOM APPEARANCE WE CAN DO THAT EASILY AND THEN OF COURSE I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERY ATTORNEY IN THE BAR BUT I KNOW I HAVE MADE MYSELF

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AVAILABLE TO GO DOWN TO THE JAIL TO TRY TO MEET WITH THE MAGISTRATE BACK WHEN THEY WOULD DO IN PERSON MAGISTRATION BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE TIMELY.

>> THANK YOU.

>> JUDGE, I LIKE YOUR POINT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT INTRIGUED ME I THINK THIS BROUGHT UP A LOT MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME AND PROBABLY DID ANSWER AND A LOT OF TIME WHAT SCIENCE IS. I THINK WE HAVE A LOT TO LEARN A LOT TO FOLLOW UP ON.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME IN THIS PRESENTATION AND THE MORE WE CAN SEE OURSELVES THE MORE WE UNDERSTAND OURSELVES THE MORE WE CAN HELP SHAPE OUR FUTURE AS A COUNTY. SO, THANK YOU FOR THE WORK BECAUSE THIS PROVIDED ONE OF THOSE RAISE IN THE KALEIDOSCOPE IN A SPECIFIC POINT IN TIME. SO WHAT I WILL DO NEXT BECAUSE

[K3. Discussion and possible action authorizing the County Judge to execute the Hays County Social Services Funding Agreement between Hays County and Forever 15 Project regarding recovery assistance for direct or indirect impacts of COVID-19 and amend the budget accordingly. COHEN/INGALSBE]

WE ARE WATCHING THE CLOCK FOR AN 11 O'CLOCK WORKSHOP COMMISSIONERS, K-3.

PLEASE OPEN K-3.

>> K-3 DISCUSSION OF A POSSIBLE ACTION AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY JUDGE TO EXECUTE THE HAYS COUNTY SOCIAL SERVICES FUNDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE HAYS COUNTY AND FOREVER 15 PROJECT REGARDING RECOVERY ASSISTANCE FOR DIRECT OR INDIRECT IMPACTS OF COVID 19 AND AMENDED THE BUDGET ACCORDINGLY.

>> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER COHEN, WHAT SAY YOU.

>> ANSWERED, I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP JANELLE RODRIGUEZ AND THIS ORGANIZATION LOST HER SON A YEAR AGO, YESTERDAY. FROM A FENNEL OVERDOSE. I WAS HONORED TO ATTEND THAT EVENT FOR HIM. AND REVIEWED THAT SO JANELLE HAS TAKEN HER GRIEF OF LOSING HER SON TO FENTANYL STATEWIDE OR EVEN NATIONWIDE TO BRING AWARENESS OF THE ISSUE OF FENTANYL AND OUR KIDS. JUST GOING TO SUCH A TRAGEDY IN TAKING THE ENERGY AND DOING SOMETHING REALLY POSITIVE FOR HER SON AND FOR THE KIDS. AND SO, HER EFFORTS TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS I WANT TO SUPPORT AN ITEM HIS DAD IS HERE, AS WELL. RANDY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING, NO, YEAH SO, THIS IS A REALLY GREAT ORGANIZATION AND WE DEFINITELY WANT TO KEEP SUPPORTING THEM AND THEIR EFFORTS.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> I JUST WANT TO THANK THE FAMILY. I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF INTERACTIONS AND JUST THE SHEER AMOUNT OF TIME THEY HAVE DEDICATED NOT ONLY TO OUR COMMUNITY BUT A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE FACED THIS FENTANYL ISSUE.

I CAN NEVER IMAGINE LOSING ONE OF MY CHILDREN. SCARES ME EVERY DAY EVEN TO THINK ABOUT IT. AND WATCHING THE RESPONSE THAT THIS FAMILY HAS HAD IN A WORKING, I THINK THAT SOME OF THE RELATIONSHIPS THEY FORMED WITH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WITH INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO DECIDED TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS I AM VERY PROUD OF THE MONEY WE SPENT AS A COURT TO TRY TO SUPPLEMENT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO DO THAT FENTANYL OUTREACH PROGRAM. AND I THINK THIS IS JUST AN EXTENSION OF THAT GOOD WORK I THINK IT'S VERY AMAZING HAVE BEEN ASKED LITERALLY TO FLY ALL OVER THE COUNTRY TO TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND REALLY BE ADVOCATES NOT JUST WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY BUT THROUGHOUT THE NATION AND GET STARTED HERE WITH A TRAGED .

I IT'S AMAZING TO SEE IT TURN INTO SOMETHING SO POSITIVE FOR SO MANYPEOPLE.

>> COMMISSIONER SHELL . >> JUDGE, I JUST RECOGNIZE THE AMAZING STRENGTH OF INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY TO GO THROUGH THIS LIKE COMMISSIONER SMITH SAID WE CAN EVEN IMAGINE IT THERE'S NO WAY TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND.

ALL WE CAN DO IS OFFER OUR SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING FOR THEM AS THEY GO THROUGH LIFE.

>> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE.

>> JUDGE, THANK YOU. I DO JUST WANT TO REITERATE THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY MY COLLEAGUES. I THINK IT'S JUST AMAZING TO SEE HOW THE FAMILY HAS COME

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TOGETHER AND HAS BROUGHT THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER TO BRING AWARENESS OF THE DANGERS OF FENTANYL. WHAT A TRAGEDY. I SAW JANELLE AT THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES CONFERENCE IN AUSTIN AND SHE WAS INVITED TO BE THERE AND SHE TOOK THE TIME AND WAS THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY I CAN'T RECALL IN HER DEDICATION AND HARD WORK. MR. RODRIGUEZ ALSO, THANK YOU SO MUCH, I KNOW IT HAS TO BE TRULY DIFFICULT. AND WE ALL FEEL THE SAME WAY WE CAN'T IMAGINE THE PAIN THAT YOU MUST FEEL LOSING A CHILD. SO, THANK YOU.

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY COOL AND OUR SENATOR DONATED THE MONEY FOR THAT SPACE THAT WAS A GOOD SHOW OF SUPPORT AND I FULLY BELIEVE THAT WE AS A COURT SUPPORT IS 100 PERCENT AND WE'VE DONE AND BY GIVING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THEIR AWARENESS CAMPAIGN AND ALL THE OTHER AREAS AND OF COURSE WE SUPPORT OUR HEARTS ARE WITH THE FAMILY, ABSOLUTELY. MY CONCERN IS AS COMMISSIONER SMITH SAID PROOF LOSS OF REVENUE SO I BELIEVE WE CAN GIVE THEM MONEY. I BELIEVE WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THE ARPA MARKET IS THE RIGHT POCKET.

WE CAN GIVE THEM MONEY ALL DAY LONG AND LITERALLY THIS BUDGET PROCESS WERE ALSO DISCUSSING FUNDING ORGANIZATIONS WE DID OTHER PRESENTATIONS EARLIER THIS MORNING I WOULD TO HAVE OUR UNIFIED SUPPORT TO COME FROM THE WRONG SPACE BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED THAT BLACK EYE AS A COUNTY. WE CAN SUPPORT IT JUST HAS TO BE FROM THE RIGHT POCKET

>> ERIC WAS HERE IT WAS VETTED IF ANYONE WANTS TO COME UP AND IT AGAIN.

>> ERIC, AND THIS IS NOT IN ANY INTENDED TO BE A SHEDDING OR PUTTING THIS IN A NEGATIVE LIGHT ON THE AGENDA ITEMS NOT LACKING IN SUPPORT IN ANY WAY IS JUST ADMINISTRATIVE CLARIFICATION.

>> ABSOLUTELY, ERIC MOANING, PROJECT MANAGER. I'M HERE TO OFFER CLARIFICATION SPECIFICS UP TO THE ELIGIBLE USE CATEGORY SO IN THIS PARTICULAR ONE WHERE IT'S A PREVENTION OF THE IMPACTS OF MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE AS RELATED TO COVID 19 WHICH IS ALL ABOUT ELIGIBLE GROUPS. ONE REASON WHY THE SILVER RECIPIENT AGREEMENT BECAUSE IT'S A SERVICE RATHER THAN BEING A BENEFICIARY WHICH HAD SOME SORT OF LOSS OR INCREASED COST THAT WE ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT RIGHT THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY PERFORMING THE SERVICE ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE ARPA REGULATIONS AND I NOTE THAT THE MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE LINE ITEM IS A DISTINCT CALL OUT WITHIN THE ARPA REGULATIONS.

>> ON BEHALF OF THAT COUNTY. GOOD.

>> WHAT IS THE OVERALL AMOUNT OF THE GRANT? IS IT BEING SPLIT BETWEEN YOU ALSO TWO ALLOCATIONS? WHAT IS THE OVERALL AMOUNT?

>> I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME.

>> IT'S 20. $20,000.

>> COMMISSIONER COHEN OFFERED 10,000 AND I WANTED TO MATCH THAT'SWHY OFFER ANOTHER 10 .

>> WILL THIS COME BACK FOR ANOTHER VOTE?

>> NO, THIS IS THE VOTE. PWE HAD A PRESENTATION SO THIS IS THE VOTE THE ACTUAL ALLOCATION OF THE 20,000.

>> DO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE THAT BY 10,000 OF MY ALLOCATION? IF Y'ALL DON'T MIND I WOULD LIKE TO MATCH YOUR CONTRIBUTION AND INCREASE IT TO 30,000 INSTEAD OF 20,000. THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THE PRECINCT FOR ALLOCATION.

>> I WILL DO THE SAME.

>> TOTAL ALLOCATION FOR THE GRANT WILL BE 40,000 SPLIT EVENLY AMONG ALL COMMISSIONERS.

ELL DONE. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING BECAUSE LAST THING I WANT TO HEAR IS THAT WE PULLED FROM THE WRONG SPOT. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS?

>> WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

>> DOCTOR PLEASE CALL ROLE. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE

>> YES COMMISSIONER SHELL >> YES

[G. CONSENT ITEMS]

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH >> YES COMMISSIONER COHEN

>> YES >> JUDGE BECERRA

>> YES. I THINK WE CAN MAKE A RUN FOR ALL CONSENT ITEMS.

>> OKAY. JUNE 1 APPROVE PAYMENTS OF COUNTY INVOICES JUNE 2 023

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PEOPLE WERE APPROVED QUITE MINUTES OF AUGUST 15, 2023. G5 APPROVED THE PAYMENT OF THE AUGUST 31, 2023 PAYROLL DISBURSEMENTS IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 5,150,000 DOLLARS EFFECTIVE AUGUST 31, 2023 AND OPPOSED TOTALS FOR WAGES, WITHHOLDINGS, DEDUCTIONS AND BENEFITS ON THE HAYS COUNTY WEBSITE WAS FINALIZED. G6 ADOPT A RESOLUTION REFLECTING THE CREATION OF JUSTICE COURT RECENT TO PLACE TO IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION OF THE HAYS COUNTY COURT ON AUGUST 15, 2023. G7 AUTHORIZED THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT TO PURCHASE A REPLACEMENT FUEL TRANSFER TANK VALUED AT $792.07 AND AMENDED ACCORDINGLY.SHE ATE EXCEPT DONATIONS TOTALING $4425 ON BEHALF OF THE HAYS COUNTY CHILD PROTECTIVE BOARD AND AMEND THE BUDGET ACCORDINGLY.

G9 AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO TO THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE HEALTH SERVICES HEALTH DISPARITIES GRANT CONTRACT. GINA 10 APPROVE OUT-OF-STATE TRAVEL FOR EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER MEGAN JONES TO ATTEND THE TYLER ADVISORY BOARD MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 19-20, 2023 IN TROY, MICHIGAN.

SHE 11 AUTHORIZE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO PICTURES LAW ENFORCEMENT EQUIPMENT VALUED AT $1198. G 12 AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF THE FY 20 COMMISSIONER SHELL CAPITAL AREA COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS FOR 911GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEM DATABASE MANAGEMENT WITH A CAPITAL AREA EMERGENCY COMMITTEE HITTING DISTRICT FOR EMERGENCY MEDICATIONS GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEMS OR GIS SERVICES TO BE PROVIDED BY HAYS COUNTY WITH NO COUNTY MATCHING FUNDS REQUIRED.

G 13 AUTHORIZES THE COMMISSIONER PRESENT ONE OFFICE DISPORT RODRIGUEZ ELEMENTARY IN THE SAN MARCUS CONSOLIDATED THE DEFENDANT SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH ACTIVITIES FOR SAN MARCUS CIS D STUDENTS FAMILIES AND STAFF. G 14 AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE TO USE $1500 OF HIS COMMUNITY PROGRAM EXPENSE AND TO SUPPORT THE SAME KIWANIS CLUB CENTRO CULTURAL HISPANIC DAY SAN MARCO'S PRIDE 5000 UP I'M SORRY $500.

>> TAKING MY JOB?

>> G 15, I WILL WAIT THOUGH. AUTHORIZE THE SUBMISSION OF A GRANT APPLICATION TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE BUREAU OF JUSTICE ASSISTANCE FY 23 EDWARD BYRNE MEMORIAL JUSTICE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM LOCAL SOLICITATION IN THE AMOUNT OF $37,601.

G 16 AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE TO EXECUTE A RENEWAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE HAYS COUNTY BUILDING MAINTENANCE AND THE STANLEY ALLEGIANT ACCESS TECHNOLOGIES LLC TO PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS OF THE FOURTH STANLEY AUTOMATIC DOORS AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING AUTHORIZE A WAIVER TO THE PURCHASING POLICY.

G 17 AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN HAYS COUNTY COUNTY BUILDING MAINTENANCE AND STANLEY ALLEGIANT ACCESS TECHNOLOGIES LLC FOR PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS OF THE NINE STANLEY AUTOMATIC DOORS IN THE GOVERNMENT CENTER AUTHORIZE A WAIVER TO THE PURCHASING POLICY. G 18 AMENDED VARIOUS DEPARTMENTAL OPERATING SPECIAL REVENUE AND CAPITAL PROJECT BUDGETS AND PROBATION FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023 ORDERLY FINANCIAL REPORTING. G 19 AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT BETWEEN HAYS COUNTY AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEFENDER SERVICES INCORPORATED EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1, 2023. HE 20 APPROVE UTILITY PERMITS.

21. CONTACT CONTRACT CHANGE ORDERS ONE DECREASE $670.64, 2 INCREASE $7790 AND THREE INCREASE $8665.34 FOR CONSTRUCTION INCORPORATED PURSUANT I HAVE BE 20 COMMISSIONER COHEN-B 13 CONTRACTOR FOR IT ELECTIONS BUILDING RENOVATION INCREASING THE OVERALL CONTRACT BY ONE PERCENT AND AMENDED.

B. >> MR. LAWRENCE.

G 14.

>> THANK YOU, JUDGE BECERRA.

>> KIWANIS CLUB CENTRO CULTURAL HISPANIC AND IS MTX PRIDE. WERE GOING TO GET 500 A PIECE

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AND I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR FIRST OF ALL THAT I AM NEITHER RACIST NOR SEXIST I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THE KIWANIS I BROUGHT PEOPLE FROM NEW ZEALAND LET ME GO ON FURTHER HERE.

I'VE GOT THE TWO LETTERS ONE FROM KIWANIS CLUB AND ONE FROM CENTRO CULTURAL I WILL BE THE FIRST IT SAYS DEAR JUDGE BECERRA, CENTRAL CULTURAL THE SAN MARCUS 624 ARE EXCITED TO JOIN EFFORTS TO HOLD THE INAUGURAL HISPANIC HERITAGE EXHIBITION WALK IN SAN MARCUS TEXAS. EXHIBITION WALK WILLSERVE AS A KICKOFF EVENT FOR HISPANIC HERITAGE . IT WILL BE HELD ON A SATURDAY, SO TIMBER 16TH BEGINNING AT CENTER CULTURAL HISPANIC IN SAN MARCOS AND ENDING AT THE SOUTH LAWN OF THE HAYS COUNTY HISTORIC COURTHOUSE WITH THE MUSIC, FOOD, VENDORS AND MORE. PURPOSES OF THIS EVENT IS TO BRING AWARENESS TO THE VIBRANT LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES I'M THINKING THAT SHOULD BE OF THE SUBSTITUTE. AND TO SUPPORT THE DIVERSITY OF THE HISPANIC HERITAGE IN OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY. THE WALK WILL HONOR AND DISPLAY FLAGS OF THE LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES. WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT YOU WILL JOIN US IN CELEBRATION OF THE COMMUNITY AND SHOW YOUR SUPPORT BY MAKING FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION TO ASSIST WITH COST OF ORGANIZING THE HISPANIC HERITAGE EXHIBITION WALK AND KICKING OFF HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH. YOUR CONTRITION MAY BE MADE PAYABLE TO CENTRAL CULTURAL HISPANIC OF SAN MARCUS. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND SUPPORT IF ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO REACH OUT TO US. SAN MARCO'S KIWANIS CLUB THEY HAVE A SIMILAR THING ABOUT THE CHARITY RUN. I PROBABLY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH IT. BUT HERE IS MY OBJECTION. THESE ARE PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS. NOT ALL CITIZENS SUPPORT ALL THE THINGS THESE ORGANIZATIONS STAND FOR.AND YOU TALK ABOUT UNITING PEOPLE BUT, TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S DIVIDING PEOPLE AND I DON'T THINK YOU ARE RACIST BUT, FRANKLY, IT IS RACIST TO GIVE ONE GROUP ONE RACE OVER ANOTHER RACE. WHICH YOU CONSISTENTLY DO. I THINK IT'S ALSO WE SHOULD NOT PROMOTE ONE SEXUAL LIFESTYLE OVER ANOTHER. WHICH YOU ARE GOING TO DO HERE.

I AM SORRY. COUNTY MONEY SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR THIS.

THE KIWANIS CLUB I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO BUT THEY ARE A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION, TOO.

>> COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

>> I DO HAVE ONE OTHER WRITTEN COMMENT.

>> COMMISSIONERS FIRST. RESOURCE? OKAY, GO AHEAD, DOCTOR.

>> THIS IS A LETTER FROM SYLVIA SANDOVAL --.

>> THAT'S A LETTER THAT DID NOT MAKE THE COMPANY STILL GOT PAST TO EVERYONE.

>> DID THIS COME IN ON TIME?

>> I DON'T THINK THAT THE BEST PART OF THE LETTERS FOR THIS AGENDA.

IT DIDN'T MAKE A BACKUP. >> IT WAS HERE.

>> IT WAS IT DID NOT MAKE THE FINAL CLUB FRIDAY CUT OFF. JUDGE BECERRA, AS AN ORGANIZATION WE LEFT THANK YOU FOR THE PAST EIGHT YEARS OF SUPPORT.

AS LAWS ARE CHANGING WE ARE CONTINUOUSLY STRIVING TO MAKE IT IN OUR COMMUNITY SAN MARCO'S IS A UNIQUE ANNUAL OUT IN THE COMMUNITY CONTINUE TO MAKE FAMILY FRIENDLY AND FREEDOM WITH CONTINUOUS HELP FROM OUR COMMUNITY. THIS YEAR WE ARE SEEKING TO BE THE HELP OF $500 CONTRITION TO COVER COSTS AND INTUITIVE. NOTHING MEANS MORE TO US THAN TO SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC THAT SUPPORTS US. PLEASE CONSIDER US IN THIS YEAR'S PERTURBATIONS.

>> THANK YOU OF THE SINUS WILL PLEASE CALL WILL AFTER ALL IT WILL TAKE A BREAK AND COME BACK AT 11 O'CLOCK FOR THE WORKSHOP.

>> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE > YES

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH >> YES BUT I KNOW FOR ITEM 14.

>> COMMISSIONER SHELL >> YES TO ALL BUT ITEM NUMBER

14 >> OKAY.

AND COMMISSIONER COHEN >> YES

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>> JUDGE BECERRA >> HE FORGOT COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. AND YES. WE WILL TAKE A BREAK UNTIL 11 O'CLOCK. ALL THE GALILEANS FOR THE CAMERA I KNOW YOU HEARD IT.

[L1. 11:00 a.m. - Budget Workshop regarding the Fiscal Year 2024 budget. Possible action may follow. BECERRA/DORSETT]

THERE WE ARE.KAY AND IF YOU WILL PLEASE OPEN OUR AGENDA ITEM FOR THE WORKSHOP.

>> L1 11 AM BUDGET WORKSHOP REGARDING THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET POSSIBLE ACTIONS MAY FOLLOW.

>> ALL RIGHT, OKAY IF YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND TITLE FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC AND KICK US OFF.

>> VICKI DORSETT HAYS COUNTY BUDGET OFFICER. WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TODAY FROM DEPARTMENTS BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTING THE REGULATIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE. THIS WOULD BE FOR REPLACEMENTS IN OUR NEW CHARTS AS WELL AS DISCUSSING --. SHERRY MILLER OUR COMPENSATION COMMITTEE CONSISTS OF MYSELF OUR HR DIRECTOR JERRY MILLER, YOURSELF, THE COUNTY JUDGE ELAINE C?RDENAS, THE DA KELLY HIGGINS, JENNIFER OUR SUCCESSOR AND JERRY OUR TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR.

>>PERFECT, OKAY. JUST TO GET AN ASSESSMENT MR. HAYNES YOU'RE HERE FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM FOR THE WORKSHOP? PERFECT, JUST DOUBLE CHECKING I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE ANYONE OUT OF THE CONVERSATION. MS. MILLER, WHICH IS TO TAKE OFF ON THIS ITEM?

>> GOOD MORNING. SHERRY MILLER, HAYS COUNTY HR DIRECTOR.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FINDINGS AND IDEAS MAYBE A FEW RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMPENSATION COMMITTE . THE COMMITTEE HAS MET THREE OR FOUR TIMES SINCE IT WAS FORMED. AND PRODUCTIVE, GOOD DISCUSSIONS.

NATURALLY, NOT EVERYONE ALWAYS AGREES AND COMMITTEES LIKE THAT.

JUST TO PUT THAT OUT THERE BUT WE HAVE ALL LEARNED A LOT. SO FROM OUR MAGED STUDY THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED IN APRIL THE SALARY STUDY THE MAG RECOMMENDED IN THE SOLID CLAIM THAT WAS A STEP PLAN WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE TYPE OF PLANS WE HAD IN THE PAST WHERE WE HAD JUST A MINIMUM AND A MAXIMUM AND NO DESIGNATED POINTS OF SALARY IN BETWEEN.

PSET PLAN HAS WINDS OF SALARY I BETWEEN BASED ON WHATEVER PERCENTAGES IS APPROPRIATE FOR YOUR ORGANIZATION. MAG INITIALLY RECOMMENDED A PLANT THAT HAD 30 STEPS IN IT WITH 1.4 PERCENT BETWEEN EACH STEP, FIVE PERCENT BETWEEN EACH GRADE SO WE BEGAN AS THE CONVERSATION COMMITTEE BEGAN MEETING WORKING WITH THAT 38 STEP PLAN AND QUICKLY REALIZED THAT WAS A LOT OF STEPS WITH VERY LITTLE INCREASE BETWEEN EACH STEP.

SO WE FASHIONED A 15 STEP PLAN SO THERE IS 15 POINTS OF SELLERS FROM BEGINNING TO END THAT EMPLOYEES EMPLOYEES WOULD PROGRESS OVER 29 AND YOUR 29TH YOUR YOU GET YOUR LAST STEP.

OBVIOUSLY, NOT ONE INCREASE EACH YEAR SO OUR INITIAL RECOMMENDATION WAS TO IMPLEMENT A 15 STEP PLAN THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF OUR FIRST RECOMMENDATIONS HERE TODAY TO THE COURT. THE WITH THREE PERCENT BETWEEN EACH STEP.

IN THE EARLY YEARS AND YEARS AND TWO, THREE AND FOUR EMPLOYEES WOULD INCREASE BY ONE STEP. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING TO GO NOW IT'S KIND OF A GIVEN THAT THE COURT SHOULD THERE BE FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR INCREASES THAT WE WOULD IMPLEMENT INCREASES IF YOU IF THE EMPLOYEE IS IN YEARS TWO, THREE OR FOUR FOR THAT FISCAL YEAR THAT THEY WOULD GET ONE STEP. AND THEN BETWEEN THE YEARS FOUR AND SIX EMPLOYEES WOULD HOLD.

SO ONCE YOU ARE HERE IN YOUR FIFTH YEAR IT WOULD BE NOT UNTIL YOUR SIX DEAR YOU WOULD GET A STEP INCREASE. AND SO, WE FASHIONED THOSE 15 STEPS OUT INCREASING TO THREE YEARS CAPPING YOUR STEP INCREASES BY THREE YEARS BETWEEN THE YEARS 14 AND 17, 17

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AND 20, 23 26 AND 29. SO STRETCHING THAT SALARY INCREASE OUT FOR EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE BEEN HERE LONGER. IN THOSE YEARS AND IN ANY YEAR, EXCUSE ME, THAT AN EMPLOYEE MIGHT NOT GET AN INCREASE BECAUSEOF THEIR YEARS OF SERVICE THE COURT CAN ALWAYS APPROVE AND AUTHORIZE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR SALARY ADJUSTMENTS.

AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A MINUTE A LITTLE FURTHER. HOW DO WE GET INTO THE STEP PLAN? THE COMMITTEE AND THE GENERAL COMMUNICATION OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS HAVE BEEN THAT THERE THAT WE WOULD BUILD SCENARIOS SO WE DID BUILD TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS TO IMPLEMENT AND TO PLACE OUR EMPLOYEES FROM WHERE THEY ARE TODAY INTO THE STEP PLAN. AND SO, THOSE TWO SCENARIOS THE FIRST ONE IS HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WITH THE COUNTY? FROM YOUR LAST DATE OF HIRE THE COMMITTEE AGREED THAT PREVIOUS TERMS OF SERVICE WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR PLACING COUNTING THAT PREVIOUS SERVICE THAT YOU LEFT AND CAME BACK TO GO INTO THE PAY PLAN.THE SECOND SCENARIO WAS HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN YOUR CURRENT POSITION? REMEMBERING THAT THE GRADES WERE GRADED OR DESIGNED SALARY WISE FOR THE POSITION THAT THE EMPLOYEE IS DOING.

SO IF YOU HAVE CHANGED POSITIONS THE SECOND OPTION OR SCENARIO THAT WE BUILT WOULD BE TO PLACE YOU IN THE STEP PLAN BASED ON HOW LONG YOU HAVE BEEN IN THAT MOST CURRENT POSITION.

QUITE A DIFFERENCE IN THE FUNDING AMOUNT NECESSARY TO DO THAT BASIC DIFFERENCE IS ABOUT 1.3 MILLION. SO 2.5 TO GO IN USING TOTAL COUNTY EMPLOYMENT TIME AND 1.2 TO GO IN USING THE TIME IN POSITION. MAG ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED GOING BACK TO THEIR RECOGNITIONS AND THEIR REPORT AND THIS IS JUST A QUOTE FROM MAG THAT THEY RECOMMENDED IMPLEMENTATION ADJUSTMENTS ON THE VERY CONSERVATIVE FORMULA BASED ON LENGTH OF SERVICE AND JOB. SO THEY HAD US WHEN WE INITIALLY BEGAN THE STUDY TO PULL THOSE TWO DATES PROVIDE THEM A DATA, DATE OF EMPLOYMENT AND DATE OF TIME AND JOB.

THE RECOMMENDATIONS REMAIN RECOMMENDED IN THEIR REPORT WOULD BE TO IMPLEMENT USING DATE AND POSITION.THE COMMITTEE DOES NOT HAVE A SOLID REPUTATION FOR YOU ON THAT.

THERE WERE IF THERE WAS QUITE A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE WOULD FIND EACH OF THE OPTIONS.

VICKI WILL SPEAK ON WHAT WAS BUILT INTO THE BUDGET ALREADY. CONSIDERATION WAS SPOKEN ABOUT.

IF WE IMPLEMENTED USING TIME WITH THE COUNTY SO YOUR ENTIRE SERVICE WHETHER YOU CHANGE JOBS OR NOT TO GET INTO THE STEP PLAN THAT WE WOULD LOOK AND CONSIDER ILLUMINATING THE ANNUAL LONGEVITY PAY. NO ONE IS GOING TO BE YOUR BEST FRIEND TODAY WHEN THEY HEAR THIS. BUT THE LONGEVITY PAY GIVES EMPLOYEES CREDIT FOR THE LENGTH OF TIME THEY HAVE BEEN EMPLOYED WITH THE COUNTY. AND SO, IT WENT I THINK THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS IF WE USED LENGTH OF EMPLOYMENT WITH THE COUNTY THAT GIVES THEM CREDIT FOR THE WHOLE TIME THEY HAVE BEEN HERE WHICH IS WAY GREATER THEN THE LONGEVITY PAY.

IT'S FIVE DOLLARS A MONTH BEGINNING IN YOUR FIFTH YEAR OF EMPLOYMENT.

SO THAT WOULD BE SHOULD YOU CHOOSE THE GREATER IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THAT ALSO WE WOULD THEN DISCUSS ELEVATED THAT LONGEVITY PAY. ADVANCING THROUGH THE STEP ONCE WE IMPLEMENT THEM FOR FY 25 HOW TO BE ADVANCED THROUGH THE STEP PLAN? THE COMMITTEE AGREED THAT ADVANCING ONE STEP AS THE PLAN IS DESIGNED INTO THEM THOSE HOLDING YEARS, YEARS FIVE, SEVEN, THOSE YEARS THAT ARE SPACED OUT SO ANTICIPATING AND PLANNING FOR BUDGET EACH FISCAL YEAR TO ADVANCED THROUGH THE STEP.

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SHOULD AN EMPLOYEE BE IN A SITUATION WHERE THEIR PERFORMANCE IS AT RISK OR OTHER BEHAVIORAL ISSUES THAT WOULD MAYBE THE DEPARTMENT HAD WOULD DECIDE NOT TO ADVANCE THEM WE WOULD EXPECT A PERFORMANCE PLAN TO BE IN PLACE AND THAT THAT SITUATION BE DEEMED WORKED WITH WITH THAT EMPLOYEE SO ONCE IT'S RESOLVED THEY COULD ADVANCE. SO A LITTLE TIME THERE TO PERFORMNCE MANAGEMENT AND PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS. THE COMMITTEE ALSO DISCUSSED POSSIBLY INSTEAD OF WORK HOPEFULLY INSTEAD OF JUST ONE STEP IN THE YEARS WHERE THE COURT COULD FIND ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT THEY WOULD FIND SOMEHOW AND THERE IS A MYRIAD OF WAYS THE COURT COULD DO THIS BUT FUNDING THAT WOULD ADVANCE EMPLOYEE SALARIES GREATER THAN JUST THAT ONE STEP. SO HEALING ACTUALLY HAD AN IDEA TO FIND A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF EMPLOYEES IN EACH DEPARTMENT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN ADDITION TO THEIR STEP INCREASE. ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT WOULD BE TO FUND MERIT LIKELY DONE IN THE PAST THAT COULD BE ALLOCATED UP TO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD IF THEY WANTED TO ACROSS THEIR DEPARTMENT. IF THEY WANTED TO JUST ACKNOWLEDGE FEWER EMPLOYEES THAT WOULDCERTAINLY BEAT THEIR PREROGATIVE . WE WILL CONTINUE TO STUDY THAT JOB MARKET AND WAS HAPPY WITH WAGES AND PUBLIC ENTITIES AND OUR COMMUNITIES.

SO WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THERE WILL BE TIMES THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND COST-OF-LIVING ADJUSTMENTS WHICH WOULD ADJUST THE PAY CHART. SO YOUR MINIMUM WOULD INCREASE AS WELL AS ADJUSTING EMPLOYEES WAGES. SO WE LEARNED FROM MAG THAT THERE WERE TIMES THERE ARE TIMES WHEN YOU WANT TO ADJUST OR BE TO ADJUST THE PAY CHART AND THEY TAUGHT US THAT YOU DON'T ADJUST THE EMPLOYEES SALARIES THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT.

SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BETTER NOW AS WE GO FORWARD WE HAVE THE NEED TO MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT. ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION IS THAT BECAUSE THIS ESSENTIALLY IS A PAID PROGRESSIVE PLAN AND WE DEVELOPED SEVERAL OF THOSE HERE IN THE HAYS COUNTY OVER THE LAST LOT OF YEARS THAT THOSE PAY PLANS WE HAVE IN PLACE NOW WHERE EMPLOYEES ARE PROGRESSING THROUGH THEIR GRADE WHETHER NOT CHANGING GRADES OR CHANGING TO A HIGHER LEVEL JOB BUT JUST SALARY INCREASES FOR THE SAME JOB THAT THIS PLAN WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR THOSE TYPES OF PROGRESSIONS. SO WE WOULD HAVE A FEW PROGRESSION PLANS STANDING THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN JUST MOVING THROUGH THE SALARY GRADE. HOW DO WE ADMINISTER THE PLAN ONCE WE IMPLEMENT IT? IN TERMS OF PROMOTIONS AND DEMOTIONS.

RIGHT NOW, OUR PROMOTION POLICY IS YOU RECEIVE A MINIMUM OF A SIX PERCENT INCREASE.

SO IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOUR SALARY IS, WHAT GRADE YOU'RE IN AND WHAT GRADE YOU'RE GOING TO.

SO AT A BARE MINIMUM YOU ARE GOING TO GET A SIX PERCENT IF YOU ARE SELECTED FOR A PROMOTION. THIS NEW PLAN HAS FIVE PERCENT BETWEEN EACH GRADE AND MAG ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED A PROMOTION POLICY THAT ISN'T GOING TO AFFECT MATHEMATICALLY WITH THE WAY THIS PLAN HAS BEEN DESIGNED. MAG RECOMMENDED FIVE PERCENT FOR ONE GRADE INCREASE AND A 2 AND A HALF FOR EACH ADDITIONAL GRADE SO IF YOU MOVED FOR GRADES YOU WOULD GET A 10 PERCENT INCREASE. THAT'S NOT GOING TO FIT IN THIS PAY PLAN BECAUSE OF THE SPECIFIC SALARY AMOUNTS. A POSSIBLE SOLUTION WOULD BE IF YOU PROMOTE YOU ARE GOING TO GO TO A HIGHER GRADE THAT YOU GO TO THE STEP HIGHER IN YOUR END.

SO YOU WOULD GET FIVE PERCENT GOING TO THE NEXT. HIGHER AND THEN THREE PERCENT FOR THE NEXT HIGHER STEP. IT'S AN OPTION. IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT AND PROBABLY PUT TO THE TEST OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. IT WOULD BE A GREATER FUNDING ISSUE IF WE HAD A LOT OF PROMOTIONS. A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE PROMOTE

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NOT JUST ONE GRADE. SO WE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE IF THEY PROMOTED BY TWO GRADES WE WOULD HAVE 13 PERCENT INCREASE. DEMOTIONS WHETHER VOLUNTARY OR DISCIPLINARY WHICHEVER OCCURS RIGHT NOW THE THREE PERCENT WOULD NOT FIT INTO MAG RECOMMENDATION FOR DEMOTIONS.

CAN YOU FLIP THE PROMOTION YOU DEVOTE TO A LOWER GRADE AND THEN DOWN ONE STEP.

SO THAT YOU ARE NOT AT THE SAME POINT IN THAT NEW LOWER GRADE. YOU ARE EVEN LESS.

SALARY EXCEPTIONS HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANDLE SALARY EXCEPTIONS? SO THE COMMITTEE FELT LIKE THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS SHOULD HAVE THE AUTONOMY TO HIRE EMPLOYEES WITHOUT A LOT OF APPROVAL PROCESS GOING ON.

WHAT WE DID IS WE SPLIT THE PAY PLAN AND UP TO THE EIGHTH STEP THAT WE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND DETERMINE HEADS TO VET THE EMPLOYEE USE A MATRIX TO USE NOT JUST SUBJECTIVE WRITING OF THE EMPLOYEES OR THE APPLICANTS EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE BUT SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC AND STATISTICAL TO ADDRESS YEARS OF SERVICE AND YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN EDUCATION THAT WE COULD TIE TO ALLOWING THE DEPARTMENT HAD TO HAVE THE AUTONOMY TO MAKE THAT REQUEST TO GET NEW EMPLOYEES TO THE EIGHTH STEP. PAST THAT THEY WOULD BE TO CALL AND ASK THE COMMISSIONER COURT FOR THAT APPROVAL. PAY PLAN.

ANY QUESTIONS? I KIND OF WRAPPED VERY QUICKLY ON WHAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH FOR THE PAY PLAN. ASK I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GO OVER ONE MORE TIME ABOUT THE LONGEVITY PIECE. THIS FOR THAT TO THE VIEWING PUBLIC WOULD GET AN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE LONGEVITY MEETS. BECAUSE TODAY, ACTUALLY, YOU DID A GREAT JOB IN YOUR OFFICE PROMOTING THE LONGEVITY OF OUR COWORKERS SO LET'S EXPLAIN A LITTLE MORE, PLEASE. THE PAY PLAN

>> THE PAY PLAN TO GET INTO THE STEP THE COMMITTEE DEVELOPED TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

THE FIRST IS TO LOOK AT THE DATE THAT I CAME TO WORK. APRIL 1, THOUSAND.

SO TO LOOK AT THAT ONE SINGLE DAY MY LAST DATE OF EMPLOYMENT. I HAD WORKED YOUR PRIOR WE WOULD USE THE. LAST DATE I BECAME EMPLOYED WITH THE ACCOUNT.

AND WHATEVER EQUATES TO IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF YEARS FOR ME 18 YEARS AND WE WOULD GO TO WHATEVER EQUAL STEP IS IN THE 15TH. STEP PLAN.

THE SECOND SCENARIO IS USING DATE OF LAST POSITION. SO IF YOU HAVE PROMOTED OR CHANGED JOBS THEN WE WOULD GO AND USE THAT DATE. THE FIRST SCENARIO GIVES CREDIT TO THE EMPLOYEE FOR THEIR ENTIRE LENGTH OF SERVICE. SAME AS THE ANNUAL LONGEVITY AFTER FOUR YEARS OF EMPLOYMENT SO THIS WOULD GIVE THEM. WHEN THIS IS IMPLEMENTED.

IF YOU DECIDED TO USE DATE OF EMPLOYMENT. DATE OF POSITION WOULD WE HAVE LOOKED BACK AT THE TIME YOU WERE PROMOTED OR CHANGED POSITION AND FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE DATE OF EMPLOYMENT. IT'S THE SAME DATE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE NOT CHANGED JOBS. THEY ARE STILL IN THE VERY SAME POSITION THEY WERE HIRED INTO. AND SO, THAT IS A WASH. IT'S AN EQUALIZATION.

BEFORE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE PROMOTED. WE WOULD NOT GIVE CREDIT FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF EMPLOYMEN . AND I WOULD AND I THINK THE COMMITTEE WOULD AGREE THAT WE KEEP THE LONGEVITY PAY IF WE ADOPTED THAT ROUTE.

THAT CONTINUES TO GIVE CREDIT TO EMPLOYEES FOR THE LENGTH OF TIME THEY HAVE BEEN WITH HAYS COUNTY.

>> SO KEEPING LONGEVITY PAY FOR BLENDING IT INTO A GRAY PLACEMENT TEST HAS LED TO

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GENERAL?

>> THE TWO WOULD BE GENERAL PLACEMENT IN THE PLAN IS JUST THE DECISION IS WHAT DATE DO WE USE? TO PLACE EMPLOYEES INTO THE PLAN.

DO WE USE THE DATE THEY BECAME EMPLOYED OR DO USE THE DATE OF THEIR CURRENT POSITION?

>> THOSE ARE WONDERFUL QUESTIONS AND THAT'S A WONDERFUL STOPPING POINT SHE PROVIDED US. COMMISSIONER SHELL, QUESTIONS ON WHAT SHE DISCOVERED SO FAR?

>> NO, I WAS JUST WANT TO ASK VICKI WHAT IS THE AMOUNT THAT BUDGETED TO DO THIS FOR THE EMPLOYEES? WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR CURRENT POST-BUDGET?

>> CURRENTLY WE HAVE JUST OVER 2 MILLION AND THAT'S BROKEN UP IN SEVERAL FUNDS.

I HAVE A RECAP HERE CAN PROVIDE TO YOU.

>> BABY, THE LITTLE OVER 2 MILLION YOU JUST MENTIONED I KNOW WE ARE LOOKING AT OTHER AREAS ALSO. THAT'S TO COVER NOT ONLY PLACEMENT BUT ALSO TO COVER ANY OTHER DECISIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE.

IT'S ALSO TO COVER ANY ELECTED OFFICIALS.

>> NO MAN, THIS IS JUST FOR THIS STEP. SO I BROKE IT DOWN BY FUNDING SOURCE. I HAVE THE AMOUNTS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IF YOU CHOSE THE HIGHER THE HIRE DATE WHICH IS A 3.1. THE DIFFERENCE IN MY NUMBERS AND SHERRY'S'S SHARES IS BASED SELLING AND THIS IS TOTAL IMPACT.

SO THE REQUIRED AMOUNT FOR HER DATE WILL BE JUST OVER 3.1 MILLION.

SO IF YOU CHOSE TO IMPLEMENT ON HIRE DATE WE WOULD HAVE TO PHASE IT IN.

POSSIBLY, TO SCENARIOS THERE. YOU COULD ACTUALLY FIND IT EFFECTIVE TO-ONE JUST BY DELAYING IT OR YOU COULD PHASE IN OVER TWO YEARS. THE PROMOTION DATE IS 1.5 MILLION. SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A COST SAVINGS FOR THE PROMOTION AGAIN IS BROKEN BY FUNDS LITTLE OVER 200,000 SAVINGS.

>> FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC, VICKI, SO THEY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING WHAT YOU JUST HANDED US TO KNOW YOUR COWORKERS ARE WATCHING. SHE JUST HANDED US A FORM A SPREADSHEET AND PROMOTION DATE IS $1.5 MILLION IF WE ROUTED TO GO TO THAT DIRECTION AND THEN HIRE DATE IS 3.15 MILLION DOLLARS WHICH THE HIRE DATE FROM WHAT YOU HAVE JUST HANDED US WOULD GIVE MORE MONEY TO OUR COWORKERS VERSUS PROMOTION DATE.

SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE BEING SHOWN.

>> CORRECT. AND SHERRY TOUCHED ON A LITTLE BIT IF YOU DECIDED TO DO THE HIRE DATE AND THE COMMITTEE DID RECOMMEND TO DO AWAY WITH THE LONGEVITY PAYMENT IT WAS STILL WITH THOSE LONGEVITY PAYMENTS BECAUSE THOSE ARE BASED ON THE PRIOR 12 MONTHS.

>> THE IDEA IS ON THE LONGEVITY PAY AS IT WILL NOW BE INCLUDED IN THIS NEW PAY SOMEONE TO MAKE SURE THE VIEWING PUBLIC BECAUSE THERE'S A CONCERN IN THIS SPACE SPECIFICALLY THAT THIS PROGRAM EVERYONE'S ENTITLED TO IT SO IT'S IMPORTANT TOUNDERSTAND IT .

LONGEVITY PAY I DON'T WANT TO SAY IS GOING AWAY IS JUST BEING ALLOCATED DIFFERENTLY.

WITH THAT BE A GOOD SUMMARY?

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE AMOUNT OF LONGEVITY PAY US. WE?

>> FY 24 WE BUDGETED JUST OVER HALF A MILLION.

>> COMMISSIONER SHELL, THIS WAS YOUR LINE OF QUESTIONING ARE YOU GOOD? COMMISSIONER SMITH?

>> I THINK I'M GOOD I DO APPRECIATE THE SPREADSEET YOU SENT LAST NIGHT WITH EVERY INDIVIDUAL POSITION. I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF DATA AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THE COMMITTEE DID AS I KNOW THOSE ARE PROBABLY SOME HEATED CONVERSATIONS AT TIMES.

BUT I AM GLAD YOU ALL CAME BACK WITH SOME UNIFIED RECOMMENDATIONS.

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I DO APPRECIATE YOU ALL GET TO THAT POINT. ASK I KNOW THE VIEWING PUBLIC CANNOT SEE EVERYONE IN THE COURTROOM I WILL TELL YOU EVERYONE THAT WAS PART OF THAT COMMITTEE IS IN THE COURTROOM ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WE HAVE THIS CAME HERE MR. HIGGINS HERE AND OF COURSE EVERYONE ELSE YOU CAN SEE. COMMISSIONER INGALSBE.

>> I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, JUDGE.

>> COMMISSIONER COHEN, ON WHAT YOU. SO FAR.

>> SO PROMOTION DATE THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY MAG?

>> MAG STATEMENT IN THEIR REPORT READS MAG RECOMMENDS IMPLEMENTATION ADJUSTMENTS SO REMEMBER THEY WERE RECOMMENDED A STEP PLAN, ALSO. ON A VERY CONSERVATIVE FORMULA BASED ON LENGTH OF SERVICE IN CURRENT JOB. THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF DETAIL BEHIND THAT. BUT THE PROMOTION.

>> THE PROMOTION DATE WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE COMMITTEE AS AN OPTION?

>> THE COMPOSITION COMMITTEE TALKED ABOUT BOTH PROMOTION DATE AND DATE OF HIRE.

>> I AM THINKING THAT IF I'M AN EMPLOYEE OF THE COUNTY AND HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE THAT MIGHT HIRE DATE IS WHAT I'M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT. BECAUSE LONGEVITY HOW MUCH ARE THEY RECEIVING OF THAT? WHAT PERCENTAGE ARE THEY GETTING IS THERE PAY OR HOW IS THAT WORKING?

>> LONGEVITY IS PAID ANNUALLY IN THE LAST NOVEMBER PAYROLL.

>> CHRISTMAS MONEY.

>> IT HAS BEEN TERMED ALL SORTS OF WORDS, SHOPPING MONEY, IT WAS YEARS AGO PAID AND THE FIRST PAYROLL IN NOVEMBER TO CATCH BLACK FRIDAY. YOU HAD YOUR MONEY BEFORE BLACK FRIDAY CAME AROUND. BUT THAT WAS MOVED. IT'S A LUMP SUM.

IT IS CALCULATED IN YOUR FIFTH YEAR OF EMPLOYMENT SO ONCE YOU EXITED FOUR YEARS OF EMPLOYMENT IS FIVE DOLLARS PER MONTH FOR EVERY MONTH OF SERVICE. SO IS APPROXIMATELY $60 PER YEAR AND SO THE FIRST CHECK IS A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS BUT FOR EMPLOYEES AND THEIR SNOWCAPPED EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE BEEN HERE A NUMBER OF YEARS SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS.

NOW THAT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE BUILT INTO ANYTHING HERE ON TOP OF.

SO IN TERMS OF THE SAME LONGEVITY PAY IS REPLACED I THINK THE THOUGHT IS THAT IF WE COUNT DATE OF HIRE AND WE COMPENSATE YOU FROM YOUR HIRE DATE VERSUS YOUR LAST JOB DATE IF IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WE ARE COMPENSATING YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO BE AN EIGHT HIRE STEP IS SO THE WAY TO LOOK AT THAT IS THAT IS YOUR LONGEVITY. ELAINE.

>> OVERALL THIS ACCOMMODATES FOR LONGEVITY IN THIS STEP PLAN BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING ALMOST EVERY YEAR IS ON YOUR TIME.

>> THE ONLY DOWNFALL BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT DISAGREEING, THE ONLY DOWNFALL I AM HEARING IS ILLUMINATING THAT CHRISTMAS CHECK BUILT AND SAVINGS FOR PEOPLE .

SO JUST IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND BECAUSE WERE NOT VOTING ON THIS TODAY JUST IN THE BACK OF YOUR MINDS OF LIFE FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN, HOWEVER WE ADOPT THINGS IF THERE'S A WAY BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE FIVE YEARS AGO, SHERRY, YOU PROMOTED A LOT IN REFERENCE TO OUR EMPLOYEE INCENTIVES, EMPLOYEE PROGRAMS AND EVERYTHING AND WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT THAT'S A BUILDING INCENTIVE THAT WE HAVE CREATED FOR OUR COWORKERS.

AND SO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT COST NO MORE IS JUST A MECHANISM TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO HELP KEEP THAT BUILT-IN SAVINGS FOR THEM WHATEVER WE DO IN SOME KIND OF WAY BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE AS YOU POINTED OUT ARE USING IT FOR CHRISTMAS. JUST AN IDEA.

I WANT TO KEEP LONGEVITY PAY HEARING WHAT IS BEING USED FOR. I WAS A BROKEN DOWN I KNOW THE FEELING. NOT THAT YOU HAVE TO BE BROKE TO APPRECIATE THAT BUT I DO REMEMBER THAT.

>> I DO SEE THERE WOULD BE A HIGHER PAY INCREASE THAT WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. I THINK THAT AT LEAST TALKING TO THE EMPLOYEES I HAVE SPOKEN

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WITH DATE WOULD MUCH RATHER BECAUSE OF THE PAST THE LONGEVITY PAY IS STEADY YOU KNOW IT'S COMING. THEY MAY HAVE BECOME DEPENDENT SOMEWHAT DEPENDENT ON IT BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY ASSERTING MORE THAN THAT OVER THE 12 MONTH PERIOD I THINK THERE WILL BE MUCH HAPPIER WITH GETTING THE INCREASE IN INCOME OVER LONGEVITY.

I THINK THAT THE COMMITTEE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THOSE ISSUES LIKE EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. TALK TO A NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT THAT WAS A BIG ISSUE FOR THEM. AT THE END OF THE DAY I THINK WE CAME UP WITH THIS REPETITION BECAUSE HE FELT IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT AND FORGIVE ME IF I'M MISSTATING HERE I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR OF SOMEONE IN THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS BUT I THINK THEY DID THIS BECAUSE IN THE LONG RUN IT'S BETTER FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.

I HAVE AN ISSUE AND THIS IS ME PERSONALLY I WOULD MUCH RATHER TAKE CARE OF THE EMPLOYEES OVER TIME THEN TO A CHECK AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND SAY THIS IS WITH THE WE ARE SO GLAD YOU ARE HERE IS MORE OF A SHOW THAT THE COUNTY DID SOMETHING FOR THESE EMPLOYEES THAT ACTUALLY DELIVERING WHAT WE NEED FOR THE EMPLOYEES OVER TIME. I JUST WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THEM YEAR-ROUND NOT JUST ONE TIME A YEAR WITH SOME SHOW OF WHAT WE AS A COUNTY DID FOR THEM. WHEN REALLY IT'S THE MONTHLY, YES, THEY DEPEND ON IT FOR CHRISTMAS IS THE MONTHLY RENT AND UTILITIES THEY HAVE TO PAY AND HELPING THEM ON THAT MONTHLY BASIS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER.

BOX BASED ON YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS YOU ARE SUPPORTING THE HIRE DATE WHICH IS HIGHER PAY.

AND WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS WHATEVER WE CHOOSE HIGHER-PAYING IS HIRE DATE JUST FOR THOSE INFORMATION FOR THE ONLY THING I'M SUGGESTING IS IT'S JUST AN ADDED SAVINGS TOOL FOR PEOPLE.N OTHER WORDS, I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T SUPPORT HIRE DATE BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE SUPPORTING HIRE DATE BY WHAT YOU JUST SAID I WILL SAY I WOULD SUPPORT HIRE DATE 100 PERCENT IS MORE PAY FOR OUR COWORKERS BUT IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF MECHANISM THAT WE COULD ALLOW THEM TO OPT IN FOR A YEAR AND SAVINGS FROM THEIR OWN MONEY MAYBE FOUR PEOPLE WANT TO DO IT BUT I THINK SO MANY GOT USED TO IT THAT I'M JUST SAYING HELP THEM WITH SOME KIND OF MECHANISM LIKE THAT BUT NOT MODIFIED ANYTHING FURTHER.

>> CAN THEY DO THAT NOW WITH DEFERRED COMP? RIGHT NOW THAT OPTION IS AVAILABLE TO OUR EMPLOYEES IF THEY WANTED TO FURTHER AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE WITHDRAWAL PROCESS WORKS.

>> WITH PENALTY.

>> WE DON'T WANT TO PENALIZE THEM WANT TO PROVIDE THESE LITTLE PERKS AND WE DON'T KNOW THE VALUE OF A DOLLAR AND WHILE THIS IS A CUP OF STARBUCKS IT'S DELICIOUS AND NO KNOCKING ON STARBUCKS BUT THIS IS A CUP OF STARBUCKS ONCE A MONTH WHICH AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU'RE LIKE YOU CAN'T REALLY COUNT THAT WERE AT THE END OF THE YEAR YOU GOT A PILE OF MONEY TO GO DO SOMETHING WITH.I JUST THINK THAT PART THAT SOMEBODY GOT USED TO WHATEVER WE DECIDE ON I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE SHERRY BECAUSE YOU'RE THE PRETTY ONE IN THAT SPACE IF WE COULD CREATE SOME MECHANISM TO ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE TO RECEIVE SOME KIND OF SUPPORT IN A FIELD THAT SAVINGS.F APPROACH STRAIGHT FROM US.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY, NOT EVERY EMPLOYEE IF YOU CHOOSE THE DATE OF HIRE, NOT EVERY EMPLOYEE WILL RECEIVE A HIGHER SALARY AMOUNTS OR INCREASE VERSUS DATE IN POSITION.

SO IT'S DEPENDENT ON WHAT THOSE DATES ARE AND IF THEY ARE DIFFERENT.

SO I DON'T WANT EMPLOYEES TO HEAR YOU SAYING YOU GET A HIGHER SALARY IF USED DATE OF HIRE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT EXACTLY TRUE FOR EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE.

>> CORRECT, EVERYONE WILL BE INDIVIDUALLY ASSESSED. SO THE NEXT PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION.

>> INCLUDES THE REQUEST THAT CAME IN FROM DEPARTMENTS REGARDING OR REQUESTING EITHER POSITIONS TO BE REGRADED OR THE NEED TO PROMOTE TO A HIGHER LEVEL POSITION THAT MAY NOT EXIST RIGHT NOW. SO THE COMMITTEE FOR THEIR GRADES SO WE WANT TO TAKE A JOB AND THE JOB IS NOT CHANGING, THEY ARE GOING TO BE DOING THE EXACT SAME WORK BUT WE THINK THEY NEED TO BE IN A HIGHER GRADE THE COMMITTEE NEEDS A LITTLE MORE TIME, MORE THAN JUST A FEW WEEKS TO ANALYZE THOSE REGRADED REQUESTS. AND SO, WE HAVE AGREED AS A

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COMMITTEE TO RECOMMEND TO THE COURTS THAT WE NOT IMPLEMENT ANY OF THE REGRADED REQUESTS EXCEPT FOR ONE CATEGORY OF PHYSICIANS THAT WE BELIEVE AND THAT WE KNEW PRETTY SOON AFTER THE MAG IMPLEMENTATION THAT THOSE POSITIONS WERE NOT RATED CORRECTLY.

THE MARKET DATA DID NOT SUPPORT HOW THEY WERE GRADED THEY EITHER GOT BIAS BUT WE DID REALIZE REALLY SOON AFTER MAG AND THEY ARE THE INVESTIGATORS IN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SO WE DO WANT TO RECOMMEND AND IT'S IN THE BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE GROUP OF PEOPLE I THINK THERE'S NINE POSITIONS WITH GOING TO BE READY. BUT THERE ARE PROBABLY SEVEN OR EIGHT OTHER REQUESTS FROM A VARIETY OF DEPARTMENTS WE WILL AS A COMMITTEE TALK WITH AND HAVE THE DEPARTMENT HEADS SPEAK WITH US ABOUT THEIR REGRADED REQUEST AND WHAT THEY BELIEVE THE POSITIONS ARE NOT RATED CORRECTLY. AND THEN

>> I'M GOING TO IN Q1 SECOND YOU SAID SOMEWHERE IN THE FUTURE RETURN TO CLOSE UP THE BUCKET WHEN WILL THOSE BE DONE?

>> WE BEEN ASKED TO PUSH THE REGRADED UP TO JANUARY. SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET THROUGH THE REPRINT REQUESTS IN TERMS OF DATA COMPILATION AND ANALYSIS.

SO WE ARE ANTICIPATING AND MAYBE BEFORE JANUARY BE FINISHED IN OCTOBER THAT WE COULD COME THERE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS WE WOULD BE ABLE TO.

AND VICKI WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT SHE NEEDS WITH THE BUDGET.

>> MAGIC NUMBERS.

>> THAT'S MY POINT IS REGRADED REQUESTS. I MAY DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THE NUMBERS WITH THE COURT BUT I THINK WE TO MAKE ADDITION ON THESE AS WE DON'T WANT TO COME BACK IN OCTOBER A MONTH INTO THE FISCAL YEAR AND SAY WE ARE ALWAYS REPRINT NEED TO LOOK AT.

JUST WENT TO THE ENTIRE YEAR AND AND A HALF LONG PROCESS TO MAKE SURE WE DID NOT HAVE TO DO THIS.E DO THIS ON AN ANNUALIZED BASIS IS WHAT I'M HOPING OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS AND NO OFFENSE TO ANY DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT ARE HERE BUT IF WE DO THIS CORRECTLY IN THE BUDGET PROCESS THEN WE WOULDN'T SEE ALL THESE REQUESTS WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS FOR THE GRADES AND IN NOVEMBER OR JANUARY OR FOR THE REST OF THE CURRENT YEAR.

I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE EVEN IF WE TALK TO EACH ONE OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT WE DON'T GET A REPUTATION YET I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS ON SOME OF THESE SO WE DON'T SEE THEM AGAIN. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO THE REST OF THE COURT OR AM I WRONG IN THAT ASSESSING? X I GUESS MY QUESTION IS

>> I GUESS MY QUESTION IS YOU NOTICE THE INVESTIGATORS WERE NOT WERE THEY NEEDED TO BE.

>> PRETTY SOON AFTER THE MAG ADOPTION.

>> AS FAR AS THE OTHER REQUESTS YOU ALL FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THEY ARE WHERE THEY NEED TO BE AS FAR AS MAG'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> PRELIMINARILY LOOKED AT THE REREADS THERE'S ONE DEPARTMENT THAT MAY COULD BE VIEWED AS A HYPER- ORGANIZATION. THE SUBTITLING CHANGE REQUESTS AND GRADE CHANGE REQUEST.

FOR THE MOST PART THE DATA THAT MAG USED I AM STILL SUPPORTS THE GRADES THAT THESE JOBS ARE IN. WE WOULD NEED TO DIG THERE'S ONE GROUP OF JOBS IN THE JUVENILE DETENTION FACILITY THAT WE NEED TO THAT'S WHAT THOSE TRUCKS FOR YEARS.

HARD TO GAIN APPLICANTS, HARD TO KEEP. IT'S THE JOB SO WE HAVE THEM PAID AROUND 40,000. BRETT IS ASKING FOR A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE GREAT WHICH ONE PUSH OTHER JOBS UP TO HIGHER GRADES AND ALSO WOULD IMPACT SUPPOSITIONS IN JUVENILE PROBATION. THOSE JUVENILE DETENTION AND PROBATION ARE REVERED AGAINST EACH OTHER.

>> AT A BARE MINIMUM IF WE CAN GET SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS FROM THE DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVE, AND SPOKE AND SAID LOOK THESE ARE IMPORTANT WE REALLY HAVE TO HAVE THESE AND THOSE ARE THE DAS OFFICE, THE ONE REGRADED IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY SERVICES. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON THEM.

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I KNOW THE OTHERS HAVE MULTIPLE POSITIONS AND MULTIPLE TITLE CHANGES THEY WANT TO LOOK AT THOSE ARE MUCH MORE COMPLICATED BUT YOU SPECIFICALLY SELECTED THE DAS OFFICE FOR THAT AND IT WAS EASILY IDENTIFIED THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS ONE EMPLOYEE REPRINT AND THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY SERVICES IS A REGRADEDOF ONE EMPLOYEE . I JUST THINK THOSE ARE GOING TO BE EASY RECOMMENDATIONS YES, SIR NO OR YES WE THINK THESE ARE VALID OR NOT COULD BE DONE QUICKLY. THE OTHERS I UNDERSTAND WITH MULTIPLE EMPLOYEES IN THOSE DEPARTMENTS THOUGH SLIGHTLY HARDER. BUT AT LEAST THOSE THREE I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOME INFORMATION ON.

>> SORRY EXCUSE ME, JUDGE. THE TOTAL GENERAL FUND I THINK REREADS WOULD HAVE IS $584,000 SO IF ARE GOING TO PUSH REREADS INTO THE FISCAL YEAR AND WE WANTED THE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO JUST ALL OF THEM THAT IS THE CASE WE WOULD NEED TO BUDGET $584,000 SET ASIDE.

THAT BEING SAID I THINK WE HAVE A CLEAR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE INVESTIGATORS THAT WAS MISSED IF EVERYONE AGREES THAT SO I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.

THE REMAINDER OUTSIDE JUVENILE DETENTION WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CHALLENGE AND I KNOW HAS BEEN VERY HARD TO OBTAIN OR RETAIN THOSE EMPLOYEES THAT THE BIGGEST CHUNK TALK ABOUT GENERAL FUND THAT'S $476,000. UM, WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF REGRADES WE WENT TO THIS PROCESS UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING SOMEONE MISSED NO OFFENSE TO ANYBODY.

WE GOT TO SET THIS THING AT SOME POINT AND I'M READY FOR IT TO BE DONE.OESN'T MEAN MY COLLEAGUES IS DESIGNED TO DO DIFFERENTLY AND I WILL SUPPORT WHATEVER THE FINAL DECISION IS BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M LOOKING TO DO. I DO THINK THE JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER ISSUE IS THE ANALYZED AND TAKE SOME TIME TO UNDERSTAND IF WE CAN POSITIVELY AFFECT THE SITUATION BECAUSE IT HAS GOTTEN OUT OF HAND A FEW TIMES THE STAFFING LEVELS BUT THAT'S THE BIG CHUCK. 476,000 WE WOULD HAVE TO HOLD OVER IF THEREWERE PLANS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WHICH I THINK THE ANSWER RIGHT NOW IS WE DON'T KNOW YET WE NEED TO DO THAT .

>> I AGREE WE NEED TO WRAP THIS THING UP ALREADY. IT IS AGAIN I AGREE NOT ANYONE OR ANY ORGANIZATION OR DEPARTMENT I AGREE WE NEED TO WRAP THIS THING UP BUTTON DOWN OUR BUDGET PROCESS SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO SUPPORT THEELECTED OFFICIALS AND GOVERNMENT HEADS IN THIS SPACE . HURRY UP AND SHAKE THIS ETCH-A-SKETCH AND BE DONE WITH IT ONCE AND FOR ALL. COMMISSIONER COHEN.

>> I AGREE. I MADE THE INVESTIGATORS I THINK MORE YEAR TO GO BACK INTO MORE EVALUATION AND TALK TO DEPARTMENT HEADS MORE?

>> YES, SO THE PLAN WILL BE DEPARTMENT REQUESTING THE REGRADES SHOULD SPEAK WHOLE TO LISTEN, I THINK THAT THE BIG OF WHAT THE ROOM AND SUBMITTED THE REQUEST OF INTEREST TO HAVE CONVERSATION WITH THEM THE SAME WIFE, FOR INSTANCE, THE POSITION OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS BEING ASKED. WHAT HAS CHANGED IN THE JOB? WHAT HAS GROWN AND DEVELOPED A HIGHER LEVEL? THAT WOULD CAUSE THE SHERIFF ASK FOR THAT.

>> I THINK OVER THE YEARS PEOPLE HAVE ABSORBED EXTRA DUTIES BECAUSE OF LOW STAFFING ANYONE SO PEOPLE HAVE HAD TO TAKE ON THIS ADDITIONAL DUTIES THAT I THINK IT SHOULD

>> OFTEN TIMES AT HIGHER LEVEL JOBS. AND THEIR MARKETING SINCE WE WERE PRESENTED THE CASE. OTHER COUNTIES WE MENTIONED ARE DOING THE EXACT SAME THING WE ARE. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO GIVE UP FOR IT, THE SPORT LOOK LIKE. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO USE MARKET DATA THAT WAS USED IN THE STUDY. AND WE HAVE THAT CAN CATAPULT THE AND WORK AS A COMMITTEE

WITH >> SO ONE IN THE EDITION I DON'T KNOW IF FOR THE ADOPTION OF THESE WE LOOK TO SET ASIDE FUNDING FOR THE NEXT FISCAL

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YEAR TO ADDRESS THE OVERALL REGRADED SITUATION. SET ASIDE A POT OF MONEY SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT AND GIVE YOU ALL THE TIME TO DO THOSE REVIEWS.

>> WE WOULD NEED TO DECIDE ON THE ACTUAL PAID PLAN IMPLEMENTATION STEP PLAN ETC.

AND SEE WHAT THERE IS AN DEVOTION TO THAT AFTER THAT.

>> I DO HAVE $125,000 SET ASIDE FOR PROMOTION AND REGRADE'S. THE COMMITTEE HAS RECOMMENDED ABOUT 85,000 SO THERE WILL BE ABOUT ANOTHER 40,000 SURPLUS IN THAT.

>> DOCTOR, YOU ARE A GREAT NOTETAKER AS PART OF THIS COMMITTEE IS THERE SOMETHING WE LEFT OUT FROM WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED SO FAR THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE? ONLY THE PART THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.

>> IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REGRADE'S WE NOTICED THAT SOME OF US WE WOULD HAVE BEEN PREPARED TO COME TO COURT TODAY TO DEFEND AND PRESENT AND INSTEAD WE ARE TOLD MORE TIME WOULD BE LIKE SO I HOPE WE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE I BELIEVE JOBS IN MY POFFICE CHANGED AND IF THEY ARE REGRADED PERFECTLY I WOULD HATE TO THINK I WOULD -- STARTED ASKING US A YEAR AGO I THINK OTHERS WOULD HAVE THE SAME THING.

I WANT TO POINT OUT IN MY CASE THAT MOST OF MY OWN FUNDS AND THAT THE GENERAL FUND.

WHICH IS A CONSIDERATION BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO ADD.

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SOME POINT AS A COMMITTEE NOTHING WAS LEFT OUT.

I'M TRYING TO FIND THE CHECKPOINTS TO KEEP US MOVING.

>> MAY I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION, SO DOCTOR, WHEN MAG DID THE STUDY THE POSITIONS THAT I GUESS THE REGRADED IN YOUR OFFICE HAVE CHANGED THE WORDS THE ONES?

>> THEY DID NOT CHANGE THEM OR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE GIVEN INSTRUCTIONS THEY SAID YOU COULD IF YOU HAD MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN A SET POSITION YOU COULD FILL OUT ONE IN EVERYONE'S NAMES LISTED. THEY SOMEHOW MISSED THAT. THE INFORMATION THAT WE SUBMITTED TO SUPPORT WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS A SIMPLE GRADE. THEY TOLD US TO SUBMIT IT LATER AT THE END OF THE PROJECT AND AGAIN IT WAS OVERLOOKED AND I DON'T KNOW WHY OR WHAT HAPPENED. BUT WE DO FEEL THAT WE HAVE A STRONG BASE FOR REGRADING IF WE WANT TO DO IT IS ORGANIZATION OR AN ENTIRE OFFICE. ONE THING I THINK PARTICULARLY BUT MY ASSISTANT CYNTHIA WAS IMPROPERLY REGRADED SHE'S AT THE BOTTOM BELOW ALL THE OTHER ASSISTANCE AND SHE'S ASSISTING DEPARTMENT HAS ELECTED OFFICIALS.

I THINK SHE'S TO BE RAISED. SHE'S HIGHLY QUALIFIED SHE DOES AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB.

SHE OBVIOUSLY DID A LOT OF BACKGROUND WORK TO HELP ME ON THIS WHOLE PROPOSAL.

IN THE, PROBABLY A COUPLE GRADES AT LEAST BELOW THE OTHER ASSISTANCE.

MY OFFICE IS THE LARGEST IN THE COUNTY. WE HAVE A BIG TEAM, BIG STAFF AND A LOT OF DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITY'S AND SHE'S AN EXTRAORDINARY WELL.

IF YOUR MINIMUM I LIKE TO SAY WE AT LEAST GET THAT REGRADED. AT THIS POINT.

BUT IT'S A BIG CHANGE IN MY OFFICE OUTLOOK IN PLACE THE LOOKING AT MYSELF A LITTLE WE NEED TO REGRADED BECAUSE IT'S CHANGED OVER TIME.

>> MY WHOLE THING IS THAT WE DON'T JUMP THIS PAST THE BUDGET.

I HOPE WE CAN COME TOGETHER IN A TIMELY MANNER AND SAY HERE IT IS AND WE ARE DONE WITH THE BUDGET.

>> WELL, I AGREE THE SOONER THE BETTER FROM WHAT I HEARD PREVIOUSLY, SHERRY, YOU ALL HAD DETERMINED THAT IT WOULD TAKE MORE TIME AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF REALISTICALLY CAN WE DO THA ?

>> WE DO NEED TIME TO ANALYZE THE REQUESTS IN THE DATA BUT WITH THE COMMITMENT FROM THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS SEPTEMBER 22? SEPTEMBER 19. I CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

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I CAN SCHEDULE IT AND GET THE DATA. THERE'S NO REASON WE NEED A COMMITMENT FROM THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND I THINK WE DO HAVE ONE TO GET TOGETHER IF WE NEED TO MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK UNTIL THEN.

>> FINISH THIS. I LOVE THAT SPIRIT, SHERRY.

>> AT THE END OF THE PROCESS AND OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS MAY SHOOT ME FOR SAYING THIS BUT AT THE END OF THIS PROCESS WE NEED TO PASS A RESOLUTION OR I'M GOING TO PROPOSE A RESOLUTION THAT WE DON'T DO ANY SALARY REGRADED EXCEPT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS.

I MEAN, THE MONTHLY OR AT TIMES WEEKLY REQUEST FOR REGRADED OR CHANGING POSITION WE NEEDED TO STANDARDIZE THAT TO A PROCESS THAT IS MANAGEABLE. AND IT CAN BE ANTICIPATED BY OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS. I DON'T MIND DOING ALL THIS WORK DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS BUT THEN TRYING TO MAKE THESE ADJUSTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO JUSTIFY THEM IT'S EXCEEDINGLY DIFFICULT AND I SEE VICKI NODDING HER HEAD. I SEE, I SAW THREE DIFFERENT HEADS NODDING THEIR HEAD. IT'S UNTENABLE THE WAY WE HAVE BEEN DOING IT.

THIS WOULD STANDARDIZE THAT PROCESS AND SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE A HEADS UP TO MY COLLEAGUES INTO ORDER. HENCE THAT I KNOW I AM PROBABLY WELL NOT PROBABLY I KNOW ONCE WE GET THIS PROCESS SETTLED IN WHICH IT PROPOSE THAT RESOLUTION.

>> MS. O'KANE AND MRS. HIGGINS AND MR. ARE ALSO HERE FROM THE COMMITTEE AND I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO SPEAK AS WELL IN WHATEVER ORDER YOU WANT.

YOU HAVE A MICROPHONE IN FRONT OF YOU.

>> I WILL JUMP IN AND I EXPRESSED THIS DURING THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING.

THIS IS ON ME I GUESS I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION BUT I DIDN'T ASK FOR ANY RE-GRADES.

THINKING THAT THE MAG STUDY DESIGNATIONS FOR GRADES WAS GOING TO BE SET IN AT LEAST FOR THIS BUDGET CYCLE WE WERE ESSENTIALLY STUCK WITH THE MAG DETERMINATION.

AND SO, I DID ASK FOR SOME INCREASES FOR CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS BUT I DIDN'T ASK FOR RE-GRADES. LIKE I SAID I GUESS IT WASN'T THE INTENTION I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS AN OPTION. I THOUGHT WE WERE OKAY WITH THE MAG STUDY.

>> YOU DID THE RIGHT THING. OU ACTUALLY FOLLOW THE PROCESS.

>> NOW, HERE AGAIN JUST LIKE AT THE END OF THEIR WERE RE-GRADES GOING ON UP UNTIL A COUPLE MINUTES AGO, MAYBE, MAYBE A MONTH AND HALF AGO. AND THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME FAIRNESS IN WHAT'S GOING ON.

>> MS. O'KANE? MR. HIGGINS.

>> I HAVE ONE ISSUE AND I WANT TO APOLOGIZE OR LACK OF FAMILIARITY WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS.SOME OF THE PROCESSES GOING ON HERE. I HAD UNDERSTOOD AS A PART OF A BUDGET DISCUSSION A VERY FINITE ISSUE IN MY OFFICE MIGHT HAVE BEEN TAKEN UP.

I'M STARTING TO SEE NOW THAT I SHOULD HAVE PUT THIS ON AS A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM.

AND SO, BEFORE I EVEN BRING IT UP I JUST WANT TO ASK COURT WHETHER YOU WANT TO HEAR IT.

OTHERWISE, I'M IN GENERAL AGREEMENT WITH EVERYTHING THE COMMITTE DECIDED AND TOLD US.

I DO HAVE ONE LITTLE ISSUE.

>> HOW PRECISE CAN YOU BE WITH THAT?

>> VERY.

>> WE ARE REALLY BURNING TIME HERE.

>> THE COURT APPROVED A NEW PARALEGAL POSITION IN MY OFFICE WHICH IS SET TO BEGIN NEXT APRIL 1. I WANTED TO ASK THE COURT TO LET IT BEGIN, I WANT IT TO GET STARTED OCTOBER 1 I DON'T WANT TO WAIT THE EXTRA MONTHS BEFORE I'M ABLE TO DO THIS FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUESTS.

>> THAT WAS A BIT OF A REACH ON THE WORKSHOP SPACE.

>> THIS IS MY FIRST YEAR TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS BUDGET PROCESS AND LEAVE THE COMMITTEE NUMBERS WILL BACK ME UP WHEN I TELL YOU I AM VERY UNSOLICITED IN THAT LIGHT.

I WANT TO PAY AS MUCH MONEY AS WE CAN AFFORD TO PAY THEM I THINK WERE DOING THEY ARE DOING THEPUBLIC VALUE JOB .

>> SHARED SENTIMENT.

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>> JUST ONE COMMENT I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT MAG DID AND I'M SUPPORT IN THE COMMISSIONERS AND WILLINGNESS SO FAR. FROM WHERE WE WERE A YEAR AGO.

WE DO HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND UNDER THE BEST OF CIRCUMSTANCES SOMETIMES THERE ARE REFINEMENTS AND ERRORS THAT ARE MISSED. I THINK WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANCE TO PICK UP PLACES THAT LOOKED WERE OVERLOOKED AND MISSED. I BRIEFLY IN SUPPORT OF DOING IT ANNUALLY WHEN THE BUDGET. SOMETIMES IT CAN BE FIXED. ASK MS. MILLER, BACK TO THE PRESENTER, IS THERESOMETHING ELSE YOU WANT TO PRESENT DURING THIS WORKSHOP AT THIS TIME ? OR VICKI.

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER TECHNICAL PRESENTATIONS. WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR THE TIME THEY HAVEDEVOTED . IT ELAINE IS A FABULOUS NOTETAKER AND HAS PROVIDED US WITH FABULOUS SUMMARIES AT THE END OF EACH MEETING WHICH HAS BEEN MUCH APPRECIATE. I WANT TO CONTINUE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BOTH LOOK PHYSICALLY AT THE COUNTY ORGANIZATION THE ORGANIZATION OF THE POSITIONS AND IT'S HARD, I KNOW IT'S HARD, IT TOOK ME EIGHT LONG TIME TO DO IT BUT YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE PEOPLE OUT OF YOUR THOUGHTS. SO I KNOW IT'S NOT A SKILL OR EXPERTISE WE ALL HAVE BUT I DO APPRECIATE THEIR COMMITMENT ESPECIALLY TO THE NEXT FEW WEEKS TO REVIEW THE REVIEW REQUESTS AND I THINK EVERY DEPARTMENT HAD THAT IS SUBMITTED TO REVIEW THE ONES THAT DIDN'T AND ARE LISTENING TO COMMUNICATE WITH US AS A COMMITTEE ABOUT THE REQUEST AND WHAT THEY SEE. THE ONCE LIVING AND BREATHING IN THEIR DEPARTMENTS EVERY DAY AND WE ARE NOT. WE ARE TASKED WITH OPERATING A PAY PLAN AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, THANK YOU.

>> WERE WE MAKING RECOGNITION ABOUT ELECTED OFFICIALS?

>> VICKI HAS THAT IN HER PRESENTATION.

>> VICKI IS NEXT.

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR WE ARE NOT NEEDING TO MAKE ANY MOTIONS TODAY, NOT EVEN FOR THE INVESTIGATORS?

>> I HAVE ON MY SPREADSHEET WE TYPICALLY HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 1 PM WE WILL NEED TO TAKE A BREAK AND DISCUSS AND PREPARE AND I WILL BRING IT BACK TO YOU AND GO OVER SOME THINGS THAT DEPARTMENTS HAVE COMMENTED TO ME DIRECTLY ABOUT, A FEW CLEANUP ITEMS AND THEN WHAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY WILL BE INCLUDED IN THAT, AS WELL. THE COMMITTEE DID MAKE A RECOMMENDATION SO THAT VALUE WILL BE ADDED SO YOU CAN THEN DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO VOTE ON THAT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. DO THEY INCLUDE MARKET RECOMMENDATION? OKAY, GOOD.

>> OKAY SO, AS YOU KNOW FOR TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE TODAY THE DAILY ALLOWANCES FOR ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS. COUNTY ELECTED OFFICIALS I HAVE PREPARED I HAVE THE 10 YEAR HISTORY I PROVIDED LAST WEEK AS WELL AND I WENT AHEAD AND MADE ANOTHER COPY SO YOU HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU. THIS WILL GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE THE SALARIES HAVE FALLEN IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, THE INCREASES THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN, I HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN BY SALARIES, BASE SALARY WITH THE ALLOWANCES ON THE BACKSIDE IS THE COMBINATION OF ALL CONVERSATIONS. COMPENSATIONS. SO THE PACKET THAT I HANDED OUT ACTUALLY HAS A RECAP ON THE FRONT AND THEN EACH INDIVIDUAL ELECTED OFFICIAL.

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IF YOU TURN TO THE SECOND PAGE IT STARTS WITH THE COUNTY JUDG .

SO THE FIRST BLOCK OF INFORMATION IS ACTUALLY FROM THE MAG STUDY.

AS YOU KNOW, WHEN MAG WAS HERE LAST FALL AND THIS PAST SPRING THEY CONDUCTED COMPENSATION STUDY FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS, AS WELL. THE FINAL REPORT THAT THEY SUBMITTED INCLUDED A MARKET AVERAGE AS WELL AS RECOMMENDATIONS.

NOW THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT MAG PRESENTED IN THEIR REPORT WAS MARKET AVERAGE +10 PERCENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO JUST POINT OUT THAT WAS NOT WHAT WE DID FOR COUNTY EMPLOYEES IT WAS EITHER MARKET FOR UP TO AT LEAST 10 PERCENT. SO IT WASN'T MARKET +10 PERCENT. SO I THINK WHEN WE DID NOT ADOPT THE MAG PLAN EXACTLY FOR THE EMPLOYEES WHENEVER THOSE ADJUSTMENTS HAPPEN THEY DID NOT GO BACK AND UPDATE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS RECOMMENDATIONS. SO THE COMMITTEE REVIEWED ALL THESE REQUESTS AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND OUR REGULATION IS THE MARKET AVERAGE.

WE ALSO DISCUSSED POTENTIALLY BUILDING AND A TIERED APPROACH BASED ON TERMS IN OFFICE.

SO, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE STATE AS IS WITH THEIR DISTRICT OFFICIALS HAYS COUNTY WOULD BE TERM ONE WOULD BE SAID AND IF YOU'RE IN A TERM TO YOU WOULD NEED SECOND-TIER AND TERM.

HE WOULD MOVE TO THE THIRD TIER. YOU COULD IMPLEMENT 1/4 TIER OR YOU COULD CATCH UP THE STATE CAPS OUT. THAT IS THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COMMITTEE. I DID DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.

I TALKED TO GENERAL COUNSEL, AS WELL. THERE IS DEFINITELY AN OPTION FOR THE COURT TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING LIKE THIS. THIS IS A MATTER OF POLICY.

IT MIGHT GET A LITTLE DIFFICULT IN THE PUBLISHING. THE STATE DOES NOT REQUIRE TO DO THE SAME PUBLIC NOTICES THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO POST. SO IF YOU DECIDED TO DO A TIERED APPROACH WE WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY POST THE TERM ON THOSE ELECTION YEARS.WE WOULD NOT NEED TO DO THAT THIS YEAR IT'S NOT AN ELECTION YEAR BUT ON AN ELECTION YEAR IF YOU ARE POSTING PER STATUTE THE COUNTY HAS TO POST INCREASES IF YOU'RE NOT POSTING INCREASES YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE ANYTHING POST ANYTHING AT ALL. PROPOSING AN INCREASE FOR AN ELECTED OFFICIAL WEATHER THAT ELECTED OFFICIAL IS GOING TO BE AN OFFICE THE FOLLOWING JANUARY WE DIDN'T KNOW AT THAT TIME SO YOU'RE SETTING THAT SALARY AND THAT YOU ELECTED OFFICIAL IS ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO GET THAT SAME SALARY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAS POSTED.

WE WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY FIND A WAY TO POST THE TERMS WITH THE INCUMBENTS WHICH COULD GET A LITTLE MESSY. I ALSO ADDED ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SUMMARIES THE FLAT PERCENT INCREASES JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION. THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION AND THE FLAT INCREASE CALCULATIONS FOR EACH ELECTED OFFICIAL IN THEPACKET .

THE RECAP ON THE FRONT ACTUALLY GOES GETS YOU A QUICK SUMMARY OF WHAT THE TOTALS ARE AND WHAT THE COST IS INCLUDING FRENCH AND HOW MUCH WE HAD BUDGETED AND WHAT WE ARE OVER OR UNDER TO IMPLEMENT ANY OF THESE SCENARIOS. QUESTIONS?

>> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, WE WILL START WITH YOU.

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M SEEING THIS CORRECTLY, THE FIRST PAGE, VICKI.

I APOLOGIZE FOR MY VOICE. SO THE INCREASE TO IMPLEMENT I GUESS THE MARKET AVERAGE WOULD

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BE 274,194 IF WE WERE TO DO A 10 PERCENT INCREASE AS WE DID FOR ALL OUR OTHER EMPLOYEES IT WOULD BE 184,000?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. THE TOTAL INCREASE WOULD BE TO 23 WITH THE FRINGE BUT THE BASE SALARY IS 184.

>> SORRY, I DIDN'T LOOK DOWN.

>> I INCLUDED IN THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET A 10 PERCENT INCREASE THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION.

>> WHAT IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT?

>> 223, 195. THE DIFFERENCE IN THE OVERALL 10 PERCENT CAN.

JUST A COUPLE OF ALLOWANCES. OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS THERE ARE THREE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT RECEIVE PHONE ALLOWANCES THAT ARE CURRENTLY GETTING THE OLD ALLOWANCE OF $420 ANNUALLY AND THOSE ALLOWANCES WERE UP SEVERAL YEARS AGO FOR EMPLOYEES FROM 540.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO MOVE THOSE ALLOWANCES UP FOR THOSE THREE OFFICIALS.

SO NONE OF THE OTHER ALLOWANCES INCREASE. YOU WILL SEE THE BASE SALARY INCREASE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE INDIVIDUAL PAGES. SO IT'S BASICALLY TAKING THE GROSS BECAUSE NOT ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS RECEIVE ALLOWANCES. SO WE TAKE THE GROSS AND AVERAGE THAT BACK OUT THE ALLOWANCES THAT WE PROVIDE FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO GET BASE PAY.

>> AND WE ARE SETTING SALARIES FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS TODAY?

>> WE ARE REQUIRED TO SET THE SALARIES AND ALLOWANCES TODAY. WE WILL ALSO HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE NEED TO SET THE SALARY FOR JP 22 IF THAT IS STILL BEING CONSIDERED.

THAT IS NOT BEEN APPOINTED YET OR WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT APPOINTMENT DATE SO WE CAN ADVERTISE FOR THAT, AS WELL.

>> OKAY.

>> COMMISSIONER COHEN.

>> I DON'T THINK I HAVE QUESTIONS JUST YET I AMJUST ABSORBING .

>> COMMISSIONER SHELL.

>> I LIKE THE TERM IDEA IN GENERAL. HOWEVER, I DO UNDERSTAND THE COMPLICATIONS OF POSTING SALARIES. I WAS ALWAYS IN THE UNDERSTANDING YOU COULD PAY LESS THAN WHAT YOU POSTED I DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD TO PAY WHAT YOU POSTED.

>> THE STATUTE IS NOT CLEAR. I THINK IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE COVERED UNDER THAT STATUTE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO POST THE TERM AMOUNT. SO IF IT WAS AN INCUMBENT WE WOULD NEED TO POST THE HIGHER TIERED SALARY AS WELL AS THE LOWER DEPEND ON WHAT TERM THEY WERE FEELING. POTENTIALLY. SO YOU COULD BE POSTING THREE SALARY RANGES TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE COVERED FOR WHOMEVER.

>> IF SOMEONE STAYS ON AN INCUMBENT OR IF THERE ON THEIR THIRD YEAR ORTHIRD TERM .

>> KEEP ON FOR THE PUBLIC.

>> SO FOR THE SENTENCES YOU CAN SAVE THE LONGEVITY IF THERE TERM STAYS AND THEN THIS IS ADDED TO THE PAY.

>> WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE POSTING THIS YEAR BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN ELECTION YEAR.

AND YOU COULD DO THIS YOU CAN SET YOUR PERCENTAGE INCREASES DIFFERENT FOR ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL. IT'S AT YOUR DISCRETION SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 10 PERCENT ACROSS-THE-BOARD WE'VE DONE THAT IN TIMES IN THE PAST WHERE YOU CAN SEE IN THE SUMMARY IN 2016 THERE WAS A VARIATION OF INCREASES NOT EVERYONE RECEIVED THE SAME INCREASE THAT YEAR.

SO YOU COULD STILL DO THAT BUT BECAUSE OF THE WEEK THE STATUTE IS WRITTEN YOU HAVE TO SET THOSE ALLOWANCES EVERY YEAR. THE SALARIES AND YOU HAVE TO POST ANY INCREASES.

>> COMMISSIONER, ANYTHING ELSE?

>> NO, I WOULD SAY I JUST LIKE THE STEP PROGRAM, AS WELL. I GET HOW IT CAN BE MESSY WITH THE POSTING. I READ THAT STATUTE A NUMBER OF TIMES AND IT'S JUST NOT CLEAR ON WHAT THE ATTEMPTED TO MAKE A REQUIREMENT AND THEY DON'T OUTLINE WHAT THE REQUIREMENT SHOULD BE. I WOULD SAY AND THIS IS SOMETHING YOU MENTIONED EARLIER

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THAT I DON'T THINK ANY OF US HAVE ADDRESSED BUT THE ONE NUMBER TWO, THREE TERMS WE COULD BUILD 1/4 TERM OR DO SOMETHING ELSE I THINK THAT WE WANT TO JUST FOR BUDGETARY PURPOSES I WOULD LIKE TO PROBABLY KEPT THAT AT THREE AND THEN WE KNOW AT THAT POINT WHAT THAT WHAT OUR MARKET IS. I THINK I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

AND THAT WAS OUR RECOGNITION AS A COMMITTEE TO DO A THREE TERM CAP AND THAT'S IT.

>> I DO THAT THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.

>> ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER IS WHAT WOULD IT SIMPLY BE A TERM FOR HAYS COUNTY OR WITH THE OTHER EXPERIENCES THAT YOUR COUNTY IS AN.

>> I THINK JUST TERMS HERE LET'S NOT OBLIGATE IT. WE HAD THREE YEARS, I'M SORRY WE KILLED THAT, PRETTY QUICK.

>> THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TERMS IS 12 PERCENT. THE COMMITTEE IS RIGHT MANY 12 PERCENT AS WELL AS THE STEP PLAN THAT EMPLOYEES WOULD GET IS A THREE PERCENT STEP.

THE STATE SAID 10 PERCENT YOU COULD SET ITWHEREVER .

>> IF WE ADOPTED THIS PLAN, THE STEP PLAN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WOULD REPLACE THOSE THOSE CURRENT ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THOSE INDIVIDUAL STEPS?

>> YOU WOULD AND WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT.

WE ARE SHORT $460,000 IN MARKET TERMS. SINCE WE ONLY BUDGETED THE 10 PERCENT. BUT I DO HAVE THOSE CALCULATIONS THE THIRD COLUMN ON THE RECAP. THAT'S PLACEMENT IN YOUR CURRENT TERM.

>> I MEAN I THINK IT WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, AS WELL. I KNOW IT COST MORE BUT I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF ACTUAL DURING THAT PLACEMENT AND GETTING FROM DAY ONE EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL IN THE PROCESS WHERE THIS MAY SOUND BAD BUT I HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH OUR CONSTABLES EVERY YEAR. I THINK IT'S VERY, I HAVE SUPPORTED EVERY SINGLE THING EXCEPT FOR THE INDIVIDUAL PAY INCREASE BECAUSE ESPECIALLY COMING OUT AND ELECTION YEAR AND YOU KNOW WHAT THE JOB PAID WHEN YOU RAN FOR IT. YOU GOT THE JOB IN SIX MONTHS LATER YOU'RE ASKING FOR A PAY INCREASE. I HAVE A PERSONAL ISSUE WITH THAT. IF THE PLACED IN THOSE IN THAT STEP PLAN AND IT'S KNOWN THAT THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE AND IF YOU WILL RUN AGAIN THAT THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO BE I LIKE THAT, A LOT. BECAUSE IT CLEARLY DELINEATES AND IT MAY PUT AN END TO THOSE ANNUALIZED ELECTED OFFICIALS COMING IN AND ASKING FOR A PAY RAISE.

>> JUDGE, CAN I ASK SOMETHING YOU GOT ME INTO THIS NOW. THE REASON I THINK THE TERM IS A GOOD IDEA IS COMMISSIONER INGALSBE IT AS CLOSELY AS WE CAN TO THE EMPLOYEE PAY PLAN HE TRIED TO LOOK TOWARDS, IT'S CLEAR I HAVE A YEAR AND AND A HALF LEFT AM NOT GOING TO BE RUNNING FOR REELECTION SO THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME I HAVE NOT GOT A RAISE SINCE I HAVE BEEN A COMMISSIONER EXPORT THAT FOR MULTIPLE REASONS THEY DO RECOGNIZE THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME YOU NEED TO HAVE EQUITABLE WAY OF PAYING ELECTED OFFICIALS.

AND IF EVERYBODY JUST AS I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE A RAISE YOU WANT TO GET TO A POINT WHERE IT GETS OUT OF WHACK. WHEN I GOT HERE IT HAD GOTTEN OUT OF WHACK A LITTLE BIT AND IT TOOK A FEW YEARS IN THE COURT DID SOME CHANGES ON HERE AND THE STAFF MEMBER THAT WAS PUTTING NUMBERS TOGETHER I THOUGHT SOME OF THEM WERE PAID UNDERPAID AND I SAW SOME WERE OVERPAID BUT THAT WAS JUST MY OPINION AT THE TIME. SO I THINK THAT'S THE REASON I LIKE IT IS BECAUSE OF PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE TO TRY TO TAKE THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE THE POLITICS OUT OF IT. THE ELECTED OFFICIAL PAY. I FOLLOW THEIR COUNTY.

THIS BUDGET YEAR THERE PAY FOR THEIR ELECTED WAS OUT OF WHACK BECAUSE THEY WERE JUST HAVING AN ELECTED OFFICIAL DIFFER THERE A RAISE. IN FACT, REMEMBER COMMISSIONER DOING THAT AND THE BETTER IDEA WAS DONATE THAT IF YOU WANT TO WRITE A CHECK BACK TO THE COUNTY THAT IS FINE WERE DONATED TO A TERRIBLE COST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IF I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY AND IN BEAR COUNTY THEY WERE NOT LETTING THAT HAPPEN

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SALUTING SENIOR OFFICIALS MAKING LESS THEN A NEW OFFICIALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND IT SEEMED TO BE PUTTING A VALUE ON PRECINCTS AND LOOK LIKE THERE WASN'T EQUITABLE SITUATION BETWEEN PRECINCTS. I THINK THE TERM IS THE BEST WAY TO PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT CAN BE REASONABLY FOLLOWED. OVER THE YEARS BEYOND OUR TERMS OF SERVICE. AND OF COURSE, TAXPAYERS HAVE ALL THE ABILITY IN THE WORLD TO SAY WHETHER THEY BELIEVE THAT'S REASONABLE OR NOT. I THINK THAT'S THE REASON I LIKE IT IS TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING WHERE IT'S CONSISTEN .

RECOGNIZES THE TERMS SO THAT THAT SITUATION WITH THE NEW OFFICIAL COMING IN AND ANOTHER OFFICIALS SAY I'VE BEEN DOING THIS JOB YOU HAVE SOMEONE DOING THE SHOW FOR A LONG TIME SITTING DOWN THERE SEVERAL OF THEM HEAR JP'S AND CONSTABLES I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO TAKE CARE OF IT THOUGH IT'S A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

I DISAGREE WITH THEMARKET . I HAVE SAID THAT EVERY TIME. I KNOW THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN DECIDED AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN USED. I DON'T THINK THE MARKET FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS IS THE SAME AS THE MARKET FOR EMPLOYEES. AND BY SAYING THAT I MEAN WHEN WE COMPARE OUR EMPLOYEES TO TRAVIS OR WILLIAMSON IT'S BECAUSE WE COMPETE DIRECTLY IN THIS MARKET FOR EMPLOYEES. WE JUST IGNORE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE PAY WERE NEVER GOING TO GET QUALITY EMPLOYEES. I THINK WE HAVE TO USE NOT JUST COMPARABLE COUNTIES WE HAVE TO USE OUR REGION AS A MARKET. FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS I LOOKED AT IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD COMPARE OURSELVES TO URBAN COUNTY OR COLLIN COUNTY OR ANY OF THE OTHER COUNTIES. OF ALWAYS SAID THAT I KNOW THIS IS THE MARKET.I KNOW AT LEAST IT'S CONSISTENT WITH EMPLOYEES BUT THAT HAS JUST BEEN MY CONCERN.

>> CAN I JUST POINT SOMETHING OUT REGARDING THE MARKET, WHEN THE MARKET IS BENCHMARKED FOR EMPLOYEES IT'S BENCHMARKED MINIMUM. WE CANNOT DELINEATE THIS FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS SALARIES BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A 20 YEAR ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT'S IN THIS MIX FOR A NEW ELECTED OFFICIAL WE DON'T EXACTLY GET MARKET MINIMUM THAT WE BENCHMARKED FOR EMPLOYEES.

>> WE DID IT WHEN YEAR THAT WAS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WAS GOING THROUGH EVERY COUNTY AND HOW THEY DO A DIFFERENT AND TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT PROVIDES AN AVERAGE BECAUSE THINGS ARE DONE DIFFERENTLY.

>> OKAY WELL, THAT WAS THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMITTEE AND THERE WERE A BIG CHUNK OF US WERE ELECTIVES IN THERE WE SAID IN A PRIVATE SETTING YEAH, LET'S FOLLOW CLOSEST TO THE PROCESS AS EMPLOYEES. THAT MADE MOST SENSE TO US AND IT WAS MOST EASILY DESCRIBABLE AND DEFENDABLE.

>> I TALKED TO PROBABLY ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT THIS AND THEY ARE ALL SUPPORTIVE OF THIS

TIERED APPROACH.ASK >> IT'S A BUILT-IN SYSTEM TO ASK. THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS NOT LONG AGO TO PUT IT ON AUTOPILOT AND NOT CATCH IT BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO.

>> IT'S POSSIBLE, JUDGE, WE GOT SO FAR BEHIND WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT AND WE COULD SEE LARGE INCREASES WHICH WE DID THAT ONE YEAR I GUESS AND 2018 OR WHATEVER THAT WAS, 16.

>> ON THE INDIVIDUAL SHEETS YOU WILL SEE THE PERCENT INCREASE FOR BASE THAT'S THE TOP PERCENTAGE AND IF YOU ARE IN A SECOND OR THIRD TERM YOU WILL NEED TO ADD THAT 12 PERCENT.

SO THOSE THAT IS WHAT WILL BE POSTED THOSE INCREASES AS WELL WILL BE POSTED.

>> THOSE THREE STEPS AND BE DONE WITH IT AND THEN MOVING FORWARD WE WILL NOT TO WORRY ABOUT AND THERE WILL BE A BUILT-IN SYSTEM AND MAKE SURE IT FLOWS WITH THE REST OF THE TEAM.

>> THE STEPS WILL NOT BE POSTED IN THIS POSTING.

>> FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT I KNOW THIS WILL ONLY IMPACT A COUPLE OF ELECTED OFFICIALS BUT FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT WHEN WE APPOINT SOMEONE TO A POSITION TECHNICALLY THEY ARE IN THEIR FIRST TERM WHEN THEY ARRIVE. SO I WOULD JUST AS WE DO THIS WE NEED TO SET A POLICY THAT I THINK IF YOU ARE APPOINTED AND SERVED TWO YEARS AND THEN YOU

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RUN TECHNICALLY THAT'S YOUR FIRST TERM STILL. AND SO, WE WOULD KEEP THEM IN STEP ONE FOR THE FIRST FULL TERM AND THEN AT STEP TWO AFTER TERM.

IT WOULD ONLY IMPACT FOR EXAMPLE WHEN WE EMPLOYED A JUSTICE TO PRESENT TO AND TWO YEARS I DON'T SILLY WANT THEM TO BE ON STEP 2. THEY NEED TO BE ON STEP ONE.

I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.

>> APPOINTMENTS DON'T COUNT.

>> THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR ME AS WELL I WAS APPOINTED. MULTIPLE ELECTIONS I'M STILL IN MY SECOND TERM.

>> I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WE HAD A HAVING A HANDFUL OF TIMES SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE SO JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

>> BABY, WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT TO RECAP, OR BE GOOD, SHOULD BE CLOSE THIS DOWN?

>> I'M GOING TO PREPARE SOMETHING FOR YOU TO VOTE ON THIS AT 1 O'CLOCK.

SO I NEED SOME TIME FOR THAT. SO YOU ARE ALL SUPPORTIVE OF THE TERM SO WERE GONNA FIND THE $460,000.

>> I WILL CLOSE THE WORKSHOP AND YOU WILL HAVE TIME TO DO YOUR WORK AND AT 1 O'CLOCK WE WILL BE READY TO VOTE ON THAT AND REMOVE THE REST OF THE AGENDA IN THE MEANTIME.

CLOSING THE WORKSHOP, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AM NOT GOING TO GIVE US A BREAK I THINK WE ARE OKAY MOVING ON, RIGHT? ARE WE GOOD?

[I1. Discussion and possible action to authorize the execution of a Supplemental No. 12 to the Professional Services Agreement with HNTB Corporation and Fiscal Year Work Authorization for the Hays County/TxDOT Partnership Program General Engineering Consultant (GEC)/Program Management services in Hays County, increasing the Compensation Cap by $211,074.00 from $7,782,695.30 to $7,993,769.30 and extending the termination date of the contract to September 30, 2024; authorizing a discretionary exemption pursuant to Texas Local Government Code Chpt. 262.024 (a)(4). SHELL/BORCHERDING]

LET'S MOVE THROUGH.

>> I ONE. DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF A SUPPLEMENTAL NUMBER 12 TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH HNTB OPERATION AND FISCAL YEAR WORK AUTHORIZATION FOR THE HAYS COUNTY TEXAS DOT PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM GENERAL ENGINEERING CONSULTANT PROGRAM MANAGEMENT SERVICES AND HAYS COUNTY INCREASING THE COMPOSITION CAN'T BY 211,074 -- $211,074 FROM $7,000,782,695.30 TO 7,993,700 6900 $0.30 AND EXTENDING THE TERMINATION DATE OF THE CONTRACT THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30, 20 BEFORE AUTHORIZING A DISCRETIONARY EXEMPTION PURSUANT TO TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CHAPTER

262.024 MOTION MOTION >> MOTION

>> SECOND >> --I DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF PARTNERSHIP PROJECTS ANOTHER PRESENT BUT IS STILL ANOTHER PRECINCTS THIS WILL CLOSE THAT OUT. WE HAVE GOT UP TO THREE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THE MAIN ONE BEING THE 2016 BOND PROGRAM THIS WOULD BE APPROVED BEFORE SO THIS PROGRAM IS ALMOST FINISHED VISUALLY A FEW PROJECTS LEFT.

>> BEAUTIFUL, PLEASE CALL ROLE.

>> COMMISSIONER SHELL >> YES

[I2. Discussion and possible action authorizing the County Judge to execute a Supplemental Work Authorization 1 to the Professional Services Agreement with Doucet & Associates to increase the amount payable from $52,800.00 to $66,400.00 for additional design services related to parking lot expansion at the Pct. 2 office building and amend the budget accordingly. COHEN/BORCHERDING]

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE >> YES

>> JUDGE BECERRA >> YES.

I?. >> I 2 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION AUTHORIZING THE JUDGE TO EXECUTE A SUPPLEMENT TO WORK AUTHORIZATION ONE TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH DOUCETTE AND ASSOCIATES TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF PAYABLE FROM $52,800 TO $66,400 FOR ADDITIONAL DESIGN SERVICES RELATED TO THE PARKING EXPANSION AT THE PRESENT TO OFFICE BUILDING AND AMEND THE MAJORITY.

>> --WE ARE REALLY EXCITED.

>> PLEASE CALL ROLE.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH, COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, COMMISSIONER COHEN,

[I3. Discussion and possible action to authorize the County Judge to execute Contract Amendment No. 3 in the]

COMMISSIONER SHELL, JUDGE BECERRA.

>> YES.

>> I3 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE TO EXECUTE CONTRACT AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE AND THE AMOUNT OF $40,000 TO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH RPS INFRASTRUCTURE INCORPORATED FOR THE FM 61 SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT AND PRESENT ONE AT THE 2016 ROAD BOND PROGRAM UTILIZING A DISCRETIONARY EXEMPTION PURSUANT TO TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 262.0 24A FOUR.

NOTHING ELSE COMMISSIONER?

>> THIS WOULD ALLOW RPS INFRASTRUCTURE TO PROVIDE SOME PROJECT MANAGEMENT SERVICES

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REGARDING THIS PROJECT.

>> JUDGE, WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER INGALSBE FOR THIS PROJECT 621.

MY FAMILY HAS A FARM DOWN AT 621 JUDGE I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE.

621 WAS A NO SHOULDERS STATE ROAD FOR MY WHOLE LIFE. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A LOT MORE TRAFFIC ON 621 THEN THERE WAS WHEN THE WORLD WAS CREATED. I DROVE THROUGH THERE THE OTHER DAY AND IT IS AWESOME. THE SECTION THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETD THE CURVE MY MOTHER WAS ALMOST KILLED THERE IN A CAR ACCIDENT WHEN I WAS YOUNG. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT WORK I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE SUBDIVISION THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.

>> IT WAS A GREAT PROGRAM THIS IS A SECOND PHASE WHERE IT'LL WILL ALIGN THE INTERSECTION AT 621 IT'S VERY DANGEROUS AND YOU HAVE TO REALLY TURN YOUR HEAD TO SEE ONCOMING TRAFFIC.

AND SO, ANYWAY WE ARE EXCITED.

>> THANK YOU PLEASE CALL ROLE.

>> COMMISSIONER COHEN, COMMISSIONER SHELL,COMMISSIONER INGALSBE , COMMISSIONER SMITH,

[I4. Discussion and possible action to award a contract for IFB 2023-B16 Centerpoint Road with Capital Excavation in the amount of $1,724,962.85. INGALSBE/BORCHERDING]

JUDGE BECERRA >> YES I4.

>> I FOR DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AWARD A CONTRACT TO IFB 2023-B 16 POINT ROAD WITH CAPITAL IF EXCAVATION IN THE AMOUNT OF 1,724,000 900-6200 $0.85.

I AM EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROGRAM IS OLD AND IT WILL LOWER HILLS LIKE HILLS ON CENTERPOINT ROAD IN THE BACK AND ROAD AND SO IS A JURY FOR HIS WILLINGNESS TO LOOK AT CONTRACTORS WHO WILL COME IN WE ALWAYS ANTICIPATED THE ROAD TO PERMIT WE DO THE PROJECT BUT WITH COVID AND THE SHORTAGES WE HAD IS VERY DIFFICULT SO WE'VE GOT A CONTRACTOR TO COME IN AND DO THE JOB.

>> GOOD JOB, JERRY, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. PLEASE CALL ROLE.

>> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, COMMISSIONER SMITH, COMMISSIONER COHEN,

[Items I5 - I9]

COMMISSIONER SHELL, JUDGE BECERRA.

>> YES.

>> I AT FIVE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 5, 2023 TO ESTABLISH A 25 MILE PER HOUR ON.

NORTHERN AND SANTA FE RUN.

>> LET'S OPEN AT THE REST OF THEM ALL AT ONCE.

>> I6 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 5, 2023 TO STEP FIVE MILE-PER-HOUR SPEED LIMIT ON ROLLING MEADOWS LANE. BUT I SEVEN DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 5, 2023 TO ESTABLISH A FOUR-WAY STOP AT THE INTERSECTION OF HILLSIDE TERRACE WE MEADOWS LANE AND HERON DRIVE.

LATER I ATE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO CALL FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 5, 2023 TO ESTABLISH A 35 MILE-PER-HOUR SPEED LIMIT ON SAWYER RANCH ROAD.

I9 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON SOME TIMBER FIFTH, 2023 TO ESTABLISH 25 MILE-PER-HOUR SPEED LIMIT WITHIN THE GREEN PASTURE SUBDIVISION.

[J1. PLN-2171-NP; Discussion and possible action regarding the Aveyns Court Subdivision, Final Plat. SHELL/PACHECO]

>> PLEASE CALL ROLE. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH, COMMISSIONER SHELL, COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, COMMISSIONER COHEN, JUDGE

BECERRA >> YES.

>> J1 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE HAVEN'S COURT SUBDIVISION FINAL PLAT.

>> THE VARIANCE OF COURT DESCRIBED AS A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION ACROSS THE .5 ACRES LOCATED OFF OF JACOB'S WELL ROAD INCREASING THREE. THIS SUBDIVISION WATER SERVICE WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED BY PUBLIC UTILITY WATER PROVIDER AQUA TEXAS AND WASTE WILL BE PUBLISHED BY VISUAL ON-SITE SEWAGE FACILITIES. THE UNIQUE ASPECT OF THIS SUBDIVISION IS PORTIONS OF THE SUBDIVISION TO LIVE WITHIN THE CITY OF WEMBLEY AND CITY OF WOODCREEK EXTRATERRITORIAL'S DIVISIONS. BOTH BIGGEST COUNTIES HAVE DONE THEIR TO THE COUNTY THE STAFF HAS REVIEWED AND WORKMAN'S APPROVAL OF THE SUBDIVISION PLAT AND NO VARIANCES ARE REQUESTED.

>> MOTION FOR APPROVAL. SECOND PLEASE CALL ROLE.

[J2. Discussion and possible action to authorize the County Judge to execute a Development Agreement for the Haney Park Subdivision between Hays County and Haney Park, LLC. INGALSBE/PACHECO]

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH, COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, COMMISSIONER SHELL, COMMISSIONER SMITH COMMISSIONER COHEN, JUDGE BECERRA.

>> YES.

>> J 2. DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE

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TO EXECUTED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THAT HANLEY PARK SUBDIVISION BETWEEN HAYS COUNTY AND HE DEPARTED.

>> WE PROPOSE 1185 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL UNITS OR HOMES WILL BE INCLUDED TOWNHOME LOTS. FOR COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY LOTS AND THIS IS PROXIMALLY 245 ACRES OF LAND. THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS WHAT WE HAVE SEEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN MORE SO WITH THE SUBDIVISION AGREEMENT FOR THE REQUEST IS TO FROM THE DEVELOPER TO TREAT THE PROJECT IS ALLOWED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HER REGULATIONS. IN TERMS OUTLINED IN THE AGREEMENT IS KIND OF ALSO WITH THE COUNTY BECAUSE ALLOWS US TO HAVE TIMELINES FOR THE FINAL PLAT FACES OR PHASES OF FINAL PLAT WILL BE SEDATED. THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS OF DISAGREEMENT THAT ARE UNIQUE AND HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY STAFF AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENTS AS WELL AS TERMS OF EXPIRATION OF THE FINAL PLANS HOWEVER STAFF COUNSEL HAS REVIEWED THIS AGREEMENT AND WILL TAKE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. BUCKS JUDGE, MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND PLEASE CALL ROLE.

>> COMMISSIONER COHEN, COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, COMMISSIONER SHELL, COMMISSIONER SMITH, JUDGE BECERRA

>> YES.

[J3. PLN-2232-PC; Discussion and possible action regarding Fitzhugh Acres, Lot 4, Replat. SMITH/PACHECO]

>> WE ALREADY HAD A MOTION.

>> PLEASE OPEN J3.

>> J3. PLN-2232-PC DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FITZHUGH ACRES. LOT FOR REPLY.

>> THE PLOT FOR REFLECT IS ACROSS 7.39 ACRES FOR THE SUBDIVISION WATER SERVICE WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED BY RAINWATER HARVESTING COLLECTION SYSTEMS AND WASTEWATER SERVICES WILL BE ACHIEVED THROUGH INDIVIDUAL ON-SITE SEWAGE FACILITIES. STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE PLAT WE RECEIVED RECENT MISSION OF THE PLAT AND THE DEFICIENCIES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL THERE'S NO VARIANCES REQUESTED AT THIS TIME.

>> PERFECT. PLEASE CALL ROLE.

>> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, COMMISSIONER COHEN, COMMISSIONER SHELL,

[K1. Discussion and possible action to authorize the County Judge to execute the Hays County American Rescue Plan Recover Grant Agreement between Hays County and Hays County Emergency Services District #6 regarding recovery assistance for direct or indirect impacts of COVID-19 and amend the budget accordingly. SMITH]

COMMISSIONER SMITH, JUDGE BECERRA

>> YES.

>> K1. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHOR'S AND THE COUNTY JUDGE TO EXECUTE THE HAYS COUNTY AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN RECOVER GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN HAYS COUNTY AND HAYS COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT 6 REGARDING RECOVERY ASSISTANCE FOR DIRECT OR INDIRECT IMPACTS OF COVID 19 AND AMEND THE BUDGET ACCORDINGLY.

>> COMMISSIONER.

>> YOU, JUDGE. ACTUALLY WE HAVE THE JUDGE, WE HAVE THE CHIEF TO MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS. THIS IS CHIEF FROM ESD SIX.

>> ESD SIX, JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE QUICK AS A SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WE HAVE BEEN LEFT OUT OF DIRECT ACCESS TO ANY OF THE REGRADE FUNDS WHO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR RECOGNIZING THAT AND HELPING US WITH SOME OF OUR AMENITIES AND COMMIT WE PURCHASED ON HER WAY TO SERVICE THE CITIZENS OF HAYS COUNTY.

>> I HAVE A FIRSTHAND SEEING WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING ON THE REGULAR AND I HAVE WAY TO TELL YOU THE 400 ACRE FIRE WE HAD HERE THAT COMES TO MIND THE WORD HERO IS OVERUSED AND I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A NEW WORD, HONESTLY. WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING OUT THERE ON THE REGULAR IT'S JUST INSPIRATIONAL. I MEAN, I NEED TO GET A THESAURUS AND EQUITY FIGURE OUT ANOTHER WORD BECAUSE THERE'S A BETTER DESCRIPTION OF WHAT I PHAVE BEEN A WITNESS TO, FIRSTHAND, ALTHOUGH YOU GUYS COMING TOGETHER FROM THE REGION, FROM THE STATE AND ON EVERY FRONT AND EVERY DAY WE CONTINUE TO COMMISSIONER SMITH REGULAR SPORT ANYTHING WE CAN TO CONTINUE SUPPORT THAT CAMARADERIE AND THAT UNITY IN THAT SENSE OF TEAMWORK THAT IS PALPABLE EVERY TIME I GO OUT TO SEE YOU GUYS.

MATT, WE ARE ALL IN AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, JUDGE, IT'S ALL ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND.

>> PLEASE CALL ROLE.

>> COMMISSIONER COHEN, COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, COMMISSIONER SHELL,

[K2. Discussion and possible action to authorize use of funding from the Hays County American Rescue Plan Recovery Grant for the Hays County Mental Health Court Incentive Program regarding recovery assistance for direct or indirect impacts of COVID-19; and to amend the budget accordingly. COHEN]

COMMISSIONER SMITH, JUDGE BECERRA,

>> YES >> DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE THE USE AND FUNDING FROM THE HAYS COUNTY COUNTY AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN

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RECOVERY GRANT FOR THE HAYS COUNTY MENTAL HEALTH COURT INCENTIVE PROGRAM REGARDING RECOVERY ASSISTANCE FOR THE DIRECT OR INDIRECT IMPACT OF COVID 19 AND TO AMEND THE BUDGET FOR THAT.

>> 10,000 FOR THE COURT FOR THEIR MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM. THIS IS JUST OUR WAY OF TRYING TO RECOMMEND TO THE COURT.

>> SO PERFECTLY DONE AND SO GLAD YOU FEEL THIS WAY IT MAKES ALL OF OUR JOBS EASIER.

>> JUDGE, I HAD ASKED AND SAID I WOULD MATCH THAT I WAS ASKED TO HOLD OFF OR JUST A LITTLE BIT. BUT I STILL WANT THOSE FUNDS RESERVED FOR THAT IN THE EVENT THEY DO NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THAT SO JUST TO RECAP COMMISSIONER COHEN HAS DONATED FROM THE ALLOCATION FOR PRESENT TO TO THE MENTAL HEALTH COURT WHICH IS JUDGE BROWN'S COURTROOM AND COMMISSIONER INGALSBE HAS VOLUNTEERED TO SUPPORT THAT WITH AN EQUAL MATCH FROM PRECINCT ONES FUNDS BUT SHE HAS ASKED TO GIVE HER CONTRIBUTION A SHORT PAUSE BUT IT IS AVAILABLE AND IN THE SPIRIT IT'S RIGHT BEHIND COMMISSIONER COHEN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH PLEASE CALL ROLE.

>> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, COMMISSIONER COHEN, COMMISSIONER SHELL.,

[K4. Discussion and possible action to consider granting a variance to Section 10 (D)(1)(C)(1) of the Hays County Rules for On-Site Sewage Facilities and allow issuance of On-Site Sewage System permit to the owner of the property located at 12909 Nutty Brown Road, Austin, TX 78737. SMITH / PACHECO]

COMMISSIONER SMITH, JUDGE BECERRA

>> YES >> DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO CONSIDER GRANTING A VARIANCE TO SECTION 10 D1C1 OF THE HAYS COUNTY RULES FOR THE ON-SITE SEWAGE FACILITIES AND ALLOW THE ISSUANCE OF AN ON-SITE SEWAGE SYSTEM.

TO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 12909 90 BROWN'S ROAD AUSTIN, TEXAS.

>> COMMISSIONER AM GLAD WAY THIS IS WRITTEN IS NOT PERFECT BECAUSE VERY OFTEN PEOPLE ASKING ME WHY I DO THINGS WITH AUSTIN AND I LIKE TO REMIND PEOPLE WITH EVERY TERM THIS.

REMINDER THE WAY THE AGENDA WAS WRITTEN THERE ARE A LOT OF AUSTIN PEOPLE WHO CALL HAYS COUNTY HOME. WHAT'S THE VARIANCE, COMMISSIONER.

>> FOR LOT SIZE AND THEY CAN EXPLAIN IT BUT AT CLOSING THEY REALIZED IT DIDN'T MEET THE STANDARDS BECAUSE IT WAS A ONE ACRE LOT AND .10 ACRES WERE ATTENTIVE AND ACRE, I BELIEVE WAS ACTUALLY USED BY THE COUNTY OR RIGHT-OF-WAY. AND SO, THE COUNTY MORE OR LESS MADE THEM NONCOMPLIANT WITH THE RULES FOR USING THEIR LOT AS RIGHT-OF-WAY.

AND SO, I JUST WE ARE THE ONES WHO MADE THE PROBLEM I THINK IT'S OUR JOB TO FIX IT.

ISN'T THAT A FAIR RECAP?

>> I WILL PROVIDE MORE DETAIL THERE, COMMISSIONERS. THE OWNERS AND 12909 90 BROWN ROAD PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY I WANT TO SAY LAST YEAR. SOMETHING HAPPENED WHERE EITHER LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS OR SOMETHING DIDN'T LINE UP WITH THE CLOSING OF THE PROPERTY HOWEVER AS COMMISSIONER SMITH ALLUDED TO THE COURT THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ALONG 90 BROWN ROAD THAT THE COUNTY BACK IN 2005 HAD EITHER CLAIMED THROUGH EMINENT DOMAIN OR WE PUT CLAIMED TO THAT RIGHT AWAY FOR THE USE OF ULTIMATELY THE EXPANSION OF 90 BROWN ROAD.

AS RESULT, THERE'S THIS MISS COMMUNICATION ON THEIR RESUME AND THEY HAVE ONE ACRE BUT IN ALL ACTUALITY IT'S 0.9917 TO BE EXACT ACRES IS WHAT THEY LEGALLY OWN.

PRIOR TO THE NEW OWNERS OWNING THE PROPERTY THOSE RESIDENTS THERE HAS BEEN THERE IS BEEN IN EXISTENCE HOWEVER WHEN THE NEW OWNERS PURCHASED THE PROPERTY THEY ASKED MISSION TO BUILD A COMMERCIAL JIM ON THE PROPERTY. THIS IS WHERE IN LINE WITH THE VARIANCE REQUEST BECAUSE OUR SUBJECT ROLES THAT D1C1 HAS A SILLY RULE THAT OUTLINES THAT FOR BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN THE DESCRIPTION NONRESIDENTIAL USE THEM TO HAVE AT LEAST A ONE ACRE LOT SIZE.

AND ALSO A ONE ACRE EQUIVALENT. SO AT .9117 THEY'RE NOT REQUESTING A NEW SEPTIC FOR THEIR COMMERCIAL JIM THEY ARE NOT MEETING THE RULES OF ONE ACRE.

>> PERFECT AND THANK YOU PLEASE CALL ROLE.

>> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, COMMISSIONER COHEN, COMMISSIONER SHELL,

[K5. Discussion and possible action to authorize the Hays County Criminal District Attorney's Office to double-fill the First Assistant Civil District Attorney, slot 0781-001 for a four-week period effective September 1st through September 30, 2023 and amend the budget accordingly. INGALSBE]

COMMISSIONER SMITH, JUDGE BECERRA

>> YES >> K5 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE THE HAYS COUNTY CRIMINAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO DOUBLE FILL THE FIRST ASSISTANCE CIVIL DISTRICT ATTORNEY SLOT 0781-11 001 FOR A FOUR WEEK.

EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30, 20 COMMISSIONER COHEN AND AMEND THE BUDGET

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QUICKLY.

>> MOTION AND SECOND APPROACHED THE PODIUM. THIS IS THE MOMENT,.

>> REVIEWED THE ELECTED PUBLIC ATTORNEY FOR HAYS COUNTY. AS YOU KNOW, MR. MARKET KENNEDY HAS OBSERVED THIS COURT AND THE COUNTY FOR TWO DECADES NOW. AND WILL BE RETIRING AT THE END OF NEXT MONTH. THE TRANSITION AND AS YOU KNOW HAVING FORMALLY BEEN OPPOSITE GENERAL COUNSEL IN MY OFFICE THIS BODY VOTED TO RETURN THE ROLE TO MY OFFICE.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR. SO IF MR. KENNEDY'S RETIREMENT LEAVES ME WITH A PROBLEM WHICH IS HOW DO YOU REPLACE SOMEONE THAT'S BEEN THERE 20 YEARS? AND THE ANSWER IS BY APPOINTING JORDAN POWELL THE NEW CIVIL FIRST ASSISTANT IN THE CRIMINAL DISTRICT ATTORNEYS OFFICE. I WOULD SAY THAT BASICALLY TO MAKE IT A MATTER OF RECORD THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN BUT I DO WANT TO TURN THE QUESTION OF DOUBLE FILLING THE POSITION OVER TO MR. KENNEDY AND MR. HOUSE.

>> THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT NAME THINK BECAUSE HONESTLY WHEN PEOPLE GO TO THIS 20 YEARS FROM NOW THEY WILL CLICK THIS SINGULAR AGENDA ITEM I KNOW YOU SPOKE EARLIER IN THE DAY.

>> HELLO EVERYBODY, MARK KENNEDY.CONGRATULATIONS, TO JORDAN.

THE DOUBLE FILL POLICY AS YOU KNOW ALLOWS US TO FILL UP FOR TWO WEEKS BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED THE ABILITY TO ADVERTISE THIS AND CONDUCT INTERVIEWS AND MAKE SURE WE ARE GETTING RIGHT FOR THE SLOT THAT WOULD BE CREATED MOVING UP INTO THE DOUBLE FILL WE WOULD LIKE SEPTEMBER TO DO THAT. IF WE CAN GET THAT HIGHER DONE THAN THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME CROSSTRAINING WHILE I AM STILL HERE BUT WE HAVE AN EXTRA BODY.

>> MR. KENNEDY, FOR CLARITY AND THE DOUBLE FILL WILL BE FOR YOUR POSITION?

>> CORRECT. WITH KELLY'S ANNOUNCEMENT JORDAN WOULD MOVE UP TO COEXIST IN THE POSITION WITH ME DURING THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER. I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY STARTED WALKING PAST MY DOOR IT'S --.

>> IT'S BEEN LIKE FIVE YEARS FOR ME.

>> MR. KENNEDY, TO DOUBLE CHECK WITH THE PEOPLE FOLLOW ALONG, AS WELL.

THE POSTING WILL BE FOR HER CURRENT POSITION?

>> THE SLOT THAT WOULD OPEN UP WOULD BE AN ATTORNEY SIX SLOT WHICH WE WOULD OF COURSE HIGHER INTO THE SLOT HOPEFULLY AN ATTORNEY SIX OR BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE OF THE PERSON WE ARE HIRING SOMETHING LESS THAN AN ATTORNEY SIX.

>> OKAY, GOTCHA, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? ASK GREAT CHOICE. MR. HIGGINS, REJOICE.

>> THIS IS GOVERNANCE. OKAY, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS HONESTLY, I AM SURPRISED THAT WE DIDN'T OFFER OR REACH FOR MORE TIME CONSIDERING THE COMPLICITY OF THEOFFICE. ABSOLUTELY, FULLY SUPPORT , PLEASE CALL ROLE.

>> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, COMMISSIONER COHEN, COMMISSIONER SHELL, COMMISSIONER SMITH, JUDGE BECERRA.

>> YES. THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATION. AND I'M SORRY PULLED AT THE SAME TIME.IT IS FUN. WE ARE ON SIX NOW. K6.

[K6. Discussion and possible action to create the Hays County Salary Grievance Committee for the remainder of the fiscal year Pursuant to Chapter 152 of the Local Government Code. BECERRA]

>> K-6 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO CREATE A HAYS COUNTY CELERY GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE FISCAL YEAR PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 152 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

>> WE HAVE THE NAMES WE HAVE SOMETHING TO DRAW THEM. WE ALSO HAVE LEGALLY THE OPTION OF DRAWING NAMES.

>> WE COULD DO THAT HAT THING IF THAT'S OKAY WITH EVERYBODY.

>> OPTION THIS IS FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS.

>> WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR. I HAVE TO REMIND MYSELF AND GO BACK AND READ THE STATUTE EVERY YEAR BECAUSE THE TIME IS AND EVERYTHING INVOLVED. THE COURT HAS TWO OPTIONS AND I THINK HISTORICALLY YOU ALL KIND OF TODDLED BACK ANDFORTH JUST DEPENDING .

THIS WHAT WE CALL FOR WHAT I CALL THE ELECTED OFFICIALS OPTION WHICH BY STATUTE IS SIX ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THREE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WERE YOU HAVE THE ALL PUBLIC MEMBER

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OPTION WHICH IS NO ELECTED OFFICIALS ALL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

EITHER WAY THE COUNTY JUDGE PRESIDES OVER THE COMMITTEE BUT AS A NONVOTING MEMBER WITH EITHER OPTION. I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION IS WHICH OPTION THE COURT WANTS TO DO THIS YEAR. LET ME NAME THOSE ELECTED OFFICIALS SO YOU HAVE THEM IN YOUR POCKET. TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

FOR THE ELECTED OFFICIAL OPTION AGAIN THE COUNTY JUDGE WOULD BE THE OFFICER PRESIDED OVER IT BUT A NONVOTING MEMBER. THE ELECTED OFFICIAL. THE ON THE CELERY GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE PER STATUTE VISIT THE SHERIFF, THE COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR,COUNTY TREASURER , COUNTY CLERK, DISTRICT CLERK, AND THE CRIMINAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY.

AND THEN THREE PUBLIC MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. THOSE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHICH IS A LIST THAT THIS GRIEVANCE WAS REFERRED TO EARLIER ARE NAMES OF INDIVIDUALS WERE SERVED ON THE GRAND JURY OVER THE LAST YEAR. THEY HAVE COME PREPARED WITH THOSE NAMES SO EITHER WAY YOU WILL BE PICKING SOME OF THOSE NAMES BUT DEPENDING ON HOW MANY WE NEED TO PICK IT WOULD BE DECIDED BY WHICH ROUTE YOU GUYS WANT TO TAKE THIS YEAR.

WE ALSO HISTORICALLY PICK ALTERNATES SO THAT IN THE EVENT SOMEONE CAN'T SERVE OR DO IT WE HAVE A LIST OF BACKUP NAMES TO GO TO.

>> I GREAT REMINDER OF BUSY I LIKE TO PUT ELECTED IN THE HOT SEAT SO THEY KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE THAT'S MY PREFERENCE.

>> LAST YEAR WE WERE UNABLE TO RECRUIT ENOUGH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

>> MY PREFERENCE IS ELECTIVES.

>> IT'S A LOT OF WORK.

>> I LIKE THE CITIZEN ROUTE MYSELF BECAUSE ELECTIVES ALWAYS AGREE WITH EACH OTHER ON A RACIST. BUT IT IS HARD TO GET THE NUMBER OF CITIZENS WE HAVE RUN INTO THAT PROBLEM EVERY YEAR, UNFORTUNATELY. SO THAT'S MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO DO IT IS JUST TO DRAW ENOUGH NAMES FROM THE CITIZENS TO FILL OUT THE REMAINDER WITH CITIZENS. I'M HOPING THERE'S NO GRIEVANCES.

I WILL MAKE THAT COMMENT.

>> IN THE PAST WITH THE ELECTED ROUTE THE MEMBERS OF THAT COMMITTEE WHO FILED GRIEVANCES.

>> IT DOES MAKE IT A LITTLE AWKWARD BUT LEGALLY THEY CAN VOTE ON THEIR OWN GRIEVANCE.

IT'S A LITTLE AWKWARD AT THE CAMP.

>> I PRESIDED PRESIDED OVER THE CONSTABLE GRIEVANCE AND DID ALL THAT.

PREFERENCE?

>> I'M OKAY WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS JUST BECAUSE OF THE ACCESS I GUESS TO OTHERS.

I WAS JUST GOING TO FOLLOW UP AND HE HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED WELL I WILL GO AHEAD AND SAY THIS BECAUSE WE CHOOSE THIS AND WE ARE REQUIRED TO DOESN'T MEAN WE WILL HAVE A GRIEVANCE.

>> IT'S JUST IN PREPARATION OF THE TIMELINES ARE SO TIGHT IF WE GET A GRIEVANCE THAT IF WE DON'T DO IT IT'S SPECIAL MEETINGS IT'S SUPER COMPLICATED TO TRY TO DO LATER SO IS JUST IN PREPARATION IN CASE WE DO RECEIVE ONE.

>> WE ARE PUTTING ELECTED OFFICIALS HOURS TODAY PEOPLE GO OUT SO WE WOULD HAVE TO THAT COME BACK INTO ANOTHER POSTING.

>> RIGHT, ON THAT TIMELINE, COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, NOTICE THAT GO OUT ON FRIDAY TO EMAIL ELECTED OFFICIALS AS TO GO ON THE PAPER ON SUNDAY WERE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT'S THE TRIGGER THOSE NOTICES ARE THE TRIGGER FOR THE TIMELINE FOR THE GRIEVANCES.

AND I THINK THE TIMELINE WOULD PUT US AT ROUGHLY NEEDING TO HAVE IF WE HAVE ANY GRIEVANCES FILED A CELERY GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 1, WHICH IS A FRIDAY, JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE JUST IN CASE IT GETS THERE. I CONFIRM THE TIMELINES AS THE MOST CONSERVATIVE TIMELINE ASSUMING WE EVEN GET A GRIEVANCE ASSUMING THE GRIEVANCES FILED ON THE DAY THEY RECEIVE THEIR NOTICE. BUT IT'S HYPOTHETICALLY POSSIBLE SO THE MOST CONSERVATIVE TIMELINE JUST IN CASE.

SEPTEMBER 1. >> WE WILL GO ELECTED ROUTE AND PICK THREE AND SIX ALTERNATES, WHAT YOU THINK, SOUND GOOD?

>> PICK AS MANY AS YOU CAN. >> LISTED 12, 20, WOULD YOU SAY?

>> I SAY 20.

>> YOU GET A BOWL OR A HAT.

>> SHE WILL DROP THEM INTO THERE.

>> REMEMBER, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ON THE LIST IN THE PAST AND I FEEL THAT THEY HAVE SERVED.

>> WE WILL BRING THEM A SANDWICH. I WANT TO GIVE THEM TO YOU.

>> IT WAS FUN LAST YEAR TRYING TO LISTEN TO YOU PRONOUNCE ALL THE NAMES.

>> SCOTT ALEXANDER CAMPBELL, JANICE RAMSEY, MATT MURPHY, DEBORAH RICHARDSON, GLEN BRING

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, STACY WIVES, MARK EDWARDS PHILLIPS JUNIOR, CHARLES EDWIN BENEFITS JUNIOR THE FOURTH.

ADRIANA GUERRERO. DANA MCFADDEN. JUSTIN CAN TO.

LORI STEARNS.

>> JUST BECAUSE YOU HEAR YOUR NAME DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE COMING ALTERNATE.

>> ASHLEY MARIE DAYS. BRANDON WILSON. SHELBY ANNETTE SHOCKLEY.

ANDREW CHRISTOPHER MEEK. DANIEL OATES. CHRISTOPHER MORRIS.

GWENDOLYN BALBOA. AND LINDA AROUND OH.

>> JUDGE, A REAL QUICK QUESTION DON'T BELIEVE IT WILL BE THE SAME BUT JUST IN THE EVENT SO JUST THINK THERE IS A GRIEVANCE AND WE DON'T EVEN THAT IS AVAILABLE TO SERVE OR WOULD EVER CANCEL NEXT WEEK WHAT?

>> IN THE EVENT NO THREE OF THE 20 PEOPLE CAN DO IT WE WOULD HAVE TWO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETIN . NOW, WITH THAT SAID IF YOU'RE LIKELY TO PICK MORE WE CAN PICK MORE. THE CLERK'S OFFICE IS THE BEST ONE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU ALL BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT MAKE CONTACT WITH THESE PEOPLE.

IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, JUDGE, I DON'T HAVE YOUR SCHEDULE IN FRONT OF YOU BUT TO REACH OUT IF THAT SEPTEMBER 1 DATE WERE TO HIT SO THE WAY THE STATUTE READS IS IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT WITHIN A 10 DAYS OF THE RECEIPT OF THE GRIEVANCE. SO AGAIN, HYPOTHETICALLY, MOST CONSERVATIVE IF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS GET THEIR NOTICE EMAILED OUT ON FRIDAY HYPOTHETICALLY, ONE COULD FILE A GRIEVANCE ON FRIDAY IS A HANDFUL OF DAYS AND THE WAY THE STATUTE WORKS, WHAT IT IS NOT SUPER HELPFUL IT'S INTENDED DAYS NOT 10 BUSINESS DAYS.

I THINK ON THE 10TH DAY IS ON LABOR DAY WHICH WOULD MAKE US BACKTRACK TO FRIDAY.

>> I WANT TO THROW THIS OUT THERE AGAIN EXPECTING WE DON'T HAVE A GRIEVANCE MAKE SURE MY CALENDAR IS OKAY.

>> SANDWICH FOR THE REVERSE.

>> THAT STATUTE WAS. BUT FOR POLITICAL FIGHTS BETWEEN ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THEY WOULD PAY SOMEONE $10 AND YES OF COURSE IS RIDICULOUS BUT WE HAVE A PROCESS THAT'S BEEN VETTED THERE SHOULD BE SOME UNDERSTANDING THIS YEAR THAT THESE SALARIES ARE ACCEPTABLE.

>> JUDGE, OFF-LINE MAYBE THEY COULD GET TOGETHER SO WHEN ELAINE'S OFFICE DOES CALL THESE INDIVIDUALS MAY BE A DATE AND TIME MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO GO AHEAD.

>> SO WHAT I DO I LIKE TO READ RELATED REITERATE THE MOTIONS. THE ELECTED BODIES VERSION WITH

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THE THREE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

>> SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, COMMISSIONER COHEN, COMMISSIONER SHELL,

[K7. Discussion and possible action to order the County Auditor to perform an audit and issue a report of the fiscal accounts and records for ESD 7 in accordance with Section 775.082 of the Texas Health and Safety Code. SHELL/VILLARREAL-ALONZO]

COMMISSIONER SMITH, JUDGE BECERRA

>> YES >> HE SENT THEM AND THANK YOU JORDAN.

>> CASE SEVEN DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO ORDER THE COUNTY AUDITOR TO PERFORM AN AUDIT AND ISSUE A REPORT FOR THE FISCAL ACCOUNTS AND RECORDS FOR ESD SEVEN IN ACCORDANCE PWITH SECTION 775.082 OF THE TEXAS HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE.

>> THIS IS A STANDARD.

>> JUDGE, THE AUDITOR AND EXPLAIN THIS PROCESS THIS IS THE EVENT ESD DOES NOT COMPLETE THEIR AUDIT. THERE IS A SECTION OF THE STATUTE THAT THEM CAN TURN THE AUTHORITY TO THE COUNTY AUDITOR AS LONG AS THE COMMISSIONERS COURT APPROVES IT.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> WE HAVE RECEIVED AUDITS FROM ALL OF OUR ESD'S EXCEPT FOR ESD SEVEN SO I DID REACH OUT TO THE ESD AND TO COMMISSIONER SHALL AND TO INFORM THEM WERE NEARING THE DEADLINE AND IF THE AUDIT IS NOT PERFORMED AND SUBMITTED TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT BY SEPTEMBER 1 THAN THE TREASURER OF THE ESD WOULD BE REMOVED. SO WE REACH OUT TO GENERAL COUNSEL AND THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE AND THUS THE COMMISSIONERS COURT ORDERED THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE TO PERFORM THE AUDIT. I KNOW HOW TO PERFORM THESE FINANCIAL AUDITS I AM NOT IN MY CAPACITY AS A COUNTY AUDITOR I'M NOT PERFORMING PUBLIC ACCOUNTING DUTIES PERFORMING INTERNAL AUDITING DUTIES. SO, WHEN YOU DO HOLD YOURSELF OUT AS A PUBLIC ACCOUNTANT IF CERTAIN STANDARDS YOU HAVE TO BE AN INDEPENDENT IS ONE OF THEM AS WELL AS HAVING PURE REVIEWS OF YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND SUCH AN OPPOSITE AND I DO NOT BECAUSE I'M NOT A GOVERNMENT ENTITY AND DO NOT HAVE A PRIVATE FIRM. HOWEVER, SPEAKING WITH GENERAL COUNSEL THIS AUDIT THAT WOULD BE ORDERED WOULD BE MORE OF AN INTERNAL TYPE OF AUDIT IT WOULD MIRROR FINANCIAL STATEMENT REVIEWS PERFORM THE SAME TYPE OF FUNCTIONS BESET WERE ON THIS. WANT TO PERFORM THESE ESD AUDITS INTO MAKE THOSE RECORDS FOR PEER REVIEWS. SO THERE IS ALSO SIMULATION WHERE THE ESD WOULD REIMBURSE THE COUNTY FOR THE COST OF THESE AUDITS. OPPOSITE, WE DON'T WANT THIS TO REOCCURRING SITUATION WE PREFERRED THE ESD'S GO OUT AND HIRE THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTING FIRMS AND COMMIT TO PERFORM THESE TYPES OF REVIEWS BUT CONSIDERING THE TIME SITUATION.