[K3. Discussion and possible action to consider the creation of a Justice Court, Precinct 2 Place 2 under Chapter 27 of the Texas Government Code. COHEN]

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. >>JUDGE BECERRA: CUSTOMARY FOR ME TO MOVE THROUGH THE AGENDA IN NOT NECESSARILY THE ORDER THAT WAS PRINTED. K-3.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM TO MOVE THROUGH THEIR DAY.

>>DR. CARDENAS: K-3, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE CONSIDER THE CREATION OF A JUSTICE COURT PRECINCT 2, PLACE 2 UNDER

CHAPTER 27. >> MOTION.

>> SECOND. >>JUDGE BECERRA: LUCY, YOU HAVE

SOME EXPLAINING TO DO. >> AM I LUCY?

>>COMMISSIONER COHEN: THANK YOU, JUDGE.

OVER THE PAST -- YOU KNOW, MOO MY TERM SO FAR, I HAVE BEEN DEDICATED TO TALKING TO EVERY DEPARTMENT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR CHALLENGES ARE AND HOW I CAN HELP.

WITHIN THOSE DISCUSSIONS, ONE OF THOSE WAS WITH JUDGE BETH SMITH.

SHE DISCUSSED TO ME ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF WORKLOAD THAT HAS COME INTO THAT PRECINCT OFFICE. AND SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT SHE HAS. AND FOR ME, I AM ABOUT STRENGTHENING OUR INTERNAL OPERATIONS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IF WE HAVE STRONGER INTERNAL OPERATIONS, OUR FORWARD-FACING PUBLIC SSERVICE WILL BENEFIT FRM THAT.

I THINK FROM THE GROWTH OF OUR COUNTY, IT IS PROBABLY TIME TO ADD ANOTHER JUSTICE OF THE PEACE PLACE 2 IN OUR PRECINCT.

AND THE JUDGES ARE HERE TO GIVE SUPPORT FOR THAT.

I WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO COME AND SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS

ITEM. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. START WITH JUDGE BETH SMITH.

IF YOU APPROACH THE PODIUM AND, OF COURSE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE VIEWING PUBLIC MAY NOT BE AWARE OF, BUT JUDGE BETH SMITH HAS BEEN WITH US FOR DECADES DOING A MAGNIFICENT JOB.

HAVE YOU NOT? >> 25.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: DOING A MAGNIFICENT JOB AND OUR JUSTICE OF THE PEACE IN ONE OF THE FASTEST-GROWING SEGMENTS OF THE COUNTY. JUDGE SMITH, NO SURPRISE YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS.

NO SURPRISE TO ME THAT YOU HAVE COMMISSIONER COHEN BRINGING THIS

TO COURT FOR YOU. >> I WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER COHEN FOR DOING SO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND I WANT. I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T HAVE OUR STAFF TO KEEP OUR COURT RUNNING SMOOTHLY AND ALL THE CASES RUNNING AND MY FORMER JPS WHO ARE COVERING.

IF I GO OUT OF TOWN FOR TWO DAYS, THEY KNOW THEY WILL HAVE AN INQUEST OR INVESTIGATION. THERE IS NOT A DOUBT.

WHEN I TOOK OFFICE -- I DIDN'T WRITE ANYTHING.

I DIDN'T HAVE TIME. THERE WERE MAYBE 3,000 PEOPLE IN MY PRECINCT. WE HAVE GROWN TO -- THE CITY OF KYLE HAS 353,000 PEOPLE IN IT NOW.

AND I UNDERSTAND FROM MAYOR MITCHELL, THEY ANTICIPATE 75,000 PEOPLE IN DOCTOR I GUESS THE NEXT THREE YEARS.

I KNOW THEY HAVE PERMITS NOW FOR OVER 21,000 HOMES TO BE GOING UP

IN MY PRECINCT. >>JUDGE BECERRA: I ALREADY COUNT THEM AT 60,000 JUST SO YOU KNOW. YOU ARE ON TASK.

>> I HAVE CASES IN THE COUNTY. THAT IS FINE.

COURT RUNS SMOOTHLY. WE ARE KEPT UP ON COURT.

I HAD TO SHOW MY CLERKS -- I PREFER TO DO MY FELLY AND MISDEMEANOR WARRANTS PERSONALLY AND ALL MY INQUESTS THAT I FINALLY SHOWED THEM HOW TO GET TO THE INQUEST PORTION OF THE PROGRAM TO LET THEM GIVE OUT INFORMATION ON -- TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, TO FAMILIES THAT CALL ON AUTOPSIES.

BECAUSE IT WOULD JUST GET TO BE TOO MUCH.

WHEN I SAY A THIRD OF THE CASES, I AM MOSTLY TALKING OF THE INQ INQUESTS THAT I HAD 137 LAST YEAR AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW -- I THINK THE NEXT JP MAYBE HAD 70.

AND IS THE EAST AMOUNT OF JP HAD WAS IN THE 20S IF THAT MANY.

WE DO NOT HAVE ANY JP SERVICES. I WANT -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY SERVICES ANY LOCATION EAST AT ALL.

NOT A JP EAST. AS EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT JUDGE

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PRADA WAS PUT EAST. AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAD AN OFFICE IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SOLELY FOR MAGISTRATE PURPOSES AND HANDLE CIVIL CASES OR ANYTHING THAT WENT HER WAY AND SHE DID MANAGE STATION AND A FEW CIVIL CASES.

I BELIEVE YOU ALL HAVE THE PIE CHARTS THAT MY CLERK HANDLED FOR ME AND GOT TOGETHER FROM THE LAST TEN YEARS FIVE YEARS, 2012, 2017 AND 2022 THAT SHOW THE PERCENTAGES OF CASES.

THE ONLY ONE THAT LOOKS A LITTLE OFF IS THE CIVIL CASES AND JP -- ONE OF THE JP 1, TWO OFFICES. THE CIVIL OFFICES WERE HOT CHECKS AND THAT'S WHAT THOSE WERE AND OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE THOSE ANYMORE, BUT I THINK IT IS TIME TO HAVE SOME SERVICES.

AND I DON'T WANT TO EVEN STOP IT AT JP.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE COUNTY CLERK SUBSTATION.

WE GOT TO BE THE BUSIEST OFFICE IN HAYS COUNTY.

AND NOT UNMANAGEABLE, BUT I FEEL GUILTY WHEN I GO OUT OF TOWN OR DO ANYTHING OR HAVE -- FOR JUDGE BRYANT.

FOR WHEN -- WHEN I TAKE -- WHEN I AM A WEBINAR FOR AN HOUR.

I MESSAGE HER AND SAY I AM ON A WEBINAR.

WILL YOU PLEASE COVER FOR ME. EVERYTHING I DO.

I TEXT HER AND SHE HAS -- SHE COVERS I KNOW IT IS TOUGH ON HER AS WELL BECAUSE PRECINCT 5 IS THE NEXT FASTEST GROWING UP PRECINCT AND MAINLY JUST EAST. I HAVE FOLKS FROM.

EVEN -- CLOSE TO SAN MARCOS FOR EVICTIONS.

I HAVE AN EVICTION DOCKET WITH 15, 20 CASES EVERY TUESDAY.

THAT'S WHY I DID ASK IF WE COULD GO A LITTLE EARLY BECAUSE OF THAT. EARLIER THAN WE HAD PLANNED IN THE AGENDA. AND JUST EVERYTHING IS GETTING LONGER AND LONGER AND LONGER. AND IT IS NOT THAT I CAN'T DO IT. JUST THAT IT WILL BE AWFULLY NIGHT TO HAVE THE SERVICES EAST FOR THE CONSTITUENTS IN HAYS

COUNTY. >>JUDGE BECERRA: JUDGE, I WANT TO YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE ACTIVELY WORK ON CREATING AN EAST -- EAST HAYS COUNTY CAMPUS IS A GOOD WORD TO DESCRIBE IT AND THANK WILL ENCAPSULATE AND GO ALONG PERFECTLY WHAT YOU ARE CONVEYING AND THE IDEA MAYBE TOO SOON TO BE TELLING IN PUBLIC, BUT BASICALLY ANOTHER GOVERNMENT CENTER TO SERVE THAT GROWER PART OF THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THERE IS TOO MUCH HAPPENING AND PEOPLE SHOULDN'T DRIVE TWO HOURS TO COME SEE JUDGE JUDGE PREVALO.

IF SOMEONE IS IN DRIPPING SPRINGS, THAT IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN. NOT THAT HE WILL SEE THE JUDGE FROM DRIPPING SPRINGS, BUT DO WORK OF ANY OFFICE IN THE GOVERNMENT CENTER IT HAS BECOME -- BECAUSE OF OUR GROWTH, IT HAS BECOME LESS CONVENIENT THAN WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE.

AND EAST CAMPUS WITH ALL THE THINGS THAT THAT PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND ENTIRE SECTION OF OUR COUNTY DESERVES IS ABSOLUTELY RIPE FOR THE PICKING. MOST DEFINITELY WELL ARTICULATED. I KNOW FOR MANY YEARS THE LOAD YOU CARRY AND SOME LITTLE DETAIL THAT FOLKS SDOENT /* SDOENT DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I NEVER KNEW. IF THE JPS ARE BUSY, IF THERE IS AN INQUEST, I HAPPEN TO BE THE NEXT IN LINE.

I AM SO GRATEFUL THAT JUDGE CARRIE GAVE ME SOME TRAINING IN THAT SPACE. I NEVER NEED IT BECAUSE YOU JP HAVE DONE A MAGNIFICENT JOB, I NEVER HAD TO.

AN APPEAL FROM THE JP COURT, IT COMES TO ME.

I HAVEN'T HAD TO DO ANYTHING IN THAT SPACE EITHER BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE DONE SUCH A MAGNIFICENT JOB.

WHATEVER WE NEED TO SUPPORT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE AFTER, IT IS MOST HONESTLY OVERDUE. AND THE MOST POWERFUL THING YOU CAN DO THROUGH MY LENS IS PROVIDE THE FACTS THAT YOU CAN.

AND HOW AND AND I THINK THAT SPEAKS VOLUME.

COMMISSIONER, I AM SORRY. >> I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OF WHAT IS NEEDED. I -- I TOLD MY COMMISSIONER FOUR YEARS AGO THAT WHEN IT TURNED INTO A TRAUMA CENTER, IT IS THE NEW BLACK. SO WE ARE GETTING INQUESTS FROM THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND TRYING TO PRESS UPON AND WE NEED ANOTHER JP. WE NEED ANOTHER JP.

SOME OF THE INQUESTS TAKE TWO HOURS.

SOME OF THEM LIKE LAST NIGHT -- I WAS GONE FOUR HOURS.

AND THEN THE FILING PAPERWORK IS ANOTHER COUPLE OF HOURS IN THE

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OFFICE AS IS GOES ON. OVER TIME.

NOT WHEN YOU GO BACK IN THE OFFICE BUT STARTS THEN UNTIL YOU GET THE AUTOPSY BACK AND DO THE FINAL DETERMINATION.

SO I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE HOW LONG ONE INQUEST CAN TAKE.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: JUST FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC, BREAK.

BREAKENRIDGE, IN CENTRAL AUSTIN THAT WE HAVE BECOME A TRAUMA II CENTER. TWO OTHER JUDGES.

I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, STATE YOUR NAME AND TITLE FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC AND I WANT TO GIVE OUR GENERAL COUNSEL HIS DEBUT AND TELL US

HIS OPINION FOR A ROAD MAP. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE BECERRA AND COMMISSIONERS AND THE VIEWING OUR YENS.

MY NAME IS DAN DRA BRYANT. JUSTICE OF THE PEACE DISTRICT 5 IN BUDA. I COME BEFORE YOU FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER K-3. THE CREATION OF A JP PRECINCT 2.2. AS WE KNOW THE CENTER IS 2 TAMPA 1. I OFTEN HEAR THAT HAYS COUNTY IS THE FASTEST-GROWING COUNTY IN THE UNITED STATES.

ACCORDING THE DATA FROM THE WORLD POPULATION REVIEW.COM, HAYS -- KYLE IN PARTICULAR IS AT 64,339 IN POPULATION.

JUST LAST YEAR IN 2022, THEY ARE AT 57,700.

AND I AM GOING TO SKIP A FEW YEARS AND 2019, THEY ARE AT 43,900. 2010, 28,000 -- NOT HUNDRED, THOUSAND IS WHAT I AM SPEAKING OF.

SAN MARCOS AT 70,372. I AM NOT SURE WHEN THEY -- WHEN THEY CHANGED TO TWO JPS. NOTABLY IMPORTANT OF THE POPULATION AMOUNT. WE KNOW IS THAT THE JUSTICE OF THE PEACE IS THE CLOSEST TO THE PEOPLE.

AND THAT'S WHY IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE -- THE EAST SIDE HAVE EQUAL REPRESENTATION AND SAME SERVICES THROUGH THE COUNTY. THIS IS WHY I AM STANDING BEFORE YOU TODAY TO EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF CREATING A JP 2.2.

AND AS JUDGE BETH SMITH SAYS, WE ALL COVER FOR EACH OTHER AS JUSTICES OF THE PEACE. ; HOWEVER, WHEN I -- WHEN SHE IS OUT, I DO COVER FOR HER. AND AS A JP OF SEVEN MONTHS, SO FAR I HAD 30 INQUESTS. A AND THAT'S A LOT FROM LAST YEAR THAT I HAVE SEEN LOOKING AT THE RECORDS AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF MAKING CERTAIN THAT WE DO HAVE THE TIME TO DO THAT.

DO THE JOB AND DO IT WELL AND SERVE ALL THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. I AM ASKING YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO LOOK INTO -- LOOK INTO CREATING, EXCUSE KNEE, A JUSTICE OF THE PEACE 2.2 TO MAKE SURE THE EAST SIDE IS REPRESENTED. THANK YOU.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, JUDGE CABLE, ANY COMMENTS? I DO TOO. NOW PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND

TELL IT FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC. >> I AM TUCKER FURLOUGH.

BEFORE I DIVE INTO THAT FOR MY FIRST MEETING.

I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOU AND THE COMMISSIONERS AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL. WITH MY COLLEAGUE, HOPEFULLY I WILL HALFWAY FILL THE SHOES OF MARK KENNEDY WHO HAS BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME. FOLLOWING THE ROAD MAP, THE CONSTITUTION AND RELEVANT STATUTES THAT DO ALLOW YOU FOR THE PEOPLE HERE IN HAYS COUNTY TO ALLOW FOR THE PRECINCT BOUNDARIES TO BE CHANGED SHOULD YOU CHOOSE.

HOWEVER, I WILL LET THE CACHE COURT KNOW THERE ARE TIMES WHEN CONSTABLE, OR A JUDGE IF THEY ARE RESIDING IN THE NEW BOUNDARIES THAT ARE CREATED MIGHT HAVE TO RUN FOR ELECTION IN THE NEWLY CREATED PRECINCT, SAME WITH CONSTABLE.

THERE ARE CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS THAT APPLY FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN TENURED LONG ENOUGH HERE, BUT NONETHELESS, YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO IF YOU CHOOSE.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: WHY JUST TO RECAP WHAT YOU SAID.

WE WOULD DRAW OUT A -- HERE IS THE COMPLEX PART I WILL WALK THE VIEWING PUBLIC THROUGH. WE HAVE FOUR COUNTY PRECINCTS.

THE COUNTY IS CUT INTO QUADRANTS THAT EACH COMMISSIONER REPRESENTS APPROXIMATELY BY POPULATION.

A POPULATION DRIVEN. NOT A MILES DRIVEN NUMBER.

AND THEN THERE ARE CONSTABLES AND JUSTICES OF THE PEACE PRECINCTS, AND THEY CAN ALL MOVE INDEPENDENTLY.

SO THE IDEA IS, WE WOULD THEORETICALLY AS WE MOVE FORWARD CARVE OUT A PRECINCT 2-1. CONSTABLE PRECINCT 2.1.

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APPOINT SOMEONE, AND AT THE NEXT CYCLE, HAVE THEM RUN FOR OFFICE,

WHOEVER THAT MAY BE. >> CORRECT.

SO THAT THE ELECTION CODE SAYS THAT THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION.

IF THERE IS A NEWLY CREATED JP 2 IN THAT PRECINCT, NOT A CARVED-OUT SECTION FOR EACH JUSTICE.

THEY WILL SHARE. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK BECAUSE THE JPS, 1.1 AND 1.2. THEY REPRESENT THE SAME AREA AND THEY SHARE THOSE DUTIES IN THAT GEOGRAPHICAL AREA.

THIS IS WHAT THAT WILL DO ALSO. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THEY WORK WELL.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: THEY DO.

I WANTED THE CLARIFICATION ON THAT.

WHEN WE SAY "REPRESENT ON THE EAST SIDE" I THINK WE ARE MORE TALKING OF A FACILITY THAT WE CAN HOUSE SERVICES, NOT JUST THAT THIS JP WILL SERVE JUST AS THE EAST SIDE HE OR SHE WILL HAVE PRESENCE ON THE EAST SIDE WITH A FACILITY, COUNTY-OWNED FACILITY TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SERVICES WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND IT IS GREAT.

I AM GLAD WE ARE PICKING UP THE CONVERSATION WITH THIS, AGAIN, REGARDING PROPERTY COMMISSIONER COHEN AND I WENT AND VIEWED SOME PROPERTIES. WE HAD A SHORT LIST FROM GENERAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE. AND SLOW FROM MOVING AND WE NEED TO PICK THAT UP, COMMISSIONER, TO SEE WHAT WE CAN FIND ON THE EAST SIDE THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE IN THE

NEAR FUTURE HOPEFULLY. >> WHEN PEOPLE FILE EVICTIONS THEY HAVE TO FILE -- WE HAVE SOLE JURISDICTION.

THEY HAVE TO FILE IN THE PRECINCT THE PROPERTY THEY ARE EVICTING SOMEONE FROM. NOT JUST KYLE THAT I SERVE, I SERVE SURROUNDING AREAS. I HAVE ALL FOUR COMMISSIONERS, I THINK, ALMOST. IN MY JP PRECINCT.

SOME IT DOES -- AND NOT LIKE I AM OUT OF TOWN A LOT FOR THE LAST 27 YEARS I HAVE GONE OUT THREE TIMES FOR THREE DAYS HAND THIS YEAR A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND I DID ACTUALLY -- I WAS OUT FOR TEN DAYS AT ONE TIME. AND I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO HAVE A HEART ATTACK BEING OUT THAT LONG.

IT NEVER DAWNED TO ME I COULD BE OUT THAT LONG AND EVERYTHING WILL BE TAKE TON CARE OF, AND IT WAS, AND I DON'T APPRECIATE THAT

ENOUGH. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU,

COMMISSIONER SHELL. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: THANKS, JUDGE. JUST A FEW QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO START OFF WITH, THIS IS NOT A NEW PROBLEM.

ONGOING FOR A WHILE AND I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE JPS.

THEY WORK VERY WELL AND IT REALLY IMPRESSED ME EVEN WHEN WE GET NEW JPS. EVERYBODY WORKS TOGETHER TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS AND COVER FOR EACH OTHER AND THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR A VERY LONG TIME GOING BACK DO DOING MAGISTRATION. SAME THING.

SOMEONE HAD TO BE OUT YOU HAVE TOWN AND SOMEONE WOULD STEP UP AND HELP. AND THE SAME THING WITH INQUESTS. I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THEM BECAUSE I THINK THAT THEY HAVE COVERED FOR YEARS FOR THIS EXTREME POPULATION GROWTH ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

THAT IS REALLY CAUSE INING THIS HOSPITAL AND THE I-35 AND PRECINCTS 1, 2 AND 5 THAT ARE REALLY TAKING ON THE BRUNT OF THAT CORRIDOR. OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF GROWTH IN 3 AND 4 AS FAR AS WE KNOW AND JUDGE CABLE KOFRLS FOR JUDGES IN THE CORRIDOR AREA AND THEY COVER WHEN THEY NEED IT.

IT WORKED WELL IN THAT WAY. AS THE EAST SIDE IS MENTIONED, I WANT CHA CLARIFY THAT AS WELL. THE COURT'S INTENTION FOR REPRESENTATION FOR THE EAST SIDE THIS IS PROBABLY NOT WHAT THE COURT WOULD DO. YOU WOULD CREATE A PRECINCT ON THE EAST SIDE BECAUSE IF THE COURT CREATES TO -- TO JP 2.

PLACE 2. NO GUARANTEE THE INDIVIDUAL THAT IS ELECTED OUT OF OFFICE IS GOING TO BE A RESIDENT OF THE EAST SIDE. THEY CAN BE OUT ON 150, ALMOST ANY CITY STORE COULD BE A RESIDENT ELECTED TO PRECINCT 2, PLACE 2. I WANT THE PUBLIC AND THE COURT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE INDIVIDUAL -- IT COULD VERY WELL BE BUT NOT THAT IT WILL BE.

AND ALSO UNDERSTANDS THAT INQUEST IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE DRIVING FACTORS OF THIS. THERE IS JUST MORE THAN INQUESTS BUT I ASSUME BECAUSE TO TIME CONSUMING AND IRREGULAR.

THAT IS A HUGE LOAD THAT IS PUT ON OUR JPS ACROSS THE COUNTY.

THE CORRIDOR BRINGS ITS OWN CHALLENGES AND SOMETHING I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS WITH THE JP'S OFFICE WHAT THAT

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MEANS AVAILABLE FOR INQUEST ANY TIME SOMEONE DIES OR KILLED OUT THERE. OUR JPS ARE CALLED NO MATTER WHAT THEY -- NO MATTER WHAT TIME, WHEREVER THEY ARE.

I KNOW THAT IS A HUGE PART OF THIS IN THE 100-PLUS IS OVERWH OVERWHELMING NO DOUBT.

JUDGE SMITH HAS TAKE THAT ON. I HAVE A QUESTION.

I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THE WORLD OF THIS, BUT JUDGE IS LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS.

A MEDICAL EXAMINER, WHAT -- HOW DOES THAT WORK AND WHAT POINT IN TIME WILL THAT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE COUNTY TO CONSIDER.

>> I THINK ANY TIME WILL BE APPROPRIATE FOR A MEDICAL INVESTIGATOR. AS FAR AS A MEDICAL EXAMINER, I KNOW THAT WHEN THEY BUILT THE NEWEST BUILDING IN TRAVIS COUNTY WHERE WE SEND OUR AUTOPSIES. THEIR MEDICAL INVESTIGATORS GO OUT -- JUDGE CABLE PROBABLY KNOWS MORE THAN I DO.

I WANT TO SAY THAT THE POPULATION IS HALF A MILLION.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: I CAN HELP ANSWER THAT TOO, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONER. BECAUSE I LOOKED THAT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER PIECE AS WELL. A CONVERSATION, THE JPS WAS TALKING OF COVID, BODY BAGS AND ALL THE SAD THINGS THAT PEOPLE KNEW WE TALKED ABOUT. AND THE MEDICAL EXAMINER -- IT IS EXACTLY -- POPULATION DRIVEN THING THAT TRIGGERS THE NEED OR DEMAND FOR IT. DO IT SOONER.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: SOMETHING A LITTLE AHEAD OF US STILL FOR A MEDICAL EXAMINER AND FOR THE COURT TO KEEP IN MIND AND THE JUDGES AS WELL AS THEY FACE THE CHALLENGES, THE GROWTH OF THE CORRIDOR AND THE EMERGENCY ACTIVITIES OF SEDON AT THIS

POINT. >> I DIDN'T SUGGEST THAT MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE FUNDING. PROBABLY A $40 MILLION ENDEAVOR.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: LONG TERM A LARGE OFFICE AND COMPLICATED OFFICE AND REQUIRES A GREAT INVESTMENT.

THE OTHER ISSUE WITH THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT THIS THIS IS A GOOD TIME BECAUSE START BUDGET DISCUSSIONS TODAY, I GUESS.

IT IS A GOOD TIME TO CONSIDER THIS.

AND JUST THE THOUGHT THAT GOES INTO THAT.

I AM NOT PROPOSING A JP PRECINCT.

A CONSTABLE AND TWO OFFICES AND GREATER IN COST THAN CREATING AN ACTUALLY PLACE WITHIN AN EXISTING PRECINCT.

WHAT ARE WE EXPECTING THE COST TO BE? I AM ASSUMING THAT DEPENDS ON HOW IT OPERATES.

TALK OF A FACILITY AND OFFICE IF THE IDEA IS TO SERVE THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE CORRIDOR. I AM ASSUMING WE WILL NEED A LOCATION AND NOT A PERMANENT LOCATION AND SOMETHING LEASED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME BUT I AM ASSUMING THAT THE IDEA IS NOT JUST TO PUT A JP IN YOUR OFFICE. IF WE WANT TO GET ON THE OTHER SIDE WE WOULD LOOK TO THAT. MY QUESTION IS TWO FOLD.

ONE IS HOW DO WE TEND TO OPERATE -- IF THIS WAS TO BE APPROVED.

OPERATED IN THE NEAR TERM, MIDTERM AND LONG-TERM GOALS WITH FACILITY COUPLED WITH OTHER COUNTY OFFICES AND WHAT THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE. THE PLACE 2 JUSTICE OPERATE WITHIN YOUR OFFICE AND WILL THAT REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF MEMBERS. REQUIRE CLERKS, CONSTABLE DEPUTIES AND, ETC. IN THE MIDTERM AND LEASED SPACE SOMEWHERE. WHAT DOES THAT REQUIRE? IS THAT THEN CREATING AN ADDITIONAL JP OFFICE AT THAT POINT. HOW FAR MANY CLERKS OR COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. A DEPUTY CONSTABLE.

TWO DEPUTY CONSTABLES OR SHIFTING DEPUTY CONSTABLES FROM EXISTING LOCATIONS IN NEW OFFICES, ETC.

IF YOU CAN TELL WHAT I AM ASKING.

>> YES. MY THOUGHTS ON THAT ARE THAT AN OFFICE WILL -- THE PURPOSE OF A JP IS LOCATION.

DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY CASES YOU HAVE OR WHATEVER, THE PURPOSE IS LOCATION TO MAKE IT CONVENIENT FOR THE CONVENIENCE FOR THE CITIZEN. ANY CONSTABLE -- I FORGOT TO MENTION THIS -- IS TOTALLY ON BOARD AND NEEDS ONE MORE DEPUTY.

MAYBE HE CAN DO IT WITH THE DEPUTIES THAT HE HAS.

THE JP WILL NEED -- ABSOLUTELY NEE A CLERK.

A CHIEF CLERK IN THE LOCATION TO BEGIN WITH.

MY COURT ROOM IS TOTALLY AVAILABLE OF TO -- FOR THAT PERSON TO HAVE JURY TRIALS OR TRIALS OR WHATEVER.

SOME THAT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM SO RIGHT NOW A MAT HER OF A

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OFFICE SPACE JP AND A CLERK. YOU HAVE TO HAVE HAVE A CLERK AND OTHER THAN THAT, THEY WILL NEED HOUSING FOR ONE CONSTABLE

OVER THERE. >> AND WOULD BE -- HOW DO YOU PERCEIVE CASES TO BE FILED? WILL IT BE SOLELY UP TO THE

CITIZEN TO. >> THAT'S WHAT THEY DO JP 1.1 AND JP 2.2. THEY GO IN AND CHOOSE THE WINDOW. AND THAT -- I AM THINKING NOW, IF THERE WAS A JP THAT SURVEYS THE LOCATION -- WHATEVER LOCATION WAS CLOSER OR WHATEVER WAS MORE CONVENIENT FOR THEM.

OR IF THEY CHOSE TO FILE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE CHOOSES TO FILE

IT IN THE OFFICE. >> SO THEN THE NEAR TERM WOULD BE SHARING THE EXISTING PRECINCT OFF

OFFICE? >> K34IGSER SHELL, IN OUR CONVERSATIONS, WE THOUGHT WE COULD LEASE AN OFFICE SPACE ON THE EAST SPIED, WORKING WITH TAMMY CRUMLEY.

HOPING THAT SHE COULD SEEK OUT SOME OFFICE SPACE ON THE EAST SIDE AND JUDGES WILL SHARE THE COURT AND SCHEDULE ACCORDINGLY TO THEIR SCHEDULES AND FOR THE -- IF WE WERE TO VOTE AND APPROVE THIS POSITION AND GET SOMEONE APPOINTED TO IT, THAT WILL BE THE IMMEDIATE SOLUTION IS TO TRY TO FIND THEM A SPACE SO THEY CAN ALSO DO THAT WORK AND SHARE THE JUDGES' COURT UNTIL WE DECIDE AS BODY WHAT OUR PLANS ARE FOR ANOTHER PRECINCT

TO OR A CAMPUS ON THE EAST SIDE. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: OKAY, SO A LOCATION AND ON THE EAST SIDE A STOREFRONT.

>>COMMISSIONER COHEN: CORRECT. >> TWO CLERKS TO PUT -- AT LEAST THE CHIEF CLERK. BECAUSE I COULDN'T PUT IT ON MY CHIEF CLERK DOING TWO MONTHLY REPORTS.

ONE FOR EACH JP. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: LET'S JUST ASSUME IT IS A LOCATION THAT LIKELY WON'T HAVE A COURT ROOM

BUT WILL HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: AND THE J.P. THEIR WILL BE THEIR NORMAL OFFICE WHERE TWO CLERKS CLERKS, MORE LIKELY A APPLICANT CONSTABLE DEPUTY THAT NEEDS TO BE ASSIGNED AT ALL TIMES.

A QUESTION FOR CON TO FOR RE TO ASSIGN SOMEONE OR REQUEST FOR THE CREATION OF A NEW DEPUTY POSITION.

>> I TONIGHT KNOW. THEY ARE STILL SERVING -- THEY WILL STILL BE SERVING THE SAME AMOUNT OF A PAPERS.

CASES WOULDN'T GROW. THEY WOULD BE SPLIT.

I DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT THAT HE WOULD ASK FOR ANOTHER DEPUTY

CONSTABLE. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: NEEDED TO BE PROCEEDINGS HELD IN THE COURT ROOM, SCHEDULED TO THE PRECINCT

2 COURTS ROOM. >> ABSOLUTELY.

A LOT OF PEOPLE. I KNOW THE MISCONCEPTION.

WE ARE RARELY IN THE COURT ROOM. I AM IN THERE TWO DAY AS WEEK, MAYBE THREE. MY CLERK IS SCHEDULED SO WELL THAT MY DOCKET IS EMPTY A COUPLE OF DAYS A WEEK.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: GOOD. COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

I KNOW THAT -- THIS MAY BE GETTING DOWN IN THE WEEDS AND I THINK IT ADDRESSES SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP.

YOU KNOW, WE PUSHED THE DISTRICT COURTS AND COURTS OF LAW ON THEIR DOCKET ASSIGNMENT AND ROTATION.

A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THEY ADOPTED A NEW POLICY TO DO THAT WONDER IF WE ESTABLISH THIS AND THE OFFICE POLICY, I WOULD THINK. IF SOMETHING WAS -- SOMEONE FILED ON ONE SIDE OF 35 AND THE OTHER SIDE OF 35, IF YOU COULD -- AS THEY COME IN, YOU CAN ASSIGN THEM OR COULD ASSIGN THEM TO ONE PLACE OR THE OTHER FOR CONVENIENCE SAKE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DO THAT OR NOT.

DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER FOR THAT? >> I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO

THAT. >>JUDGE BECERRA: I AGREE.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: YOU CAN TOGGLE THOSE -- THOSE LITIGANTS BACK AND FORTH AS TO WHERE IT WAS MOST CONVENIENT FOR THEM AS OPPOSED TO, OKAY, YOU CAME IN AND HERE IS THE WINDOW YOU WENT

TO IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> WE CAN MAKE A SUGGESTION, BUT FOR SOMEBODY TO GO TO -- I WILL JUST SAY THIS.

IF SOMEBODY GOES TO JUDGE BRYANT COURT AND ONE OF HER CLERKS SAYS THAT NEEDS TO BE FILED SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THAT IS GIVING LEGAL ADVICE. AND WE CAN'T DO THAT.

BUT WE CAN MAKE A SUGGESTION. THERE IS A COURT OVER THIS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO USE THEIR COURT.

BECAUSE SMALL CAN BE FILED ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY.

EVICTIONS ARE THE ONLY THING WITH SOLE VERIFICATION.

ONE THING WE WILL SUGGEST. PEOPLE WILL START GETTING USED TO HAVING ANOTHER JP AT A MORE CONVENIENT LOCATION.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: MY BIGGEST CONCERN 85% OF THE PEOPLE IN

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PRECINCT 2 KNOW BETH SMITH. THEY WILL ALL GO TO YOUR COURT ANYWAY. I SAY SOMEWHAT JOKINGLY.

BUT PREREDISTRICTING, I HAD ALL THE JPS IN MY PRECINCT.

AND NOW I HAVE CUT DOWN TO ONLY -- I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY OF PRECINCT 1 LEFT OF THE JPS. MAY HAVE A SMALL SLIVER OF IT BUT I CAN TELL YOU I SPOKEN TO ALL THE JPS INCLUDING JUDGE BURNS. AND ALL VERY SUPPORTIVE.

>> I KNOW IT IS A MUCH -- MORE EXPENSIVE AND ARDUOUS PROCESS.

IF WE TRULY DO WANT A PRECINCTS THAT SHOWS REPRESENTATION ON THE EAST SIDE, TRULY A EAST SIDE PRECINCT AND I MENTIONED THAT DURING REDISTRICTING. IMPORTANT HAVING A PRECINCT.

ADDING A PRECINCT AT THAT POINT AND DRAWING AND DELINEATING IT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE EAST SIDE. I THINK WE ARE AT A POINT IF WE WANT TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM IN A TIMELY MANNER AND WE REAL DEE DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION THAT IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE.

THAT IS MY VIEW. I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE BECAUSE I NKNOW I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE JP. HOW FAR COVERAGE -- I KNOW IT IS TOUGH ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW FACILITIES ON THE CORRIDOR.

I JUST THINK THAT WE. A LITTLE RETICENT ON RESOLUTION TODAY BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF LOGISTICS TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS. I AM SUPPORTIVE.

AND IF WE VOTE ON IT TODAY, I AM PROBABLY GOING TO SUPPORT IT BUT A LOT OF QUESTIONS OF HOW IT IS GOING TO WORK.

BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL BE VERY CONFUSING PERSONALLY HAVE SOMEBODY GO TO A STOREFRONT ON THE EAST SIDE, WHEN YOU SHOW UP FOR COURT, GO ACROSS 35 IN THREE WEEKS OR TWO MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS, WHATEVER IT IS HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO SHOW UP FOR COURT NOW. AND YOU ARE ALL IN THE SAME OFFICE AT TIMES. I AM NOT SURE THAT IS PROVIDING THE SERVICES FOR THE PEOPLE ON THE EAST SIDE.

IT WILL BE CONFUSING. SET UP SOME TYPE OF -- YOU ARE MORE MAN IN BEING IF WHERE HE CREATE THIS, FOR HAVE THAT -- WHOMEVER THAT IS OFFICE OUT OF YOUR OFFICE OR HOLD COURT IN YOUR OFFICE EVEN A TEMPERATURE SITUATION.

PUT TOGETHER A TEMPORARY COURT ROOM FOR A DISTRICT JUDGE RIGHT NOW IN THE GOVERNMENT CENTER. IF WE CAN MIND SOME FACILITY OVER THERE AT LEAST ON A TEMPORARY BASIS WHERE WE CAN HAVE -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY A MAKESHIFT COURT ROOM, BUT A COURT ROOM THAT MEETS THE PARAMETERS FOR THE OFFICE OF COURT ADMINISTRATION AND WE CAN HAVE A BAILIFF OVER THERE.

I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE THE CITIZENS WITH A ONE-STOP SHOP.

THEY COME IN AND THEY DO EVERYTHING IN THE SAME OFFICE

BECAUSE IT CAN BE KWON FUSING. >> A GOOD POINT.

I THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA JURY TRIALS, THERE IS NO REASON TO NOT KEEP THEM IN THE -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE JURY TRIALS -- SET UP TO HAVE JURY TRIALS, BUT JURY TRIALS, 2007 THAT ANYWAY WHERE WE COULD HAVE -- ALL THE JP 2 JURY TRIALS IN MY COURT ROOM AND EXCHANGE EVENTS WITH THE JUDGE AND HAVE ANOTHER JUDGE COME OVER HERE AND NOT THAT MANY. I MEAN I AM CAUGHT UP, BUT WE ARE NOT BEHIND SHOULD THAT BE NECESSARY BECAUSE WE HAVE A

CITATION FILED IN THAT COURT. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WILL SAY AND TALKING ABOUT CONSTABLE TORREZ'S OFFICE AND I FEEL BAD THAT HE IS NOT HERE BECAUSE PROBABLY QUESTIONS FOR HIM. JUST WITNESSING -- I WATCHED PRECINCT 4, THEIR JP COURT A NUMBER OF TIMES.

IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OFTEN, BUT Y'ALL AS YOU SAT ON THE BENCH, SOMETIMES IT GETS PRETTY HEATED AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

AND KNOWING THAT CONSTABLE OFFICE IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR AND YOU HAVE ONE BAILIFF THERE, BUT IF NEED BE, OTHER CONSTABLES WHO ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DOOR, IT IS VERY HELPFUL THE JUDGES IN THE GOVERNMENT CENTER KNOW THAT MEANING THAT THERE ARE OTHER OFFICERS THERE IF THEY NEED IT.

NOT THAT THEY COULDN'T HANDLE INDIVIDUALLY WHAT CAME UP.

THE REMOTE LOCATION LIKE THAT. THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT BAILIFF MAY NEED BACK HUNDRED UP AT SOME POINT.

HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEBODY TO EITHER -- YOU KNOW, I AM NOT GOING TO SAY HAVE TWO PEOPLE IF YOU WILL-TIME ASSIGNED TO A JULYJP OFFICE. BUT HAVING SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR

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THEM SHOULD A SITUATION PRESENT ITSELF WHERE THINGS GOT OUT OF HAND OR THEY I NEED MOTHER'S DAY THE ASSISTANCE.

SOMEBODY ON THE ORDINARY SIDE OF THE DOOR SOMETHING TO CONSIDER BECAUSE YOU HAD IT HAPPEN IN YOUR COURT ROOMS.

>> EVICTIONS, HE WILL PUT TWO CONSTABLES IN THE COURT ROOM.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: CHIME TUCKER IN ON THIS.

I WILL ENCAPSULATE ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS AND I BELIEVE THE INTEREST IS, EAST SIDE SUPPORT AND MY ORIGINAL THOUGHT PROCESS WHEN I HEARD THE INTEREST IS TO CARVE OUT A EAST SIDE FOOTPRINT. AS COMMISSIONER SHELL STATED, THE PERSON WHO FILLS THAT SEAT COMES FROM HAYS COUNTY STORE FOOTPRINT AREA. CENTER OF THE COUNTY.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH'S INTEREST AND CONCERN OF NOT SHOPPING. WE HAVE DONE THIS IN OTHER COURT SYSTEMS TRYING TO PREVENT SHOPPING FOR JUDGES AND I BELIEVE BY CARVING OUT A FOOTPRINT FOR THE EAST SIDE WE HAVE THREE THINGS. THE PROPER REPUTATION, THE ACCESS THEY SEEK THAT THEY ARE PROMOEDING.

AND NO LONGER DO YOU HAVE TO TOGGLE OR SHOP.

THIS IS YOUR FOOTPRINT, JP. SO THE QUESTION FOR YOU, TUCKER.

>> -- IS THAT A PRETTY CLEAN ROAD MAP?

>> AS AFOREMENTIONED, BOTH OF THEM CONSTITUTE ESTABLISH ANOTHER JP IN PRECINCT TWO, AGAIN, THEY WILL REPRESENT THE WHOLE PRECINCT. CARVE OUT THINGS BY POLICY, I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THE POLICY YOU MENTIONED REGARDING THE DISTRICT JUDGES AND SEE HOW THAT WILL WORK.

ALL THE PANGLES THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE LEGAL BASED ON OUR COUNTY AND THE SIZE OF THE TO POPULATION, IF A PRECINCT WAS DECIDED, THAT COULD BE DONE JUST LIKE REDISTRICT BE ALSO DONE.

CREATE A NEW RESIDENCY. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE RESIDENCY OF THE JUSTICE OF PEACE AND CONSTABLES.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: BE CREATING ONE.

I THINK THE CONCERNS I HEARD FROM MY VANTAGE POINT CREATING A JP 6 MAKES MORE SENSE. COMMISSIONER INGALSBE.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: YEAH. I KIND OF THINK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT. AND HEAR WHAT INFORMATION YOU FIND OUT, TUCKER, BECAUSE I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO ENSURE THAT EVERYBODY IS REPRESENTED FAIRLY.

AND I AM NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE, BUT ANYWAY, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT INFORMATION YOU COME UP WITH.

I GUESS THE OTHER THING IS THAT -- REGARDING THIS AGENDA ITEM.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR. WOULD WE BE TAKING ACTION TODAY FOR THE CREATION AND IF SO HOW EXACTLY THAT WORKS.

BECAUSE YOU SAID, JUDGE, WE WOULD APPOINT SOMEBODY AND THEY RUN THAT YOU ARIN DURING THE NEXT ELECTION CYCLE.

JP 1 AND ARE HAT OTHER CYCLES. I WANT TO KNOW MORE OF THAT PROCESS AND THIRDLY I WILL SAY THAT I TO AGREE IF WE HAVE A TEMPORARY MASON THE EAST SIDE OF I-35.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, TAMMY IS GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT AVAILABLE FACES, BUT MAYBE WE CAN HAVE A SPACE THAT IS LARGE ENOUGH TO HOUSE A SMALL COURT ROOM.

TO ACCOMMODATE A SMALL COURT ROOM.

MAY BE TOUGH AND I KNOW WE LOOKED AT SPACE ON THE EAST SIDE AND HAND TO COME BY IT HAS BEEN A WHILE AND WE CAN TAKE A LOOK.

TAMMY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY ALREADY TO DO

THAT AND WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN? >> EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.

VERY FEW PLACES ON THE EAST SIDE CURRENTLY FOR LEASE THAT WOULD -- FIT THE FOOT PRINT THAT ABOUT TALKING ABOUT.

>> I DO HAVE ONE MORE THING TO ADD ABOUT CARVING OUT A PRECINCT 6 IS THERE IS STILL GOING TO BE SOMEBODY -- I DOESN'T TO DIVIDE EAST-WEST. I DON'T LIKE THAT AT ALL.

SOMETHING WITH THE SEED AS THEY ARE AS -- I WOULDN'T DO THAT TO

ANYBODY, A NEW JM. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: THAT IS WHERE SOME OF WHERE I AM COMING FROM, JUDGE.

THAT DIVISION IS TOUGH TO EPISCOPAL.

>> EASIEST ENOUGH TO APPOINT SOMEONE FROM THE EAST.

I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT PERSON NOT RUNNING AGAIN.

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>>COMMISSIONER COHEN: TALKING TO LYLE OF THE WHOLE PROCESS.

ESPECIALLY FOR ME TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND.

THE SUGGESTION WAS TO ALLOW HR TO POST THE JP POSITION FOR TWO WEEKS. A OT APPLICATION TO APPLY, AND FORM A COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THOSE APPLICANTS AND MAKE A

RECOMMENDATION TO THE COURT. >>JUDGE BECERRA:

>>JUDGE BECERRA: THAT'S FULFILLING THE CURRENT APPOINTMENT. TUCKER, YOU HEARD COMMISSIONER INGALSBE'S REQUEST AND YOU SAID YOU NEED TIME.

THAT IS PERFECT. WHAT WE NEED.

WE DON'T NEED TO BE ACY. TO BRING A ROAD MAP TOP DO THE COMPARE AND CONSTRUCTION BETWEEN BETWEEN IDENTIFYING REPRESENTATION HOW A JP 6 WOULD SATISFY IN MY OPINION.

OTHERWISE YOU ARE ALMOST BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT IS LAID OUT, YOU ARE IN A DIFFERENT SPACE TOGGLE BETWEEN THAT AND COMMISSIONER SHELL, WHAT WERE YOU GOING TO ADD?

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

MAYBE WE CAN FORM THAT COMMITTEE NOW TO BRING BACK THAT RECOMMENDATION. ALONG WITH IF THEY WANT TO POST -- HAVE HR DO THAT. AND MAKE THE COMMITTEE ASK BRING BACK THE RECOMMENDATION OF ANSWERING THIS.

BECAUSE I AM NOT PROPOSING THE NEW PRECINCT.

WAY TONIGHT MIKE SURE HE UNDERSTAND THAT EAST SIDE IT -- OBVIOUSLY THIS COURT CAN APPOINT SOMEONE FROM THE EAST SIDE AND AN ELECTION WILL DETERMINE THAT POSITION.

BUT MAYBE SIN -- I THINK WE ARE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT PRECINCTS 2-5. FLORIDA JAY SINTHE 2-5.

THE TWO JPS HAVE TO BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION IF THE COURT WERE TO EVER CONSIDER. I AM NOT PROPOSING IT.

BUT THE COURT WILL WORE A JP PRECINCT AND CONSTABLE THREE SINTH. WITHIN IN CON STHEPT PRECINCT 2.

WE SHOULD HAVE INPUT ON THAT DISCUSSION.

AND THE TWO COMMISSIONERS THAT SHARE.

THEY HOLY HAVE ALL OF THE EAST SIDE OF KOPP CONSTABLE TWO AND FIVE OF COMMISSIONER INGALSBE AND COHEN.

I ASK THAT THE FOUR OF THEM SIT DOWN AND INTERNALLY DEBATE THE PROS AND CONS OF ALL OF THIS INCLUDING A LOCATION WHERE YOU GET A LITTLE BIT OF MAYBE SOME ROUND NUMBERS OF LEASE/REMODDED HE WILL/EQUIPMENT, COUNCIL INPUT ON DEPUTY PRESENCE, EXISTING DEPUTIES. RESHIFT THEM OR NEW DEPUTIES, ETC. AND BRING THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THE COURT. THE FOUR OF Y'ALL PLUS ANY RESOURCES THEY WILL NEED TO INCLUDE TO MAKE DECISION.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: INCLUDE, TUCKER WITH THE INFORMATION.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: I WILL DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT WITH MY COLLEAGUE BECAUSE I REPRESENT A LARGE PORTION OF FIVE AND TWO AS WELL. BUT I FULLY TRUST MY COLLEAGUES TO DO AS THEY SEE FIT AND DO RIGHT BY JPS AND THAT'S WHAT IMPLORE CONCERNED ABOUT. I WOULD SAY IF AT ANY TIME WE OPEN THE DISCUSSION OF THE REDISTRICTING OF JP PRECINCTS.

OR CREAKS OF A J 6. IF THAT OCCURRED, EVERYTHING IS ON THE TABLE. ALL PRECINCTS.

I DON'T SAY THAT LIGHTLY BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE PRECINCT THAT WAS FOUNDED SPECIFICALLY TO OF OFFER MAGISTRATION ON THE EAST SIDE AT THE JAIL IF YOU GO BACK WITH THE FORLATION OF THAT PRECINCT. THE ENTIRE PURPOSE AND THEY ARE NOTING TO THAT ANYMORE. WE ARE REMISS IF WE DON'T LOOK AT THE PRODUCTION OF ALL THE SIX OR ALL THE FIVE CURRENT AND TRY TO DO SOME TYPE -- IF WE ARE TRULY TRYING TO ADDRESS AN OVERBURDENSOME SITUATION ON ONE JP OR ANOTHER, THEN WE SHOULD REALLY LOOK AT HOW WE ARE DO THAT AMONGST THE JPS.

OTHERWISE WE WILL END UP WITH -- I AM NOT -- WE WILL END UP WITH SOME JPS DOING WITH SIX, SEVEN OF THEM DOING 8% OF THE CASE LOAD IN THE COUNTY AND STILL DOING 25%.

THAT IS JUST -- IF WE ARE TRULY TRYING TO ADDRESS ISSUE, THEN I DON'T MEAN TO OPEN UP AN ENTIRE CAN OF WORMS OUT THERE, BUT IF YOU ARE WITH GOING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM, LET'S SOLVE A PROBLEM.

DO IT. >>JUDGE BECERRA: YOU ARE RIGHT.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: IN THAT CASE I WOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT JP PRECINCT 2, PLACE 2. OR JP PRECINCT 1, PLACE 1 OR

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PLACE 2. LET'S SAY SEVEN.

AND WE WILL HAVE -- EACH PERSON EACH JP WILL HAVE A EQUAL CASELOAD. GET DOWN IN THE WEEDS AND DO EQUAL REPRESENTATION AND THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.

I SAY THAT BECAUSE I LOOK AT THE CASELOADS THAT Y'ALL HAVE AND I PULLED SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS PRIOR TO REDISTRICTING AND UNDER REDISTRICTING. OBVIOUS THEN THAT THE CASELOADS WEREN'T EVEN. NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING EVEN AND RECOMMEND SELL BELL AN EVEN TIS TRIPOLLUTION OF THE CASELOADS WILL BE HELPFUL. THE OTHER THING THAT IT WILL DO IS AS WE LOOK AT THE BURDEN ON -- THE BURDEN ON THOSE CONSTABLE OFFICES. WE HAVE CONSTABLE OFFICES LIKE CONSTABLE, PRECINCT 5, AND PRECINCT 2, WHO HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB WITH A VERY SMALL STAFF GIVEN THE -- GIVEN THE GROWTH IN THOSE AREAS AND MAY VERY WELL BE TIME TO LOOK AT AN ADDITIONAL CONSTABLE SPOT THERE AND GIVE US THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. I KNOW WE HEAR COMPLAINTS FAIRLY OFTEN FROM FOLKS THAT WE ARE GROWING CONSTABLE OFFICE TOO LARGE AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. THAT WOULD OFFER THE POSSIBILITY TO SPLIT SOME OF THOSE DUTIES AS WELL.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE CONSTABLES ON THAT.

I WOULD MUCH RATHER HERE A RECOMMENDATION OF MY TWO COLLEAGUES AT THE END OF THE DAIS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD ON ESTABLISHING WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO.

BUT I AM GLAD WE STARTED THE CONVERSATION.

HOPEFULLY THIS WILL GET IT -- PERPETUATE GETTING SOMETHING

DONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. >>JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONER, I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. WE HAVE COMPUTERS AND SCROLL IN A MINUTE -- IT IS PUBLIC INFORMATION.

WHAT EACH JOB HAS AS A LOAD YOUR REQUEST IS REASONABLE AND NECESSARY TO NOT CREATE A PATCHWORK OF SOLUTIONS.

ENTERING A JP 6 OR -2. LET'S LONG AT THE WHOLE MAP AND RESHUFFLE THE OVERALL COUNTYWIDE MAP OF THE JPS SO THE LOAD CAN BE EQUALLY SHARED. I AGREE THAT IS MOST HOLISTIC

COMMISSIONER. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: JUDGE, CAN

I -- -- >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: JUDGE, AS A NUMBERS GUY, I WILL DISAGREE WITH MY NUMBER SELF ON THIS ONE.

I DO ARGUE THAT ON PAPER. THAT IS A -- A SOUND LOGICAL IDEA OF COURSE, GROWTH IT CHANGING SO FAST.

THE COVER DOOR IS CONSTANTLY GROWING AT A FASTER RATE.

WE CAN REBALANCE EVERYTHING THEORETICALLY WITHIN BE A YEAR IT WOULD PROBABLY BE OUT OF WHACK AGAIN.

WHERE SOMEBODY BUILDS SOMETHING LIKE A HOSPITAL SOMEWHERE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT CHANGES EVERYTHING.

I DO AGREE THAT THEORETICALLY IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA TO TAKE EXISTING CASELOAD, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN DIAL IT DOWN TO BE THAT SPECIFIC. THE OTHER THING IS, YOU TALK OF CONSTABLE OFFICES WITH JP BOUNDARIES.

EVERY TIME WE ARE MOVING THESE LINES.

NOT MOVING THE LINE OF A JP BOUNDARY OR A CONSTABLE BOUNDARY AND COUPLING THE IDEA OF CASELOAD THAT WE LOOK AT AS FAIRLY BLACK AND WHITE THING FOR DIFFERENT LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES AND DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTY THAT ARE SERVED DIFFERENTLY SOME BY MUNICIPAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS.

SOME BY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, CONSTABLE OFFICES AND YOU GET INTO A REALLY COMPLICATED THING IF WE LOOK AT EACH JP PRECINCT, WE START MOVING LINES AROUND. WE REALLY CHANGE HOW WE SERVE THOSE TERRITORIES FROM A JP OR CONSTABLE STANDPOINT AND INVOLVE IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY GREATER RESPONSIBILITY OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T CREATE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES

JUST BASED ON A NUMBER. >>COMMISSIONER COHEN: I WOULD.

>>COMMISSIONER COHEN: I AGREE. .

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: I DO TOO.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: YOU SHARE A CHUNK OF JP PRECINCT 5.

I THINK WHEN WE TALK OF EAST SIDE SERVICE.

EAST SIDE OF 5 AND 2, LOOK AT 35, SPLITS IT FOR THE MOST PART

LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW. >> I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU A HARD TIME BECAUSE BETH IS MY CONSTITUENT AND LIVES IN MY

PRECINCT. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: IN NO WAY WOULD I WANT OTHER JPS ON CONSTABLES.

I THINK THAT THE TWO JPS HERE, THEIR PR ARE IN THE AREAS AND COMMISSIONERS FOR 1 AND 2 SERVE THOSE AREAS.

>> I WILL AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SHELL HAND THIS LOCATION IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING OF A JP'S OFFICE.

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AND CONVENIENCE TO THE CONSTITUENT AND NOT NECESSARILY CASELOAD. I AM NOT HAVING PROBLEM WITH MY CASELOAD. MY CASELOAD IS FINE.

I CAN HANDLE THAT, IT'S FINE. >>JUDGE BECERRA: WHAT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, NOT EITHER ALWAYS.

THE YES AND. THE YES AND IS MORE WORK AND WE CAN DO BOTH. WE CAN DO ALL OF THE ABOVE AND PRACTICE TAKES MORE WORTH. WATCH ME GRAB THREE AND FOUR AND PUT IT TOGETHER. FOUR'S IDEA OF LOOKING AT THE COUNTY IS RIGHT. TALKING OF INQUESTS AND EVICTIONS, RIGHT. GENERALLY SPEAKING IN BROAD STROKES. LOOK AT THE WHOLE COUNTY IS A GOOD IDEA, BUT THE FOCUS CAN BE -- JUST SO WE KEEP AN AWARENESS AND ONE EYE ON THE WHOLE COUNTY SO WE DON'T DIAL IN TOO HARD ON THE NUMBERS. THE WHOLE COUNTY AND EAST SIDE AND NOT LOSING SITE OF WHAT EACH JOB HAS AS THEIR CURRENT CONDITIONS, ROAD MAP AND FUTURE PROJECTIONS OF GROWTH.

REALLY IMPORTANT -- IN MY OPINION, I WILL DOUBLE DOWN ON THE IDEA. FOR ME I AM COUNTYWIDE.

MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. WHOLEHEARTEDLY DOUBLE DOWN ON THE REQUEST TO CREATE A JP 6 OTHERWISE YOU WILL MUDDY THE WATERS. YOU HAVE THE REPRESENTATION YOU KNOW YOU NEED AND THE FOOTPRINT. WE ARE ALREADY DIVIDE AND WE WANT TO ADDRESS THE DIVISION. I THINK THAT WILL BE A USEFUL, MOST IMPACTFUL WAY TO CARE FOR THAT SPACE.

DON'T WORRY OF TOGGLING BETWEEN JUDGES.

PROXIMITY AND THE REPRESENTATION WILL COME FROM THERE WITH THAT MOTION AND I THINK THAT WILL BE MOST USEFUL AND BENEFICIAL.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: DO YOU HAVE A MOTION?

>>JUDGE BECERRA: TUCKER, WERE YOU GOING TO ADD SOMETHING?

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: JUDGE, I MAY TAKE UP A STAB A MOTION TO SET UP A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT INCLUDE THE TWO JPS AT THE POED UNDERAND OUR TWO COLLEAGUES AT THE END OF THE DAIS TO BRING A RECOMMENDATION EVALUATING THOSE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AND ASK THAT OUR OFFICE OF COUNTYWIDE OPERATIONS TAKE A HARD LOOK AT TRYING TO FIND SOME OFFICE SPACE ON THE EAST SIDE.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONERS, DOES THAT SOUND AGREEABLE TO

YOU. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: INCLUDE IN THAT EVALUATION, EXPECTED COSTS, PERSONNEL, CONSTABLE IMPACTS.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: DO IT QUICK, BECAUSE WE ARE ON THE BUDGET SEA SEASON.

>> I STARTED TO SAY STEPHANIE WITH OUR BUDGET OFFICE AND SHE IS WITH OUR PROCUREMENT OFFICE. ANYBODY WANT TO TAKE A STAB AT THAT OR YOU WANT ME TO TRY TO TAKE A STAB AT THE MOTION.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION, COMMISSIONER.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: JUST DIRECTION.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: TO MEET AND COORDINATE.

NO MOTION IS NEEDED. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: PERFECT.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: TUCKER WILL LOOP YOU IN, COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, ON THE OTHER PART. NO MOTION IS REQUIRED AND WE WILL MOVE ON. WE HEAR YOU.

WE SUPPORT YOU. AND WE ARE WORKING ON IT.

SENDING OUR FINANCE IN YOUR DIRECTION.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: CAN WE ASK FOR -- I KNOWS PURSUANT TO YOUR SCHEDULES TAMPA CAN WE READDRESS THIS NOT THIS WEEK BUT THE COMING WEEK. TO FIND OFFICE SPACE, TAMMY, OR

AT LEAST REVIEW SOME, TWO WEEKS? >> YES, I WILL DO WHAT I CAN AT

THAT POINT. >>JUDGE BECERRA: WELL-DONE.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

[I1. Discussion and possible action to authorize the execution of Fiscal Year Work Authorizations with HNTB Corporation in the total amount of $2,928,423.00 to continue providing General Engineering Consultant (GEC)/Program Management services for the Hays County 2016 Road Bond Program projects. SHELL/BORCHERDING]

IF NOTHING ELSE, WE WILL MOVE ON.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: OPEN I -1. >>DR. CARDENAS: DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION WITH HNTB CORPORATION IN THE TOTALITY AMOUNT OF 2,928,423, TO CONTINUE PROVIDING GENERAL ENGINEERING CONSULTANT PROGRAM MANAGEMENT SERVICES FOR THE HAYS COUNTY

2016 ROAD BOND PROGRAM PROJECT. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: SO MOVED.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: SECOND. >>JUDGE BECERRA: MR. DAN LYON,

BATTER UP. >> IN THE SPIRIT OF BILINGUALISM. I WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU, COMRADES. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET DOWN TO EXHIBIT D-2, FEE SCHEDULE HNTB RATES CLASSIFICATIONS.

THESE ARE PER HOUR. PROGRAM MANAGER, $473.

PROJECT PRINCIPAL, $473. SENIOR PROJECT, $413.

CONSTRUCTION PROJECT ADVISOR $399.

PROJECT ADVISOR, $391. SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER, $362.

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PROJECT MANAGER, $310. DEPUTY PROJECT MANAGER, $270.

SENIOR ENGINEER, $246. ENGINEER 5, $215.

ENGINEER 4, 191. ENGINEER 3, $174.

ENGINEER 2, $148. ENGINEER 1, 126.

ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGER, $262. VISUALAL PROJECT MANAGER, $217.

PRINCIPAL PLANNER, $3.18. SENIOR ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER $193. ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALIST, $174, ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER 2, $157. ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER $141.

SENIOR PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT REPRESENTATIVE, $144.

SENIOR CAD TECHNICIAN, $199. CAD TECHNICIAN 118.

SENIOR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER, $384.

CONSTRUCTION MANAGER, $331. SENIOR CON INSPECTOR $217.

CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR $162. CONSTRUCTION TECHNICIAN, $108.

LANDSCAPE A TICKETS 3, $159. LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT 2, $132.

LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT 12, $115. GIS, $123.

SENIOR DOCUMENT CONTROL SPECIALIST $171.

DOCUMENT CONTROL SPECIALIST 2, $149.

DOCUMENT CONTROL SPECIALIST $1 08.

BUSINESS MANAGER, $247. SENIOR PROJECT ANALYST $168.

PROJECT ANALYST $151. ADMIN CLERICAL, $121.

INTERNS $8. SENIOR SCHEDULER $239.

SCHEDULER 190. QUALITY MANAGER $315.

HAND THIS IS PRECISELY WHY I AM AGAINST APPROVING THIS.

THANK YOU VERY 67. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, MR. DAN LYON. I WILL SHARE WITH THE VIEWING PUBLIC WHAT YOU JUST WITNESSED. FOUR WAYS TO GET TO OUR PODIUM IN COMMISSIONERS COURT A COURT OF RECORD.

NUMBER ONE THE WAY COURT UNFOLDS.

NUMBER ONE, WHEN WE HAVE A DISCUSSED ALREADY.

OPEN IT UP FOR PRAYER. AND THAT IS OUR PERSONAL DISCRETION TO ALLOW THAT TO TAKE PLACE.

NUMBER TWO, WHEN YOU SIGN UP UNDER CITIZENS COMMENTS AND SPEAK ON NONAGENDA ITEMS. TESTIMONY NUMBER THREE IS WHEN YOU SIGN UP SPECIFICALLY FOR AN ITEM, AS YOU JUST WITNESSED.

SIGNING FOR AN ITEM, BUT LIMITATIONS IN THAT SPACE ARE YOU MUST STICK WITH THE AGENDA ITEM YOU SIGNED UP FOR AND MR. LYON HAVE SPOKEN SPECIFICALLY ON THIS AGENDA ITEM AND NO PROBLEM. AS LONG AS HE IS ON THE AGENDA ITEM HE CAN TALK AWAY HIS IF YOU WILL THREE MINUTES.

AND THE FOURTH WAY TO GET ON OUR PODIUM WHEN WE, MEMBERS OF THE COURT, CALL YOU FOR QUESTIONS. COMMENTS OR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU MAY SEEK. SO JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE AND HOW AND WHEN. COMMISSIONER SHELL.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: THANK YOU, JUDGE.

BEFORE I STARTED THE WORK AUTHORIZATIONS, 5 AND 6 TO GET US THROUGH NEXT YEAR REGARDING OUR ROAD BOND AND -- ROAD BOND PROJECTS, SOME OF WHICH ARE HANDLED THROUGH OUR ROAD DEPARTMENT AND OTHERS SOLELY I KNOW WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE, JERRY BORCHERDING AS WELL. I THINK THE AGENTS THAT DONE A GOOD JOB WITH OUR BOND PROGRAM. WE ARE CLOSE TO FINDING DO YOU KNOW GOOD PERCENTAGE OF IT. I WOULD IMAGINE BY THE END OF THIS COMING YEAR, WE WILL BE CLOSE TO CLOSED OWL.

WE WILL BE TALKING OF NEW PROJECTS AND NEW VISIONS AS WELL DURING THAT TIME. AND I HAVE BEEN PLEASED WITH HNTB. AND I THINK ALLOWING THEM TO FINISH THIS 2016 BOND PROGRAM WILL BE A GOOD IDEA.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: GOOD DEAL. TUCKER, JUST DOUBLE CHECKING.

ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? >> NO, SIR.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: CARLOS, ANYTHING WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE? STATE YOUR NAME AND TITLE FOR

THE VIEWING PUBLIC. >> HNTB, PROGRAM MANAGER FOR HAYS COUNTY GEC. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.

WE ENJOYED WORKING FOR THE COUNTY OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS.

I THINK WHAT THE COUNTY DOES IN PARTNERING WITH TXDOT IS EXCELLENT MT. ONLY IN THE ROAD BOND BUILDING PROJECTS, BUT

LEVERAGING FROM -- >>JUDGE BECERRA: EXCUSE ME,

REPEAT THAT. >> LEVERAGING MONEY FROM CAMPO.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: TELL WHAT THAT IS.

>> METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION.

COMMISSIONER INGALSBE SITS ON THAT BOARD.

ORIGINAL $131 MILLION THAT THE VOTERS PASSED LEVERAGED TO OVER $200 MILLION BECAUSE THE WAY THIS COUNTY COUNTY OPERATES.

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COMMISSIONER SMITH, WE ALL HAVE TO CUT OUR THROATS, NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE VIEWING PUBLIC UNDERSTOOD THE IMPORTANCE.

AGAIN, THE REALITY OF OUR LIVES IN GOVERNMENT.

WHEN PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.

WHEN PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE VALUE THAT YOU BRING TO JERRY, TRANSPORTATION. IT -- IT IS HARD TO -- TO UNDERSTAND AND, OF COURSE, IT IS HARD TO ACCEPT WHAT THIS MEANS.

BUT WHEN YOU PUT INTO NUMBERS -- I AM GOING TO ASK TO YOU REPEAT THEM, YOU PUT INTO NUMBERS WHAT WE AS TAXPAYERS PUT FORTH ON THE 2016 BOND AND HOW HNTB HAS HELPED US TO LEVERAGE WITH ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE CAPITAL AREA METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION AND TXDOT, ETC. YOU START TO SEE THAT IS AS YOU SAID MULT BLADE. CAN YOU REPEAT THOSE NUMBERS.

>> THE ORIGINAL BOND PROGRAM THAT VOTERS APPROVED WAS $131 MILLION. NOW OVER THE PAST YEARS THROUGH CAPILLARY PLANNING ORGANIZATIONS TO LOOKING AT ANY SAFETY OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT BRING IN ADDITIONAL TXDOT DOLLARS OF FM 110 TO BRING IN MORE DOLLARS.

PROGRAM OVER $200 MILLION THAT IS BROUGHT BACK TO HAYS COUNTY

AND WE ARE NOT DONE YET. >>JUDGE BECERRA: EXACTLY, THE TENACITY THAT WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR AND COMMISSIONER SHELL.

I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WHEN YOU WALKED INTO THIS COURT.

THE MORE I INTERACT WITH YOU, R, THE MORE I SEE WHAT COMMISSIONER SHELL SEES IN HNTB. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: SINCE WE HAVE BEEN ON THE COURT, JUDGE.

THE THIRD TIME THIS HAS COME UP MAYBE.

AND THIS CONTRACT HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE THAT TIME.

AND I THINK IT HAS BEEN DONE FOR THE BETTER.

I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW IMPRESSED I HAVE BEEN WITH CARLOS AND HIS TEAM, MARIA, EVERYONE ON THE TEAM THUS FAR.

AND CARLOS WILL BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU WE HAD ROUGH PHONE CALLS EARLY ON IN MY TENURE AS A COMMISSIONER.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: I HAD ONE TOO. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: WASN'T THE MOST POSITIVE AND I WASN'T THE MOST POSITIVE ON THE WORK THAT HNTB WAS DOING. AND Y'ALL HAVE STEPPED UP AND DONE A GREAT JOB AND IMPRESSED IT.

I WILL JUST FELL YOU THAT. >>JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONERS INGALSBE AND COHEN? ANYTHING TO ADD?

>>COMMISSIONER COHEN: JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE BEEN WONDERFUL FOR ME AS NEWLY ELECTED AND VERY PATIENT AND EXPLAINING ALL THE PROJECTS TO ME AND KEEPING ME UP TO DATE.

I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR ME AND MY OFFICE.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: I WILL JUST SAY CONSIDER, A LOWS, I WANT TO THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS -- I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE LAST TIME WAS, BUT IT HAS BEEN A LITTLE WHILE I HAD CONCERNS PAUSE I DIDN'T FEEL I WAS BEING COMMUNICATED TO CONCERNING PROJECTS. AS COMMISSIONER SMITH NOTED, THAT HAS CHANGED AND CHANGED FOR THE BETTER AND I FEEL MUCH MORE INFORMED OF THE PROJECTS. WHERE WE ARE ON THEM.

THE TIMELINE AND COSTS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT MEAN A LOT TO ME AND SHARE WITH MY CONSTITUENTS BECAUSE THEY ASK A LOT OF QUESTION. A AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK AND MARIA HAVE DONE.

PROJECTS THAT ARE LINGERING FOR A WHILE AND CONSTITUENTS CALLING AND MARIA HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB KEEPING UP WITH THE CONTRACTORS OR SUBCONTRACTORS REGARDING THOSE ISSUES.

SO THOSE LITTLE THINGS MEAN A LOT.

SO I APPRECIATE IT. BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION -- AND COMMISSIONER SHELL KIND OF TOUCHED ON THIS.

DO WE BELIEVE THIS WILL BE THE LAST?

>> WE ARE DOING A ONE-YEAR WORK AUTHORIZATION, COMMISSIONER.

AND WITH POTENTIAL 2024 BOND. WE FULLY EXPECT TO HAVE TO RECOMPETE THIS RIGHT AFTER THAT BOND HAS PASSED.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: BUT AS FAR AS THE 2016 AND THE

COMPLETION OF THAT? >> WE HAVE PROJECTS UNDER CON STRURNGZ CONSTRUCTION AT THAT POINT.

MOST OF THE PROJECTS NOW ARE EITHER DONE THROUGH THE PROJECTED DEVELOPMENT CYCLE OR -- OR ARE BEING BUILT OUT.

YES, IT IS GETTING VERY CLOSE TO THE END.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: WE WILL HAVE THE PARTNERSHIP WHICH FOR THE MOST PART IS 110, WHAT IS LEFT ON THE PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM THAT WOULD REQUIRE A SEPARATE WORK AUTHORIZATION THAT WILL COME BACK. AND SO I -- WE COULD BE LEFT WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON ONE OF THESE PROJECTS WHERE THERE IS STILL SOMETHING IN CONSTRUCTION THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOMETHING.

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THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY WILL MORE THAN LIKELY BE COMPLETED AND CARLOS MENTIONED WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS AND THE CITY WILL CONSIDER THAT AT THAT TIME. I WANT TO MENTION -- MR. LYON MENTIONED THOSE GUYS AND RATES. THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY. NO COUNT ABOUT THAT.

$2,000 MILLION OF WORK IS A LOT OF MONEY AS WELL AND LIKE LAST WEEK, WE APPROVED -- IF IT WASN'T LAST WEEK, IT WAS A FEW WEEKS AGO. 3237 WITH TXDOT PICKING THAT UP.

HAND THIS WAS $15 MILLION OR SO, ROUNDABOUT OF CONSTRUCTION OVER THREE YEARS THAT -- THAT THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE -- WOULD HAVE HAD TO SPEND TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT.

WE HAVE BEEN DESIGNING THAT PROJECT, BUT TO CONSTRUCT THAT PROJECT AND THE MARRED WORK OF HNTB AND OUR TXDOT OFFICE IS TO THE POINT WHERE THEY TAKE THE CONSTRUCTION ON WHICH IS EXECUTIVEXTREMELY SIGNIFICANCE THE COUNTIES.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: I AGREE.

WE LEVERAGED OUR MONEY WELL AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE OUR

PARTNERSHIP IN ORDER TO DO THAT. >>JUDGE BECERRA: BEFORE WE KICK THIS OFF FOR A VOTE. I WANT MR. BORCHERDING AN OPPORTUNITY WEIGH IN. ANYTHING TO CONTRIBUTE? IF YOU WILL STATE YOUR NAME AND TITLE.

>> JERRY BORCHERDING, THE DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION.

I CONCUR OF THE POSITIVE THING OF HNTB AND THEIR ABILITIES TO MANAGE THESE PROJECTS AND BRING FRUBDZ OTHER SOURCES.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: OKAY. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, WHEN I WAS ELECTED I SAT DOWN WITH JERRY AND HIS FOLKS AND I TALKED OF MOUNT CALL GAYNOR ROAD.

AND JERRY WAS QUICK TO TELL ME A 2002 BOND PROJECT TO FIX MOUNTS GAYNOR. I PRAY THAT WE ARE DONE IN THE 2016 ROAD BOND BECAUSE I HAVE TWO PROJECTS NOT UNDER CONSTRUCTION YET BUT SHOULD GO THERE QUICKLY.

I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY GUARANTEE.

IT TOOK ME GETTING ELECTED IN 2019 TO FINISH THE 2002 BOND

PROJECT. >> I STILL HAVE A COUNTY ROAD PROJECT THAT WE ARE WAITING ON CONSTRUCTION FUNDING.

I APPRECIATE JERRY SETTING ASIDE THE MONEY, BUT ONE TIME THAT COULD HAVE PRETTY MUCH FINISHED AND WITH THE ESCALATION.

SEVEN MILLION FOR CONSTRUCTION OR SO.

SO MERE IS STILL HOPING. VERY IMPORTANT ROAD PROJECT ON THE EAST SIDE OF I-35 THAT CARRY AIRINGS LOT OF TRAFFIC.

GOES DOWN TO THE SAN MARCOS HIGH SCHOOL AND WE NEED GET IT DONE

AND SEARCHING FOR FUNDS. >> CAMPO WILL BE IMPORTANT,

COMMISSIONER SMITH. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: ONE OTHER POINT TOO IN ALL OF MY WISDOM WHEN I GOT BACK TO THE COUNTY JANUARY 2011, I THOUGHT I KNEW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ENGINEERING.

I HAVE A DEGREE IN ENGINEERING BUT NOT A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE BASICS OF IT.

I THOUGHT LOOKING A WHAT THE THE COUNTY WAS SPENDING ON MANAGEMENT, GENERAL ENGINEERING AND MANAGEMENT OF BOND PROGRAMS. I SPENT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME WONDER WHAT IT WILL TAKE IF THE COUNTY WOULD TAKE ON NOT ALL OF THAT BUT PERCENTAGES IN HOUSE.

WHAT THE COST IF THE COUNTY WILL HIRE PROJECT MANAGERS, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS AND SUPPORT STAFF NECESSARY.

PEOPLE WHO HO CAN USE CAD PROGRAMS AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND DEVELOP ENGINEERING PLANS ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTISTSA AND SURVEYORS AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE HIGH.

THE HOURLY RATES THAT MR. LYON WAS MENTIONING.

THE MARKET IS HIGH FOR THOSE PROFESSIONS.

AND SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PROGRAM MANAGEMENT IS VERY EXTENSIVE MORE THAN WE PAY IN CONSULTANTS. THAT IS WHY -- WE SEE THIS IF YOU WANT TO GET THE PROJECTS DONE IN A REASONABLE AND COST ESCALATION. TIME IS IMPORTANT.

AND LONG-TERM PROJECTS AND THEY TAKE A LONG TIME TO DEVELOP AND A LOT OF VARIABLES TO THEM. IF WE WERE TRYING TO DO THIS IN HOUSE, THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS TO DO THAT, WE WOULD RUN AN ENGINEERING FIRM FOR THE MOST PART AND PAY FOR ALL OF THAT OVERHEAD AND PAY FOR ALL OF THAT COSTS NONSTOP.

I THINK WE TRIED TO CREATE A GOOD BALANCE WITHIN OUR OWN DEPARTMENT AND CONSULTANTS TO MANAGE THAT THAT COST IS REAL

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AND INFLATION IS REAL AND WE ARE SEEING THAT THROUGH CONSTRUCTION AND TO GET OUR PROJECTS DEVELOPED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AS WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THAT CHANGING.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: AS SOON AS WE BUILD THE ROADS OR PREPARE THESE ROADS WHERE OUR RESIDENTS BE SERVED.

IN ADDITION CHEAPER NOW THAN LATER.

COSTING NOW MORE THAN IT DID BEFORE, QUESTION.

IT COST MORE THIS YEAR OR FIVE YEARS.

ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE I CALL THE VOTE.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: NOTHING. >>JUDGE BECERRA: CALL THE VOTE.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: YES. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: YES.

[CONSENT ITEMS]

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: YES. >>COMMISSIONER COHEN: YES.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: YES. PLEASE OPEN CONSENT AGENDA I

ITEMS. >>DR. CARDENAS: G-1, APPROVE PAYMENTS OF COUNTY INVOICES. G-2, APPROVE THE PAYMENTS OF JUROR CHECKS. G-3, APPROVE THE PAYMENTS OF UNITED HEALTHCARE CLAIMS. G-4, AUTHORIZE A WAIVER FOR PURCHASING POLICY FOR CORRECTED HOFFMANN'S QUOTE FOR BUILDING MAINTENANCE HANDRAILS FOR $3,380-09 AT THE REAR ELECTED OFFICIALS' ENTRANCE. G-5, RECEIVE ANNUAL ROAD REPORTS FOR EACH PRECINCT REQUIRED BY THE TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE SECTION 251-005. G-6, APPROVE OUT-OF-STATE TRAVEL FOR CECC DIRECTOR STEPHANIE ROBINSON TO ATTEND THE TYLER NEW WORLD ADVISORY BOARD MEETING SEPTEMBER 19-20, 2023 IN TROY, MICHIGAN. G-7, AUTHORIZE EXAM SITE RENEWAL FEE OF $500 WITH TEXAS COMMISSION ON LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR THE SHERIFF TRAINING ACADEMY.

G-8, APPROVE UTILITY MERITS. G-THE, AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF AMENDMENT 2 WITH JM ENGINEERING TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DUCTWORK, MATERIALS, GRILL AND FIRE SMOKE DAMPER IN THE AMOUNT OF $15,1 2.40 AND AMEND THE BUDGET ACCORDINGLY.

G-10, AUTHORIZE THE HAYS COUNTY LOCAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO ENGAGE SERVICES DIRECTLY WITH LOCAL FIRE, EMS AND LICENSED MEDICAL PERSONNEL TO ASSIST WITH VACCINE EFFORTS FOR CHILDREN AND ADULTS WHO ARE ELIGIBLE UNDER THE TEXAS VACCINE FOR CHILDREN AND ADULT SAFETY NET PROGRAM THROUGH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF

STATE HEALTH SERVICES. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: SO MOVED.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: SECOND. >>JUDGE BECERRA: TELL US ABOUT

10. >> LAST WEEK WE SIGNED AN ILA WITH THE CITY. WE WOULD LIKE NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ILA, BUT INSTEAD DIRECT, ENGAGE IN DIRECT AGREEMENTS, I AM SORRY, WITH LOCAL FIRE, EMS AND MEDICAL PERSONNEL TO WORK WITH THEM WITH THEIR SCHEDULES AND PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES WITH US. WE FEEL LIKE THOSE AGREEMENTS WOULD BETTER ASSIST US IN PROVIDING IMMUNIZATION SERVICES THAT WE NEED SPAT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

THEIR SCHEDULES CAN BE MORE FLEXIBLE AND WE WILL HAVE A WIDER RANGE OF AVAILABILITY THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY WITH EXPANDING THOSE SERVICES WITH DIFFERENT AGENCIES, NOT JUST SAN

MARCOS FIRE DEPARTMENT. >>JUDGE BECERRA: OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: JUST ONE FOR POLICE CRUMLEY WITH THE I.T.

ELECTION PROGRAM. MISS CRUMBLY KNOW THIS BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THE COST TO COMPLETE IN BUILDING OVER THE LAST FEW WEEK.

WHEN IS THE END IN SITE ON THE I.T. ELECTIONS BUILDING? WHEN CAN WE EXPECT THAT OUR INVESTMENT HAS BEEN COMPLETED?

>> WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN A DATE -- AN ESTIMATED DATE OF

MID-SEPTEMBER. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: DO WE BELIEVE THAT THE ACTION TODAY FOR THE DUCTWORK AND AIR CONDITIONING SERVICES, ARE WE CONFIDENT THAT WE HAVE FOUND EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ORDER FOR US TO UTILIZE THE BUILDING? I AM GETTING -- I AM NOT IMPATIENT WITH OUR STAFF. WE BOUGHT A BUILDING.

WE ARE TRYING TO MANGE IT WORK. DOING AS FAST AS WE CAN AND THE PURCHASING OFFICE SPENT A BUNCH OF TIME ON THIS TOO.

NOT MY FRUSTRATION WITH OUR STAFF OR ANYTHING, JUST MY

FRUSTRATION WITH DOLLARS. >> WE HAD TO TURN BASICALLY A WAREHOUSE INTO OFFICE SPACE. AND I HOPE THAT IS THE END OF THE AC ISSUES. WE STILL NEED THE CAMERA AND

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SECURITY SYSTEM. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: WE CAN

EXPECT CAMERAS AND SECURITY. >> YES.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: SORRY, COMMISSIONER, WE WILL USE

WHOEVER WE HAVE? >> WE ARE STILL GETTING QUOTES FOR THOSE. STEPHANIE --

>> SO WE HAVE THE QUOTES FOR THE SECURITY CAMERAS, IT IS WITH LEGAL RIGHT NOW GOING THROUGH THE VERBIAGE MAKING SURE ALL OF THAT IS INTACT. HOPEFUL LEAVE THAT WILL COME BACK NEXT WEEK POOP. THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THEM INSTALLED SECURITY CAMERAS TO MONITOR THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS OF ELECTIONS. THE SECURITY OF THE BUILDING AND I.T. IN ELECTIONS. THAT SHOULD BE THE LAST PURCHASE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED. THE ADDITIONAL DUCTWORK THAT IS JUST STUFF THAT IS LEFT OUT OF THE PLANS.

I AM NOT 100% SURE ON THAT. I WASN'T INVOLVED FULLY IN THAT PROCESS WHEN THEY WERE PUTTING TO TOGETHER.

THAT IS WHERE THAT WORK CAME F

FROM. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: I ASKED MISS CRU MMLEY ABOUT THAT. WE WERE FRUSTRATED AND TO GET OUR ELECTION OFFICE IN THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ELECTION LOOMING AND WE NEED TO HAVE THEM IN THERE FUNCTIONING PROPERLY.

WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AT THE LAST MINUTE.

I KNOW A LOT OF PRESSURE FOR EVERYBODY.

AND I AM HAPPY THAT OUR WORK IS DOING TO TRY TO GET US THROUGH THIS. I AM JUST GETTING A LITTLE IMPATIENTS WITH ADDITIONAL SURPRISE COSTS AND I AM HOPING THAT I GET AN ANSWER AFTER THE SECURITY AND THE CAMERA SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE PRETTY MUCH GOT THE BUILDING WITH WE CAN GO MOVE IN

IT AND USE IT PROPERLY. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THE COMMISSIONER FOR THE IF VIEWING PUBLIC IS LEANING MORE THAN THE OTHERS BECAUSES IN HIS PRECINCT, IN HIS FOOTPRINT.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: YES. I KNOW THE COURT DOESN'T LIKE APPROVING THESE TYPE OF EXPENDITURES.

IF I WAS ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES OFF IN THE DISTANCE FROM THIS BUILDING AND THEY KEPT BRINGING IN THINGS, SPENDING MONEY SAYING WE NEED MORE DUCTS AND THINGS LIKE.

SOME POINT IS ENOUGH ENOUGH YOU HOW MANY DUCTS DO WE NEED.

DUCTS, NOT DUCKS. SO THAT IS WHAT I AM BRINGING TO THE ATTENTION OF THE COURT. THAT WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION AND NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO TO CONTINUE TO BRING ITEMS BACK ON THE BUILDING. OUR GOAL IS TO GET YOUR STAFF IN TH THERE.

>> IT IS OKAY, COMMISSIONER, WE WILL JUST REMEMBER --

>>JUDGE BECERRA: WHAT DID YOU SAY, COMMISSIONER SMITH?

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: WE WILL JUST REMEMBER IT LATER.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: NOT THE FIRST BUILDING.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER SHELL BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION. ALSO I THINK IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAVEN'T DONE US ANY FAVORS ALSO.

NOW WE HAVE TO INCORPS RAT WITH IN OUR ELECTIONS.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: WHAT THE COMMISSIONER IS REFERRING TO THE STATE PASSED LAWS THANK TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS.

I WOULD SAY A LOT OF THEM INVALID, NEVERTHELESS, THEY ARE CONCERNS AND WE HAD TO ADDRESS THEM AT A LOCAL LEVEL HAND THIS IS WHAT THERE LOOKS LIKE THE COUNTY IS THE LEFT FOOTING THE BILL TO CATESER TO THAT LAW. AND WHAT THEY ARE REFERENCING AS A UNFUND AND MANDATE THAT COMMISSIONER SHELL IS HAVING FRUSTRATION BECAUSE THE END OF THE LINE OF THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS AREN'T REACHED BECAUSE OF A STATE LAW THAT WAS NOT PASSED WITH DOLLARS NOTHING ELSE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

[K1. Discussion and possible action authorizing the execution of a contract between Hays County and Securus Technologies, Inc. for digital mail services and authorize a discretionary exemption pursuant to Texas Local Government Code 262.024 (a)(7)(D). INGALSBE/CUTLER]

>>COMMISSIONER COHEN: YES. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: YES. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: YES.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: YES. K

K-1. >>DR. CARDENAS: K-1 DISCUSSION AND OSSIBLE ACTION EXECUTION OF A CONTRACT WITH HAYS COUNTY AND

SECURUS TECHNOLOGIES. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: MOTION.

>> SECOND. >>JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONER.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: I I KNOW THAT WE DO CURRENTLY PROVIDE THIS SERVICE, AND WHAT IT DOES IS TAKES CERTAIN PIECES OF PHYSICAL MAIL. THEY ARE THEN SCANNED AND THEN GIVEN TO THE INMATES DIGITALLY, SO WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT SERVICE. AND I THINK IT IS ALSO PREVENTED OTHER THINGS FROM COMING INTO THE HAYS COUNTY JAIL.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: I HEARD THAT. KATHERINE, ANYTHING ELSE YOU

WANT TO ADD? >> THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

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THE SAFETY AND SECURED OF OUR INMATES -- SORRY, JULIE, CAPTAIN, HAYS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, JAIL SUPPORT SERVICE BUREAU. LIKE THE COMMISSIONER SAID, OUR MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THE INMATES IN THAT FACILITY. AND YOU WILL NOTICE THAT A LOT OF OTHER FACILITIES ARE GOING THIS ROUTE BECAUSE PEOPLE TRY TO SEND IN -- YOU NAME IT, THEY ARE TRYING TO SINNED IT INTO THE FACILITY. WE MAN FOUND IT IS JUST REALLY WORKED WELL FOR US OVER THIS YEAR -- THIS PAST YEAR THAT WE HAD IT. YOUR SUPPORT TODAY WILL ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO KEEP A SAFE FACILITY.

AND WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: CAPTAIN, JUST TO ILLUMINATE PROCESS FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC. CURRENTLY IF I SEND A LETTER TO AN INMATE IN OUR COUNTY JAIL, SOMEONE IN OUR COUNTY OPENS IT.

>> THE OLD WAY YES. >>JUDGE BECERRA: DOGS US THROUGH THE OLD WAY. SEND YOU A LETTER.

>> OLD WAY, FAMILY MEMBER WILL SEND A LETTER TO THE INMATES AT 1307. AT THAT POINT, WE HAD ONE MALE OFFICER THAT WOULD HAVE TO OPEN, SCREEN, AND CHECK THE LETTER FOR CONTRABAND PRIOR TO IT BEING DELIVERED TO THE INMATES MATE.

SO I CAN'T RECALL HOW MANY LETTERS WE WERE DOING PER DAY, BUT WE ARE DEALING WITH INCOMING MAIL, OUTGOING MAIL, LEGAL MAIL, PACKAGES. A LOT FOR ONE PERSON.

THE FACT WE WENT DIGITAL MAIL HELPS US A LOT AND ALLOWS US TO GET THAT LETTER TO THAT INMATE A LOT FASTER ON THEIR INMATE

TABLETS. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THE REASON I ASKED YOU TO GO THROUGH THAT EXERCISE THAT I HEARD COMPLAINTS OF -- BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.

>> YOU KNOW -- SORRY. >>JUDGE BECERRA: I HEARD COMPLAINTS, THIS IS PRIVATE AND I TELL FOLKS.

THEY ARE ALREADY BEING READ. AND SO BEING READ AND THEN PASSED OVER OR BEING SCANNED AND DIGITALLY PASSED OVER SO NOTHING IN THE REALM OF PRIVACY IS BEING LOST THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

>> CORRECT. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THE NEXT PIECE I WANT TO ASK, THE COST -- CAN YOU SHARE WITH THE VIEWING PUBLIC THE COST OF SCANNING THESE AND DIGITALLY SENDING THEM

TO THE INMATES. >> YES, SIR, WE ARE PAYING $1320

A MONTH FOR THIS PROCESS. >>JUDGE BECERRA: $.

>> 1320 PER MONTH OUT OF THIS PROCESS.

COMES OUT OF THE COMMISSION AND NOT OUT OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

WE DON'T PAY FOR IT. >>JUDGE BECERRA: WHAT

COMMISSION? >> THE COMMISSION EARNED FROM THE SECURUS CONTRACT. WHAT WAY BETTER USING THAN TO PUT IT BACK FOR THE INMATES'S USE AND FOR THEIR SAFETY.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: MAKES SENSE. COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD. KOINZ COHEN I AM GOOD.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

DR. CARDENAS, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: YES. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER COHEN: YES. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: YES.

[Items I2 - I4]

>>JUDGE BECERRA: YES. PLEASE GO I-2.

>>DR. CARDENAS: I-2, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO CONSIDER THE RELEASE OF THE TWO-YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND FWHT AMOUNT OF $61,623.61 AND THE ACCEPTANCE OF ROADS IN THE COUNTY ROAD MAINTENANCE SYSTEM FOR SIX CREEKS SUBDIVISION PHASE 1

SECTION 5A. >>JUDGE BECERRA: DO 3 AND 4.

>> H-3, DISCUSSION OF THE MAINTENANCE TWO-YEAR BOND 1335518C IN THE AMOUNT OF $89,471766 AND THE ACCEPTANCE OF ROADS IN THE COUNTY ROAD FOR TRAILS AT WINDY HILL SUBDIVISION PHASE 3. I-4, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO CONSIDER THE RELEASE OF THE TWO-YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND PB 0301680069 IN THE AMOUNT OF $66,811.47 AND THE ACCEPTANCE OF ROADS INTO THE COUNTY ROAD MAINTENANCE SYSTEM FOR GREAT

HILLS SUBDIVISION SECTION 7. >> MOTION.

>> SECOND. >>JUDGE BECERRA: VOTING ON I, 2, 3 AND 4. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: YES. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: YES.

[J1. PLN-2232-PC; Call for a Public Hearing on August 15th, 2023, followed by discussion and possible action regarding Fitzhugh Acres, Lot 4, Replat. SMITH/PACHECO]

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: YES. >>COMMISSIONER COHEN: YES.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: YES. J-1 PLEASE.

>>DR. CARDENAS: J 1 1, PLN-2232-PC.

CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON AUGUST 15, 2023 FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FITS FITS ARE.

>> SO MOVED IS SPECKED. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: YES.

[K2. Discussion and possible action to authorize the execution of Change Order No.1 to the Thermon building remodel agreement with The Fence Lady Inc. in the amount of $7,066.21 and amend the budget accordingly. SHELL/T.CRUMLEY]

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: YES. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER COHEN: YES. >>JUDGE BECERRA: YES.

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K-2. >>DR. CARDENAS: K-2, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE EXECUTION OF CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 1 TO THE THERMON BUILDING REMODEL AGREEMENT WITH THE FENCE

LADY IN THE AMOUNT OF $7066.21. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >>JUDGE BECERRA: START THE TIMER

FOR MR. DAN LYON. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE BECERRA I, TOO, SHARE THE SAME CONCERNS THAT K57 COMMISSIONER SHELL HAS ABOUT CHANGE ORDERS JUST MOUNTING UP ONE AFTER THE OTHER AND THE EXPENSES ON THESE BUILDINGS ADDING UP.

ANYWAY, LET ME READ THE SUMMARY OF THIS.

SAYS IN AGREEMENT WITH FENCE LEADER, INC. THROUGH THE REMODELLING OF THE THERMON BUILDING APPROVED IN COMMISSIONERS COURT JUNE 5, 2023 ONCE CONSTRUCTION BEGAN.

IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT ADDITIONAL WORK WOULD BE NEED AND. FENCE LADY INC. IN THE AMOUNT OF 7066.21 FOR ADDITIONAL WORK. THE PROPOSAL HAS BEEN VETTED UNDER CHOICE PARTNERS NUMBER 23/016MR-31.

FUNDING FOR THIS ADDITIONAL WORK HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE BUILDING MAINTENANCE OPERATING BUDGET.

ALL RIGHT THIS IS A PITTANCE COMPARED TO WHAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. $7,000.

THAT WOULD BE A LOT OF MONEY FOR ME, BUT FOR YOU ALL, IT IS NOTHING. COMMUNITY IMPACT, NEWS LEADER.

DID AN EXTENSIVE REPORT ON SOME OF THE FENCE LADY'S WORK FOR THE CITY. AND I AM NOT GOING TO SAY THAT I COME TO ANY CONCLUSION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BY READING THAT ARTICLE, BUT IT DID SAY THAT THERE WERE CHANGE ORDERS WERE MOUNTING UP ON CITY PROJECTS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN YOU USE LANGUAGE LIKE "IT WAS DISCOVERED." WHO DISCOVEED IT? WHY DIDN'T THEY DISCOVER IT BEFORE? YOU KNOW, IT IS SO VAGUE.

AND ARE THERE GOING TO BE MORE DISCOVERIES IS MY QUESTION.

AND ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TWO, THREE, FOUR AND FIVE CHANGE ORDER AS SOON AS I DON'T KNOW. LET'S TRY TO KEEP THIS ONE TO BE THE LAST ONE. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SHELL.

THIS STUFF KEEPS COMING UP OVER AND OVER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THE REASON WHY MR. LYON IS BRINGING UP CHANGE ORDER.

PEOPLE WILL BID ON A PROJECT, COME IN LOWER AND COME BACK TO CHANGE IT TO GET THE ACTUAL PROJECTED BID AMOUNT THEY WERE SEEKING. SO HE IS CALLING THAT OUT.

COMMISSIONER SHELL. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: I AGREE WITH HIS CONCERN AS WELL. MISS CRUMLEY WILL AGREE.

I HAVE BEEN PINGING THEM ON THIS ISSUE AS WELL.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE IT WAS DISCOVERED PROBABLY COULD BE HAVE BEEN BETTER SET AS THE COUNTY DECIDED THAT THESE IMPROVEMENTS -- WE WOULD ALSO LIKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS MADE.

THESE WERE NOT CONTEMPLATED. THIS IS AT OUR REQUEST SAYING THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED -- WE WANT TO USE THIS ROOM IN THIS MANNER.

WE DID NOT PLAN FOR THAT BUT WE THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA.

AFTER THE FACT, WE WOULD LIKE FOR THIS TO BE DONE.

YOU AND IF NOT WHAT IS HEADED OUR WAY AFTER YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION OF THE CHANGE ORDER IN GENERAL.

>> THANK YOU. YES, THESE WERE THINGS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED BY US, NOT THE CONTRACTOR.

WE -- WHEN ORIGINALLY PLANNING THE EXAM ROOMS, WE HAD THIS ROOM IDENTIFIED AS A MED ROOM. AND --

>>JUDGE BECERRA: M.-U.-D. >> MED ROOM, MEDICINE.

TO OUTFIT IT AND HAVE THE CABINETS PUT IN NOW SO EVERYTHING WAS UNIFORM AND THE SAME BECAUSE WE WILL EVENTUALLY USE IT AS AN EXAM ROOM. AND THE COST NOW WILL BE CHEAPER THAN HAVING IT DONE LATER. SO WE ASKED THAT BE ADDED TO IT.

THE DOORS ARE -- THE DOORS FROM THE LOBBY TO THE BACK WHICH NEED TO LOCK. WE THOUGHT THAT DOING IT OURSELVES BE MOST COST EFFECTIVE.

IT WILL BE NOT -- JUST BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT WAS ENTAILED IN DOING THAT. SO THOSE WERE ADDED.

WE -- THERE IS A COUPLE MORE THINGS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE INSPECTION REPORT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GET DONE TO BRING

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THE BUILDING UP TO STANDARDS AND -- IT IS AN OLDER BUILDING SO THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE IT -- UP TO SPEED.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: GUTTER. YES.

A FLAT SERVICE OUT THERE. SO WHEN IT RAINS, THE WATER ACCUMULATES AROUND THE BUILDING. THAT IT WAS ONE THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS NEEDING TO BE DNE.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: I THINK WE ARE KERR REFRPTS RENTSLY GETTING

QUOTES FOR BIDDERS. >> AND I THINK THAT -- THAT IS THE LAST MAJOR THING THAT NEEDS T HAPPEN.

THERE IS A BACK DOOR, AN EMPLOYEE DOOR.

WE REPAIRED IT SEVERAL TIMES AND IT CONTINUES TO GET STUCK TO WHERE IT DOESN'T CLOSE WHEN YOU COME IN.

YOU HAVE TO PULL IT. IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE.

SO WE ARE LOOK TOCK HAVE THAT REPLACED.

I THINK THAT IS -- THAT IS PROBABLY THE LAST MAJOR RENOVATION, IF YOU WILL, THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: THE BACK DOOR IS STILL NEEDING TO

COME TO COURT? >> YES.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: OKAY. GOOD, GOOD, GOOD.

IF THERE IS NOTHING ELSE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: YES. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: YES. >>COMMISSIONER COHEN: YES.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: YES. I DON'T NEED TO PULL MYSELF AWAY FROM THE AGENDA. I CAN PUT MY READING GLASSES ON.

OKAY. I THINK WE HAVE K-1, 2, 3 -- WE ARE GOING TO WAIT FOR 4. I AM CHIMING IN ON 4.

[M2. Discussion related to the Hays County inmate population, to include current population counts and costs. BECERRA]

LET'S DO STANDING AGENDA PLEASE HOPE 2, M-2.

>>DR. CARDENAS:M- DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE HAYS COUNTY INMATES POPULATION TO INCLUDE CURRENT POPULATION COUNTS AND COSTS. SHERIFF'S OFFICE PROVIDE MY OFFICE THE INMATE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE ASKED FOR AND THEY HAVE BEEN SO WONDERFUL TO PROVIDE FOR YEARS NOW.

OUR JAIL CAPACITY AND IT IS 410 INMATES.

JAIL STANDARDS RECOMMEND HOLDING APPROXIMATELY 10% OF THAT CAPACITY OPEN WHICH LOWERS OUR ACTUAL CAPACITY TO 368.

THE JAIL'S DAILY AVERAGE WAS, HOWEVER, 562 AND PEAK WAS 572 ON JULY 29. THE ESTIMATED COST PER OUTSOURCING INMATES THIS WEEK IS 150,650.

THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF OUTSOURCED MALES IS 240 AND FEMALES ARE ZERO. THIS WEEK'S INMATES WERE HOUSED IN THE FOLLOWING COUNTIES, AT COACH CHA, COMAL, HAS KELL AND MAVERICK. PAPER INMATES HAVE BEEN CLIMBING. SITTING AT 48 STATE READY INMATES. SO WHY THAT IS IMPORTANT, TAX PAY PER DOLLARS ON THE STATE LEVEL SHOULD BE USED BY INSTEAD IT IS COUNTY TAXPAYER DOLLARS THAT ARE BEING USED.

AT THIS TIME WE WILL TAKE A TEN-MINUTE RECESS TO ALLOW FOR OUR BUDGET OFFICE TO PREPARE.

WE ARE BACK FROM A SHORT RECESS. AND IF YOU WILL PLEASE -- I WAS EXPECTING THE MIC TO BE OFF A LITTLE BIT, TAMMY, BEFORE I RIBBED YOU A BIT. WOULD YOU PLEASE OPEN -- WHAT

[K4. Discussion and possible action regarding the Fiscal Year 2024 budget including a presentation of the Budget Office recommended budget and selection of dates for budget workshops. BECERRA/DORSETT]

WAS THAT AGENDA CUSH

CUSHION-4. >>DR. CARDENAS: K-4, DISCUSSION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET MEETING AND PRESENTATION OF THE OFFICE AND DATE FOR BUDGET WORKSHOPS.

>> TAMMY DORSETT, HAYS BUDGET OFFICER.

YOU HAVE THE 2024 RECOMMENDED BUDGET WITH A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF SOME KEY ITEMS. THE BUDGET'S BALANCE USING A TAX RATE OF.3075 CENTS WITH I IS $.50 BELOW OUR CURRENT TAX RATE OF 31.25. BREAKDOWN OF THE RECOMMENDED TAX RATE IS LISTED ON PAGE 2. FOLLOWED BY A CHART, WHICH INCLUDES SOME HISTORICAL TAX RATE DATA FOR YOUR REFERENCE.

IF ADOPTED, THIS TAX RATE WILL GENERATE REVENUE ESTIMATES OF APPROXIMATELY $87 MILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS. $9 MILLION IN THE ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND OR ROAD MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS.

$35 MILLION IN THE DEBT SERVICE FUND FOR PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST PAYMENTS, WHICH INCLUDES OUR VOTER-APPROVED PARK AND VOTE BOND PROJECTS. THIS REVENUE, AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER ESTIMATED REVENUE HAS BEEN CERTIFIED BY OUR COUNTY AUDITOR.

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ON PAGE 5 IS THE ESTIMATED COST OF OPERATIONS.

APPROXIMATELY $1378 MILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND WITH AN ADDITIONAL $11.3 MILLION ARE BUDGETED FOR ONE-TIME BUDGETED CAPITAL PURCHASES. TOTAL FY '24 RECOMMENDED EXPENDITURES ARE UP APPROXIMATELY HALF A PERCENT.

JUST BARELY UP FROM OUR CURRENT FY '23 BUDGET.

AND IN FY '23, THE COURT AUTHORIZED IMPLEMENTATION OF A NEW SALARY PLAN. THESE SALARY INCREASES, ALONG WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING INCREASES AND THE NEW POSITION THAT WERE ADDED OUTSIDE OF OUR BUDGET CYCLE INCREASED OUR TOTAL PAYROLL OVER $6 MILLION.

SO IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET, THERE IS $2.5 MILLION INCLUDED IN THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET FOR IS SALARY INCREASES TO PLACE INDIVIDUALS IN OUR NEW SALARY CHART SO WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY DONE THE PLACEMENT. WE IMPLEMENTED THE NEW MINIMUM SALARIES AND THERE IS GOING TO BE A RECOMMENDATION MADE TO THE COURT AUGUST 22 REGARDING THE SALARY PLAN ADDITIONALLY 78 NEW POSITIONS REQUESTED IN THE 24 BUDGET.