Mar 14, 2023 Regular

[A. CALL TO ORDER]

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COURT COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONERS

>>J MORNING.

WE LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER IF YOU WILL PLEASE LEAD US

IN OUR INVOCATION. >> LET US BOW.

FATHER IN THE NAME OF JESUS WE COME TODAY THANKING YOU IN THIS TIME OF CHALLENGE AND ISSUES IN THIS WORLD, YOU ARE OUR FIRM FOUNDATION. WE THANK YOU, LORD GOD, WE SEEK YOU FOR YOUR INSIGHT, FOR YOUR DIRECTION, FOR YOUR GRACE, FOR YOUR PEACE FOR THIS LAND AND WE THANK YOU THAT YOU NEVER FAIL.

FOR YOU ARE OUR STANDARD OF RIGHTEOUSNESS THAT WE UPHOLD EVEN IN THIS COURT. SO HAVE YOUR WAY.

LEAD US, DIRECT US, GUIDE US. IT IS IN JESUS'S NAME I PRAY, AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

DR. CARDENAS, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: HERE. >>COMMISISONER COHEN: HERE.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: HERE. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: HERE.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: HERE. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THOSE IN THE

[E. PUBLIC COMMENTS]

UNFORTUNATELY, NO APPLICATION MAY BE TAKEN BY THE COURT AS WE ARE EXPECTED NOT TO RESPOND. ANY QUESTIONS WILL BE TAKEN AS RHETORICAL. ALL COMMENTS ARE THE OPINIONS OF THE SPEAKER AND NOT MEANT TO BE NECESSARILY CONSTRUED AS TRUTH.

PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS AND LANGUAGE CIVIL AND RESPECTFUL OR YOU WILL FORFEIT THE REMAINDER OF YOUR TIME.

IN THE SPIRIT OF RESPECT, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES APPROXIMATELY DR. CARDENAS, WILL YOU PLEASE START WITH THE MAILED

IN VERSION. >>DR. CARDENAS: YES, I WILL.

FROM LISA RODRIGUEZ. OUT OF 13 POSITIONS ORIGINALCALLY CLASSIFIED AT 10 #, THE POSITION OF JUSTICE CLERK WAS ONE OF THE FEW RECLASSIFIED TO THE LOW LEVEL 112.

IN CONTRAST MOST THAT WERE 108 WAS RECLASSIFIED TO 113-115.

OBSERVATION IN RELATION TO EACH OTHER THE SCOPE OF THE JOB DESCRIPTION OF DEPUTY CLERK 2 PROPOSED AT DEPUTY CLERK AND JUSTICE CLERK ARE SIMILAR. DEPUTY CLERK POSITIONS FROM 108-114. WE ASK THAT THE SAME FOR THE JUSTICE CLERK POSITION. WE APPRECIATE THE ATTEMPT TO CREATE A MORE SYSTEMIC PROCESS FOR CLASSIFICATION AND TOTAL COMPETITION FOR ALL POSITIONS, BE FEEL THAT THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE JUSTICE CLERK POSITION DO NOT ACCURATELY AND EQUABLY REFLECT THE SCOPE AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE POSITION. ADDITIONALLY, IT IS IMPORTANT TO STATE THAT GIVEN THAT MANY INDIVIDUALS HAVE LOWER GRADE POSITIONS MAY NOT HAVE UNDERSTOOD THE IMPORTANCE OF THOROUGHLY AND THOUGHTFULLY COMPLETING THE SURVEY.

THIS COULD BE DUE TO ISSUES SUCH OF LACK OF FAITH THAT THE PROCESS WOULD LEAD TO ANY CHANGES AND OR A GENERAL SENSE OF APATHY. MANY OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE OVERWORKED AND UNDERPAID AND FELT THE NEED TO PRIORITIZE THEIR WORKLOAD OFFER COMPLETE ALLEGE SURVEY THAT MAY OR MAY NOT LEAD TO CHANGE. THIS MERITS LOGICAL FLAW AND MORE ASSESSMENT AND ATTENTION TO ENSURE THAT THE VOICES OF STAFF THAT CARRY MUCH OF THE WORK THAT KEEP HAYS COUNTY IN BUSINESS ARE

ACCURATELY CAPTURED. >>JUDGE BECERRA: OKAY, THANK

YOU, MA'AM. >>DR. CARDENAS: SURE.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: NOW WE WILL BEGIN -- WE HAVE A GOT STACK.

WHENEVER WE HAVE A GOOD STACK STAY TIGHT WITHIN THE THREE-MINUTE TIMER. IN FINISH THE SENTENCE AND DON'T MAKE US PULL YOU OFF AND RIDICULOUS AND NECESSARY.

FIRST UP IS JOHN CLARK. >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS JOHN CLARK. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF HAYS COUNTY SINCE THE BE GIVING OF 2020.

NOVEMBER 3, 2020, MY WIFE AND I VOTED AT CITY HALL.

WE GOT THERE A LINE OUT OF THE PARKING LOT TAMPA DUE TO A BACK INJURY, I WENT INSIDE, NOTIFIED THE CLERK OF THAT ISSUE AND I

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UPON CHECKING IN WITH THE CLERK AT TABLE TWO, HE HANDED ME A RIGHT WITH A CODE AND A BALLOT INSTRUCTED ME TO VOTE AT THAT MACHINE LABELED 3. AND AS I WAS VOTING MY WIFE WAS PROCESSED AND INSTRUCTED TO VOTE AT THAT MACHINE LABEL TERMINAL 4. AFTER MAKING MY SELECTIONS AND BALLOTS PRINTED I LOOKED AT MY BALLOT AND CONFUSED AND CONCERNED BECAUSE HE WAS NOT ABLE TO VERIFY THE VOTE BECAUSE NO OFFICES OR NAMES, JUST SQUARES AND RECTANGLES.

I SHOWED THE LADY IN THE BACK DOR AND SAID THERE WAS NO WAY FOR ME TO VERIFY -- OOPS, I AM SORRY.

I SHOWED THE LADY AT THE BACK DOOR AND NO WAY TO VERIFY MY VOTES. SHE STATED IF THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT, THE TABULATOR WILL KICK IT OUT.

I PUT IT IN THE TABULATOR AND DID NOT REJECT IT AND I GOT MY STICKER AND STEPPED OUTSIDE. SHORTLY AFTER, I ASKED HER IF SHE LOOKED AT HER BALLOT. SHE SAID NO.

WE TOOK OURS SELFYSES WITH THE STICKER AS AND WENT ABOUT OUR DAY. ON THE LAYOUT YOU WILL SEE EACH LOCATION IN THE ROWS OF RED, TO HE WAS ARE MULTIPLE BALLOTING STATIONS AND THIS YOU HAD TO GO PAST THE TWO BALLOTING STATIONS THAT WE WERE ASSIGNED TO GET TO THOSE STATIONS, THE EMPTY STATIONS. THEN, OF COURSE, SIX IS WHERE THE TABULATOR WAS AND THE CLERK THAT I SNOWED MY BALLOT TOO.

WHAT I SAW ON THE BALLOT DIDN'T SIT RIGHT.

THE FOLLOWING WEEK I SMOKED OUT TO THE ELECTIONS OFFICE AND TOLD HER WHAT MY BALLOT LOOKED LIKE. SHE SAID THEY DON'T DO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU. I ASKED IF SHE COULD PULL MY BALLOT AND SAID NO WAY TO DO SO TO PROTECT THE VOTER'S PRIVACY.

I STRESSED TO HER THAT IS WHAT DID HAPPEN AND I HOPE SHE LOOKS INTO IT AND I NEVER HEARD BACK. FAST FORWARD TWO YEARS, I ATTENDED A POLL WATCHING TRAINING AND ANOTHER AND A HALF SHARED THE EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE AS I HAD.

JUDGE BECERRA, I SHARED THIS EXPERIENCE WITH YOU A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO AND I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING COME OUT OF THAT.

AND SAD I HEARD THAT THE ELECTIONS OFFICE WILL NO LONGER SEQUENTIALLY THE BALLOTS AS DONE IN THE LAST GENERAL ELECTION.

BEING COMPLACENT AND COMPLICIT IS CONTRARY TO YOUR OATH.

WHAT IS YOUR WORD WORTH. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, SIR.

I APPRECIATE IT. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MR. JAMES

REESE. >> GOOD MOMORNING I HAVE TWO COMMENTS. FIRST PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANT.

EVERY 30 YEARS ON BEHALF OF THE SAN MARCOS ART LEAGUE ACROSS THE STREET WHICH IS A PRIVATE ENTITY THAT DOES BUSINESS ALLEGEDLY AS A NONPROFIT PROMOTING ARTS IN THE AREA HERE OF WHICH THEY GAVE USE OF OCCUPATION OF OUR GROUNDS, COURTHOUSE GROUNDS FOR THE PURPOSE OF SELLING TO PRIVATE VENDORS PRIVATE BOOTH SPACE AT ABOUT $40 A WHACK WITH, SOMETIMES AS MANY AS 40 PEOPLE.

THEY CLEAR $1600 BUCKS ON A DAY'S ACTIVITIES ALL INDICATED B THE PROFIT. WE ARE NOT HERE TO DISCUSS THE MERIT OF PRIVATE BUSINESSES DEDICATED TO PRIVATE PROFIT DOING BUSINESS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY SUCH AS HERE.

I AM ONLY HERE WITH ONE SUGGESTION.

MUCH LESS A REQUEST. THAT THEY START PICKING UP THEIR GARBAGE AFTER THEM INSTEAD OF CRAMMING EVERY LAST TRASH CAN THEY CAN IN THE GROUNDS IF YOU WILL OF THEIR TRASH AND LEAVING IT TO YOUR COUNTY EMPLOYEES TO PICK UP AFTER THEM ON THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS AS IF THEY DON'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY USING OUR TAXPAYER PROPERTY FOR NOTHING.

AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE YOUR CUD STOWED IAN ON A MONTHLY BASIS DREADING THE FACT THAT THE SAN MARCOS ART LEAGUE HAS BEEN THERE THE DAY BEFORE AND ALL OF THE CANS, ALL EIGHT OF THEM AROUND THE PREMISE ARE IF YOU WILL OF TRASH.

BASED ON ALL OF THOSE VENDORS, 40 BOOTHS CRAMMING ALL OF THEIR STUFF HOPEFULLY IN THE CANS INSTEAD OF IN THE LO THE.

THAT IS THE FIRST COMPLAINT HERE.

IF YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT SAN MARCOS ART LEAGUE, THAT WILL BE GREAT. SECONDLY, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING LAST WEEK SOME TIME.

YOU OR YOUR CHIEF OF STAFF MR. VILLALOBOS CALLED THE POLICE TO ASK ME TO TRESPASS ME OUT OF THE PROPERTY.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM IF I GET A NOTICE OR ABILITY TO HEAR WHAT I AM CHARGED WITH. WHEN YOU CALL THE SAN MARCOS

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THEY SAY IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE SITTING ON THE STEPS OVERTHERE REPORTEDLY AND YOUR EYES WERE CLOSED.

WELL, I APOLOGIZE, MR. BECERRA. MY EYES MAY HAVE BEEN CLOSED.

TEN DAYS AGO I SUSTAINED A BROKEN SHOULDER AND SIX BROKEN RIBS IN A BICYCLE ACCIDENT AND NARCOTICS THEY GAVE ME THAT MAKE ME CLOSE MY EYES PERIODICALLY IF I AM SITTING THERE.

BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH ME, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU CALL POLICE THAT HAVE TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.

DAVID PETERSON'S OFFICE, THE CONSTABLE OR THE SHERIFF.

HOWEVER, SAN MARCOS POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE NO MORE AUTHORITY WHEN THEY SET FOOT ON THIS PROPERTY THAN A MAN OFF THE STREET. LASTLY, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS, JUST COME TALK TO ME LIKE A MAN WOULD.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: JUST KNOW I I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT BECAUSE I WOULDN'T DO THAT TO YOU.

THANK YOU. WE HAVE ASSORTED COMMENTS AND THIS IS NICE TO KEEP US GOING. NEXT WE HAVE MARY MITCHELL.

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, JUDGE BECERRA.

I ATTENDED AN EVENT LAST WEEK AND TWO COMPUTER EXPERTS ADDRESSED OUR USE OF MACHINES CONDUCTING OUR ELECTIONS.

COMPUTER EXPERT MARK CONNING AND DEVELOPER CLINT CURTIS.

BOTH SPEAKERS ARE DEMOCRATS. CURTIS IS THE SOFTWARE DEVELOPER THAT WAS HIRED IN 2020 -- 2000 FOR COMPUTERAL FOR RHYTHMS THAT SWITCHED VOTES DURING AN ELECTION.

HE SPECIFICALLY BUILT THE ALGORITHM 51-49 SPLIT IN REACTIONS RESULT PRECISELY SO IT WOULD NOT MEET THE THRESHOLD OF THE RECOUNT. HE DEVELOPED THIS SOFTWARE 20 YEARS AGO AND SINCE BEEN SPEAKING OUT ABOUT HOW OUR GOVERNMENT IS NOW USING HIS WORK AGAINST LEGAL VOTERS IN AMERICA.

HAVING TESTIFIED BEFORE THE U.S. CONGRESS MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, HE STATED TO ME DIRECTLY LAST WEEK, I HOPE YOU WERE ABLE TO FIX OUR ELECTION PROCESS, GETTING RID OF THE MACHINES, BECAUSE I HAVE TRIED FOR 20 YEARS.

EVERYONE KNOWS OR IS LEARNING OF THE LIES WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THE VOTING MACHINES ARE NOT CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET.

REQUIRED THAT THE MODEMS BE INCLUDED IN THE MACHINE'S CONFIGURATIONS? SOME NEIGHBORS, HAVE WE ALL BEEN LIED TO AND LIES AND DECEPTION CONTINUE AS LONG AS WE USE THE VOTING MACHINES. MARK COOK, WHO BEGAN SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT AT THE ABLE OF 13, DESCRIBED HOW EXITER IN UNSECURED PORT AND MAKE CHANGES IN THE ELECTION MACHINE FIRST WITH HIS LAPTOP, THEN WITH HIS IPHONE IN 60 SECONDS.

EXPERTS HAVE BEEN TESTIFYING ABOUT THESE FOR YEARS.

BOTH SPEAKERS CLEARLY EXPLAINED THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN ISSUE.

A LARGE% OF DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ALIKE DO NOT TRUST OUR ELECTIONS. I AND OTHER CONCERNED CITIZENS HAVE ACTUALLY TOUCHED THE EVIDENCE THAT A OUR ELECTION ADMINISTRATOR HAVE ADMINISTERED IN 2020 AND 2022, FROM VOTER REGISTRATION TO ELECTION RESULTS, AND YOU CONTINUE TO CERTIFY THAT -- CONTAINED -- RESULTS THAT CONTAINED ERRORS.

THIS IS A CRIME AGAINST THE CITIZENS OF THIS ACCOUNT IN WHICH YOU SERVE. YOU OFTEN DEMONSTRATE BEHAVIORS THAT CAN ONLY BE DESCRIBED AS ARROGANT AND HUBRIS.

THE USE OF THE COMPUTERS AND NATION COUNTYWIDE POLLING MORE SECURITY FOR OUR ELECTIONS. EVIDENTLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE ELECTIONS, THEY DO NEITHER. WE HAVE TRADED SECURITY FOR CONVENIENCE AND ALLOWED OUR ELECTIONS TO BE RUN BY CORPORATIONS. I ASK THAT WE PLEASE INSTEAD OF A CONTENTIOUS ANNING AISTIC EVENT LIKE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY RECOUNT, THE LAWFUL PROCESS OF HAND COUNTING AND HAND COUNTING

BALLOT UNITES ALL VOTERS. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, MA'AM. NEXT UP IS LAURA NUNN.

>>. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGE BECERRA. I COME BEFORE YOU TODAY TO

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I AM SURE YOU REMEMBER THAT. TE FIRST QUESTION MANY OF US HAD WAS, WHY? IT WOULD MAKE IT INFINITELY EASIER TO SORT OUT ANY DISCREPANCIES IN THE TOTALS.

AND THERE WERE DISCREPANCIES. INSTEAD OF GIVING A REASONED EXPLANATION, THE COUNTY JUDGE, YOU, SIMPLY THREATENED TO REMOVE ANY COUNTER WHO WROTE DOWN THE POLLING LOCATION ON THE TALLY SHEETS. LIKEWISE, ONE LAWYER THREATENED ME DIRECTLY WHO TOLD ME TO WRITE THE POLLING LOCATION ON THE TALLY SHEET, APPARENTLY ASSUMING I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INTELLIGENCE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION ON MY OWN.

I HAVE SUFFICIENT INTELLIGENCE TO RESEARCH AND COMPREHEND THE TEXAS ELECTION CODE. TO THAT POINT THE FOLLOWING LANGUAGE IS MY SOURCE, IS INSTRUCTIVE AND CONTRARY TO WHY YOU ARE DIRECTIVE DURING THE RECOUNT.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO WRITE THIS DOWN.

2134 STATES, QUOTE, EARLY VOTING VOTES TREATED AS PRECINCT.

A, AS SUBSECTION B OF WHICH ELECTION PRECINCTS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE RECOUNT. ALL THE EARLY VOTING VOTES CANVASSED BY A LOCAL CANVASSING WILL CONSTITUTE ONE ELECTION PRECINCT. SUBSECTIONS B WHICH IS THE RELEVANT STATION. EACH EARLY VOTING POLLING PLACE IN WHICH VOTING MACHINES WERE USED SHALL BE TREATED AS CONSTITUTING ONE ELECTION PRECINCT.

ERGO, LBJ STUDENT CENTER WAS RELEVANT TO PUT ON THE TALLY SHEET. YOUR ALLEGED INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW WAS DEFINITIVELY AND PATENTLY IN ERROR.

MY RIGHTS CONTINUE TO BE VIOLATED BY THIS COUNTY TO EXERCISE BALANCE OF 0411 OPINION DATED 8/17/22.

MAKE NO MISTAKE, MY RIGHTS WILL NOT CONTINUE TO BE VIOLATED BY THIS COUNTY, THE ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR AND IN I LAWYER ATTEMPTING TO COERCE VOTERS. TIME FOR TO YOU ACCOUNT FOR YOUR ACTIONS. I AWAIT YOUR RESPONSES JUDGE JUDGE THANK YOU WERE MAN. NEXT UP, MR. RODRIGO AMAYA.

>> THANK YOU, JUDGE, COURT. I WANT TO THANK ALL THE SPEAKERS TO COME UP HERE TO ADDRESS SERIOUS ISSUES.

THE ONLY THING I WISH SOMETHING WOULD BE DONE ABOUT.

WE REPEATEDLY HAVE COMPLAINTS AGAINST ELECTIONS, MISS DORNOFF OUT HERE WITH THE FUNCTION WITH ALL THE TRASH AND STUFF.

TO ME, THIS IS WHERE IT ALL BEGAN, LEGAL ADVICE.

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GET US AN ATTORNEY THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING. I REMEMBER LAST TIME, HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, IT'S GOOD BY MY STANDARDS.

WHEN HE COST US $1.5 MILLION IN THAT LOST PINES WATER DEAL AND EVERYTHING ELSE HE HAS COST US, WHY IS HE STILL EMPLOYED, COURT? WHY? STOP NORMALIZING THIS LETTER OF FAILURE, OKAY. LAST WEEK -- WELL, LAST TIME I WAS HERE, I TALKED TO YOU FOLKS ABOUT LOTS OF ISSUES.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I WANTED TO BRING UP TODAY WAS BACK FEBRUARY 2, PRECINCT 2 COMMISSIONER HAD AN OPEN HOUSE FOR CONSTITUENTS. FOLKS WOULDN'T MAKE IT.

I WENT OUT THERE. THEY NEVER SHOWED UP.

VERY, VERY BAD IMPRESSION. YOU HAVE A MEETING.

YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE IT. I REACHED OUT TO PRECINCT 1 COMMISSIONER. NO ONE EVER GOT BACK.

I HAD A LIST OF QUESTIONS OF THE ROADS AND EVERYTHING ELSE HAPPENING IN PRECINCT 2. I DRIVE UP THE MOUNTAIN ROADS, I FEEL LIKE I AM ON A ROLLER COASTER SIDEWAYS, FORWARD.

YOU KNOW, WHEN IS SOMETHING GOING TO BE DONE ABOUT THAT? THE OTHER THING IS BACK TO PRECINCT 1.

YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER, TO OUR CONSTABLE, PLEASE GET THEM UNDER CONTROL. HE STANDS UP HERE.

HE THREATENS ME. HE ADDRESSES AND POINTS AT ME THAT SAYS ALL THESE THINGS ARE IS UNACCEPTABLE AND YOU ALLOW IT. NEEDS TO HAVE SOMETHING DONE ABOUT IT. HE NO, SIR NO BUSINESS CONDUCTING HIMSELF AT THAT PODIUM THE WEIGH HE DOES.

THE OTHER THEY THINK IS, YOU NEED TO HELP RELEASE THE VIDEO OF THE SHOOTING. NOTHING THAT YOU CAN TELL ME THAT SAYS YOU ARE WITH THAT CAUSE BECAUSE THAT VIDEO IS STILL NOT RELEASED. AS I SAID BEFORE, JUST BECAUSE A RANGERS ON THE CASE DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.

THOSE RANGERS HAVE, THEIR INTEGRITY HAVE BEEN COMPREHENSIVED WITH THE INTERACTIONS I HAD WITH THEM.

THEIR PERFORMANCE IS UNACCEPTABLE.

DO NOT THINK THAT THE TEXAS RANGERS ARE GOD'S GIFT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. THEY ARE NOT, OKAY.

SO DO YOUR PART. IF YOU COME UP HERE AND TALK.THE

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DO YOUR PART. THANK YOU.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, MR. AMAYA.

NEXT UP MR. DAN LYON. >> GOOD MORNING, COMRADES.

IT IS A RARE PRIVILEGE TO APPEAR BEFORE THE DOOM OF THE CONFEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT STATES.

OH, I AM SORRY, THAT WAS A FREUDIAN SLIP, AN HONEST MISTAKE. A PRIVILEGE TO SPEAK TO THE HAYS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT. THERE ARE MANY SIMILARITIES BETWEEN RUSSIA AND HAYS COUNTY, FIXED ELECTIONS, POLICE STATE, EXCESSIVE TAX AGENCIES, NO REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES, SEIZURES OF LANDS FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES, JAILS INTOLERABLE, UNJUST ATTORNEYS, I CAN GO ON AND ON. THE WORST PART OF HAYS COUNTY THAT OUR QUOTE, GOVERNMENT, UNQUOTE, CATERS TO THE DEVELOPERS, ROAD CONTRACTORS AND THE BANKERS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE POOR, THE ELDERLY AND THE POWERLESS.

WE ARE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE RECESSION AND OVER HALF A BILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT. I BELIEVE THAT COMMISSIONER SHELL AND SMITH SAID THAT, QUOTE, GROWTH PAYS FOR ITSELF, UNQUOTE. TELL ME, COMMISSIONERS, WHEN DOES THAT START TO KICK IN? OUR DEBT IS UP TO $2147 FOR EVERY MAN, WOMAN AND SHIELD IN THE COUNTY.

THE FACT THAT IS GROWTH IS NOT PAYING FOR ITSELF.

WE ARE PAYING FOR IT. MORE AND MORE EVERY YEAR WHILE WE SINK EVER DEEPER IN DEBT. IT HAS BECOME ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT THE COURT IS EITHER INNINGS, UNABLE OR BOTH TO BALANCE A BUDGET. IT IS TIME FOR YOU ALL TO STEP DOWN AND GIVE SOMEONE ELSE A CHANCE.

PEOPLE OF HAYS COUNTY ARE BEING CRUSHED UNDER THE WEIGHT OF TAXATION AND UNJUST POLICING. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO RELEASE THE TEAMS OF WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE PRISONER SETON HOSPITAL? IT IS ABOUT TIME THAT YOU ALL START ACTING LIKE A REAL COURT AND STOP BEING SHILLS FOR THE BANKERS AND THE ROAD CONSTRUCTORS AND THE DEVELOPERS. FRANKLY I AM TIRED OF IT.

I AM NOT GOING TO LOSE MY HOUSE BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU.

BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, SIR.

NEXT UP MISS DAPHNE DENOTO. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

MIME DAPHNE TENORIO. YOUR HAYS COUNTY TREASURER.

THREE ITEMS. GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE W-2S.

THEY DID GO OUT PRIOR TO THE JANUARY 30, I ASKED PERMISSION TO MAIL OUR W-2S AS WE WERE NOT GIVEN PIN.

WE RECEIVED THE WAIVER. WE HAVE SUBMITTED ALL WSHLGZ-2S.

ONE QUESTION BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF TIMES BY DIFFERENT EMPLOYEES AND I THOUGHT I WOULD ADDRESS IT TO YOU AS WELL.

NORMALLY THE SOCIAL SECURITY PORTION WILL BE UPLOADED TO THE U.S. SOCIAL SECURITY WEB SITE GIVING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY MADE IN THE THIRD QUARTER PRODUCED WITH THE UPLOAD OF THE ELECTRONIC STATEMENTS; HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN DONE MANUALLY WILL TAKE A WHILE TO UPLOAD THOSE.

THAT IS ONE. THE SECONDARILY POINT IS I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU OF THE TREASURER'S REPORTS THAT WILL START AT THE NEXT MEETING. I DID GIVE YOU A COPY OF THE CURRENT STANDARD ONE WE ARE UTILIZING IN THE PAST.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE ANY CHANGES, I WOULD LIKE TO GET THOSE IDEAS FROM YOU THIS WEEK SO WE CAN PRODUCE AN UPDATED VERSION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THIRDLY, I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT INVESTMENTS. A REPORTER AS STATE CONSTITUTION, I REPORT A INVESTMENTS REPORT THAT WILL BE PRODUCED AND GIVEN TO YOU AT THE END OF THE MONTH.

I WANT TOP LET YOU KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF WEARINESS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE SILICON BANK AREA.

I WANTED TO ASSURE YOU THAT WE ARE COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY COLLATERALIZED. AND I AM WATCHING WITH TX POOL TO ANALYZE ANY CONCERNS WE HAVE WITH OUR INVESTMENT FUNDS TO ENSURE THAT NOTHING THAT IS HAPPENING IN THE SILICON VALLEY IS AFFECTING OUR INVESTMENT PROPERTY.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: WELL-DONE. THANK YOU.

NEXT UP, MR. RANDI FRANKS -- OR MRS. RANDI FRANKS.

THAT IS AN I AT THE END. >> THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. I AM WRITING ON BEHALF OF MY

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HE WROTE THIS LETTER. SOMETHING THAT WILL BE DONE TO HELP HIM AND THE OTHER ONES NOT BEING TREATED.

WHEN HE CAME FROM TDC TO HAYS COUNTY JAIL, HE HAD STAGE 4 CIRRHOSIS OF THE LIVER, AFIB, GALLBLADDER, ESOPHAGEAL, AND SOFTBALL-SIZED UMBILICAL HERNIA. WHEN HE LEVIS SCHEDULED TO SEE A GASTROENTEROLOGISTS AND A COLONOSCOPY DONE.

SENSE BEING HERE FIVE MONTHS, ALL HIS MEDICAL REQUESTS HAVE BEEN IGNORED. THE ONLY PROCEDURES HE HAD DONE WAS A CT SCAN FOR THE FLUID BUILDUP IN HIS ABDOMEN.

HE HAD TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL TWICE FOR THE COMPLICATIONS FROM HIS MEDICAL PROBLEMS. HE IS NOT GETTING HIS MEDICATIONS CORRECTLY. HE WAS GETTING THEM IN TDC, AND THE STAFF AT THE JAIL NEVER -- NEVER WANTED TO CALL TDC TO VERIFY. WOULDN'T LISTEN ME WHEN I TRIED CALLING UP THERE TO GET HIS MEDICINES CORRECTED.

HE SAW A HELP TOLLS TWO WEEKS AGO AND AGAIN -- HEPATOLOGIST TWO WEEKS AGO AND AGAIN PROCEDURES WERE AGAIN AS A FOLLOW-UP FOR THE DOCTOR'S ORDERS.

I HAVE AS OF YET NOT SEEN HIS CARDIOLOGIST WHO IS HERE IN SAN MARCOS. HE HAS PUT IN MEDICAL REQUEST AFTER MEDICAL REQUEST FORMS SINCE COMING HERE TRYING TO GET HIS MEDICAL NEEDS MET. AND I AM EXHAUSTED MYSELF TRYING TO EMPHASIZE THE CRITICAL NEEDS OF HIS MEDICAL CARE.

FINALLY, TWO DAYS AGO, A NEW DOCTOR CAME TO THE JAIL AND ACTUALLY ORDERED PROCEDURES TO BE DONE.

BUT HE HAS YET SEEN -- SEEN THEM.

HAPPEN. SOME OF THESE PROCEDURES ARE DETERMINED TO BE KEEPING -- ARE DETRIMENTAL TO BE KEEPING HIM ALIVE, ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE COMPLICATIONS OR LIFE-THREATENING EN TERM PROBLEMS, WHICH JUST COME TO FIND OUT HE HAS INTERNAL BLEEDING AND THEY ARE JUST IGNORING. THESE PROCEDURES COULD GO TERMINAL IF THEY ARE NOT TREATED.

PLEASE LOOK INTO THE SHORTCOMINGS OF THE MEDICAL STAFF AT THE JAIL. FOR HELP AND FOR SO MANY OTHER ON ONES.

JUST THANK YOU. JUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT -- ABOUT THEM NOT DOING ANYTHING. THANK YOU.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

NEXT UP WE HAVE TATUM SHOOT? >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE BECERRA AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. I AM ALSO SPEAKING OF CYCLE PATH AND THE SYSTEMIC DENIAL OF CITIZENS LEGALLY INNOCENT AND HELD IN PRETRIAL IN THE HAYS COUNTY JAIL.

I AM READING A LETTER ON BEHALF OF MELVIN NICHOLS HELD AS HE WAITS FOR HIS DAY IN COURT AND NEARLY DIED AT LEAST ONE OCCASION BECAUSE OF THE DENIAL OF HIS MEDICAL CARE.

JUDGE BECERRA AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, I AM FORWARDING THIS LETTER TO YOU CONCERN OF MY HEALTH SITUATION IN THE HAYS COUNTY JAIL. BEFORE COMING HERE I NEVER HAD ANY MAJOR HEALTH ISSUES, EVEN AFTER RUSHED TO THE HOSPITAL FOR COVID AND PNEUMONIA. NOTHING WAS TOLD TO ME OF HAVING HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE AND DIABETES.

BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY OF 2022, I LOST MY APPETITE AND I COULDN'T HOLD ANY FOOD IN MY STOMACH. I EXPLAINED TO MEDICAL ON SEVERAL MEDICAL REQUEST FORMS FOR MY CONCERN.

WELL BEFORE ANYONE ANSWERED MY REQUEST ON FEBRUARY 18, I EXPERIENCED A CLOSE CALL TO DEATH WITH A BLOOD SUGAR OF 1667 BLOOD SUGAR COUNT. BY THE TIME THEY TOOK ME TO THE HOSPITAL, I THANK GOD FOR.INMATE LAHE ARE,Y AND THE OFFICER OF RESPONDING TO THE CONCERNS WHEN THEY CAME TO LOOK AT ME. WHEN I WENT IN THE HOSPITAL, A COMA TWO AND A HALF DAYS WAKING UP NOT KNOWING WHERE HE WAS OR WHAT HAPPENED TO ME. AFTER BEING RELEASED FROM THE HOSPITAL SIX AND A HALF DAYS LATER DISCHARGED WITH A DESCRIPTION OF 40 UNITS OF INSULIN ONCE A DAY WHICH I DID NOT RECEIVE FOR 38 DAYS. AND A DIABETIC DIATRIBE THAT.

SINCE MY BOUGHT WITH SUGAR DIABETES, I AM NOT RECEIVING MY MEDICATIONS I AM EXPERIENCING MAJOR CONCERNS OF LUMPS THAT OCCURRED ON MY UPPER ARMS AND THREE NEW ONES ON MY LEFT SIDE

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I HAVE BEEN SUFFERING WITH THESE LUMPS IN MY ARMS FOR NINE MONTHS AND OTHER FOR FOUR MONTHS AND NO ONE SEEMS TO KNOW WHAT CAUSES THEM. I HAVE BEEN SCHEDULED FOR A MRI BUT I COULD NOT GO THROUGH WITH IT BECAUSE OF THE ANXIETY OF THE ACCIDENT THAT I AM IN PRETRIAL FOR.

I AM RESCHEDULED FOR ANOTHER ONE TO GET ME SOME KIND OF MED ESSENTIAL TO GET ME THROUGH THIS.

I HAVE BEEN WAITING THREE FOR THE RESCHEDULING AND PAIN GETS WORSE. THESE PAIN MEDICATIONS DON'T DO ANYTHING FOR THE PAIN I AM HAVING.

AND I FILLED OUT MEDICAL REQUEST FORMS. I HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING FOR ALMOST A YEAR AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED. PLEASE, PLEASE HELP.

I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU THESE ARE PEOPLE ON PRETRIAL.

THESE ARE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND WE CAN NOT LET THEM SUFFER IN PAIN WHILE WE WEIGHT FOR THEIR DAY IN COURT.

NOT JUST A PROBLEM WITH MELVIN NICHOLS BUT MANY PEOPLE IN PRETRAIL IN THE HAYS COUNTY JAIL.

THIS REQUIRES ACTION NOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: JUDGE, CAN WE REQUIRE OR ASK THAT WE BE GIVEN A COPY OF THE TWO LETTERS THAT WERE JUST -- I MEAN, I

WOULD LIKE TO -- >>JUDGE BECERRA: IF YOU DON'T MIND LEAVING COPIES OF YOUR LETTERS WITH US, BECAUSE WE ARE ABSOLUTELY GOING TO FOLLOW-UP. YOU GOT TO KNOW THAT.

WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT. LEAVE IT UP HERE WITH OUR COUNTY CLERK. THAT WILL BE A GREAT DEAL FOR US. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

NEXT UP, MISS ELLE CROSS. C-R-O-S-S.

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. ELLE CROSS AND HERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS IN HAYS COUNTY JAIL WHO FEAR FOR THEIR LIVES. CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING MEDICAL NEGLECT IN THE JAIL ARE ABSOLUTELY EGREGIOUS.

I HOPE AS WE ELEVATE THE STORIES TO YOU YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THE DES OFFICER RAT NEED FOR CHANGE. NOT JUST JOHN THOMAS, NOT JUST MELVIN NICHOLAS, SO MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE WRITTEN TO US TO IF AER FOR THEIR LIVES. THE CURRENT MEDICAL PROVIDER IN THE JAIL IS WELL PATH THAT HAD THEIR CONTRACT RENEWED.

THEY ARE UNDERGOING LAWSUITS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THE MEDICAL ATTENTION TO OUR EN CARS RATED COMMUNITY MEMBERS IS CLOSE TO NOTHING. AS HEARD THROUGH THE PEOPLE JUST SPOKE. PEOPLE ARE HAVING MEDICATIONS TESTED ON THEM EXPERIMENT ALLEY. THEY ARE NOT AGAIN THEIR PRESCRIPTIONS. MEDICATION IS DELIVERED INCONSISTENTLY AND INCORRECTLY. THIS NEGLIGENCE HAPPENS WITH NO ACCOUNTABILITY AND PEOPLE ARE TRULY LEFT WONDERING IF THEY WILL HAVE WHAT THEY NEED TO SURVIVE.

AT THIS POINT NO LIAISON BETWEEN WELL PATH AND THE JAIL AND THE LOVED ONES OF THE INCARCERATED ARE UNABLE TO FIND ANSWERS AND FRUSTRATED NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO GIVE THEM WHAT THEY NEED. THE HAYS COUNTY JAIL IS VIOLATING THE COMMISSION ON JAIL STANDARDS IN SO MANY WAYS AND ONE EXAMPLE OF THAT IS FAILING TO PROVIDE PEOPLE WITH THEIR DOCTOR ARE-PRESCRIBED DIETS FOR DIABETIC NEEDS.

THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE CAN BE DEVASTATING IF NOT FATAL.

THE JAIL DOES NOT NEED MORE BLOOD ON ITS HAND.

HONOR THE OTHER HAND OF WELL PATH'S CONTRACT IS MENTAL CARE WHICH IS NONEXISTENCE AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS ROBUST PREMENTAL CARE AND THOSE UNDERGOING COMPETENCIES AND ALL MENTAL HEALTH CARE THROUGH THE JAIL. I AM NOT HERE IS JUST TO MAKE YOU FEEL BAD AND I KNOW THIS CONCERNS ALL OF YOU AND I HOPE THAT TOGETHER WE CAN MOVE TOWARD A CULTURE OF CARE THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE TORTURE, ABUSE AND NEGLECT IN THE HIDDEN WALLS OF THE HAYS COUNTY JAIL. I HOPE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO REIMAGINE SOLUTIONS THAT CENTER WELLNESS, REHABILITATION AND RESTORATION. I WANT TO NOTE THAT I AM DEEPLY GRATEFUL FOR THE PROGRESS MADE AROUND MENTAL CARE IN OUR COUNTY. AS THE FASTEST GROWING COUNTY IN THE NATION, WE CAN NOT AFFORD TO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY.

WE CAN NOT AFFORD TO LET THE JAIL TO WAREHOUSE THOSE WHO NEED THE MOST HELP IN OUR COMMUNITY AT THE COST OF TAXPAYERS WHO FUND ENDLESS CYCLING BECAUSE THE GENTLEMAN I WILL IS NOT A SOLUTION AND WE NEED TRUE SOLUTIONS THAT INTERRUPTS THIS CYCLING BEFORE THEY EVER REACH THE INCARCERATION SYSTEM.

THANK YOU. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, MISS

[F1. Adopt a Proclamation recognizing March 24, 2023 as World TB Day for Hays County. INGALSBE/T.CRUMLEY]

>> ADOPT A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING MARCH 24, 2023 AS

WORLD TB DAY. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: SO

MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> WHEREAS ONE QUARTER OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION IS AFFECTED

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UNTIL 2021, TB WAS THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH FROM A SINGLE INFECTIOUS 5G9 AND NOW FALLS SECOND BEHIND COVID-19.

THE U.S. ACCOUNTED FOR 7860 TUBERCULOSIS CASES.

AND WHEREAS, IN 2021, TUBERCULOSIS CAUSED DISEASE IN 991 RESIDENTS IN TEXAS, A RATE OF 2.7 PER 100,000 AND INCREASE OF 9.4% FROM 2020 AND 79 CASES WERE REPORTED FROM 12 OUT OF 30 COUNTIES THAT MAKE UP REGENT 7. HAYS COUNTY REPORTED FOUR.

TRAVIS COUNTY REPORTED 44. WILLIAMSON REPORTED 12.

TRAVIS COUNTY REPORTED 7TH GREATEST NUMBER OF CASES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. WHEREAS, TEXAS IS ONLY SECOND TO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA FOR OF THE NUMBER OF REPORTED CASES OF TB, ACCORDING TO THE CDC. AND RISK FACTORS EFFECTING THE ELIMINATION IN TEXAS IS HIGH POPULATION OF NONU.S. BORN, 62%.

LARGE HISPANIC POPULATION, 52%. BORDER TO MEXICO WHICH IS NUMBER ONE 1 OUT OF THE TOP 5 COUNTRIES.

AND A LARGE POPULATION AFFECTED BY DIABETES, 27%.

WHEREAS, MULTIDRUG RESISTANT TB CASES IN THE UNITED STATES WAS 77 IN 2021 AND TEXAS HAD SEVEN VERIFIED CASES OF MULTIPLE DRUG RESISTANT FORMS OF TUBERCULOSIS AND SPREAD OF THESE ORGANIZE NECHLS OF OUR GOAL TO ELIMINATE TUBERCULOSIS.

CUMULATIVE TB IS VERY CONTAGIOUS AND MAKES 79% OF THE CASES AND TREATMENT IS CRITICAL IN HALTING THE SETTLE OF TRANSMISSION JUST AS TREATING THE INFECTION IS CRITICAL FOR TREATING TB DISEASE. WHEREAS, IT IS ESTIMATED THAT OVER ONE MILLION TEXAS RESIDENTS ARE AFFECTED WITH TB AND NOT CURRENTLY CONTAGIOUS 10% OF LIFETIME RISK OF DEVELOPING TB DISEASE IF NOT TREATE PREVENTABLY.

FINDING THESE TEXAS RESIDENTS IS HOW TO ELIMINATE TB AND GET TEXAS TO THE CLOSER OF THE UNITED STATES AVERAGE OF 2.4 CASES PER 100,000 IN 2021. WHEREAS, THE STATE OF TEXAS AND HAYS COUNTY LOCAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT ARE UNITED TO SUPPORT THE INDIVIDUALS, FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES AFFECTED BY TB.

AND RENEW OUR COMMITMENT OF PREVENTING THE SPREAD OF TB BY PUBLIC AWARENESS AND CONTINUING OUR PREVENTIVE EFFORTS.

WHEREAS, QUOTE, WE CAN MAKE HISTORY AND TB, END QUOTE, RAISE AWARENESS OF THE INTERNATIONAL HEALTH THREAT PRESENTED BY TUBERCULOSIS. THE CCENTERS OF DISEASE CONTROL THE STATE OF TUBERCULOSIS JOINED WITH REGION 7 OF TUBERCULOSIS PREVENTION PROGRAM, HAYS COUNTY, AND HAYS COUNTY LOCAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO INVITE ALL HEALTH PROVIDERS AND RESIDENTS OF HAYS COUNTY, TEXAS, TO RECOGNIZE WORLD TB DAY, MARCH 24,2023.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT PRO CLAIMED THAT THE HAYS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT DOES HEARBY PROCLAIM THE 24TH DAY OF MARCH, 2023, AND WORLD TB DAY IN HAYS COUNTY, ADOPTED THIS, THE 14TH

DAY OF MARCH, 2023. >>JUDGE BECERRA: VERY WELL WRITTEN AND READ. CALL THE ROLL.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: YES. >>COMMISISONER COHEN: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: YES. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: HERE.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: YES. COMMISSIONER ENGLEWOOD, ANY

COMMENTS? >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: YES, JUDGE, HE BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME INDIVIDUALS FROM OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT HERE AND MA I CAN WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS, BUT REALLY WOULD LIKE TO THANK THEM FOR ALL THE WORK THEY DO AND FOR BRINGING THIS PROCLAMATION TO OUR COURT AND THE AWARENESS IT GIVES US, JUDGE, AND OUR COUNTY.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: STATE YOUR NAME AND ITEM.

>> I AM AMY WOLF, THE COMMUNION CAABLE DISEASE COORDINATOR FOR THE COUNTY. THE PROCLAMATION IS ALWAYS DONE -- WORLD TB DAY IS DONE BEFORE THE CDC OFFICIALLY RELEASES THE PRIOR YEAR NUMBERS. I DIDN'T WANT TO COME EMPTY-HANDED AND PRESENT THE NUMBERS OF 2022 FOR HAYS COUNTY.

WE HAD 30 LATENT TB CASES. WE RETURNED OUT 31.

WE TREATED TEN IMMIGRATION CASES SENT TO US BY THE CDC.

WE HAD OVER 134 REFERRALS SENT TO US.

SEVEN INDIVIDUALS REFUSED TREATMENT AS IT IS THEIR RIGHT IF THEY ARE IN. WE HAVE TWO CASES, FIVE SUSPECTS

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BUT WITH THAT ONE CASE, WE BROUGHT IN 150 CONTACTS THAT HAD TO BE REACHED, HAD TO BE TESTED, AND HAD TO BE SCREENED.

THAT IS WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TOP TREAT AS MANY LATENT CASES AS WE CAN BECAUSE IF NOT, IN THE U.S., UNFORTUNATELY, A HUGE DELAY IN IDENTIFYING TB AS A CASE. THAT MEANS THEY WALK AROUND US, AND THE CONTACT NUMBERS GROW. 2023 AS OF TODAY, WE TREATED 11 LATENT CASES. 10 HAVE BEEN RULED OUT.

ONE IMMIGRATION CASE AND BEGUN LAST YEAR AND THIS YEARS, FOUR UNITED FOR UKRAINE CASES -- OR INVEST INVESTIGATIONS. ONE CASE CURRENTLY THAT LED TO AN AIRLINE NOTIFICATION. WE HAD 38 REFERRALS.

WE ARE BUSY. THE NUMBERS CONTINUE TO GROW AND WE APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT NOT ONLY FROM THE COUNTY, FROM THE STATE, FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHO ALLOWS US TO GIVE THE MEDICATIONS FOR FREE. THANK YOU.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND THANK YOU FOR HELPING US ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT FRONT.

COMMISSIONER, DO YOU WANT TO DO A PICTURE?

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: SURE. >>JUDGE BECERRA: IF YOU GUYS WILL COME UP FOR A PICTURE. GET A GOOD PHOTO OP.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU ALL HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY. WILL YOU PLEASE OPEN F-2.

[F2. Adopt a Proclamation recognizing March 18, 2023 as Public Defender Day in Hays County. INGALSBE/SHELL]

>> F 2, ACOLD FRONT A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING MARCH 18, 2023 AS PUBLIC DEFENDER DAY IN HAYS COUNTY.

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: PLEASE READ. >> 60 YEARS AGO, THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT ISSUED ON MARCH 18, 1963 THE LANDMARK OPINION OF GIDEON VERSUS WAINWRIGHT THAT THE SIXTH AMENDMENT OF RIGHT TO COUNSEL FOR THOSE WHO COULD NOT AFFORD IT IN CERTAIN CASES WHERE THEIR LIBERTY WAS AT RISK.

HAYS COUNTY VALUES ALL RESIDENTS AND RIGHTS TO COUNSEL REGARDLESS OF THEIR ABILITY TO AFFORD SUCH COUNSEL.

WHEREAS, THE ATTORNEYS SOCIAL WOKERS, MITIGATION SPECIALISTS, INVESTIGATORS AND OTHER HARD-WORKING PROFESSIONALS TASKED AND PROVIDING LEGAL SERVICES TO OTHERWISE WHO COULD THE AFFORD IT ARE OVERLOOKED AND UNSUNG.

PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF TO HE WAS WHO CANNOT AFFORD COUNSEL, WORK TO MAINTAIN BALANCE OF FAIRNESS IN THE LEGAL SYSTEM AND ENSHRINE THE FUNDAMENTAL VALUE OF ALL TEXAN FOR GOVERNMENT OVERREACH AND UPHOLD LIBERTY WHEREVER POSSIBLE.

AND ORGANIZATIONS, AND INDIVIDUALS IN HAYS COUNTY PROVIDE THESE CRUCIAL SERVICES TOGETHER AND SEPARATELY THAT MAKE OUR COUNTY A BETTER, MORE EQUITABLE PLACE FOR ALL TO LIVE AND WHEREAS, HAYS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT HAS CREATED AND FUNDED A PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE TO PROVIDE PEOPLE WHO OTHERWISE CANNOT AFFORD A LAWYER IF HE CAN TESTIFY AND EQUAL REPRESENTATION IN A CRIMINAL COURT OF LAW.

NOW, THEREFORE, IT BE RESOLVED THAT THE HAYS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT DOES HEARBY ARE HE CAN NICE MARCH 18, 2023, AS PUBLIC DEFENDER DAY IN HAYS COUNTY, TEXAS, ADOPTED THIS THE

14TH DAY OF MARCH 2023. >>JUDGE BECERRA: SO WELL WRITTEN. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: HERE. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: YES.

>>COMMISISONER COHEN: YES. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: YES.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: YES. AND I KNOW WE HAVE OUR FRESHLY MINTED PDO HERE, REPRESENTATIVES.

WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF YOU TAKE THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND TITLE FOR THE VIEWING PUB

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PUBLIC. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS, A PLEASURE TO BE HERE.

MY NAME IS JEFF HOLE. I AM THE CHIEF PUBLIC DEFENDER AND SUPERVISING ATTORNEY AT NEIGHBORHOOD DEFENDER SERVICE, HAYS COUNTY, TEXAS, THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE.

I AM JOINED BY MANY OF THE NEW EMPLOYEES HERE OF THE.

HAYS COUNTY PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE AND I AM HONOR TO BE HERE WITH THEM. I PROUDLY SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION TO RECOGNIZE ALL THE PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTY WHO WORK SO HARD TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO INDIGENT DEFENDANTS.

EMPLOYEES OF PUBLIC DEFENDER OFFICES, MEMBERS OF THE PRIVATE BAR, WHO ACCEPT COURT APPOI APPOINTMENTS, INVESTIGATORS, SOCIAL WORKERS, SUPPORT STAFF, AND EXPERTS WHO OFTENTIMES ACCEPT SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED PAY OR PROVIDE WORK FOR FREE TOP WORK TOWARD A TEXAS WHERE JUSTICE IS BLIND TO POWER AND PREV LEDGE.

THANK YOU. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP FOR A

PICTURE? >> ABSOLUTELY.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: PLEASE, THE WHOLEWOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP WHOLEWHOLE TEAM.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: BEAUTIFUL. AND THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: DR. CARDENAS, WILL YOU PLEASE -- WAIT A MINUTE

BARB MR. RODRIGO AMAYA. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE, APPRECIATE THAT. I WANTED TO TALK OF THE PROCLAMATION. I READ THE LANGUAGE.

I HEARD IT. EARLIER SPEAKERS COME UP AND TALK ABOUT PROMOTING A CULTURE OF CARE.

PEOPLE FEARING FOR THEIR LIVES UP AT THE JAIL.

MEDICAL SOME MEMBERS OF THE ADMINISTRATION SHERIFF'S OFFICE. LOOK AT THE REACTION TO ALL THESE COMPLAINTS. NOT A CARE IN THE WORLD.

I HOPE THIS O CREATED DOES FOLLOW WHAT THAT GENTLEMAN COME UP HERE AND SAID IT SHALL PROUDLY SUPPORTS.

AND THEY TALK OF WORKING WITH LESS THAN CHEAPER WAGES AND ALL THAT STUFF. THAT IS USUALLY A REQUIREMENT BY THE STATE BAR FOR ATTORNEYS TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, FREE SERVICES. IT IS RECOMMENDED.

TO BUILD A GOOD RAPPORT WITH THE PUBLIC.

SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU SHOULD GIVE SUB STANDARD LEGAL SERVICE; HOWEVER, IT HAS BEEN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH ALL THESE COURT-APPOINTED ATTORNEYS THAT IS WHAT THEY GET.

1996, A FRIEND OF MINE DIED IN JAIL.

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HE DIED. TOOK HIM TO AUSTIN.

EIGHT TO TEN HOURS LATER AN AUTOPSY WAS CONDUCTED AFTER THEY COVERED IT. YOU.

THE MOM TRIES TO FIGHT. MY OLDER BROTHER KILLED IN '08, A DEPUTY IN 12 AND A HALF YEARS AND HE WAS THERE WHEN THEY TOOK OUT MY FRIEND DEAD, AND HE CAME TO ME SCARED.

HE SAID, HEY, YOUR MAN WAS TAKEN OUT WITHOUT A HEARTBEAT YESTERDAY AND PASSED AWAY. SO ALL THESE STORIES, COURT, THAT YOU ALL HEARD, NOTHING NEW. IT HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR YEARS.

WHAT ARE YOU DONE ABOUT IT? MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. YOU ARE JUST PART OF THE PROBLEM. YOU HAVE NOT MADE ANY KIND OF CHANGE TIME PROVE THOSE CONDITIONS.

SO LISTEN TO THIS. ALL OF US HAVE BEEN IN THAT JAIL FOR YEARS. YOU ARE IN PA POSITION.

YOU SENT THESE PRETTY LITTLE PAPERWORK.

I TOLD THE GUY FROM THE CITY YOU CAN HAVE THE BEST PAPERWORK, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT PERSON WITH THE RIGHT ATTITUDE TO ENFORCE THE STATEMENT, YOU WILL GET THE SAME KIND OF STUFF THAT WE HAVE NOW, COMPLAINT, COMPLAINT, COMPLAINT, COMPLAINT, COMPLAINT. LAWSUITS.

THAT IS WHAT ACLU IS SUPPOSED TO BE COMING OUT TO THE JAIL.

YOU GOT OUT HERE -- THE DEPUTY THE PRESIDENT OF THE LIONS CLUB.

I'M HERE WITHOUT A CARE IN THE WORLD WITH PEOPLE IN JAIL BEING NEGLECTED MEDICALY, ABUSED, SHOT.

AND THIS PROCLAMATION EVEN THOUGH THE LANGUAGE SOUND ENCOURAGING, IT'S JUST TALK. I WANT TO SEE SOMETHING, FOLKS.

WE ALL WANT TO SEE SOMETHING. AND IT STARTS HERE.

ACCOUNTABILITY. BUT YOU HAVE TO IT BE TRAINED TO

KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, MR. AMAYA AND THIS NEW OFFICE THAT WE CREATED AS A UNIFIED COURT HAS BEEN SUCH A BLESSING AND I KNOW IT IS A BRAND-NEW THING AND A BRAND-NEW ENERGY. AND WE WILL, WITH OPEN ARMS AND OPTIMISM, SUPPORT THEM IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE, INCLUDING SUPPORTING HELPING THEM LOCATE THEIR BRAND-NEW OFFICE LOCATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COM

[F3. Adopt a Proclamation recognizing March 2023 as Women's History Month to recognize the women of Hays County. BECERRA]

>>DR. CARDENAS: F-3, ADOPT A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING MARCH 2023 AS WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH TO RECOGNIZE THE WOMEN OF HAYS

COUNTY. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: SO

MOVED. >> SECOND.

JUDGE JUDGE PLEASE READ IT. >>DR. CARDENAS: WHEREAS WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE LAND OF WHICH WE STAFFED OF PEOPLE CURRENTLY LABELED HISPANIC HAVE LIVED AND THRIVED FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE THE UNITED STATES, TEXAS, OR HAYS COUNTY WAS FORMED.

WHEREAS, HAYS COUNTY HAS COUNTLESS WOMEN WHO FOUGHT TIRELESSLY AND COURAGEOUSLY THROUGHOUT HISTORY FOR EQUALITY, JUSTICE AND OPPORTUNITIES INCLUDING ONE EARLY REP REPORTED TEJANA, CRUZ, WHO 640 ACRES NEAR WIMBERLY IN 1854.

1855 WAS DEEDED ALL LIVESTOCK BRANDED WITH HER HUSBAND'S CATTLE BRAND MAKING HER THE ONLY FEMALE MEXICAN LANDOWNER LISTED IN THE 1806 CENSUS. WHEREAS, PAULINE HE IS.

>> I KNOW IS A ANOTHER TRAIL-BLAZING TEJANA IN THE 1930S ONE OF THE FIRST FEMALE BUSINESS OWNERS IN SAN MARCOS WHEN WOMEN WERE NOT TYPICALLY IN THE WORK FORCE.

AND WHEREAS, IN 1937, THE CITY OF KYLE ELECTED MARY KILE HARTSON OF MAYOR BY WRITE-IN VOTE AND THE ONLY TEXAS TOWN WITH AN ALL-WOMEN GOVERNMENT. WHEREAS IN 1909, LINDA RODRIGUEZ THE FIRST COURT OF LAW JUDGE. AND.

1995 ALREADY MARGIE VILAPONDO WAS APPOINTED AND IS YOU IS HE KWEPTLY ELECTED AS THE FIRST FEMALE HAYS COUNTY CLERK.

WHEREAS IN 1997, DEBBY GONZALEZ INGALSBE, THE FIRST FEMALE COMMISSIONER ON OUR HAYS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT.

IN 2007, ELIZABETH SUMTER BECAME THE FIRST WOMAN TO HOLD THE SEAT OF COUNTY JUDGE. AND WHEREAS IN 2010, FIVE WOMEN, VAS GEZ FILO, SALA SALAZAR, COSTILLO, ELPONTA FOUNDED CENTRO SAN MARCOS TO CELEBRATE AMERICAN WOMEN DIVERSITY. UNITED STATES SELECTED THE FIRST WOMAN VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS AND A NUMBER OF RECORD FEMALE CABINET SECRETARIESND OTHER WOMEN SEATING AT A TABLE WHERE DECISIONS ARE MADE. THE HAYS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WERE CLAIM MARCH 2023 WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH.

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2023. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WELL WRITTEN. ALTHOUGH WHEN IT COMES TO HISTORY IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE GET IT RIGHT.

AND SOME PEOPLE SAY, WELL, WHO CARES.

WELL, THIS STORY IS THIS WAY. WELL, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T LEAVE PEOPLE OUT OF ANY STORY, NO MATTER WHAT.

I WILL SAY AS A. SOER OF THIS AGENDA ITEM.

BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THERE WAS A SMALL OMISSION, ERRONEOUS.

UNINTENTIONAL OMISSION. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE -- SINCE YOU ARE SO CLOSE TO THE PODIUM. TELL US THE OMISSION SO WE CAN SPEAK IT IN OUR COURT AND EDIT THE DOCUMENT.

>> IT WILL -- ANITA COLLINS, COMMUNITILY ASDMRON FOR THE HAYS COUNTY JUDGE AND HERE AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COUNCIL OF THE INDIGENOUS AND TEJANO COMMUNITY.

THE OMISSION, HOPEFULLY NOT TOO MANY, BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT JUDGE BECKY SIERRA WAS ONE OF THE FIRST FEMALE HISPANIC JUSTICE OF THE PEACE. WAS THE FIRST HISPANIC JUSTICE OF THE PEACE. AND THERE WAS A FEMALE -- ANOTHER -- FOR ANOTHER PRECINCT JUSTICE OF THE PEACE.

SO SHE WAS NOT -- NEITHER ONE OF THEM WAS IN THE PROCLAMATION.

WE CAN CHANGE IT TO INCLUDE THEM, BUT THAT IS -- THAT'S THE OMISSION. JUDGE JUDGE THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO. THIS WAS NO NOT A HISPANIC WOMEN'S POINT. IT WAS A WOMEN'S POINT.

WITH THAT SMALL ITEM BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, I WAS -- I LOVE MY SLEEP AND LOVE MY GOOD SLEEP WITH A CLEAN CONSCIOUS.

I LEAVE IT ALL OUT ON THE FIELD. THAT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION AND WE NOT ONLY ADD JUDGE SIERRA TO IT AND NAMING THE FIRST AS WELL. WE WILL ADD IT TO THE PROCLAMATION AND SEEN THIS ONE FOR THE PICTURE BUT CREATE A NEW ONE THAT WILL BE THE OFFICIAL ONE.

WITH THAT ADDITION, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

>> I WILL REDO MY SECOND. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU.

I GUESS WE WILL CALL THE ROLL. AND IT THEN YOU SPEAK.

OR DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK FIRST. >> EITHER WAY.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>>COMMISSIONER COHEN: YES. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: YES. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: YES.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: YES. >> OKAY, GREAT, AGAIN, ANITA COLLENS AS THE COMMUNITY LIAISON FOR THE HAYS COUNTY JUDGE AND COUNCIL OF THE INDIGENOUS AND TEJANO COMMUNITY.

THIS PROCLAMATION WAS WRITTEN FOR -- TO RECOGNIZE THE WOMEN OF HAYS COUNTY FOR WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH.

WE DO HAVE A FEW THAT WERE NAMED IN THE PROCLAMATION.

I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO STAND AT THIS TIME.

AND SO THAT WE CAN RECOGNIZE THEM.

SO IF YOU WERE NAMED, YES, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND I APPRECIATE THEM.

. >>JUDGE BECERRA: WE CAN HAVE A

PICTURE. >> WE CAN HAVE A PICTUREA. A COUPLE OF WOMEN WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

COMMENTS -- >> JUDGE, I WAS ALERTED TO THE FIRST BLACK JUSTICE OF THE PEACE, JUDGE BRYANT.

>> I APPRECIATE THE RESOLUTION AND I HOPE IN THE FUTURE WE DEFINITE WORK WITH THE HISTORIC COMMISSION BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE FOLKS KOERNTED WITH THE DRIFTWOOD HISTORICAL CON ADMINISTER VATION SOCIETY HAS A GREAT RECORD OF THE WOMEN WHO SERVE OUR COUNTY IN VARIOUS AREAS GEOGRAPHICALLY THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND HOPE THAT WE COORDINATE WITH US.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: THE FIRST PASS AND THEY WILL MAKE IT MORE COMPLETE NEXT YEAR AND MORE COMPLETE THE FOLLOWING.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. >> THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THE CENTRO WOMEN. THRE WERE FIVE OF US.

I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER BIT OF HISTORY.

MY NAME IS MARGIE. I AM UP WITH OF FIVE FOUNDERS OF THE CENTRO OF SAN MARCOS. THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT. BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE GAIN RECOGNITION IN 2010 BECAUSE THAT IS THE TIME THAT WE HURRICANE WATCH A BUILDING. WE WERE ABLE TO RENT THE BUILDING, THE SCHOOL FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THAT WAS NOT WHEN WE STARTED. WE STARTED ABOUT -- THE FIVE OF US EACH OF HUSBAND A DUTY TO TRY TO GET CENTRO ORGANIZED.

FIRST WE HAD TO HAVE A NONPROFIT STATUS.

THEN WE HAD TO GO BEFORE THE STATE TO GET A CHARTER.

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AND AND WORKED ON IT THAT IS HOW WE ORGANIZED TEN YEARS BEFORE 2010. EVENTUALLY THE STEERING COMMITTEE GREW BECAUSE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WANTED TO BE PART OF IT. THAT IS WHEN WE STARTED AND THINGS HAPPENED WITH MUSIC LESSONS FOR STUDENTS.

HELP THEM WITH THEIR HOMEWORK. OH, THE COMMUNITY COULD COME IN AND HAVE A PLACE COME AND MEET AND TELL ABOUT THE HISTORY.

THAT IS HOW IT GREW TO WHAT IT IS TODAY.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: BEAUTIFUL. A GREAT CONTRIBUTION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP FOR A PICTURE OR SOMEONE ELSE TO

SPEAK. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. I AM BORN AND BLESSED IN SAN MARCOS. AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT FOR OUR CENTRO.

THE COMMUNITY HAS EMBRACED OUR CENTER AND WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO. OUR LATE FOUNDER LEFT US WITH A LOT OF IMPORTANT DOCUMENTATION AND INFORMATION.

WE HAVE PROBABLY 40 TO 50 FILES. OUR WORK IS NOT DONE.

IT HAS BEEN A GREAT JOURNEY, AND THANK YOU.

JUDGE JUDGE THANK YOU, WOMEN. LET'S COME UP FOR A PICTURE, PLEASE.

. >> JUDGE, I WOULD HIKE TO INVITE ALL WOMEN TO COME COME UP FOR WOMEN'S

[K3. Presentation, discussion, and possible action of Classification and Compensation Study Report by Management Advisory Group International. BECERRA/MILLER (Part 1 of 2) ]

>> DR. CARDENAS, GO TO K-3. >>DR. CARDENAS: PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION OF COMPENSATION REPORT BY MANAGEMENT ADVISORY GROUP INTERN

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INTERNATIONAL. >>JUDGE BECERRA: WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL WANTING TO SPEAK. JUDGE HALL.

TO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER. >> AFTER, PLEASE.

>> MY NAME IS DR. RUSSELL CAMPBELL, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT,

MANAGEMENT. >>JUDGE BECERRA: BEAUTIFUL.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR US TODAY? >> WELL, THIS MORNING, WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO TALK OF THE RECENTLY COMPLETED COMPENSATION CLASSIFICATION STUDY.

JUST TOUCH ON BRIEFLY SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES, THE TIMELINE, AND SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP SINCE THE FINAL REPORT WAS PRESENTED EARLIER THIS THE WEEK.

AND SO, IN THE INTEREST OF IF YOU WILL DISCLOSURE, I WAS NOT THE INITIAL PROJECT DIRECTOR FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT I CAME AND GOT INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT AFTER I CAME OUT ON FEBRUARY 9 AND IN ET WITH A GROUP OF ELECTED AND APPOINTED DEPARTMENT HEADS TO DISCUSS THE DRAFT REPORT, WHICH THEY HAD NOT SEEN PRIOR TO MY ARRIVAL. THEY RECEIVED COPIES OF IT THE DAY I ARRIVED ON FEBRUARY 9. IT CREATED A BIT OF CONTROVERSY AND CONFUSION IN THAT THE LEADERSHIP FELT THAT THEY NEEDED MORE TIME TO ASSESS WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO THEM IN THAT MEETING. AND I WAS SCHEDULED TO ACTUALLY PRESENT TO THE COMMISIONERS COURT LATER THAT AFTERNOON.

UNTIL IT BECAME APPARENT TO ME I COULD NOT GO FORWARD AND PRESENT THE STUDY BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT HEADS DID NOT HAVE AMPLE TIME TO LOOK IT OVER AND QUESTIONS I HAD OF SOME OF THE FIND WILLING IN THE INITIAL DRAFT. I THOUGHT THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WE EITHER DID NOT FULLY CAPTURE OR YUMD STAND IN THE REPORT AND MAYBE NEEDED TO BE LOOKED AT AGAIN.

AND I THINK THERE WAS SOME ISSUES IN TERMS OF THE INFORMATION WE GATHERED FROM THE HAYS COUNTY THAT GENERATED SOME QUESTIONS ON OUR END. SO IN FAIRNESS TO EVERYBODY, IT MADE MORE SENSE TO DELAY THE FINAL PRESENTATION AND GIVE MORE TIME FOR THE REVIEW. ALSO, IT WAS DECIDED THAT I WOULD COME BACK FEBRUARY 22, 23, AND PART OF THE DAY ON THE 4TH AND MEET INDIVIDUALLY WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO GIVE WITH THEM OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH ME CONCERNS FROM THE INITIAL DRAFT, AND SPECIFIC INSTANCES WHERE THEY HAD RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION DIFFICULTIES. SO I HELD THOSE MEETINGS AND MET WITH VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT HEAD AND ELECTED OFFICIALS TO DISCUSS THEIR CONCERNS AND NEEDS GOING FORWARD. SO DURING THE COURSE OF THOSE MEETINGS, A NUMBER OF THINGS CAME OUT.

AND I DID SHARE WHEN I DID COME OUT ON FEBRUARY 9, I FELT FIRM HAD SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR SOME OF THE OTHER ROARS IN THAT INITIAL DRAFT. IF SOME INFORMATION WAS NOT CLEAR OR ARTICULATED TO THE.WHERE THE STAFF UNDERSTOOD IT, THEN ONUS ON STAFF TO COME BACK TO THE CLIENT, THE COUNTY, AND MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS BEING PRESENTED.

SO I THINK WE HAD NO, MA'AM CULPABILITY OF MISTAKES IN THE STAFF REPORT. AS THE SENIOR PERSON OF THE ANALYSIS WITHIN THE FIRM, I DECIDED TO TAKE OVER THE STUDY AND BRING IT TO COMPLETION. I HAVE EXTEND SELF EXPERIENCE IN DOING THIS TYPE OF WORK. HE DONE 250 OF THESE STUDIES AROUND THE COUNTRY. I HAVE DONE SEVERAL HIGH-PROFILE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. I FINISHED A PROJECT IF THE HOUSTON INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT, FOURTH LARGEST IN THE COUNTRY THAT RESULTED IN A $27 MILLION IMPLEMENTATION PLAN TO INCREASE SALARIES FOR BOTH TEACHERS AND NONTEACHERS AND IT WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY AND BEING IMPLEMENTED OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND COMPLETED INGAL VALUESTON COUNTY AND WITCH TALL FALLS, $5 MILLION OF IMPACT TO PAYROLL.

AS SOMEONE WHO HAS DONE THIS IN PUBLIC SECTOR AND PRIVATE SECTOR, I FELT I BROUGHT AN UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES PRESENTED DURING MY MEETINGS AND THE INFORMATION I FOUND IN THE DRAFT REPORT. SO ONE THING THAT HAS BECOME CLEAR THAT THE COUNTY HAS GROWN RATHER RAPIDLY.

I HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHEN I CAME ON-SITE THAT IT IS THE FASTEST-GROWING COUNTY IN THE COUNTRY.

GREAT TO LIVE HERE. HIGHLY QUALITY OF LIFE.

I WAS SURPRISED. MY FIRST TRIP TO COME OUT TO HAYS COUNTY, SAN MARCOS. IT IS REALLY A PLEASANT PLACE TO LIVE. A LOT OF WARM AND FRIENDLY PEOPLE. I DO BELIEVE THAT THE COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE HAS NOT KEPT PACE WITH THAT GROWTH.

WITH RESPECT TO RESOURCES AND PERSONNEL IN THE DIFFERENT

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AND YOU ARE IN A TOUGH SITUATION BECAUSE YOU ARE DEALING BIGGER ENTITIES LIKE AUSTIN, THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND TRAVIS COUNTY WITH THE SAME SKILL SET. YOU ARE FISH IN THE SAME POND.

WE CAME IN AND DID TWO THINGS. THIS IS NOT UNIQUE TO OUR APPROACH WITH HAYS COUNTY, BUT THIS IS HOW TYPICALLY COMPENSATION STUDIES ARE STARTED.

THE FIRST THING WE WANTED TO DO AFTER WE WERE AWARDED THE CONTRACT WHICH IS IN LATE JUNE, 2022.

AND IN JULY, WE SENT A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION DOCUMENT WE WANTED COPES OF POLICIES RELATED TO SALARY ADMINISTRATION, EXISTING JOB DESCRIPTIONS, ORGANIZATIONAL CHARTS, COPIES OF EXISTING STUDIES. AND WE PROVIDED AN XCEL FILE THAT WE NEEDED TO POPULATION WITH ALL THE CURRENT EMPLOYEE INFORMATION. NAMES, DEPARTMENTS, HIRE DATES, NORMALLY TANKS TWO OR THREE WEEKS TO GET THAT INFORMATION.

IT TOOK TWO MONTHS CONTINUE TO GET THAT TOGETHER.

THAT IN ITSELF SHOULD HAVE TRIGGERED IN OUR END QUESTIONS WHY IT TOOK SO LONG TO POPULATE THAT SPREADSHEET WITH BASIC INFORMATION ON THE PEOPLE CURRENTLY ON THE PAYROLL.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: JUST FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC AND YOU ARE BEING VERY POLITE. YOU ARE BEING POLITE BUT THE MISTAKE IN GETTING THAT INFORMATION, THE DELAY IN GETTING THE INFORMATION WAS ON OUR SIDE, NOT YOURS.

>> YES. >>JUDGE BECERRA: I DON'T WANT A FUTURE CLIENT OR CUSTOMER, WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM TO LOOK BACK AND SAY YOU HAD A TWO-MONTH DELAY IN THE START.

THAT WAS OUR FAULT. >> TWO-MONTH DELAY OF GETTING THE INFORMATION TO GET STARTED. ONCE WE DID GET THE INFORMATION, IT TOOK PROBABLY THREE BACK AND FORTH CONVERSATIONS TO CLARIFY INFORMATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED, MAKE SURE THAT POSITION CONTROL NUMBERS, SALARIES WERE CORRECT, AND WE FINALLY GOT IT READY TO POPULATE OUR DATABASE TO BEGIN THE PROCESS.

SO STEP 1 IN A COMPENSATION STUDY IS YOU GOT TO RANK THE POSITIONS IN THE ORGANIZATION UNDER STUDY BASED ON SOME CRITERIA TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PAY.

BECAUSE PAY SHOULD BE BASED ON THE COMPLEXITY OF THE JOB, RESPONSIBILITY AND DUTIES, THE EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. WITH EMPLOY A 14-POINT CRITERIA WE LOOK AT TO ASSESS THE RANK THE JOBS WITHIN AN ORGANIZATION.

THAT IS STEP ONE. STEP TWO IS TO DEVELOP A MARKET SURVEY. COMMUNICATE WITH THE COUNTY ON WHO THEY BELIEVE TO BE PEER ORGANIZATIONS THAT THEY ARE COMPETING AGAINST FOR THE SAME FIVE.LABOR.

OBVIOUSLY YOU START INITIALLY IN THE LOANING MARKET AND EXPAND OUT LOOKING AT OTHER CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE SIMILAR COMPENSATION AND MAKE-UP. SAME TYPE OF JOBS.

WE DO THE JOB ANALYSIS, EVALUATION BASED ON EVERY JOB IN THE ORIGINAL ABO252 POSITIONS. A SIMPLE.

20% TO HAVE AISTICLY VALID RECOMMENDATION AT THE END.

IN ORDER TO GET THE INFORMATION TO FACILITATE THE JOB OF THE EVALUATION PROCESS, WE HAVE THE EMPLOYEES TO COMPLETE A JOB QUESTIONNAIRE WHICH IS AN ONLINE DOCUMENT.

THEY LOG ON TO OUR WEBSITE WITH THEIR EMPLOYEE ID NUMBER.

PULLS UP THE QUESTIONNAIRE AND THEY COMPLETE THE QUESTIONNAIRE.

QUESTIONNAIRE TAKES AN HOUR AND 20 MINUTES.

WE GIVE EMPLOYEES TYPICALLY TWO WEEKS TO DO IT.

AND WE GIVE THE SUPERVISORS A WEEK TO COME BACK AND REVIEW THE INFOR INFORMATION.

SUPERVISORS CAN'T CHANGE AND ALTER THE INFORMATION GIVEN TO THE EMPLOYEES. IT IS LOCKED LOCKED IN A PDF FILE. THEY HAVE REVIEW AND COMMENT ABILITY FROM EACH QUESTION THAT HAS BEEN ASKED BY THE EMPLOYEE.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF TAX CLERNG SAYS THAT HIS OR HER JOB REQUIRES A MASTER'S DEGREE. THE SUPERVISOR, AS PART OF THAT REVIEW, CAN TYPICALLY SAY THAT A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA WITH MAYBE BOOKKEEPING, CUSTOMER SERVICE EXPERIENCE.

WHEN WE GET THOSE OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN EMPLOYEE -- WHAT THE EMPLOYEE SUBMITTED AND WHAT THE SUPERVISOR HAS STATED, WE GENERALLY SET THOSE ASIDE AND COME BACK THROUGH AND ASK QUELLS TO VERIFY THE INFORMATION. S.

ONCE WE HAVE THE GREETED JOB QUESTIONNAIRES AND MARKETED, WE DO LINEAR PROGRESSION, COMPUTER MODELING TECHNIQUE TO GENERATE THE NEW PAY STRUCTURE. IT IS NOT MANUALLY TYPED IN.

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ON THE LOW END OF THE SPECTRUM IN TERMS OF STARTING SALARIES, OR ENTRY LEVEL SALARIES, COUNTY WAS 11% BEHIND THE MARKET.

ALSO DOUBLE KENNELLING IT BEHIND THE MARKET AVERAGES.

AND I WILL HAVE EXACT NUMBERS SHORTLY.

ALSO ON THE OTHER END OF THE MARKET, MAXIMUM VALUE OF THE POSITIONS THAT WE SAMPLE FOR THE MARKET SURVEY ACROSS THE BOARD THAT THE COUNTY WAS LOW NOW TYPICALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT A SALARY FOR A GIVEN JOB. THREE COMPONENTS.

MEN MUM WHICH IS OF THE PRIMARY LEVEL.

13% OR PEOPLE AROUND THAT MINIMUM ENTRY LEVEL.

THEY MEET THE MEN MUM -- MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF THE POSITIONS.

MIDPOINT IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE MARKET AVERAGE.

THOSE WHO COMPLETED THE LEARNING CURVE AND ARE PRO FISH MEANT THAT PARTICULAR OCCUPATIONAL GROUP.

IT TWO-THIRDS OF THE EMPLOYEES IN THAT OCCUPATIONAL GROUP WILL EARN WAGES AROUND THE MIDPOINT AND 20 TO 30% WILL BE SOMEWHERE AOUND THE MAXIMUM. WE BEGIN TO DIVE IN AND LOOK, WE FELT THAT NOT ONLY DO WE NEED TO DEVELOP A COMPETITIVE COMPENSATION STRUCTURE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES OF RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION WHICH WAS MENTIONED BY VIRTUALLY EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD THAT I MET WITH. THEY WERE ABLE TO SHOW CREDIBLE EVIDENCE THEY WERE HAVING DIFFICULTY RECRUITING EMPLOYEES.

NOT JUST AGAINST THE BIGGER EMPLOYEES LIKE THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND TRAVIS COUNTY, SOME OF THE OTHER SMALLER JURISDICTIONS AS WELL. THE INITIAL DRAFT REPORT SHOWS THAT IT WAS GOING TO TAKE ABOUT MULTIFAMILY $12.6 MILLION TO BRING THE COUNTY UP TO A COMPETITION MARKET MRAS2.6 MILL BRING THE COUNTY UP TO A COMPETITION MARKET MPLACE AFTERI COMPLETED THE REVIEWS WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, I HAD CONCERNS OF THE VALIDITY OF THE BOTTOM LINE BASED ON MY KNOWLEDGE OF DOING STUDIES FOR THE YEARS AND DOING OVER 250 OF THEM.

DIDN'T JIVE WITH THE MARKET DATA WE WERE COLLECTING.

IT DIDN'T SEEM TO JAFB WHERE PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY BEING PAID.

IT SEEMED LOW TO ME. I PLEDGED I WOULD GO BACK AND, IN ESSENCE, REDO THE STUDY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ORGANIZATION WASN'T SHORTCHANGING ANY CAPACITY TO MAKE SURE THAT, AGAIN, THAT YOU CAN RECRUIT AND RETAIN EMPLOYEES.

SO AS I WENT BACK AND LOOKED, AND I JUST WANT TO CLOSE THE COMMENT ABOUT THE MARKET DATA. ON THE LOW END ENTRY LEVELS 11.08 BEHIND. AT MIDPOINT, 10.42 BEHIND.

MAXIMUMS, YOU WERE 9.94% BEHIND. COMPENSATION, WE USE 5% AS A BENCHMARK. ANY TIME YOU HAVE NEGLECT TESTIFIES GREATER THAN 5%, THAT IS A -- AN INDICATION THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE OR ARE HAVING DIFFICULTY RECRUITING AND RETAINING EMPLOYEES PRETTY REMUCH ACROSS THE BOARD.

THAT TELLS US THAT HISTORICALLY, THE ORIGINAL HAS NOT DONE A VERY GOOD JOB PROACTIVELY OF ADDRESSING SALARIES AND ACTUALLY PROVIDING PAY INCREASES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE MARKETPLACE. WITH THAT BACKDROP, IT WAS CLEAR TO ME THAT THIS INITIAL REPORT WAS A BIT TOO CONSERVATIVE.

AFTER DOING THIS 22 YEARS AND OVER 200 OF THESE STUDIES, I FOUND IT SURPRISING THAT THE INITIAL DRAFT MATCHED ALMOST TO THE PENNY WHAT WAS BUDGET, PREBUDGETED FOR THE STEALTH.

THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED TO ME IN THE 250 STUDIES I HAVE DONE OVER 22 YEARS. I NEVER SEEN AN NIFSH REPORT MATCH WHAT THE ORIGINAL HAD PREBUDGETED FOR THE STUDY.

IN FACT, ANY TIME I INITIATE A STUDY, I NEVER ASK THE CLIENT, WELL, ANTICIPATION OF THE REPORT, HOW MUCH HAVE IS YOU SET ASIDE ANTICIPATING WHAT THE RU89 MAY LOOK LIKE.

BY NEVER ASKED THAT QUESTION. AND I DON'T ASK THAT QUESTION FOR ONE SIMPLE REASON. HE DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO THINK THAT THE NUMBERS I CAME BACK WITH ARE A PRODUCT WHAT OF WHAT WAS PREBUDGET. MY NUMBERS NEED TO STAFFED INDEPENDENTLY OF WHATEVER DECISIONS IN ANTICIPATION OF THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY. ONCE THE DRAFT HAS BEEN DELIVERED, THEN I ASK THE QUESTIONS WHAT HAS BEEN

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THAT WAS ANOTHER RED FLAG FOR ME THAT I NEEDED TO GO BACK THROUGH AND REF EVALUE WEIGHT THE STUDY. THEN THERE WERE OTHER ISSUES THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED. IN THE INITIAL REPORT -- AND THIS IS PART OF OUR PROCESS -- WE FOUND -- SIGNIFICANT SALARY COMPRESSION IN YOUR ORGANIZATION.

I WILL DEFINE SALARY COMPRESSION.

SALARY COMPRESSION, A FAIRLY LARGE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEESES WITH VARYING YEARS OF TENURE WITH THE ORGANIZATION IN SIMILAR POSITIONS ALL BEING PEACE TOWARD THE LOWER END OF THE PAY SCHEDULE. THEY ARE CLUSTERED TOGETHER AT THE BOTTOM END. WHERE IN ACTUALITY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DISTRIBUTION OF CURRENT PAY ON AN ORGANIZATION, ON A SCATTERGRAM, SHOULD LOOK LIKE SPOTS OF PAINT ON 9 WALL.

THE LOW END, MIDDLE, TOP, SOME OVER THE TOP.

THERE SHOULD BE DISTRIBUTION THROUGHOUT THAT PAY SPECTRUM, WHERE WE HAD LARGE CLUSTERS CAPTURED AROUND AT THE BOTTOM.

TO ADDRESS THAT, WE RAN A IMPLEMENTATION MODEL THAT DID TWO THINGS IN THAT INITIAL DRAFT.

ONE, ANYONE THAT IS BELOW THE MINIMUM STARTING SALARY OF THE NEW STRUCTURE WE DEVELOPED WE CALCULATED WHAT IT WILL BE TO BRING IT UP TO THE MINIMUM. IF YOU HAVE A NEW PAY STRUCTURE EVERYBODY HAS TO BE WITHIN THE CONFINES THAT OF THAT STRUCTURE.

SECOND THING TO RUN AN ANALYSIS THAT PREDICTS WHERE AN EMPLOYEE'S SALARY SHOULD BE BASED ON THEIR CURRENT POSITION AND HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN IN THE POSITION HAVE THEY RECEIVED AMPLE MARKET INCREASES FROM THE TIME THEY WERE IN THE POSITION.

LET'S SAY I AM A GROUNDSKEEPER FOR THE COUNTY AND I HAVE BEEN A GROUNDSKEEPER FOR TEN YEARS. THE SOFT WARE WILL DETERMINE WHAT MY SALARY SHOULD BE IN TODAY'S DOLLARS HAD I RECEIVED AMPLE INCREASES OVER A TEN-YEAR PERIOD I WAS IN THAT GROUNDSKEEPER POSITION. THAT CALLED A TARGET SALARY.

WE BROUGHT THEM UP TO THE MINUTELY MUM THE INITIAL AMALL

INS. >> I WHOSE CURRENT PAY WAS BELOW THE TARGET SALARY AND KATE WHAT IT WILL BE TO GET TO THAT TARGET. SOME WEREN'T BELOW.

SOME WERE RIGHT AT THE TARGET AND SOME ABOVE, BUT AMPLES ENOUGH OF PEOPLE DOWN BELOW. THE INITIAL DRAFT PROVIDED ADJUSTMENTS TO BRING THEM UP TO THE TARGET.

MINIMUM TO MINUTE MU-- MINIMUM, 276 MILLION.

AFTER MEETING WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS, A LOT OF COMPLAINTS, THAT LONGEVITY AND POSITION IS GREAT, BUT I HAVE BEEN HERE 20 YEARS.

I DIDN'T GET ANYTHING FOR LONGEVITY.

THAT WAS THE CONSTANT THEME AS I MET WITH FOLKS.

OTHER GREAT CONCERN, NO MECHANISM TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE SALARY STRUCTURE. IN GOVERNMENT, GENERALLY TWO WAYS TO DO THAT. A GENERAL INCREASE.

SOME CALL IT COST OF LIVING. SOME CALL IT A FLAT PAY INCREASE. OR SOME TYPE OF MERIT OR INCENTIVE PAY. THOSE ARE REALLY THE TWO WAYS YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD IN THE SALARY STRUCTURE.

SO I TOLD THE STAFF AND HR BUDGET AND IN THE JUDGE'S OFFICE THAT I WAS GOING TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE IMPLEMENTATION MODELS TO ADWELLS WHAT I HAD HEARD IN TERMS OF CONCERNS.

SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THIS DAY WITH THE REVISED DRAFT OR FINAL REPORT. NUMBER ONE, BECAUSE THE COUNTY HAS NOT DONE A VERY AGGRESSIVE -- OVER THE YEARS AN AGGRESSIVE EFFORT TO KEEP PACE WITH THE LABOR MARKET, WHICH IS VERY TEAT RIGHT NOW FOR LABOR. I DECIDED THAT IT MADE SENSE TO GIVE ALL EMPLOYEES SOME CREDIT FOR LONGEVITY IN TERMS OF IT BEING A LONGEVITY RETENTION. TO KEEP PEOPLE ON BOARD THE ORGANIZATION. AND SO I INCREASED EVERYONE'S BASE PAY WHICH ABOUT 5%. EVERYONE TO THE A 5% LONGEVITY INTENSIVE. THEN HE WENT BACK THROUGH AND LOOKED TO SEE HOW DID THAT IMPACT INDIVIDUALS IN TERMS OF BEING AT OR ABOVE THE NEW MINIMUM STARTING SALARIES FOR THEIR POSITION. STILL PEOPLE BELOW.

CALCULATE THE ADJUSTMENTS TO BRING THEM UP TO THE MINIMUM.

AND THEN I DECIDED TO CHANGE THE STRUCTURE OF THE PAY SYSTEM HERE. WHEN I TOLD YOU THAT A SALARY RANGE TYPICALLY KIPTS OF THREE COMPONENTS: A MINIMUM, A MID AND A MAXIMUM. SOME ORGANIZATIONS -- THIS THEIR WAY THROUGH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS A STEP IN GRADE SYSTEM.

THE FEDERAL CIVIL SERVICE OF STEP IN GRADE.

I AM EX-MILITARY. YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

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GIVES EMPLOYEES PEACE OF MIND TO SHOW HOW THEIR SALARY WILL PROGRESS OVER THE 25 TO 30 YEARS IF THEY STICK AROUND WITH THE ORGANIZATION. I CREATED A STEP PLAN.

I TOOK THOSE MINIMUMS, MIDPOINTS ANDMAXIMUMS AND BROKE THEM UP INTO INCREMENTS. WE HAVE THE GRADES AND BROKE IT DOWN INTO INCREMENTS. 30 STEPS.

WITHIN THE STEP PLAN, 1.4% IN BETWEEN INCREMENTS.

THE WAY IT WORKS IF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT DECIDES, FOR EXAMPLE, FISCAL YEAR '24-'25, GIVE A 4% INCREASE TO EMPLOYEES.

ALREADY 1.4 BUILT INTO THE TABLE.

ALL YOU WOULD SIMPLY NEED TO DO TO ADD 2.6 ON TOP OF THE TABLE, INCREASE THE TABLE BY 2.6. THN MOVE EACH EMPLOYEE TO THEIR NEXT STEP. AND THEY REALIZE THE 4% INCREASE. VERY SIMPLE TO ADMINISTER.

IT ALLOWS THE TORSION MAINTAIN A COMPETITIVE PAY STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT INCREASES ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND YOU SHOULD DO A STUDY LIKE THIS EVERY TV TO SIX YEARS, BUT YOUR HR SHOULD DO.SURVEYS OF SELECTED OCCUPATIONS WHERE THE MARKET IS CHANGING, PUBLIC SAFETY I.T., SKILLED CRAFT LIKE LEG TRISH SHANS AND PLUMBERS AND PAYMENTERS.

HAVE THE ABILITY FOR ADJUSTMENT TO DO COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW IN THE FIVE TO SIX YEAR POINT. WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE THAT HAS CREATED SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS AND INEQUITIES ARE THE FOLLOWING.

NUMBER ONE, DEPARTMENT HEAD COMING DIRECTLY BEFORE THE COMMISSIONERSCOURT TO LOBBY FOR THEIR PARTICULAR DOCUMENT AND STAFF FOR AUTHORITIES. I DON'T FAULT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS FOR DOING THAT. IF YOU ARE IN A LEADERSHIP POSITION AND YOU DON'T ADVOCATE FOR YOUR PEOPLE, YOU ARE NOT DOING YOUR JOB. I DON'T FAULT THEM FOR THAT.

THEY ARE BRINGING THE CASE IN FRONT OF COMMISSIONERS COURT FOR ACTIONS AND YOU ARE MAKING DECISIONS ON THAT DEPARTMENT AND THAN REQUEST UNDERSTANDING THAT IN ALL LIKELIHOOD IT WILL HAVE RESIDUAL EFFECTS ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION.

IN A TYPICAL PAY GRADE, YOU HAVE MULTIPLE JOBS IN THAT PAY GRADE WHICH MEANS THEY ARE 6 EQUAL VALUE.

ONE DEPARTMENT HEAD HERE ASKS TO ELEVATE THE JOB AND THE INDIVIDUAL SALARY OF TWO OF THOSE TEN POSITIONS IN THE SAME GRADE, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OTHER EIGHT? NOBODY IS HERE ADVOCATING FOR THE OTHER EIGHT.

THAT CREATES A DISCREPANCY AND UP IMAGINE OVER A COUPLE OF YEARS, THAT CONSEQUENTLY BEING DONE AND NOT A COMBREZ REVIEW.

IT BEGINS TO ERODE THE INTERNAL EQUITY OF THE PAY STRUCTURE.

THAT IS A HUGE ISSUE. A HUGE ISSUE.

IDEALLY FROM A PROGRESSIVE DIDN'T, SOME TYPE OF FIGURING OF THOSE REQUESTS. NORMALLY THEY GO TO HR AND BUDGET AND AN OPINION AND RECOMMENDATION AND THEY GO TO LEADERSHIP TO MAKE A FINAL DEPOSIT KILLINGS BASED ON THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION SO YOU WILL KNOW -- WELL, YOU KNOW IT IS REQUESTED TO DO THIS FOR THE FOLLOWING.

AND THAT IS NOT PROPERLY BEFORE YOU BUT YOU NEED TO CONSIDERING HOW WE ARE GOING TO HANDLE THOSE POSITIONS.

SO THAT IS THE PROPER WAY IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

THE CURRENT STRUCTURE AND LET ME -- LET ME BALANCE THIS BY SAYING I AM A FORMER HR DIRECTOR AND A FORMER ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

I KNOW LOCAL GOVERNMENT BACKWARDS AND FORWARD.

THE CURRENT STRUCTURE HERE IS -- IS PUZZLING.

AND I AM NOT -- I AM NOT TRYING TO PLAY A BLAME GAME OR BE DISRESPECTFUL I AM JUST TRYING TO PAINT A PICTURE HOW MANY ISSUES YOU HAVE WITH AGAIN SAYINGS IN PRESIDENT ORIGINAL.

SOME COUNTY EMPLOYEES, DEPARTMENT HEADS, TELL ME THAT THEY REPORT DIRECTLY TO THE COMMISSION.

SO NOT ONLY ARE YOU THE ELECTED BODY BUT YOU ARE THE INITIAL CONTACT AND THE DECIDER OF WHAT HAPPENS WITH PAY STRUCTURE.

WHERE IT PUTS YOU IN AN UNTENABLE SITUATION.

WHERE YOU SHOULD RELY ON HR AND BUDGET TO BRING YOU ARE DEEM AGENCIES AND INFORMATION SO YOU CAN ACT BASED ON AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS DOES ACROSS THE BOARD WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION. AND SO I AM FAMILIAR WITH TEXAS.

AND I KNOW THAT COUNTY GOVERNMENT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN TEXAS THAN IN SOME COUNTIES AROUND THE COUNTRY BUT IDEALLY, THE CHIEF ADMINISTER TESTIFY OFFICER AS I UNDERSTAND YOUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS THE COUNTY JUDGE WHO THAT'S A CHIEF OF

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INEQUITIES ALL OVER THE PLEAS. BASICALLY A SITUATION WHO COMES FIRST AND MAKES THE LOUDEST CASE GET WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR AND CREATING SOME REAL ISSUES. THE OTHER HE SHALL OFF AS IT RELATES TOS IN THE ORGANIZATION ARE THE POLICIES ARE OUTDATED.APPEAR CURRENT POLICY WHERE THE PAY STRUCTURE IS IDENTIFIED UP UNIVERSITY QUARTILES, AND DEPARTMENT HEADS CAN ADVOCATE BRINGING INDIVIDUALS IN THE CURRENT PAY STRUCTURE. IF YOU ARE A DEPARTMENT HEAD, YOU WILL TRY TO GET A NEW PERSON OR PROMOTED PERSON IN AS HIGH OF A QUARTILE AS YOU CAN. THAT IS HUMAN NATURE.

SO WHEN THEY DO THAT, AGAIN, IT IS CREATING INEQUITIES.

IF YOU ARE BRINGING SOMEONE IN AT A 50 -- 50TH PERCENTILE, AND I HAVE BEEN HERE THREE YEARS IN A SIMILAR OR SAME POSITION, YOU WILL COME IN MAKING MORE THAN ME.

OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEE THAT IS A MORALE PROBLEM.

IF I'M DOING A GOOD JOB AND I AM STILL EMPLOYED, THE ARGUMENT, IF YOU BROUGHT JOHN OR LISA SMITH INTO THE ORIGINAL AT THE # 50 IF PERCENTILE, IT MAKES NO SENSE. GREETING GRIEVABLE ISSUES WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASON I HAVE RECOMMEND YOU GO TO A STEP IN GRADE SYSTEM. IT'S FAIR.

IT IS MORE BALANCED AND TAKES OUT SOME OF THE SUBJECTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH BRINGING IN NEW HERE'S AND DETERMINE WHERE PEOPLE SHOULD GO WHEN TRANSFERRED, PROMOTED AND D OR DEMOTED. POLICIES WITH THE STUDY.

IT TALKS OF HOW TO HANDLE STARTING RATES OF PAY AND GIVING PEOPLE CREDIT FOR EXPERIENCE. HOW TO HANDLE PROMOTIONAL SITUATIONS. WHAT THE IS THE VALUE OF THE PRO MOTION. THE POLICY WE TYPICALLY SAY ONE GRADE, A BASELINE OF 5%. EACH ADDITIONAL GRADE YOU GET TWO AND A HALF PERCENT UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 15%.

APPLIED TO ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT.

WHEN IT COMES TOLL COMPENSATION, NOT A LOT OF HARD, FAST RULES IF YOU COMPLY WITH STATE LABOR LAW, EXEMPT, NONEXEMPT, LAWS.

YOU CAN STRUCTURE A PAY SYSTEM ANY WAY YOU WANT TO FIT THE CULTURE AND NEEDS OF THE ORIGINAL.

SO WE ARE SAYING WE NEED A RESET.

POLICIES NEED TO BE WHY UP DATED AND REWRITTEN.

JOB DESCRIPTIONS ARE 20-PLUS YEARS OLD.

PEOPLE ARE DOING WORK NOW THAT IS NOT IN THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION.

THEY ARE OLD. I WENT THROUGH -- EVEN THAT WAS NOT THE SCOPE OF WORK. SOME JOBS PAID OVERTIME BASED TO AN FEDERAL STATUTE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY THEM OVERTIME.

SOME JOBS WHERE THEY ARE NOT BEING PAID OVERTIME BUT BY FEDERAL STATUTE, YOU SHOULD BE PAYING THEM OVERTIME.

THEY JUST DON'T KNOW IT. SO THERE NEED TO BE A OVERHAUL OF THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE ORGANI ORGANIZATION.

NOW I HOOKED AT E-MAIL THIS MORNING WHEN I CAME IN.

SOMEONE ASKED, WELL, THERE WERE CHANGES BETWEEN THE DRAFT AND THE FINAL. YES.

I CHANGED THE STRUCTURE. I AM NOT RUNNING FROM THAT.

I AM NOT HIDING FROM THAT. I CHANGED THE STRUCTURE, BECAUSE WHAT WAS BEING PRESENTED DID NOT MAKE A SENSE FOR THE SIZE OF THIS ORGANIZATION. THAT NIFSH DRAFT REPORT HAD TWO DIFFERENT PAY SCHEDULES. ONE LABELED LEADERSHIP AND ONE FOR EVERYONE ELSE. YOU ARE YOU ARE NOT BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PAY STRUCTURES.

ONCE YOU GET TO 500 JOB CLASSIFICATION LEVEL, THEN YOU TALK OF MULTIPLE PAY LEVEL. YOU HAVE 252.

YU ARE NOT THERE YESTERDAY. THAT GETS INTO BROADBANDING AND OTHER THINGS WHICH IS MORE COMPLEX THAN WHAT IS YOU ARE DOING HERE. AND ANOTHER THING IS THE DIFFERENT REN SHALL BETWEEN PAY GRADES.

A DIFFERENTIAL HORIZONTALLY AND ONE VERTICALLY.

FROM STEP ONE TO STEP 30, THE SPREAD IS 50%.

IN OTHER WORDS, THE STEP ONE IS -- IT -- WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO THE MAXIMUM, ISSED -- THE MAXIMUM IS 50% HIGHER THAN STEP ONE. THE SPREAD IS 50%.

THEN WHEN YOU GO VERTICALLY, 5% IN BETWEEN GRADES FOR MOST PUBLIC SECTOR IS ORGANIZATIONS. A CAVEAT THOUGH.

WHEN YOU ARE TALKING OF PUBLIC SAFETY POSITIONS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRE AND EMS WITH A VERY STRICT RANK TEMPERATURE

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I FOUND IN THE NEGOTIATE DRAFT, A 8% SPREAD.

WHEN TYPICALLY 5. .JUSTIFICATION TO GO TO 8.

SO I RESET IT AT 5. SO SOME OF THE SALARY RANGES LOOKED DIFFERENT IN THE TIME THAN IN THE INITIAL DRAFT.

NO CONSPIRACY BEHIND THAT. SIMPLY DOING WHAT WE WERE HIRED TO DO, PROVIDE PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE IN THE AREA OF COMPENSATION DEVELOPMENT. A RUNNING DEBATE IN THE ORGANIZATION OF PARITY OF THE CLERK OF THE COURT.

BASED ON THE ANALYSIS WE RECEIVED, BASED ON THE MARKET DATA FROM OTHER COUNTIES, THE JP CLERKS ARE LESS THAN 9 OTHER COURT CLERKS. SOME ORIGINALS SAY WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT. WE WANT PEA.

YOU HAVE TO RIGHT TO DO THAT IF YOU ALL OF YOUR CLERKS ON THE SAME PAY GRADE, THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE.

NOTHING WRONG. MY AMALL IN SISZ DOESN'T JUSTIFY DOING THAT. IF YOU WANT TO BE DO IT, THAT IS WITHIN YOUR RIGHT. A GOOD PAY SYSTEM HAS FLEXIBILITY TO ADDRESS WHATEVER NEEDS AND ABILITIES THAT YOU WANT TO ADDRESS. SOME PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN THIS WHEN YOU SIT DOWN AND GRADE AND RANKING AS A SLIGHT TO THEIR POSITION. THIS PROCESS IS ABOUT DETERMINING THE VALUE OFF OF THE POSITION, NOT THE VALUE HUE OF THE PERSON. TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES.

THE VALUE OF THE PERSON SHOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE FORM OF THEIR ANNUAL PERFORMANCE REVIEW. THE VALUE OF THE JOB IS A PRODUCT OF THE INTERNAL EVALUATION PROCESS AND THE MARKET DATA PUT INTO A REGRESSION MODEL TO AGAIN REAL WHAT IS BELIEVED TO BE A COMPREHENSIVE TESTIFY PAY STRUCTURE. EVEN BEN THAT IS DONE, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT AS AN ORGANIZATION TO EVEN IF TUNE IF YOU WANT TO.

YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SLIGHT FO DIFFICULT TO SEPARATE THE PEFRMENT AND THE PERSON FROM THE JOB.

I HEARD COMMENTS LIKE -- I KNOW WHAT THAT PERSON DOES.

THEY DON'T DO AS MUCH AS WHAT I DO EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE SAME TITLE. THAT PERSON DOES MORE THAN OUR OFFICE. PART OF THAT IS THE DEPARTMENT AND HOW IT IS ORGANIZED AND RANKED.

NOT UNIQUE TO HAYS COUNTY WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY, IS FACT.

PAY IS NOT THE ONLY REASON THAT SOMEONE WILL COME TO WORK FOR AN ORGANIZATION AND STATE. OVER MY 20 YEARS, WE HAVE DONE QUALITY OF LIFE SURVEY BASED ON MAZ LO IF PSYCHOLOGY.

PAY IS NOT ALWAYS NUMBER ONE. ADVANCEMENT, JOB SECURITY, HOW FOND THEY ARE OF THEIR LEADERSHIP.

BUT IN THIS ORGANIZATION, THERE IS A PERCEPTION THAT, OH, POI IS ABOUT EVERYTHING. AND IN FACT OF THE MATTER IS, SOME PEOPLE REASONABILITY HAPPY BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THE SUPERVISION THEY ARE GETTING. THEY DON'T LIKE THE QUALITY OF LEADERSHIP THEY HAVE IN THEIR DEPARTMENT.

HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PAY. THEY ARE AFRAID TO SAY THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO GET FEARED.

BUT I WILL SAY IT. PAY IS NOT THE END ALL BE ALL.

THERE IS MORALE. THERE IS UNHAPPINESS AMONG THE PEOPLE. PAY IS A PART BUT NOT THE ONLY REASON. UP IMPLORE YOU TO SET UP THE PROCESS THAT A PRO DRESS SIEVE AND MODERN AND PUT SYSTEMS TOP OF MITIGATE PERSONAL BIAS TO MOVE IT FORWARD.

OTHERWISE YOU CAN RAISE THE PAY TO $1 MILLION A YEAR FOR EVERY JOB. YOU STILL HAVE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS. MORALE PROBLEMS AND PEOPLE LEAVING AND PEOPLE COMPLAINING I THINK AS AN EMPLOYER YOU SHOULD PAY FAIR WAGES TO YOUR EMPLOYEES.

AND BEYOND THAT, CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCEED AND BE SUCCESSFUL.

BUT WE ARE ALL ADULTS. WE CAN'T HOLD PEOPLE'S HANDS AND JUMP AND PANIC EVERY TIME SOMEBODY THINKS THEY ARE UNHAPPY. THE LAST TIME I CHECKED, NO INDIGENT SERVITUDE. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU CAN LEAVE. SOME SAY THAT IS A GONE AT STAY, BUT IT IS TRUE. AT SOME POINT INDIVIDUAL DECIDES WHERE THEY WANT TO STAY. WHERE WE WANT TO WORK.

IF THEY DECIDE THEY ARE UNHAPPY, MAYBE IN THE BEST ARE INTEREST

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A REFERENCE. IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, LET ME KNOW. I DON'T TAKE THAT PERSONAL.

THAT'S LIFE. I RESET THE STRUCTURE.

I CREATED A STEP IN GRADE SYSTEM, AND THE NEW COST IS 3.2 MILLION ONCE I REDUCED THE VERTICAL ACCEPT PRAYING BETWEEN THE GRADES FROM 8% TO 5%. 8% 3.6%.

5% IS 3.2. I CAN GIVE YOU A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THAT $3.2 MILLION COMPRISES OF.

TO GIVE THE 5% LONGEVITY RETENTION INCENTIVE IS ROUGHLY $1.8 MILLION. TO GET TO HE WAS THAT ARE STILL BELOW THE MINIMUM -- YOU FOR THEIR PAY GRADE IS $1.2 MILLION.

AND TO ROUND EVERYBODY UP AND PLACE THEM ON THEIR PROPER STEP IS $167,000. THAT GIVES US ROUGHLY $3.2 MILLION INCREASES CURRENT BY $8.82%.

BEFORE THE STUDY WAS FINALIZED IT HAPPENED WAS DONE OUTSIDE OF IN I RECOMMENDATION FROM MANAGEMENT ADVISORY GROUP THE ORIGINAL DECIDED TO AWARD 10% PAY INCREASES AND I APPLAUD THAT. THAT WAS A BOLD MOVE.

A NEEDED MOVE TO STEM THE TIDE OF FRUSTRATION AND POSITIVE RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION. I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE EXECUTION BECAUSE IT DID NOT GO TO EVERYBODY THERE IS A FALLACY JUST THAT RUSSELL MAKES $30,000 A YEAR.

AND I AM GOING TO PECULIAR ON THE JUDGE.

THE JUDGE MAKES $300,000, RUSSELL IS PROBABLY IN WORSE SHAPE FINANCIALLY AS THE JUDGE. THAT NECESSARILY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE CASE. NOT SURPRISING THAT MOST PEOPLE'S LIVING STANDARD EQUALS THEIR INCOME.

SO I HAVE COULD HAVE VERY LITTLE DEBT AND LIVING COMFORT ME OFF OF MY $30,000 AND 50,000. AND THE JUDGE, NO OFFENSE.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: NO OFFENSE. >> HIS $100,000 MASERATI AND 10,000-SQUARE-FOOT MANSION, HE IS IN DEBT UP TO HIS EYEBALLS.

YOU CAN'T MAKE PAY DECISION PETTING ONE GROUP TO THE BECAUSE THERE IS A PERCEPTION AT THOR WHO RANKS.

I KNOW SIX-FIGURE FOLKS THAT HURT BECAUSE OF OBLIGATION.

THEY HAVE KIDS IN COLLEGE. THEY ARE LIVING PERHAPS BEYOND THEIR MEANS. SO IT NEEDS TO GO TO EVERYONE.

SO IF I CAN GIVE YOU MY TWO CORRECTS WORTH, I WILL STRONGLY RECOMMEND IF THE FUND SOMETHING IN PLACE IMMEDIATELY GIVE THE REMAIN CAN WORK FORCE THAT 10%. HE THINKS THAT IS IS A FAIR, EQUITABLE THING TO DO BALLS THEY ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT AND VALUABLE AS THE OTHER MOWS, AND THEN I WILL MOVE TO IMPLEMENT THE PAY STUDY OCTOBER 1. A FEW MONTHS AIN'T GOING TO MAKE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE. IT IS NOT.

YOU HAVE BEEN IN THIS SITUATION FOR YEARS.

SO A FEW MORE HOSPITALS IN HOLD OFF IS NOT GOING TO MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. IDEALLY IF YOU HAVE MONEY TO DO 10% AND A PAY STUDY THAT WILL BE GREAT AND I HEAR THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE. IF YOU HAVE TO STRATEGICALLY DECIDE HOW IT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED, I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU GIVE BACK THOSE WHO DON'T GET THE 10% TO GIVE THEM THAT 10% AND MOVE TO IMPLEMENT THE REST OF THE STUDY OCTOBER 1. THEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT REBUILDING YOUR HR DEPARTMENT. HR HAS BEEN OPERATING TO SOME DEGREE WITH LIMITATIONS. THE CLASSIFICATION PROCESS, WHICH IS PART OF HR, KEEPING IN CONTROL OF POSITION CONTROL AND VACANCIES. ONE REASON TO TOOK TO GET THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE HR DID NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT.

IT RESTS WITH ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.

SO WE HAVE TO GET PERMISSION TO GET THAT INFORMATION PART OF CLASSIFICATION MANAGEMENT. POLICIES, IMPLEMENTATION, REVIEWS. THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE PUT INTO EFFECT BEFORE MOVING FORWARD. AND SO WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE THE COUNTY WITH THE SOFTWARE THAT WE USED TO DEVELOP THIS CLASSIFICATION STUDY TO MAINTAIN IT WHEN YOU HAVE RECLASSIFICATION REQUESTS FROM DEPARTMENTS.

WE WILL PROVIDE SOME TAPE ARING WITH THAT.

IF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT WANTS ME TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS ONCE

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NOT A PERSONAL SLIGHT. DIDN'T MEAN I DIDN'T LIKE YOU.

DIDN'T MEAN I DIDN'T RESPECT YOU.

BUT THIS IS DATA DRIVEN. IF THE DATA DIDN'T SUPPORT IT, THEN I COULDN'T SUPPORT ITTISM BUT, THE ORIGINAL DOES HAVE A RIGHT BASED ON HIS FIRE FIGHTER PHILOSOPHY AND CULTURE.

IF YOU WANT PARITY AMONG THEM, CREATE IT.

THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM. IT IS NO PROBLEM AT ALL IF YOU WANT TO TO THAT. THAT DOESN'T VIOLATE ANY TENETS OR DESTROY THE INTEGRITY OF THE STUDY.

WE NEED TO GET AWAY FROM PERMITS BEHIND LIKES WHO AND OTHER ISSUES THAT CAN'T BE QUANTIFIED. THE INFORMATION SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. THE DATA NEEDS TO SPEAK FOR ITSELF. AND WE GOT TO PUT IT IN A PROCESS WHERE THE COURT, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, IS NOT APPROVING REQUESTS IN FRONT OF THEM WITHOUT GETTING INFORMATION TESTIMONY FROM HR AND BUDGET TO ENSURE IT IS NOT CREATING FURTHER INEQUITIES AS AN ORGANIZATION AS A WHOLE.

THINGS THAT IS FRUSTRATED WITH OUR PROCESS.

FRUSTRATING HERE. I NEED TO HAVE MY PERSON AT $50,000 A YEAR THAMD PERSON NEEDS TO BE MAKING $80,000 A YEAR AND I AM LOOKING AT THIS GLOBALLY.

BROUGHT BY STATISTICS AND PART MANAGEMENT SCIENCE.

NOT JOHN IN HERE I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THEY ARE DOING. COULD BE CALLED SOMETHING ELSE SOME PLACE ELSE BUT I KNOW THE JOB.

I AM LOOKING AT IT 10,000 FEET DOWN TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE LINE UP NOT TO JUST MAKE THAT THE ONE DEPARTMENT GRANTS WHATEVER WISHES THEY ARE REQUESTING BECAUSE HAS IMPACT ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION.

SO AFTER 22 YEARS OF DOING THIS, I TELL YOU THIS AND THEN I WILL CLOSE AND HAPPILY ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS.

THIS PROCESS IS NOT DESIGNED TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.

IT IS NOT DESIGNED TO GIVE EVERYBODY A PAY RAISE.

IT IS DESIGNED TO SEE WHERE YOU ARE RELATIVE TO THE MARKETMACE, THE LABOR MARKET, PUT A SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT WILL HELP YOU MANAGE COMPENSATION GOING FORWARD AND SO, I CAN ASSURE YOU NOBODY FROM MANAGEMENT ADVISORY GROUP.

EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE HAPPY. BECAUSE THINK.IT, SOME PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY GOT 10%. AND NOW WE ARE SAYING THE OTHERS SHOULD GET THAT 10%. AND WE ARE SAYING GIVE THEM 5% LONGEVITY. AND THEN SOME WILL GET THAT PLUS MAYBE TO GET THEM UP TO AT LEAST THE MINIMUM OF THE NEW STUCTURE. SOME PEOPLE WILL WALK AWAY WITH 20% PLUS PAY RAISE AND NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY BECAUSE THEY WANTED MORE. HUMAN NATURE.

HUMAN NATURE. WANT MORE.

WANT MORE. I AM NOT BEGRUDGING EVERYBODY FOR THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO TELL MY CEO I WANT MORE MONEY. I DO TOO.

DOESN'T MEAN I AM GOING TO GET IT.

BUT I ASK. THAT'S OKAY.

SOMEBODY HAS TO BE THE ARBITRATOR TO SAY, OKAY, WE WILL DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO SOLVE ALL PROBLEMS OF THE NIGHT.

THIS DOESN'T SOLVE ALL YOUR PROBLEMS. DOESN'T IMPROVE MORALE ACROSS THE BOARD AND A GREAT STEP TO MOVE THE ORGANIZATION FORWARD AND ADDRESS ISSUES AND MITIGATE THE BIASES AND OTHER THINGS, POLITICS UNTIL THE END BUT NOT A BE ALL END ALL. I DON'T HAVE ANY RELATIVES HERE.

I HAD NO PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH ANYBODY.

I'M NOT RELATED TO EVERYBODY. MAYBE MR. SMITH OVER THERE -- MY THIRD COUSIN, TWICE REMOVED. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANY. SO THAT IS WHAT I HAVE IN TERMS OF PROCESS. AND JUST BRIEF SUMMARY.

YOU GOT TO INTERNALLY RANK THE JOBS.

COLLECT MARKET DAY. USE STATISTICAL MODELING FOR NEW PAY STRUCTURE AND TRANSITION THOSE FROM THE OLD STRUCTURE TO THE NEW AND A NEW STRUCTURE, STEP IN GRADE STRUCTURE EASY TO ADMINISTER AND GIVES EMPLOYEES A CLARITY.

MINIMUM AMOUNT OF INCREASE AND WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT DOES DETERMINES HOW THEY GET AND THEY CAN TRACK HOW THEIR SALARY CAN GROW DURING THEIR COURSE OF EMPLOYMENT WITH THE COUNTY ONCE YOU GET THE OTHER MACE IN LINE. A GREAT COMMUNITY.

A GREAT PLACE TO WORK. I MET PEOPLE WHO WOULD WALK THROUGH WALLS. THEY LOVE THIS COMMUNITY.

FAIRLY. THAT IS ALL THEY ARE ASKING FOR.

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>>JUDGE BECERRA: I AM SO GRATEFUL THAT WE HIRED YOU.

I NEVER LAID EYES ON YOU UNTIL THIS MORNING IN MY OFFICE, AND I AM JUST SO GRATEFUL THAT THIS IS HOW IT IS UNFOLDING.

WE HAVE A LOT OF LONG-TIME, LONG-SERVING CO-WORKER -- THAT IS WHAT I CALL THEM. I AM NO BETTER THAN THE NEXT PERSON. MY PAYCHECK HAS A COUNTY SEAL JUST LIKE THEIRS. I AM SO GRATEFUL THAT CO-WORKERS THAT I HAVE THAT YOU ARE ALL A PART OF THIS TEAM.

YOU SAID SOMETHING CRITICAL WHICH IS, WE DON'T NEED TO LOOK BACK AND HAVE THAT BEHIND SIGHT BIAS.

IT IS -- HINDSIGHT BIAS. IT IS NOT USEFUL.

WHO CARES HOW WE GOT HERE, WHAT WE TO DO MOVE FORWARD.

SOME PEOPLE SAY I HAVE BEEN HERE SUCH AND SUCH AND I COULD HAVE PART BLAME FOR THIS. NO.

I, FOR EXAMPLE, DO NOT CARE. I WILL NOT POINT FINGERS AT ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN HERE FOR ANY AMOUNT OF TIME AND SAY OOH, THIS IS YOUR FAULT. NO, THIS IS EVOLUTION.

SOMETHING WE CAN ALL COUNT ON. SOMETHING THAT IS ABSOLUTE FOR SURE CERTAIN IS CHANGE. AND WE ARE FOREVER GOING TO KEEP CHANGING, GROWING AND IT IS TRUE, WE ARE THE FASTEST GROWING COUNTY IN THE NATION. AND WE MUST DO OUR PART TO BE GOOD STEWARDS, BECAUSE A LOT OF FOLKS DON'T REALIZE THAT HIGH TURNOVER IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN PROPERLY PAID CO-WORKERS.

>> TRUE. >>JUDGE BECERRA: I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS SALARY SURVEY DOES NOT INCLUDE ELECTED OFFICIALS FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >>JUDGE BECERRA: IT IS INTENDED FOR THE BACKBONE -- I KNOW ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT ARE IN HERE AND ON TV ARE SAYING I DO A LOT.

YEP, YOU DO. BUT YOU WERE NOT THE TARGET.

IT WAS PURELY OUR CO-WORKERS, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WEREN'T ELECTED. AND I WOULD LIKE TO START ON THIS END. COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, OUR LONGEST-SERVING COMMISSIONER TO SHARE PERSPECTIVE WHAT YOU JUST

HEARD. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: DR.

CAMPBELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FORKING HERE.

THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE.

I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS THAT YOU MAKE.

THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED.

I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO REQUESTS THAT WE GET AND THEN WE ARE OUT OF KITER BECAUSE WE ARE AUTHORIZING SOME OF THESE.

HE BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT THOSE ONCE A YEAR DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. IT IS A DIFFICULT SITUATION BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME IN WITH GREAT QUALIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE AND YEARS OF SERVICE, BUT I THINK IT HAS PUT USES IN A MRAFLS WHERE IT IS DIFFICULT TO DIG OUT OF. AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

YOU KNOW, I WANT TO -- WELL, LET ME ALSO SAY, YOU REFERENCE THE JUSTICE CLERKS. I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION.

YOU SAYS IT ALL MARKET DRIVEN, THE INFORMATION YOU PROVIDED.

BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HIS.

I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WE ALL PROBABLY RECEIVE CORRESPONDENCE FROM THEM. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS CONCERNS THERE BECAUSE OF THE GRADE DIFFERENCES.

I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT ARE IN HERE THAT MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS, AND I REALLY WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM ALSO, JUDGE, BECAUSE WE HAVE MR. -- DR. CAMPBELL HERE NOW.

I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO VOICE THEIR CONCERN THAT WAY.

THAT WAY WE CAN ADDRESS THEM ALSO.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER WE DO THAT, I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU DID, THE GUIDANCE THAT YOU ARE GIVING US. AND -- BUT I KNOW THERE IS STILL CONCERNS THAT I LIKE FOR YOU TO TRY TO ADDRESS.

I WILL ALSO SAY THAT I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING WITH OUR BUDGET OFAND AGREE ALSO COMING UP WITH SCENARIOS REGARDING THE 10% FOR THE OTHER GROUP THAT WASN'T GIVEN THE 10%.

AND I AM CERTAINLY WILLING TO SUPPORT THAT.

AT SOME POINT DURING THIS PROCESS, JUDGE, WE WOULD LIKE TO

TALK ABOUT THAT ALSO. >> IF HE CAN MAKE ONE COMMENT, MA'AM, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. THIS IS NOT THE PROPER FORUM FOR DEPARTMENT HEADS TO CHIME IN IF THEY HAVE SOME CONCERNS.

THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO HANDLE THAT, THEY SUBMIT THEM IN WRITING. AND ON MY OWN TIME, I WILL CERTAINLY, IF DIRECTED TO DO SO BY THE COURT, I WILL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THEM BASED ON WHATEVER INFORMATION I GET, BUT I THINK WE HAVE BEEN PRETTY CLEAR ON HOW WE PUT THIS TOGETHER.

WE HAVE BEEN PRETTY CLEAR WE WERE A NEUTRAL PARTY.

WE HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU STRIVE TO MAKE CHANGES BEYOND WHAT WE PUT TOGETHER IN TERMS OF THE REVIEW

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SO IF THEY ARE, PUT THEM IN WRITING, BUT NOT THE FORUM TO

DEBATE THAT. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: I DIDN'T WANT TO CREATE A DEBATE, I KNOW THERE ARE SOME ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO DROVE A HONG WAY TO GET HERE AND TOOK TIME.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE FEEL, JUDGE, IF THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE, WE CAN DO ON AND DO IT A DIFFERENT WAY.

>JUDGE BECERRA: WHAT I WILL DO FIRST IS ALLOW THE COMMISSIONERS TO HAVE THEIR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER COHEN.

>>COMMISSIONER COHEN: FIRST, DR. K567 BELL, THA -- CAMPBELL, THA YOU. WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN ONE ON ONE BUT I WATCHED YOUR VIDEO THE FIRST TIME YOU WERE THERE. NOT ONE THING THAT YOU SAID THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH. I AM THE NEWLY ELECTED OFFICIAL ON THIS DAIS. SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR TWO MONTHS, I HAVE MET WITH MANY OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, AND THE CONSENSUS IS THE SAME. UNDERPAID, OVERWORKED, UNDERSTAFFED. WE CAN'T RETAIN EMPLOYEES.

PEOPLE ARE LEAVING. IT'S THE SAME MESSAGE.

I UNDERSTAND HOW LEADERSHIP WORKS.

YOU KNOW, YOU SAID THAT. MOST OF THE TIME WHEN PEOPLE LEAVE, NOT ALL JUST ABOUT MONEY. IT IS HOW THEY ARE TREATED.

BECAUSE MOST OF OUR LONG-TIME EMPLOYEES WHO DO WORK HERE, WORK HERE BECAUSE THEY GENERALLY CARE.THEIR JOBS.

THEY LOVE THE PEOPLE THEY WORK WITH.

THEY CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. THAT IS WHY THEY SAY.

AND IT IS VERY UNFORTUNATE WE ARE NOT PAYING THESE PEOPLE WHAT THEY SHOULD BEING PAID. 11% BELOW THE MEN MUM IS UNACCEPTABLE. AND, YOU KNOW, JUDGE, YOU SAID LET'S INTO THE LOOK BACK, BUT HONESTLY WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW WE GOT HERE SO WE DON'T CONTINUE TO MAKE THOSE SAME MISTAKES GOING FORWARD PAST OUR OWN, YOU KNOW, TENURES HERE ON THE DESK.

THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR LONG-TIME EMPLOYEES THAT WANT TO STAY HEIFER 10, 20 YEARS ARE TREATED THE SAME AND THEIR JOB SKILL SETS ARE GOING TO BE EVALUE I WANTED.

I DON'T THINK WE DO A VERY GOOD JOB IN, YOU KNOW, JOB PERFORMANCE EVALUATION, SOME KIND OF GROWTH, CAREER PLANS FOR PEOPLE, TO HELP IMPROVE. WE NEED TO MAKE THOSE INVESTMENT. SO I ALSO AGREE WITH YOU WITH -- AS FAR AS, LIKE, A CENTRALIZE $PERSON AS WELL.

AND NOT ONLY JUST IN -- IN HR, PAYROLL AND THOSE, BUT OTHER AREAS OF COUNTY. YOU KNOW JUDGES AND COMMISSION WILL COME AND IF, BUT OUR DEPARTMENT, THAT CONTINUTY NEEDS TO BE IN MACE TO HELP US TRANSITION WHEN WE HAVE TO.

RIGHT. SO COUNTY MANAGER, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, DEFINITELY MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT WE DO THAT.

WE DEFINITELY NEED AN OVERHAUL IN ALL AREAS OF HR TO MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE A PROGRESSIVE PLAN.

A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY FAIL BECAUSE OUR INTERNAL, YOU KNOW, ISSUES ARE NOT -- ARE AFFECTING OUR PLAN FOR THE COUNTY.

WE ARE GROWING TOO FAST. OUR -- AND ENORMOUS IN THIS AREA THAT WE ARE FAILING OUR CONTINUENTSES BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET OUR -- TOGETHER INTERNALLY AND OUR FORWARD FACING SERVICES

UP TO PAR. >> I DID SAY IN THE REPORT THAT THE COUNTY WOULD BENEFIT WHAT WE CALL IN THE CON 1U8 WILLING BUSINESS "A OPERATIONAL REVIEW. "WHERE A TEAM COMES IN, SPENDS TIME IN EVERY DEPARTMENT. LOOKS AT THE REPORTING RELATIONSHIPS. COMMUNICATION, USE OF TECHNOLOGY AND STAFFING LEVELS, AND PUT TOGETHER A PLAN -- FIVE TO TEN-YEAR PLAN WHERE THE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO GROW.

FUNCTIONS -- ONE FUNCTION IN ONE DEPARTMENT WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO MOVE IT TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.

BECAUSE, AGAIN, GROWTH IS GREAT, BUT WITH GROWTH COMES CHANGE.

YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY WE HAVE DONE THINGS IN THE PAST.

YOU NEED A FRESH SET OF EYES TO LOOK ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION AND FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO POSITION OUR RESOURCES AND OUR PEOPLE GOING FORWARD. AND SO AT THE SOME.YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER DOING THAT. CO

>>COMMISSIONER COHEN: ABSOLUTELY.

I'M FOR FOLLOWING HIS PLAN. GIVING THE REST OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT 10% AND WE IMPLEMENT THIS -- THIS NEW PAY STRUCTURE OCTOBER 1. AND WE DO A BASIC CAN OVERHAUL OF OUR HR DEPARTMENT, POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, AND HAVE A GOOD SOL HE HAD PLAN GOING FORWARD FROM HERE.

THAT IS WHAT I THINK. JUMZ JUMZ THE STEP IN GRADE

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>>COMMISSIONER COHEN: YES. >>JUDGE BECERRA: I LOVE TO BE IN LEADERSHIP AS PREDECK I HAVE IT AND CONSISTENT AS POSSIBLE.

I CLARIFY NOT LOOKING BACK, IT WAS DIRECTED AT THE IDEA OF BLAME EXCLUSIVELY. ABSOLUTELY WE LOOK BACK.

FIRST TIME SHAME ON YOU. SECOND TIME SHAME ON ME.

YOU GOT TO DO THAT. BUT I AM MOST INTERESTED IN THE TESTIMONY UNIFYING EXPERT AND THOUGHT PROCESS OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE LONGER. PLEASE DON'T PROTECT AN OLD, TIRED, OBSOLETE PROCESS. WE ARE NOT GOING TO PUT THAT ON YOU, WE ARE JUST GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE HINDSIGHT BY HIS COMMENT. COMMISSIONER SHELL.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: THANK YOU, DR. CATCH BELL, FOR BEING HERE.

START OFF WITH SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THAT YOU BRING UP ARE SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN NOTICED HEIFER FOR A LONG TIME.

WE TALK OF GROWTH, THE IMPORTANT.CONTEXT OF SHOWING GROWTH, THIS COUNTY HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. NOT JUST GROWTH BUT CHANGED DRAMATICALLY. THE GOVERNMENT HAS GROWN AND THE REGION WE REPRESENT HAVE GROWN IN POPULATION.

DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITIES THAT COME WITH THAT.

AND COUNTY GOVERNMENT AS YOU KNOW IS DIFFERENT THAN OTHER FORMS OF GOVERNMENT. IT IS MORNING SIMPLE AND BASIC AND STATUTORILY WITH LESS ROOM FOR CREATIVITY YOU SAY IN GENERAL AND LOOK AT COUNTY GOVERNMENT HOW IT IS EVOLVED WITH THAT FAST GROWTH IN TEXAS. COUNTY GOVERNMENT HAS PROBABLY LAGGED IN EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF ADDRESSING THAT FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF RNLS, SOME JUST HISTORICAL, CULTURAL.

SOME BECAUSE OF AUTHORITIES GRANTED BY THE STATE THROUGH ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT REASONS. I THINK PART OF THE ISSUE IS TO RECOGNIZE COUNTY GOVERNMENT ROAR HOW COUNTY GOVERNMENT WAS STARTED, HOW IT EVOLVED AND LALLED IN MANY DIFFERENT AREAS WHETHER JUST POLICIES WITH COMPENSATING EMPLOYEES BUT MANY OTHER THINGS AS WELL. AND YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY IS -- IS DEFINITELY BLESSED WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT -- THAT WANT TO WORK HERE. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE IN OUR FAVOR AND SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE PROBABLY GOTTEN THROUGH US TIMES WHEEL OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN WORSE HAPPY, AND WE ARE NORTHWEST THAT THE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WORK HERE BECAUSE THIS IS TRULY WHERE HE THIS THEY WANT TO WORK.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED WITHOUT SOMETHING GOING THROUGH HR. THAT DOES HAPPEN.

IN FACT, I DON'T THINK THE COURT HAS EVER CONSIDERED ANYTHING WITHOUT ASKING, HAS HR REVIEWED THIS OR HAVE OUR BUDGET OFFICE DO THIS. WHAT DOES THIS DO? WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THIS? HOW IN-DEPTH THAT IS, IT VARIES.

I WILL STAY SAY THAT THE -- IN THE NEAR PAST, THAT HAS ACCELERATED AND POLICIES OF VACANCIES AND PEOPLE LIVING LEAVING AND IT IS ACCELERATED. IN THE LAST YEAR, I WOULD SAY IT HAS GOTTEN TO BE MUCH MORE OF A PROBLEM IN THE PAST.

PICKING AND CHOOSING. JUST IN THE PAST YEAR BECAUSE OF MARKET CONDITIONS AND VACANCIES, IT HAS HAPPENED A LOT MORE AGED LOT FASTER AND NOT TO SAY THAT OUR POLICIES ARE THAT YOU GO TO HR, THAENLD RUN THIS UP. -- AND THEY RUN THIS UP.

AND IF YOU MAKE THE CHANGE YOU ARE EFFECTED 20 OTHER POSITIONS IN THE COUNTY. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET MORE THAN LIKELY YOU ARE DEALING WITH THIS POSITION.

YOU RECLASSIFY THEM YOU HAVE TO RECLASSIFY THEM ALL.

IT IS ACCELERATED GREATLY IN THE LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT -- DIFFERENT VARIABLES.

ONE THING THAT THE COUNTY HAS ALSO RELIED ON WHEN WE COMPARED OURSELVES TO THE MARKET IN THE PAST WAS TOTAL COMPENSATION AND NOT JUST THE SALARY, BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL AGREE, LIKE YOU SAID, IT IS NOT JUST WHAT SOMEBODY EARNS.

THEY WANT TO -- THEY WANT TO HAVE A GREAT QUALITY OF LIFE.

THEY WANT THEIR FAMILY TO LIVE IN A GOOD MACE.

THEY WANT TO WORK WITH GREAT PEOPLE.

THEY WANT TO BE -- THEY WANT TO BE CARED.

THEY WANT TO FEEL LIKE THEY ARE IMPORTANT.

THEY WANT TO BE PARTICIPANT OF SOMETHING THAT REDUCES SOME BENEFITS TO THEIR COMMUNITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I THINK THE COUNTY HAS RELIED ON THEM IN THE PAST, THE BENEFIT PACKAGE, AS MUCH AS JUST THE SALARY ARE BENEFITS COMPARED TO OTHERS LIKE HEALTH KAEFR AND RETIREMENT.

USUALLY WE ARE 3WE9ER ESPECIALLY THAN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND SOME PEOPLE MADE THE DECISIONS TO WORK FOR THE COUNTY NOT JUST BASED ON SOLELY THE SALARY, BUT ALSO OTHER TYPES OF BENEFITS.

AND THE COUNTY REF LIED ON THAT. AND I THINK MOST COUNTY GOVERNMENTS PROBABLY RELIED ON THAT VERY HEAVILY TO COMPETE OR

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HAYS COUNTY AT ONE POINT. A SCHOOL DISTRICT, CITY, COUNTY, NO LARGE EMPLOYERS. ALTHOUGH TRAVIS AND BEXAR WERE LARGE AREAS, THEY HAVE DEFINITELY CONSIDERED TO BE SOMEWHAT FAR A. WHEREAS NOW TODAY, WE REALIZE NOT MANY PEOPLE WOULD MENTION -- IF SOMEONE ASKED THEM WHERE THEY ARE FROM AND THEY ARE FROM SAN MARCOS, THEY MAY SAY SOUTH OF AUSTIN OR THE AUSTIN AREA. SOMEBODY LIVES IN NEW BRAUNFELS, THEY SAY THE SAN ANTONIO AREA. THAT IS BECOMING MORE PREVALENT WHERE THE ACTUAL COMPETITION FOR EMPLOYEES IS REGIONAL AND THAT PROBABLY DIDN'T EXIST THAT LONG AGO.

SOME OF THESE ISSUES ARE RELATIVELY NEW AND ADDRESSING THINGS ON APPEAR FLYING BY THE SEAT OF YOUR PANTS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM TYPE OF SOLUTIONS. WE -- I -- I GOT TO THE COUNTY IN JANUARY OF 2011. THATS WAS OBVIOUSLY A DITCH TIME ECONOMICALLY. NOT JUST FOR THE COUNTRY AND ALSO HEAR LOCALLY. NOT THAT THERE WAS WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER LARGE SCALE LAYOFFS OR THINGS THAT WE WOULD SEE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY OR DEPRECIATION OF PROPERTY VALUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT IT DEFINITELY WAS A SLOWER TIME COMING OUT OF THAT TIME IN OUR COUNTRY'S PAST.

AND THE. ONE COUNTY FIRST OKAY ACTIONS THAT WE MADE ON COMMISSIONERS COURT WAS TONE ACT A HIRING FREEZE. OPPOSITE SITUATION BEING ADDRESSED AT THE TIME. WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT POSITIONS WE NEED AND DON'T NEED BECAUSE THINGS WERE SLOWING DOWN. THERE WASN'T THE HUGE PRESSURE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ARE SEEING NOW.

IT WAS STARTING TO KIND OF GET BACK UP, ESPECIALLY STARTING TO REVITALIZE AND THOSE AREAS LIKE AUSTIN, BUT WE HAVEN'T QUITE SEEN IT. WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT APPROACH AT THAT POINT.

AND CHANGED DRAMATICALLY FROM STAGNANT ECONOMY.

DOING OKAY. ALL OF A SUDDEN RAMPING UP AND NO SLOWING DOWN FOR THE MOST PART.

I THINK THAT EX-ACERBATES WHAT YOU POINT OUT TRYING TO ADDRESS PIECEMEAL WITHOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A PAUSE AND GET YOUR HEAD UP ABOVE EVERYTHING, TAKE A LOOK, AND SAY WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS IT OVERALL.

THE 10% THAT HAD YOU MENTIONED, AND I DISAGREED WITH THAT ACTION OF THE 10% BEFORE NOT BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO COMPENSATE PEOPLE AND DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THAT LIKELY ANY STUDY WILL FIND PROBABLY AT LEAST 10%. I DIDN'T SEE THERE WAS A, LIKE, TRUE -- IT WAS -- JUST THAT I WOULD RATHER US GOTTEN ALL OF THIS TOGETHER BEFORE WE MADE DECISIONS WHERE TO SPEND THE MONEY WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR THIS YEAR TO TRY TO MEET A PLAN.

I PROBABLY STILL HAVE THE SAME OPINION NOW AND I DON'T ARGUE WITH THE INTENT OF% ACROSS THE BOARD WHEN -- 10% ACROSS THE BOARD WHEN IT IS DONE FOR A NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES.

I AM NOT GOING TO ARGUE OF THAT. WHAT I THOUGHT WAS MOST IMPORTANT THE WORK YOU ALL ARE DOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THE SITUATIONS AND PUT THEM IN CLASS IF HE OCCASION AND SAY WHERE THIS IS A FAIR COMPENSATION PLAN MULTI-FAMILY FOR THE MOWS OF HAYS COUNTY AND SEE WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.

OF WHERE DO MUCH PEOPLE FALL. LOOKING AT IT PLUS AND MINUS 95%. I THINK IT IS FAIR IN COMPARISON OF MOST POSITIONS. OBVIOUSLY THERE IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE SOMEONE THAT LOOKS -- WELL, I DO MORE THAN THAT PERSON AND THEY ARE A HIGHER GRADE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT IS HUMAN NATURE. THAT IS FINE.

BECAUSE WE ARE FAIRLY CLOSE-KNIT.

WE DO -- EVERYBODY DOESN'T KNOW IT AND EVERYBODY ELSE DOES.

AND EVERYBODY HAS OPINIONS ON THAT.

NO WAY TO FIX THAT. THERE ARE A FEW I WOULD ARGUE THAT WILL BE SOMEWHERE DIFFERENT.

THAT IS UP TO US ULTIMATELY WHERE WE VALUE CERTAIN THINGS BUT SOME TWEAKS I WILL MAKE HOOKING AT IT PACED UPON MY HISTORY HERE OR DEALING WITH PEOPLE CLOSELY.

ONE OTHER CHALLENGE THAT I WOULD SAY FOR COUNTY GOVERNMENT IN K35ERD TO OTHERS. WE HAVE OVER 0 ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT REPRESENT HAYS COUNTY IN SOME WAY OR THE OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE EMPLOYEES OF THE COUNTY.

AND MORE THAN THOSE WHO ANSWER TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT.

A WHOLE GROUP OF ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT DOES MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN SOME ORGANIZATIONS WHERE IT IS, YOU KNOW, SOME EXECUTIVE BODY AND THEN EVERYBODY ANSWERS TO SMEONE APPOINTED BY THAT EXECUTIVE BODY AND SORT OF GOES

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QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN COUNTY GOVERNMENT IN SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE. LIKE IT WAS MENTIONED, THOSE OFFICIALS COME AND GO EVERY TWO TO FOUR YEARS.

SOME DIFFERENT ONES CAN COME IN. THAT POSEYS SOME CHALLENGE IN MANAGE 789 OF POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.

THE -- AND IT ONE THING YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THE COUNTY JUDGE IS THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR WHICH I WILL COMPLETECALLY DISAGREE IN COUNTY GOVERNMENT. N OWE FEBRUARY TO THE COUNTY JUDGE AND THIS BODY IS THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR OF THE COUNTY AND THE WAY COUNTIES ARE SET UP IN TEXAS SO WOULD NEVER IN MY POSITION WANT ONE MEMBER OF THIS BODY TO SAY YES OR NO WITHOUT THIS BODY DECIDING. CAUSES AN AUTOMATIC PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE IDENTIFY AND WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AND EXPERIENCED TO ME, WE SHOULD NOT ASSUME THAT TO BUILD A POLICY AND PROCEDURE FOR MANAGEMENT OF A PAY PLAN OR WAGES OR REQUESTS FROM DEPARTMENTS. DO I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A POLICY THAT IS FOLLOWED AND GO THROUGH HR? YES, OF COURSE. BUT ULTIMATELY THIS BODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE IF WE VARY FROM THAT POLICY OR WHY AND WHY WE SHOULDN'T VARY FROM THAT POLICY.

>> I SAID JUST THAT. MY NAME WAS THE INFORMATION NEDS TO BE FILTERED SO YOU GET AN ACCURATE PICTURE BEFORE YOU MAKE A FINAL DECISION AS AN ENTITY.

SO I WAS NEVER SAYING THAT ONE PERSON SHOULD HAVE TOTAL AUTHORITY TO MAKE THE DECISION. I AM SAYING BEFORE YOU GUYS ACT, YOU NEED TO BE IN UNISON IN TERMS OF WHAT INFORMATION TO PRESENT AND YOU VOTE AS YOU CHOOSE.

THAT IS WHAT I SAID. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: I WANTED TO CLARIFY AND THE CHIEF WORKS FOR THE JUDGE'S OPTION AND DOES NOT REPRESENT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT.

>> I AM WELL AWARE OF THAT. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: THAT WON'T BE ANYTHING I EVER SUPPORT FROM A MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE.

BUT THE STEP PLAN, I -- WE HAVE STEP PLAN IN OUR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT WITH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.

I AM FAMILIAR WITH IT. YOU KNOW, IF I THOUGHT THERE WAS A WAY TO STRICTLY AND IN A DISCIPLINED WAY ADMINISTER THAT PROGRAM LIKE IT IS WITHIN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINLESS I WOULD LEAN MORE TOWARD THE STEP PLAN. WE HAVE PSEUDOSTEP PLANS FOR CERTAIN POSITIONS ALREADY. JUST THAT STRICT MANAGEMENT WHERE IS MY CONCERN AND GOES BACK TO WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT MAJORITY OF FIVE PEOPLE WILL MAKE DECISIONS AND I CAN SEE THE SAME PROBLEM WITH THE STEP PLAN AND WE BELIEVE THEY ARE ALL SPREAD IN THAT STEP PLAN SOMEWHAT, YOU KNOW, IN A LOGICAL WAY. AND THEN WE HAVE VACANCIES AND PEOPLE APPLYING FOR JOBS. IN COLLECTIVE BARGAINING IT IS VERY STRICT HOW SOMEONE IS HIRED INTO THE PLAN AND HIRED TO A CERTAIN LEVEL AND THE WAY IT WORKS.

WE WILL THEN BE MAKING SIMILAR DECISIONS OF VARYING FROM THAT POLICY AND HIRING SOMEBODY. AND SURE ENOUGH, THEY WILL GET HIRED AT A STEP WHATEVER AND WE HAVE OPINION HERE 15 YEARS AND STEP THIS. AND YOU JUST HIRED SOMEONE AT A STEP THAT. I THINK IT IS ULTIMATELY THE S SAME DECISION IF IT IS CALLED A STEP. I UNDERSTAND THAT FROM AN EMPLOYEE PERSPECTIVE THAT I CAN SEE IT IS GUARANTEED.

AND MAYBE THE COURT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHETHER OR NOT A FORMAL STEP BUT WHATEVER YOU WOULD CALL A COST OF LIVING OR SOME TYPE OF A STANDARD ADJUSTMENT, ESPECIALLY TO KEEP UP THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WITH INFLATION WHICH HAVEN'T DONE AND THE COURT HALLS HISTORICALLY -- IT'S -- SOME YEARS MERIT, SOME YEARS COST OF LIVING, SOME YEARS IT IS MORE. SOME YEARS IT IS LESS.

AND CAN CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR EMPLOYEES TRYING TO PLAN FOR TAKING CARE OF THEIR FAMILIES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

I AM NOT COMPLETELY DISAGREEING WITH THE STEP BUT THE IMPLEMENTATION I WOULD HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH.

BUT ULTIMATELY WE MAKE THE DECISION ON SPENDING IN PUBLIC MEETS WHICH IS ALSO DIFFERENT IN MANY ORGANIZATIONS IN FRONT OF THE PEOPLE THAT 35I FOR EVERYTHING WHICH PUTS IT AT A WHOLE KEMP LEVEL. YOU KNOW THE TAXPAYERS ARE SEEING THAT WE ARE BEING OVERTAXED.

WE ARE SITTING HERE IN PUBLIC SAYING WE WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY. OBVIOUSLY THERE IS GOING TO BE -- BE PRETTY INTENSE DISCUSSIONS OF HOW TO SPEND MONEY AND OFTENTIMES, WHEN WE ARE IN THAT BUDGET PROCESS, THAT RESULTS IN THE COURT SAYING LET'S PUT OFF SPENDING THAT MID TO UPPER BECAUSE IT IS NOT OURS. IT IS SOMEONE ELSE'S MONEY THAT WE HAVE ALLOCATING. COME TO THAT CONFLICT 30IPOINT THE END AND I HAVE SEEN THAT FROM ONE BUDGET TO THE NEXT PART

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LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE ARE -- EVERY POSITION LOOKING AT AND SPENDING THE TIME WITH IT, PLUS FOR MINUS 95% AND THIS IS VERY FAIR AND YOU BASED ON WHAT I KNOW AND BROUGHT IT WITH A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THINGS DIFFERENT WAYS BEFORE MAKING DECISIONS. I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE ALL THE

WORK Y'ALL PUT INTO IT. >>JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONER

SMITH. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: THANK YOU, JUDGE. BEFORE I MAKE MY COMMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK. I KNOW MISS TENORIO IS HERE AND K-8 IS ON THE EDGE THAT DEALS WITH THE 10% INCREASE AND IMPLEMENTATION. WOULD YOU MIND THEEPG JUST IN

CASE WE DELVE INTO IT. >>JUDGE BECERRA: I DO MIND.

I AM TRYING TO KEEP AN OVERALL FLOW.

MY INTENT, SINCE YOU ASKED, TO HAVE YOUR COMMENTS BE SPOKEN ON A COURT OF RECORD AND WE AT THAT HE CAN A TEN-MINUTE RECESS AND I AM VERY COGNIZANT OF THE REQUEST OF DEPARTMENT HEAD OF SPEAKING IN THIS SPACE. I UNDERSTAND THE AUDIENCE'S PERSPECTIVE AND CONCERN AND I UNDERSTAND THE COMMISSIONERS' REQUESTS AND THOSE WHO ATTENDED. SO SIEVES GOING TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND HAVE THOSE INDIVIDUALS HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO TALK. AND BEING IN THE SALARY SURVEY, THERE IS A STRONG OVERLAP ALREADY IN IT ANYWAY.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: OKAY, I JUST -- I AGREE THAT ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS SHUT HAVE A TIME TO SPEAK.

I AM NOT SAYING THAT, I AM JUST ASKING -- I AM JUST ASKING IF IT HAS A DIRECT IMPACT ON WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RELATIVE DURING THE DISCUSSION OF THE 10 PERCENT JUMZ JUMZ WE ARE GOOD

WITH THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: I WANT TO MAKE SURE AND TO GIVE MISS TENORIO THE OPPORTUNITY IF SHE NEEDS TO. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR EN PUT.

I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH 90% OF THE YOU MADE.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. AND THERE ARE MORE ON THE TECHNICAL SIDE AND I THINK. I WILL SINGLE OUT A COUPLE OF OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS AND I KNOW THE NEED THAT THEY HAVE AND THE NUMBERS THAT CAME OUT IN THE INITIAL REPORT.

AND I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS SPE SPECIFIC WHO TO THAT.

THE FIRST ONE, I GUESS, THIS INITIAL REPORT THAT YOU SAID THE OVERALL BUDGETARY IMPACT WAS 2.6 MILLION.

IN YOUR FINAL VERSION, I WROTE DOWN THE NUMBERS HERE, 3.2.

WHEN YOU COMBINE LONGEVITY, OF THE MOVEMENT TO THE MINIMUM PAY RATE, AND THEN REALLY THE ASSIGNMENT OF THE PROPER STEP.

MY QUESTION IS, LOOKING AT THE OVERALL -- THE CLASS COMPARISON STUDY THAT YOU PRESENTED TODAY, THE CHART YOU HAD, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE -- THOSE PAY GRADES AND THOSE STEP -- THOSE PAY GRADES, THEY ACTUALLY FROM THE -- FROM THE EARLY FEBRUARY REPORT TO THIS REPORT, THEY ACTUALLY WENT LOW -- WENT DOWN.

SO MY QUESTION IS WITH THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE GOING DOWN, HOW DID THE OVERALL NUMBER OR COST GO UP.

AND IT -- I AM JUST HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING THAT.

AND PROBABLY A VERY SIMPLE ANSWER.

>> IT IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. AS I SAID EARLY ON IN MY PRESENTATION, BECAUSE I CHANGED THE PERCENT SPREAD VERTICALLY BETWEEN GRADES. GO GRADES 1, 2, 3 DOWN THE LINE, A 8% DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN GRADES.

I MOVED IT TO 5, WHICH WAS MORE CONSISTENT WHAT YOU WILL FIND IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR. THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU ARE DOING THIS FOR A PUBLIC SAFETY ENTITY WHERE YOU HAVE THE RANK STRUCTURE AND YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE AMPLE ACCEPT REGENCY BETSUB ORDINANCE ORDINATES.

7 AND 8 MAKES SENSE. SINCE WE ARE NOT DOING A COMPREHENSIVE PUBLIC SAFETY, 5% WAS MORE APPROPRIATE.

SO THAT IS WHY THE COST WENT DOWN.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: OKAY. SO THE --

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH, SORRY, CAN I INTERRUPT REAL QUICK.

I AM SORRY DR. CAMPBEL -- >> AS MUCH VICKY DORSETT, BUDGET OFFICER. THE INITIAL REPORT HAD AN IMPLEMENTATION DATE OF MARCH 1, 2023.

COST WAS LOWER, $2.6 MILLION WITH IMPLEMENT STATE OF 3/1.

WHILE THE NEW REPORT IS A IF YOU WILL ANNUALIZED REPORT.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: GOTCHA. >> MAKES SOME DIFFERENCE, BUT THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE GOING FROM 8 TO 5.

>> WOULD HAVE BEEN INITIALLY $4.4 MILLION.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: THAT IS WHERE MY DISCONNECT WAS.

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AS I LOOK AT THE -- AS I HAVE GONE THROUGH THE INDIVIDUAL POSITIONS, I -- YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF THEM -- JUST BECAUSE OF THE ADJUSTMENTS THEY HAVE TO MAKE OVER THE LAST YEAR IN ORDER TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THE HIRING MARKET, THEY STAND OUT TO ME.

AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE IF WE LOOK AT THAT MEDIAN AREA OR THAT -- THAT MEDIAN LEVEL WITHIN THE PROPOSED RANGE, EVEN THE HIGH END ON SOME OF THEM, THEY REALLY -- WE HAVE NOT OF LATE BEEN ABLE RECRUIT AT THAT LEVEL. I AM GOING TO PICK ON APPEAR DEPARTMENT HEAD OR TWO. SPECIFICALLY I WILL PICK ON -- SINCE OUR D.A. IS HERE, I WILL PICK ON HIS OFFICE FOR A SECOND.

THE REASON I SAY THAT, AS WE LOOK AT THE D.A.'S OFFICE, YOU HAVE YOUR VICTIM ASSISTANCE COORDINATORS, YOUR INVESTIGATORS, YOUR ATTORNEYS. ALL THOSE LEVELS WOULD SAY -- I WOULD SAYS THERE MAYBE SOMEWHAT COMPETITIVE WHERE WE ENDED UP IN THE SURVEY, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT SPECIFIC TO HIS OFFICE, RECRUITING THOSE INDIVIDUAL ATTORNEYS, SPECIFICALLY AND THOSE INVESTIGATORS BECAUSE WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, I THINK WE RE-EVALUATED ALL OF THE INVESTIGATOR POSITIONS.

WE STILL HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS AT THAT SALARY LEVEL. AND I KNOW THAT YOU WEREN'T TASKED WITH FINDING OUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE CAN WE HIRE SOMEBODY AT. THAT WASN'T WHY YOU ARE JOB.

YOUR JOB WAS TO FIND THE MEDIAN, OR THE ACTUAL MARKET OUT THERE.

I WILL SAY THAT I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT OF HAVING FLEXIBILITY IN THIS REPORT, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE ARE CERTAIN INDIVIDUAL POSITIONS THAT I KNOW THAT -- THAT MAYBE WHAT THE MEDIAN PAY IS RIGHT NOW, BUT TO REPLACE THAT INDIVIDUAL, IT IS GOING TO COST US MORE MONEY.

AND THAT IS JUST A FACT OF THE MARKET THAT IS OUT THERE.

AND I -- AGAIN, I THINK THE ATTORNEYS THAT OUR D.A. HAD TO HIRE OVER THE LAST TWO OR THREE MONTHS REALLY FIT THAT MOLD.

ANOTHER ONE THAT JUMPS OUT TO ME BECAUSE I KNOW AS REALLY THE -- I DON'T KNOW ANOTHER WAY TO PUT IT, THE LACK OF PERSONNEL IN THAT AREA NATIONWIDE BUT SPECIFICALLY IN TEXAS AND EVEN MORE SPECIFICALLY IN THIS AREA REALLY FALLS INTO TWO -- TWO JOBS THAT REALLY STICK OUT TO ME.

NUMBER ONE IS COURT REPORTERS. I DON'T SAY THAT LIGHTLY.

I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES THAT OUR COURTS ARE ADDRESSING RELATIVE TO THAT AND AND THE OTHER IS PLANNERS IN OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. I HAVE SPECIFICALLY SPOKEN TO A NUMBER OF MUNICIPALITIES ALL HAVE POSITIONS OPEN FOR PLANNER RIGHT NOW AND ALL ARE PROGRESSING THAT INDIVIDUAL JOB OF PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY. I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF SOME TYPE OF PROGRESSION PROGRAM AND STEP PROGRAM.

I, TOO, CAME OUT OF THE FEDERAL SYSTEM.

I WORKED IN THE FEDERAL SYSTEM FOR ABOUT A DECADE.

AND I HAVE REALLY LIKE HAVING -- GIVING OUR EMPLOYEES SOME TYPE OF UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WILL BE AT LEAST A MINIMUM LONG DEFENDANT THERE, WHETHER THAT IS 1% OR WHATEVER.

SENSE I HAVE BEEN ON THE COURT, WE HAVE DONE AT LEAST THAT EVERY YEAR. BUT GIVING THEM A SET RATE FOR LONGEVITY I THINK WILL BE -- WILL BE BENEFICIAL IN SOME TYPE OF STEP SITUATION. I DO, HOHOWEVER BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO PRESERVE THE MERIT PORTION OF THAT.

NOSE TWO FACTORS THAT YOU RECOMMENDED.

THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF JOBS IN OUR COUNTY THAT, OVER TIME, AND -- AND I WILL SAY ONE OF OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVES IN THE TAX OFFICE.

WE MAY HAVE A CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE DOING THE SAME JOB, ASSISTING OUR -- OUR CONSTITUENTS SITTING IN A WINDOW FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS. AND THE PERSON WHO IS HIRED TOMORROW WILL NOT UNDERSTAND THAT JOB AS WELL AS THE PERSON WHO HAS BEEN DOING IT FOR 15 YEARS.

WITHIN SECRETARIES MONDAYS OR TWO MONTHS, HOPEFULLY THEY WILL BE TREND UP TOP OF PERFORM THAT JOB AT THE SAME LEVEL OF THAT PERSON WHO HAS BEEN THERE BECAUSE OF THE JOB PRESCRIPTION ITSELF. MY CONCERN IS THAT IF WE GO TO A STRICTLY STEP WITH NO MERIT, THEN THAT PERSON WHO IS THERE FOR THREE MONTHS AND HAPPENS TO BE WORKING AT THE SAME JOB OF THE PERSON THERE FOR 15 YEARS BUT SERVICES 30 CONSTITUENTS A DAY COMPARED TO THE PERSON 15 YEARS ONLY SERVICES FIVE.

I WANT TO GUARANTEE THE FLEXIBILITY FOR OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS WHERE THEY CAN RECOGNIZE THAT SERVICE.

AGAIN I THINK THAT OVERALL, THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE

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AGAIN, IT HAS BEEN MENTIONED THAT JUSTICE CLERKS.

I -- THAT IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME FLEXIBILITY SHOWN ON BEHALF OF THE COURT.

I THINK SOME GOOD POINTS HAVE BEEN MADE THERE.

JUST AS A GENERAL OBSERVATION, LOOKING AT IT, IT LOOKS TO ME AS THOUGH WHERE I SEE THE MOST, THERE IS REALLY TWO AREAS WHERE I SEE THAT FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THOSE EMPLOYEES AT THAT CURRENT MARKET RATE, WE WOULD HAVE JUST A REALLY HARD TIME BECAUSE WE HAD THAT HARD TIME IN THE PAST.

AND WHENEVER I SAY "THE PAST" I DON'T MEAN YEARS AGO, I MEAN THE LAST TWO MONTHS OR THE FOUR MONDAYS.

AND THAT IS LAW ENFORCEMENT, JUDICIARY, THOSE SUPPORT ROLES INCH THOSE AREAS. THEY ARE REALLY HARD TO RECRUIT.

THEY ARE SUCH A SPELLINGSIZED AREA.

AND THE SECOND IS OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE GROWING SO SUBSTANTIALLY SO QUICKLY THAT EVERY MUNICIPALITY WITHIN OUR AREA, WHETHER IT IS ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY IN HAYS COUNTY OR BASTROP OR COMAL OR CALDWELL, THOSE INDIVIDUALS POSITIONS ARE HARD TO FELL AND THEY ARE HARD TO FILED SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY, VERY FEW RESUMES THAT COME IN BECAUSE ALL OF THEM HAVE SEVEN JOB -- SEVEN JOB INTERVIEWS AND FOUR JOB OFFERS IF THEY HAVE THEIR CREDENTIALS TO DO THE JOB.

I DO APPRECIATION 1998 YOUR WORK.

I THINK IT WAS YOMAN'S WORK. AND I KNOW IT TAKES TIME.

I APPRECIATE IT. AND I JUST ALSO WANT TO SHARE WITH OUR -- WITH THE REST OF THE COURT THAT I MADE A COMMITMENT A MONTH AGO I WANTED TO SEE THIS IMPLEMENTED SUBJECT TO MARCH 1.

RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE REPORT ARE TO -- TO IMPLEMENT IT ON OCTOBER 1. YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR EMPLOYEES AND OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVE BEEN WAITING AND I KNOW IT WILL TAKE MORE MONEY. I'M WILLING TO TRY TO FIND WHERE THAT IS AT. I THINK THAT OUR -- OUR EMPLOYEES DESERVE IT. BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR SO LONG AND THE COMMITMENTS WE MADE PRIOR TO THIS BUDGET YEAR TO OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE IMPORTANT TO ME.

AND THE LAST POINT I WILL MAKE IS WHENEVER YOU ADDRESS THE 10%, THAT 10% INCREASE IN PAY, I FIRMLY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SHELL IT IS PROBABLY NEEDED FOR OUR EMPLOYEES BUT THE EXACT SAME ARGUE YOU MADE RELATIVE TO IMPLEMENTATION I MADE IN COURT THAT DAY. I SAID I CAN'T -- I AM NOT THE PERSON TO BE ABLE TO JUDGE WHETHER OR NOT A PERSON MAKING $48,000 A YEAR NEEDS TO MAKE THAT 10% INCREASE MORE THAN THE PERSON WHO IS MAKING $51,000 OR $50,000 A YEAR.

AND WHERE WE CHOSE THE PAY GRADE TO MAKE THAT DELINEATION AND THAT CUTOFF HAPPENS TO BE THE RANGE THAT HI JUST MENTIONED.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, I FELT LIKE WE NEEDED TO EVALUATE ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND NOT JUST DO A KNEE-JERK REACTION AND I STILL FEEL THAT WAY. I STILL FEEL THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS OUR EMPLOYEES EQUALLY AND I FEEL LIKE WE DIDN'T DO IT THAT WAY. I APPRECIATE IT THOSE COMMENTS, AND WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE DEPARTMENT HEADS

AS WELL. >>JUDGE BECERRA: ANY RESPONSE.

TEN-MINUTE RECESS AND CLEAR THE COURT ROOM AND HAVE THOSE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND DEPARTMENT HEADS HERE FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM THAT WANT TO BE HEARD, ALLOW THEM TO BE HEARD NEXT EX- SEE, THERE IS MORE THAN ONE WAY TO SKIN A CAT.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: CAN WE ALLOW THAT?

>>JUDGE BECERRA: WE CAN PULL THIS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION? LET ME ASK THIS WAY, HOW CAN WE PULL THE AGENDA ITEM INTO

EXECUTIVE SESSION. >> YOU COULD POST FOR THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OF COURT PERSONNEL ITEMS FOR PARTICULAR DEPARTMENTS IF YOU WISHED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION NEXT EX- CURRENTLY, WE CAN PULL ANY ITEM INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR CONSULTATION FOR COUNSEL, BUT ONLY FOR THAT PURPOSE.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: SO ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO REPLY TO, ALL THOSE IDEAS AND SUGGESTIONS AND COMMENTS?

>> JUST QUICKLY. NO MATTER HOW WELL OF SALARY STUDY IS DONE, YOU GO THE TO HAVE POLICIES THAT SUPPORT IT IN TERMS OF SALARY AND COMPENSATION AND ADMINISTRATION.

ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED, AS LONG THERE ARE POLICIES TO ADDRESS THOSE, IT WILL WORK JUST FINE.

IT IS NOT DESIGNED TO LIMIT YOUR ABILITY TO HIRE EXPERIENCED PEOPLE OR GO OUT AND COMPETE WITH OTHERS.

IT IS A FRAMEWORK FOR CONSISTENCY AND EQUITY.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: THAT'S RIGHT. WE MUST REMEMBER THAT ALL THESE ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS UP HERE. IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT WE ARE

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. >>JUDGE BECERRA: SO TURN IT PACK ON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY, SO -- SO AS THE BEAT GOES ON.

THE CONVERSATION CONTINUES. AS I WAS SAYING A MINUTE AGO, BUT WE HAVE A LOT GOING ON AND EVERYBODY IS EXCITED AND NECESSARY SO SAY THIS I AM GOING TO PULL THIS ITEM INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO GET SOME DIRECTION. I CAN GET DIRECTION FROM GENERAL COUNSEL. IF PLEASE CLEAR THE COURT ROOM.

I HATE TO SAY IT THIS WAY. PLEASE CLEAR THE COURT ROOM.

I WILL PULL THIS ITEM INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

. >>JUDGE BECERRA: OKAY, SO WE ARE BACK FROM A SHORT EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AND NOW WHAT WE WILL DO IS -- THIS AGENDA ITEM IS STILL OPEN.

SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THE FLOW OF THINGS, DEPARTMENT HEADS, ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS AGENDA ITEM ON THE SALARY PIECE, RAISE YOUR HAND. ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN. OKAY.

SO WE WILL START WITH JUDGE JIMMY ALAN HALL SINCE HE ACTUALLY SIGNED UP FOR IT. HOWEVER YOU WANT TO LINE UP AFTER HIM, FEEL FREE TO GIVE US YOUR COMMENTS.

THIS IS A COURT OF RECORD. YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT DID I SOUND GOOD, YOU CAN ALWAYS REWIND AND LOOK AT THE VIDEO.

THE INTENT -- I KNOW YOU GET THIS AND I WANT TOP MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS. INTENT TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM SPECIFICALLY. DON'T VEER FOR THIS THEN I WILL STOP YOU. IDEALLY SAY YOUR PEACE AND, OF COURSE, YOU CAN ADDRESS DR. CAMPBELL'S COMMENTS OR OUR COMMENTS. ALL YOURS.

>> JIMMY ALAN HALL, JUDGE. I SPOKE TO YOU FROM MY PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION TRAINING, AS WELL AS TEACHING BACKGROUND.

I HAVE READ DR. CAMPBELL'S REPORT.

I AGREE WITH.WHOLEHEARTEDLY AND I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT HE PUT INTO IT. TO IDENTIFY WHERE WE ARE AS Y'ALL HAVE DISCUSSED, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT BACKGROUND IN ORDER TO GO FORWARD. AND I AGREE WITH THE GRADE AND STEP PLAN. AND HE ANSWERED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD ALREADY IN HIS PRESENTATION AND BASED UPON HIS RESPONSES TO YOUR QUESTIONS SO I HAVE LESS TO SAY.

I DO SUPPORT IT. I DO SUPPORT THE -- EXTENDING THE 10% RAISE TO THE REST OF THE STAFF AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, ASAP.

AND I WILL ASK DR. BROWN QUESTIONS LATER ON ANY TWEAKS.

ONE OF THE ISSUES HE RAISED WAS EXEMPT VERSUS NONEXEMPT WHICH IS A BIG ISSUE IN OUR OFFICE BECAUSE OUR COURT REPORTERS PUNCHING A TIME CLOCK THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER. I THINKING THAT IS AN ISSUE EITHER DR. CAMPBELL AS PART OF THIS PROCESS OR HR NEEDS TO ADDRESS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT IS EVEN ALLOWED OR REQUIRED OR INCONSISTENT WITH THE FAIR LABOR STANDARDS ACT.

IF OTHERWISE, I SUPPORT THE COURT IN OUR EFFORT TO HAVE THE COMPENSATION SYSTEM FOR THE EMPLOYEES TO BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE AND THAT BIG ISSUE THAT I MENTIONED WHEN WE WERE HERE BEFORE OF THE GETTING THE COURT REPORTER RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION. RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION.

I GOT A 1:30 DOCKET, SO I GOT TO GO.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, JUDGE, APPRECIATE YOUR NAME.

JUDGE BROWN. >> SHE HAD NO GO.

WE HAVE HAYS COUNTY BAR ASSOCIATION MEETING IN THE COURT

ROOM. >>JUDGE BECERRA: YOU COVERED HER

COMMENTS. >> WE ARE IN AGREEMENT.

ALL THREE OF US JUDGES ARE IN LOCKSTEP OF MY COMMENTS TODAY.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: ESCONDIDO STABLE PETERSON, DID YOU RAISE YOUR STAND IN I WILL GO FROM MY LEFT TO RIGHT.

THIS FORMAT. SEE YOURSELF AS NEXT THEN AND

KEEP GOING. >> COMMISSIONERS, JUDGE, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL SUPPORTING THIS SURVEY WITH DR. CAMPBELL. MY 17 YEARS WITH THE COUNTY, I HAVE SEEN SEVERAL SURVEYS DONE AND -- YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS DEPENDS ON HR. WITH MY EXPERIENCE IN YEARS OF GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE SURVEY S HAS BEEN GREAT AND I DON'T

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THERE ARE A LOT OF EMPLOYEES IN THE COUNTY THAT DEPEND ON ELECTED OFFICIALS. DEPEND ON PUBLIC PEOPLE TO SELECT THE PUBLIC OFFICIALS TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

AND THESE SURVEYS WITH RAISES MEAN A LOT TO OUR CLERKS.

OUR CLERKS ARE NUMBER ONE, MUCH LESS I SAY THEY ARE NUMBER ONE.

ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE NUMBER ONES, AND WITH YOUR BLESSINGS THE COURT COMING UP WITH SOMETHING AND GETTING BACK WITH YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS GETTING BACK TO THEIR EMPLOYEES MEAN A LOT TO THEM.

SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.

SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN HERE A SHORT TIME.

BUT THEY APPLY FOR THESE JOBS WITH THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GO TO WORK FOR THE COUNTY.

THEY SOME OF THEM HAVE FROM HERE AND SOME ARE NOT FROM HERE AND A LOT OF THINGS WHAT IS GOING CONTINUE TO WITH YOU ARE OUR CITY AND COUNTY. WE DO A LOT OF JOINT THINGS TOGETHER THAT MEAN A LOT TO YOU BECAUSE EMPLOYEES THAT COME FROM THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. EMPLOYEES THAT LEAVE FROM THE COUNTY THAT GO TO THE CITY. HE THINKS THE BALL REALLY LAYS IN THE COURT'S HANDS TO MAKE THOSE SUGGESTIONS.

AND TO THE ELECTED OFFICIALS TO GET BACK WITH THE EMPLOYEES TO SHOW THEM THAT, HEY, WE CARE. WE CARE ABOUT WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU DO FOR US. SO IT IS A CIRCLE OF WORKING WITH EVERYONE WITHIN THIS COUNTY.

I APPRECIATE IT AND IF WE ALL WILL TAKE SOME OF DR. CAMPBELL'S ADVICE BECAUSE IT IS WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE DO.

REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, CONSTABLE.

JUDGE. BATTER UP.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AS SHE MAKES HER WAY TO THE PODIUM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME, JUDGE, COMMISSIONERS, EVERYONE HERE. I AM SANDRA BRYANT JUDGE SANDRA BRYANT. I AM A PRECINCT 5 JUDGE AND IT NEWLY ELECTED TO HAYS COUNTY. SO I HAVE BEEN ON THE JOB A LITTLE OVER THREE MONTHS. AND I REALLY LIKE WHAT I DO.

WITH THAT ELECTION, I HAVE COME INTO -- I HAVE THREE STAFF THAT SIT UNDER ME. AND THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR AND TWO JUSTICE CLERKS. SO IN REFERENCE TO THE MAG STUDY. I AM GLAD IT WAS COMPLETED AND DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE, ALWAYS A SALARY SURVEY AND ON DOWN THE LINE, BUT THEY NEVER GET THE RESULTS.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO POINT OUT SOME DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN THE CLERKS I HAVE NOW AND CLERKS THAT WERE THERE.

I ASKED FOR A DATA -- SOME DATA INFORMATION FROM HR, AND THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE HAVE LOST ANYWHERE FROM SEVEN TO POSSIBLY NINE CLERK STAFFS IN THE JP OFFICE.

AND WITH THAT LOSS, WE HAVE LOST OVER 20 YEARS EXPERIENCE WITHIN THAT AREA AND CURRENTLY I HAVE A COURT ADMINISTRATOR BEEN THERE 16 YEARS AND TWO NEW EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE JUNE AND APRIL. AND THEN YOU HAVE A NEW JUDGE.

SO IMAGINE THE -- WHAT WE HAVE TO ENDURE DURING THIS PROCESS.

I RAN FOR THIS POSITION AND I AM GLAD I NEED TO DO WHATEVER I NEED TO DO TO MAKE CERTAIN WE SUCCEED.

IN DOING THAT I NEED TO SPEAK UP ON BEHALF OF ALL THE JPS THAT ARE HERE IN HAYS COUNTY TO REPRESENT THEM ON THE -- AS THE -- AS THE COURTS. THEY HAVE LOST THEIR CLERKS GOING TO DIFFERENT DISTRICTS BASED ON -- THEY HAVE LESS WORK AND MORE PAY. AND IN ORDER TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN QUALITY JUSTICE CLERKS, IT IS EMPER I HAVE IT THAT WE LOOK ACROSS THE BOARD AND LOOK AT THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT EACH CLERK HAS, NOT THE PERSON, BUT THE POSITION AND THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF EACH CLERK. AS YOU KNOW I E-MAILED EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU WITH A JUSTICE CLERK NEW JOB DESCRIPTION.

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I THINK THAT IS VERY CRUCIAL IN MAKING DECISIONS ON THE UNIFIED CODE AND THE JOB PLACEMENT OR -- FOR OUR CLERKS, BECAUSE THEY DO HANDLE A LOT OF CIVIL, CRIMINAL, AND THEY DO COLLECT MID TO UPPER. AND OTHER CASES THAT I HEAR.

SO I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE -- THE CODE, THAT THAT IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

AND IF WE ARE LOOKING AT CODES ACROSS THE BOARD, DEPUTY CLERK AND SUCH, THAT YOU CONSIDER A GRADE OF 114 INSTEAD OF A 111, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING COMING FROM A 10 #.

THEY WERE RANKED WITH THE ROAD -- EXCUSE ME WITH THE KIVEN AIDES AND WAS FIRST -- WHEN I FIRST CAME ON BOARD.

AND WE CLEARLY KNOW THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT JOB DESCRIPTIONS.

I WILL ASK YOU THAT CONSIDER RANKING THEM HIGHER TO 115, TO REACH THE DESCRIPTION OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, JUDGE.

APPRECIATE IT. OUR D.A. IS NEXT.

MR. HIGGINS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

NUCHL FILL BE VERY BRIEF. I'M HERE BECAUSE I HAVE TWO SMALLER AGENDA ITEMS THAT WILL WAIT.

I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSIONERS TO FINALIZE THIS AT THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY.

ONE SHORT STORY TO ILLUSTRATE WHY THAT IS.

A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, I WAS NOTIFIED BY ONE OF THE BEST CANDIDATES FOR ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY THAT I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO LOCATE SINCE TAKING OFFICE THAT SHE WOULD TAKE A JOB IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY. THAT IS BECAUSE I WAS UNABLE TO TELL HER HOW MUCH MONEY I COULD OFFER.

I NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY I CAN OFFER LAWYERS IN ORDER TO ATTRACT THEM TO THIS COUNTY. I AM GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR NOW. OF COURSE I WANT THESE RAISES FOR THE BALANCE OF MY STAFF, BUT AT THIS POINT, HONESTLY, I AM STILL TRYING TO RECRUIT THE LAWYERS IT TAKES TO KEEP THIS COMMUNITY SAFE. AND I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO FINALIZE A DECISION SO THAT I HAVE CONCRETE NUMBERS I CAN WORK WITH, AS I TALK TO THE CANDIDATES APPLYING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL WAIT MY TURN FOR MY OTHER

AGENDA ITEMS. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, MR. HIGGINS. MISS DORNOF, I THINK YOU ARE

NEXT. >> TALK TO JUDGE BRYANT REAL

QUICK. >>JUDGE BECERRA: A GREAT IDEA.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: JEFF, YOU WILL BE NEXT AND KEEP GOING AFTER

THAT. >> OKAY, I, AGAIN, WANT TO THANK DR. CAMPBELL FOR COMING. I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT EXERCISE WE HAVE GONE THROUGH AD I THINK IT IS PAST TIME AND I AM GRATEFUL FOR ALL OF YOU ALL FOR SEEING THAT AND LETTING US GO DO THIS EXERCISE. I ALSO AGREE WE NEED TO HURRY UP AND GET THIS DONE BECAUSE IT HAS GONE ON A LONG TIME AND I WANT TO MAKE THE SURE TO TAKE THE TIME TO DO IT RIGHT.

WE NEED SOMETHING SUSTAINABLE THAT CAN HE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO IT AGAIN UNTIL THE TIME COMES UP FOR US TO DO IT AGAIN IN THE DRAFT IT WAS CLASSIFIED AT 1 # 3 AND CAME DOWN TO 132. I HEARD FROM DR. CAMPBELL THIS IS ALL DATA DRIVEN AND ALL THE INFORMATION AND SPITS OUT THIS INFORMATION. SO GIVEN THAT DESCRIPTION OF THE PROCESS I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CHANGE FROM ONE TO IT THE OTHER AND YOU GO TO A LOWER PAY. I WOULD APPRECIATE KNOWING THAT.

BECAUSE MY DESCRIPTION AND -- ALL THE INFORMATION I GAVE DIDN'T CHANGE. SO I AM NOT SURE HOW THAT CHANGED. I DON'T THINK -- I DID HEAR THAT THERE IS A GLOBAL -- THEY TAKE GLOBAL DATA AND PUT IT IN THIS DATABASE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT OTHER DEPARTMENTS, BUT IN ELECTION ADMINISTRATION, THAT IS NOT REALLY GOING TO GIVE YOU A GOOD IDEA OF HOW AN ELECTION ADMINISTRATOR SHOULD BE PAID IN DIFFERENT STATES BECAUSE NATIONALLY, THEY ARE ALL DONE DIFFERENTLY AND EVEN IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, EVERY COUNTY IS DONE DIFFERENTLY.

SO SOME ELECTION ADMINISTRATORS DO VOTER REGISTRATION AND ELECTIONS. SOME DON'T.

SOME ARE ELECTED. SOME ARE NOT.

I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW HOW HE CAME UP WITH THAT, BECAUSE I DID MY OWN MARKET STUDY OF OUR COUNTIES IN OUR MARKET. AND SO I THINK I WAS MORE APPROPRIATELY GRADED IN THE INITIAL DRAFT.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, MY ASSISTANT, SHE HAS BEEN DOING HER JOB FOR 20 YEARS. SHE JUST RECENTLY WAS PROMOTED

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SO SHE COULD EFFECTIVELY QUIT RIGHT NOW, COME BACK IN SECRETARIES MONTHS AND MAKE 25% MORE THAN WHAT SHE IS IN THIS STUDY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HER POSITION LOOKED AT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT IS CLASSIFIED CORRECTLY. AND THEN DURING THE FACE-TO-FACE MEETING WITH DR. CAMPBELL, WE TALKED OF MY DAP ADMINISTRATIVE 1 POSITION AND SEEMED TO BE IN AGREEMENT HE WAS DOING MORE STUDIES THAN THE ADMINISTRATIVE 1 AND IN THIS DRAFT, HE IS STILL A ADMIN 1 AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT LOOKED UP.

I GAVE THE E-MAILS TO SHERRY AND AVAILABLE IF YOU NEED THEM.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

JEFF -- MR. MC GILL. >> INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY DIRECTOR. I PRETTY MUCH AGREE WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID IN THE STUDY.

THIS WILL GO A LONG WAY HELPING US RECRUIT EMPLOYEES AT THE APPROPRIATE GRADES AND MAINTAIN. THE ONLY CONFUSION THAT I HAVE AND, OF COURSE, NOT JUST WITH MY DEPARTMENT, BUT I NOTICE THAT ON THE LONGEVITY PORTION, I CAN'T MAKE RHYME OR REASON WHAT STEPS EMPLOYEES WERE BASED ON THEIR LONGEVITY.

I KNOW DR. CAMPBELL EXPLAINS THAT THERE WAS LIKE A 5%.

THAT 5% IF YOU ARE HERE ONE OTHEROR 20 YEARS OR 25 OR 30 YEARS, IS THERE THE SAME 5% OR ON A SCALE? BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT THERE IS NO -- THERE IS NO SCALE ON THE LONGEVITY ADJUSTMENT FOR ANY OF THE POSITIONS -- OR AT LEAST SOME IN MY OFFICE. AND LOOKS LIKE -- ACCORDING TO WHAT JENNIFER SAID, SOME OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE WITH LONG-TERM EMPLOYEES THAT AREN'T GETTING LONGEVITY ABOVE THE 5%.

MORE OF A QUESTION THAN IT IS A COMMENT.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGE.

MICHAEL BERLAT, I AM THE DEVELOPMENT MAJOR FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. HERE ON BEHALF OF OUR DIRECTOR WHO WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT TODAY.

WE ARE IN AGREEANCE WITH EVERYTHING SAID.

WE HAVE A COUPLE OF POSITIONS TO BE LOOKED AT.

OUR CHIEF ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALIST SHOULD BE GRADED THE TIME AS OUR PROGRAM MANAGER FOR OUR GIS DEPARTMENT.

WE BELIEVE THAT OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SPECIALIST DUE TO EDUCATION AND CERTIFICATION WITH INDIVIDUAL POSITIONS SHOULD BE GRADED A LITTLE HIGHER POSSIBLY AROUND THE 120 AND 121 GRADE. PLANNING TECH, ADMINISTRATIVE 3 AND GIS TECHNICIAN HAVE SIMILAR RESPONSIBILITIES.

WE BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE AT THE SAME GRADE OF A 116.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>JUDGE BECERRA: CONSTABLE, I THINK YOU ARE THE LAST ONE. JERRY, YOU TOO.

OKAY, OKAY. >> COMMISSIONERS, JUDGE, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID HERE, I COMPLETELY AGREE. I SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL.

I WOULD LIKE THIS COURT COURT TO ALSO CONSIDER -- I KNOW YOU WILL, BUT I WANT YOU TO YOU TO GIVE IT WHY YOUR IF YOU WILL THOUGHT. THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN GOING ON YEAR FOR HAYS COUNTY FOR SUPERVISORS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS. THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT INITIATIVE AND MOVE THIS PROPOSAL FORWARD.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO IT SOONER THAN LATER.

I AM NOT SURE IF WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL OCTOBER, IF WE DO, THAT IS WHAT IT IS. IF WE CAN IMPLEMENT IT SOOVENER, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. I WANT TO THANK DR. CAMPBELL FOR THE REPORT AND THE EFFORT THAT WENT INTO IT.

I THOUGHT HE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB IN PRESENTING THE FACTS TO THE COURT. I HAVE TWO ISSUES I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS REGARDING HIS COMMENTS.

ONE OF THEM -- HE MADE REFERENCE TO A SOFTWARE THAT HE WOULD MAKE AVAILABLE TO THE COUNTY. I AM JUST -- I WANT TO CLARIFY, IS THAT GOING TO COST THE COUNTY IN ADDITION TO HAVE THIS SOFT WARE TO -- IT IS NOT? IT IS NOT.

IT IS PART OF THE CONTRACT. OKAY.

GOOD CLARIFICATION. AND ALSO ANY UPGRADES, BECAUSE MARKET CHANGES AND PERCENT WILL CHANGE.

ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE UPGRADES AND ANY REVISIONS THAT COME DOWN THE PIKE FROM THAT?

>>JUDGE BECERRA: I WILL ASK. I WILL LET YOU KNOW.

>> AND THE FINAL COMMENT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS -- HE ALSO MADE A COMMENT OF A FIVE-YEAR REVIEW. THAT THIS SHOULD BE REVIEWED EVERY FIVE YEARS. WE ARE ALL BUSY.

UP KNOW HOW -- IF I GAVE YOU A DEADLINE OF SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, LIKE ME, YOU WILL PROBABLY WAIT UNTIL THE FIFTH MONTH TO GET THINGS STARTED. A RECOMMENDATION OF FIVE YEARS,

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AND HR TO REVIEW. I THINK MORE REALISTICALLY, A TWO TO THREE-YEAR WINDOW WILL BE MORE APPROPRIATE.

THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. >>JUDGE BECERRA: WONDERFUL, AND THAT YOU ARE, MR. BORCHERDING FOLLOWED BY MISS CRUMLEY.

>> JERRY BORCHERDING, DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION.

JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. OF COURSE, I DO AGREE WITH ALL THE POSITIVE THOUGHTS OF THE GOOD DOCTOR AND HIS ANALYSIS.

IT IS VERY EYE OPENING AND VERY HELPFUL, HE BELIEVE.

ONE THING I WANT TO CAUTION -- AND THIS WAS BROUGHT UP PRIOR TO THE FIRST 10% DISCUSSION. THE 11% UNDER MARKET IS AN AVERAGE. SO THERE WERE SOME AT THAT TIME THAT WERE OVER MARKET. BY SOME AMOUNT AND SOME UNDER MARKET. THE 10% ACROSS THE BOARD KIND OF.FED INTO THE NEGLECT TESTIFY ASPECTS OF THAT.

AND WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AGAIN LET ME REPHRASE THAT.

I DO AGREE WITH THE 10% ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT I THINK THOSE NUMBERS SHOULD BE FED BACK INTO THE PROCESS TO SEE WHAT -- HOW THINGS CHANGE ON THE SYSTEM OUTPUT.

THAT IS JUST MY FEELING ABOUT THAT.

AS FAR AS POSITIONS IN TRANSPORTATION, DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS OF THE FEEDING THROUGH SHERRY, THE HR DEPARTMENT, DEALING WITH THE STEP SYSTEM. I HAVE, AS AN EXAMPLE, SUPERINTENDENTS -- ONE SUPERINTENDENT WITH 25 YEARS EXPERIENCE AND ANOTHER WITH 13 YEARS' EXPERIENCE.

AND THE. STEP SEPARATION IS HUGE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO GO OVER THAT WITH -- WITH HR.

ONE STRONG COMMENT THAT THE DOCTOR MADE ABOUT OUR JOB DESCRIPTIONS. AND BEING 20 YEARS BEHIND THE TIMES. EVERY HR DIRECTOR THAT I HAVE EXPERIENCED IN MY TENURE YEAR HAS ASKED OVER AND OVER AGAIN THE DEPARTMENT HEADS VERY VIES THEIR JOB DESCRIPTIONS.

THAT IS HARD WORK. BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS NEED TO DO. I AM NOT SO SURE IT IS THAT NEGATIVE POINT IS AT THE FEET OF HR.

I THINK IT IS AT THE FEET OF THE -- OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JUDGE JUDGE THANK YOU, SIR.

MR. MISS CRUMLEY. WE WILL GO TO DR. CARDENAS.

>> TAMMY CRUMLEY, DIRECTOR OF COUNTYWIDE OPERATIONS.

I WANT TO ECHO WHAT EVERYONE ELSE SAID.

APPRECIATE DR. CAMPBELL AND MACK FOR EVERYTHING THEY HAVE DONE.

FOR THE MOST PART I APPRECIATE AND AGREE WITH THE REPORT.

I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT, BUT NOTHING I WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT. I JUST WANT TO ASK THE COURT THAT YOU SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THE OTHER HALF OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT WERE NOT IN THAT 10%. IT DID HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THOSE THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED. NOT JUST FROM OBVIOUSLY THEIR PAYCHECK, BUT ANOTHER MORALE AND THIS IS MY ONLY ASK.

EXCLUDING MYSELF. I DON'T FEEL LIKE I FALL IN THAT CATEGORY. I DON'T ASK FOR MYSELF BUT FOR

THE EMPLOYEES. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, MISS CRUMLEY, THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS FOR THE 10% FOR EVERYONE UNDER THE $100,000. BUT I HAVE EVERY INTENTION OF PULLING THAT PERCENTAGE GRADE THAT WE CHOSE -- I DON'T KNOW 114 OR WHATEVER IT WAS. I HAVE EVERY INTENTION TO MAKE A MOTION WHEN WE ARE DONE WITH THIS TO INCLUDE EVERYONE ELSE.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >>JUDGE BECERRA: DR. CARDENAS.

>>DR. CARDENAS: 'LANE CARDENAS, THE HAYS COUNTY CLERK.

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I THOUGHT IT WAS WELL-DONE AND HOW IT WAS CALCULATED AND I SUPPORT IT COMPLETELY. LIKE SOME OF THE OTHERS, I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED RIGHT AWAY EFFECTIVE MARCH 1.

WE NEED TO GET ON WITH IT. TO ME THE $667,000 DIFFERENCE SEEMS MANAGEABLE AND I HOPE WE CAN FIND OTHER PLACES IN THE BUDGET TO PULL FROM AND DO IT SOONER RATHER THAN WAITING

ANOTHER SIX, SEVEN MONTHS. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. THAT INCLUDES THE DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT CHOSE TO SPEAK. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM OUR SENIOR COMMISSIONER OF STEPS MOVING FORWARD.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: WELL, JUDGE, I -- A I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY AND I KNOW WE ALL HAVE PROBABLY VOICED SOME SUPPORT TO THAT 10% FOR THE ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES THAT DID NOT RECEIVE THAT, I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT TO BE A FIRST STEP.

VICKI, IF YOU WOULD -- IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND WALKING THROUGH SOME OF THE SITUATION PROVIDED AND I DON'T DO -- ALL THE OTHER COURT MEMBERS BES THAT INFORMATION --

>> VICKY DORSETT, HAYS COUNTY BUDGET OFFICER.

I HANDED EACH OF YOU A RECAP. I DID HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS AND THE COUNTY JUDGE REACH OUT TO ME OF SCENARIOS OF POTENTIAL FUND THIS PLAN OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS.

INITIALLY WHEN WE STARTED THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE HAD A LITTLE OVER $2.6 MILLION SET ASIDE IN THE BUDGET FOR THE SALARY STUDY.

THE 10% THAT WAS PROCEEDED TO GRADES 106-113 EFFECTIVE FEBRUARY 1, WE UTILIZED JUST UNDER $1.5 MILLION OF OUR FUND THAT WE SET ASIDE LEAVING THE BALANCE OF $1.1 MILLION ROUGHLY.

MAG'S FINAL REPORT BEFORE YOU WAS JUST OVER 3.2, WITH -- WITH ROUGHLY $4 MILLION. SO YOU ARE LOOKING AT A $2 MILLION COST TO IMPLEMENT APRIL 1.

NOW OF SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD TODAY WAS THE LONGEVITY PIECE. THE OFFICIAL PLAN IN PRESIDENT REPORT TO ADDRESS LONGEVITY WAS DONE AS TIME AND POSITION.

AFTER THE 101 MEETINGS, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN FROM SOME DEPARTMENT HEADS WHERE POSITIONS THAT HAD BEEN HERE 15-PLUS YEARS PROMOTED RECENTLY WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WASN'T GETTING MOVED AS MUCH AS MAYBE SOMEONE WHO HAD BEEN HERE 15 YE YEARS.

AND THOSE POSITIONS WERE SEEING BIG MOVEMENTS.

I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY DR. CAMPBELL CHOSE TO DO A 5% ACROSS THE BOARD. THIS TOUCHES EVERYONE.

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD PARTICULARLY HANDLES THE SITUATION EQUITABLY. THIS WILL NOT MOVE INDIVIDUALS OUT IN THEIR STEP PLAN. IT IS BASICALLY DOING WHAT WE DID IN FEBRUARY IS ANOTHER ACROSS-THE-BOARD 5%.

WHEEL HIS PLAN DID VFT 10% FOR THE 106 TO 113 INCLUDED, IT DOES NOT HAVE THE 10% FOR THE 114S AND ABOVE.

SO IF YOU CHOSE TO DO A 10% FOR THE REST OF THE WORKFORCE, THAT NUMBER AND IN THAT REPORT -- THE FINAL REPORT WILL INCREASE BY $800,000. IF YOU WERE TO GIVE THE OTHER 114S THE ADDITIONAL 5%. OTHERWISE IT JUST GOES AWAY.

BECAUSE IT IS NOT BUILT INTO THE FINAL REPORT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: I THINK

SO, YES. >> SO BASICALLY -- IF YOU HAVE GAVE 10% FOR ITS REPS OF THE WORK FORCE TO IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN, 15% ACROSS THE BOARD FOR 106 TO 113.

AND 10% FOR EVERYONE ELSE EFFECTIVELY IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. I THINK ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO SEE -- TAKING A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO ENSURE THAT THESE ISSUES THAT WERE E-MAILED AND SPOKEN ABOUT TODAY ARE ADDRESSED. SO SI DID PREPARE IN DR. -- IN MAG'S REPORT FROM DR. CAMPBELL THE ESTIMATED ADJUSTMENT TO THE NEW MINIMUM WAS ROUGHLY ABOUT $1.2 MILLION.

SO IF THE PLAN ADDRESSES THE MAJORITY OF THE CONCERNS, AND

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LIKE TIME IN SERVICE, TIME IN POSITION, WHAT STEP MAKES SENSE.

BECAUSE -- IN THE -- IN THE REPORT THAT WAS PRESENTED, SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN HERE.LESS THAN A YEAR MAY BE HIGHER SET THAN SOMEONE HERE FIVE YEARS BECAUSE THEY WERE IN THE GRADE 113 OR BELOW. HIRED ABOVE THE MINIMUM.

AND THEY JUST GOT A 10% INCREASE.

SO THOSE THINGS I WOULD THINK WE WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER AND TALK THROUGH HOW TO BEST IMPLEMENT THAT.

IF YOU DID AN ADJUSTMENT -- IF YOU ADOPTED THE PLAN WITH SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS, USE THE REMAINING TO MOVE INDIVIDUALS OUT, THAT ANNUALIZED COST WOULD BE JUST UNDER $4.4 MILLION.

NOW IF BUT DETERMINED THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER A 10% FOR THE REMAINING WORK FORCE, INITIALLY THE 10% FOR THE 106-113, THERE WERE NO PARAMETERS SET FOR THAT GROUP.

SO I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO PREPARE THIS IN TWO WAYS.

10% FOR EVERYONE EXCLUDING THE ELECTED OFFICIALS.

AND THEN 10%.FOR THOSE POSITIONS THAT WERE HIRED AT THE MINIMUM.

SO NO ONE -- ANYONE WHO HAS RECEIVED AN INCREASE IN THEIR PAY THAT HAS BEEN HIRED SINCE OCTOBER 1, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN REDUCED. THEY WOULD NOT RECEIVE THE 10%.

ONLY THOSE HIRED AT THE MINIMUM. THE COST FOR ALL POSITIONS ANNUALIZED IS JUST UNDER A MILLION FIVE.

IF YOU IMPLEMENTED THE 10% APRIL 1 ALREADY IT WOULD BE $745,000 VERSUS THOSE POSITIONS THAT ALREADY HAD INCREASES WOULD BE $681,000. AGAIN, THAT WOULD LEAVE YOU WITH APPROXIMATELY.$500,000 TO ADDRESS THE PLAN AND MOVEMENT INTO THE NEW PLAN, WHICH YOU COULD FUND EFFECTIVE JUNE 1.

THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL ANNUALIZED COST OF $5.2 MILLION THAT WE

WOULD ADD TO THE FY '24 BUDGET. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: SO IF WE DID EVERYBODY AND NOT EXCLUDE THE ONE THAT WERE HIRED ABOVE THE MEN MUM AS OF OCTOBER 1 ALREADY THEN THERE IS MORE SEPARATION, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE IS -- THOSE WOULD BE EVEN HIGHER IN GRADE -- OR IN SALARY THEN --

>> THAT IS THE CHALLENGE. WE HIRED SOME POSITIONS ABOVE THE MINIMUM. AND THIS WAS THE CASE IN THE LAST GROUP AS WELL. SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS WERE ALSO HIRED ABOVE THE MINIMUM. SO THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE AS MUCH SEPARATION IN THOSE POSITIONS THAT HAVE OPINION HIRED EVEN SINCE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T MOVE OUR PAY PLAN.

UNTIL WE ADOPT A PAY PLAN AND DETERMINE DO YOU WANT TO USE THE FUNDS -- IF YOU DO THE 10%, THEN I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND DOING THE

5% ACROSS THE BOARD. >>JUDGE BECERRA: FOR LONGEVITY?

>> FOR LONGEVITY. I WOULD RECOMMEND DOING THE PAY PLAN AND GETTING EVERYONE TO THE NEW MINIMUM.

AND THEN LOOKING AT THE REMAINING FUNDS TO MOVE PEOPLE IN THEIR RANGES TO THE APPROPRIATE STEP.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: SO IT WOULD BE MAYBE THE SECOND OR THE THIRD ON THE RIGHT COLUMN. AND ALSO THE FIFTH TO BRING

INDIVIDUALS TO THE NEW MINIMUM. >> THESE ARE JUST ESTIMATES BASED ON THE DATA THAT MAG HAS PROVIDED.

THAT MAY ADJUST DEPENDING ON IF DEPARTMENTS ARE ALLOWED TO MAKE ANY LAST-MINUTE TWEAKS TO THEIR POSITIONS AND ARE ACCEPTED BY

THE COURT. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: JUDGE, I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE THE 10% TO

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THE GRADES 114-123. >>JUDGE BECERRA: WILL YOU BE WILLING TO MAKE IT EFFECTIVE FEBRUARY 1 LIKE THE OTHER FIRST

GROUP? >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: WELL, GOSH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT CALCULATED.

I MEAN, I -- >>JUDGE BECERRA: SORRY TO

INTERRUPT. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: THAT'S OKAY. JUST THAT IF WE WENT BY THE PLAN OR THE SCENARIO THAT VICKI DORSETT CAME UP WITH, THEN WE WOULD HAVE MONEY TO THEN IMPLEMENT UP TO THE NEW MINIMUM

STARTING -- >> YOU WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO

IMPLEMENT THE PLAN JUNE 1. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: JUNE 1.

THAT WOULD GIVE EVERYBODY THE 10% PLUS BRINGING EVERYONE UP TO THE NEW MINIMUMS BEGINNING JUNE 1.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: JUST TO INTERRUPT YOU, WOULD YOU -- WILL

YOU STATE WHAT YOUR INTENT IS. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: SO ALTHOUGH I WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION BEFORE I MAKE THAT MOTION, BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO SCENARIOS.

BOTH OF THEM GIVE THE GRADES 114-123 A 10% INCREASE.

ALTHOUGH ONE OF THEM LEAVES OFF ANYONE WHO WAS HEARD ABOVE THE MINIMUM AS OF OCTOBER 1. YOU HAVE KNOW, WE DID BRING SOME EMPLOYEES IN AT A VERY HIGH SALARY, WHICH CAUSED A LOT OF DISPARITIES BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: I THINK THAT -- THOSE HIRING FOLKS SHOULD NOT BE PENALIZED SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THAT WAS A ELECTED OFFICIALS AND DEPARTMENT HEADS TO ADDRESS THE GROSSLY NEGLIGENT OR DEFICIENT, WHATEVER WORD YOU WANT TO FILL IN THE BLANK WITH SET-UP THEY WERE FACED WITH. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE THEM OUT IN HIRES. BECAUSE THAT REALLY CREATES ALL NEWLY ELECTED -- WE ARE NOT INCLUDING YOU -- YOU UNDERSTAND?

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: I UNDERSTAND, I WANT SOMETHING

FROM OTHER COURT MEMBERS OF. >>JUDGE BECERRA: THAT IS WHY I LIKE THE STEP PROGRAM, UNIFORM, PREDICTABLE.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE I MAKE A

MOTION? >> JUDGE, TO YOUR POINT, I SEE WHY YOU SAY THAT, BUT I THINK THAT THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE -- NUMBER ONE, I AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER'S MOTION IN PRINCIPLE. JUST A COUPLE OF ADJUSTMENTS THAT I HAVE CONCERN WITH. I LIKE THE OCTOBER 1 TO KIND OF CLAW BACK TO THOSE HIRED SINCE TO OCTOBER 1.

THE REASON I SAY THAT BECAUSE IF WE DID NOSE INDIVIDUAL PERCENTAGE RAISES, WE WILL BE IN THE SAME SITUATION WE WERE WITH THE 10% OR BELOW WHERE WE HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT WERE JUST NEWLY HIRED AND BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE, IN ORDER TO R RECRUIT THOSE EMPLOYEES, WE HAD TO HIRE THEM NOT NECESSARILY AT THE SAME RATE THAT WE WOULD -- THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN THE PAST.

SO, THEREFORE, WE ARE GOING TO, AGAIN, HAVE BRAND-NEW EMPLOYEES SERVING IN THE SAME POSITION, IN THE SAME JOB, IF WE DO THAT ACROSS THE BOARD, THEIR ARE MAKING MORE THAN THEIR COUNTERPARTS WHO MAY HAVE BEEN DOING THAT JOB FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS, 20 YEARS, WHO AT THE END OF THE DAY -- THAT IS THE REASON I SAY GOING BACK TO OCTOBER 1 IS IMPORTANT.

THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

I DON'T THINK IT HAS -- IN MY VIEW, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CURRENT ELECTED OR NEWLY ELECTED.

IT IS A SITUATION AND DEPARTMENTS LIKE TRANSPORTATION, I CAN THINK OF. HE SPECIFICALLY WHERE WE HAVE FOLKS -- IN ORDER TO GET THOSE POSITIONS AND EVEN -- AND OF

JUDGE HALL STILL HERE BY CHANCE? >>JUDGE BECERRA: NO MUCH.

>> SPILL USE THAT EXACT POSITION THAT I REFERENCED EARLIER.

IT IS HARD FOR US TO HIRE COURT REPORTERS RIGHT NOW.

I FULLY AM SUPPORTIVE OF HIM TO FILED COURT REPORTERS BUT MAY HAVE COURT REPORTERS THAT WE HIRED IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS THAT WILL GET AN ADDITIONAL 10% PAY RAISE THAT WILL BE AHEAD OF -- OF THOSE CURRENT FOLKS THAT ARE THERE.

I USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. I ALSO HAVE ISSUE -- I UNDERSTAND FINANCIALLY WHY WE WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT THIS WITH

THAT 10% STARTING JUNE 1. >> APRIL 1.

>> APRIL 1. WHAT WAS THE IMPLEMENTATION THAT

YOU JUST MENTIONED. >> TO ACTUALLY 'ADOPT THE NEW PAY PLAN. GETTING FOLKS TO THE NEW

MINIMUM. >> OKAY.

I AM MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

THE FACT IS IT SHALL AND JUDGE, I LIKE YOUR SESSION.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT -- VICKI, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ASKED TO RUN THOSE NUMBERS, BUT IF WE DID THE 10% FOR ALL OTHER EMPLOYEES AND

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>>JUDGE BECERRA: FAIR INDICATE. ITCH AGREE SMITH THAT'S WHAT I SAID IN MID-JANUARY WHEN WE DID THIS AND I SAID WE SHOULD DO IT

FOR EVERYBODY. >> WILL COST ANOTHER $300,000 TO

BACK-DATE THAT? >>JUDGE BECERRA: WHAT WE WILL DO -- TO SAY IT THIS WAY. I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO FEEL SINGLED OUT. THAT IS -- I HAVE TWO SONS WHAT YOU ARE NOT SAYING WILL BE POINTED AT THE OTHER ONE.

NOT MY INTENT. BUT I WANT TO STOP PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS AND I WANT TO STOP PICKING THESE DATES BEFORE THE ELECTION AND SAY EVERYONE EMPLOYED HERE SHOULD HAVE THAT PERCENTAGE NOT EXCLUDING IF YOU WERE JUST HIRED A FEW MONTHS AGO WITH THE NEW ADMINISTRATION COME IN TO WHATEVER OFFICE.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT AND FAIR ACROSS UNLESS I

MISUNDERSTOOD THAT. >> I THINK THE CONCERN IS -- I SPOKE TO JUDGE JOHNSON ABOUT THE COURT REPORTER.

THEY DON'T WANT THAT COURT REPORTER TO GET THAT 10%.

NOT THAT SHE DOESN'T WANT THAT. THEY GOT THE SALARY THEY WANTED.

THEY WANT TO BRING THE OTHER TWO COURT REPORTERS UP TO THAT LEVEL. PUSHING THE OTHER COURT REPORTER FURTHER IS GOING TO BE EVEN MORE CHALLENGING TO GET THERE.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: WHERE WE HIRED PEOPLE -- THIS IS THE

POINT I AM MAKING. >>JUDGE BECERRA: UNIQUE

SITUATION. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: OUR CURRENT WAY OF HIRING PEOPLE. HIRE THEM AT THE 50 PERCENT TAKE TILE WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE TO GET THE INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEES.

WE HIRED THEM ABOVE WHAT THE AVERAGE -- WE MAY HAVE HIRED THEM AT 250% -- THAT MAYBE 30% ABOVE MARKET AVERAGE WHERE WE HEARD THEM. AND, AGAIN, THIS IS FROM RANK AND FILE DEPARTMENT HEADS. NOT ELECTED OFFICIALS OFFICIALS.

NOW THEY ARE LOOKING AT HOW I DO -- HOW I DO DRAW DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN AN EMPLOYEE THAT I HAD TO HIRE AT 50TH PERCENTILE TO GET HIM HERE AND SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN WORKING HERE FOR TEN YEARS WHO IS AT THE 50TH PERCENTILE.

THEY STARTED YESTERDAY AT THE SAME PAY RATE.

MAYBE WE HAD TO HIRE THEM AT -- YOU KNOW, $2,000, $3,000 MORE THAN WHAT MY TEN-YEAR EMPLOYEE IS MAKING MERE.

WE GIVE EVERYBODY A 10% PAY RAISE, THEY WIL STILL BE WORKING MORE THAN THE PERSON WHO HAS BEEN HERE FOR TEN YEARS.

NOT ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL BUT THE ACTUAL JOB IN THAT CITIZENS SENSE. THIS IS THE REASON WHY I LIKE THE SUGGESTION THAT WE DO IT BACK TO THE BE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR. THAT -- I CAN TELL YOU, WE DID HOW MANY -- WE DID A NUMBER OF THE SALARY ADJUSTMENTS WELL BEFORE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS WERE HERE.

AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT IS AN ISSUE -- IT ISN'T FOR ME ANYWAY, THE BIGGEST ISSUE TO GIVE THE DEPARTMENT HEADS THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADDRESS THE EMPLOYEE SITUATION SO THEY MAY NOT HAVE

IT RIGHT NOW. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: VIC, I KNOW IT IS VERY QUICK, BUT IF WE WERE TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT AND GIVE THAT 10% TO EVERYONE EXCEPT FOR THOSE HIRED ABOVE THE MINIMUM AS OF OCTOBER 1 AND STARTED FEBRUARY 1 LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, CAN YOU CALCULATE WHAT THAT MIGHT BE?

>> IT'S JUST UNDER $1 MILLION. SO AN EXTRA $300,000 FROM WHAT IS ON YOUR -- YOUR -- YOUR PAY PLAN TO MAKE THAT EFFECTIVE 2/1 INSTEAD OF 4/1. $681,000 COMES JUST UNDER A

MILLION. >> A NEW MINIMUM.

>> THAT WILL LEAVE YOU ABOUT $14

$148,000. >>JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONER, KNOW THAT THOSE EDITS THAT OUR D.A. MADE AND WHATEVER ELECTED OFFICIAL YOU WANT TO POINT TO THAT CAME IN ASKING FOR SUPPORT, THEY WERE ASKING FOR ABOVE THE MINIMUMS BECAUSE OF THE SYSTEM BEING SO MANY YEARS BEHIND.

AND SO, I STILL DON'T THINK THAT -- ABOVE THE MINIMUM I THINK EVERYBODY IS ABOVE THE MINIMUM. YOU EVER IN THE SAME SPACE.

>> I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE POSITIONS HIRED ABOVE THE MINIMUM ARE GOING TO NEED ANY MORE MOVEMENT.

10% OR OTHERWISE. THEY WILL BE IN THE RANGE BORE

ARE OR ABOVE IT. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: I HAVE A QUESTION AND MAY END UP BEING A COMPROMISE ON THIS.

AS WE LOOK APT THIS AND REDO AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSAL ON 1/14 TO 114 TO 1, POSITIONS HIRED AT MINIMUM AND BACK DATE THAT TO FEBRUARY 1, IT WILL BE $920,000 IS MY MATH CORRECT,

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IMPLEMENT THE PLAN AS OF JUNE 1. >> THIS IS JUST AN OPTION.

WOULD YOU HAVE SOME FUNDING LEFT TO ADOPT IF YOU DECIDE THERE ARE ANY CHANGES TO THE STEP PLAN OR THE PROPOSED RANGES.

THE -- AGAIN, THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS WE CAN LOOK AT THIS.

SO IF YOU ALL HAVE OTHER IDEAS, I WILL BE HAPPY TO CALCULATE

THEM FOR YOU. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: MY QUESTION WILL BE THIS AND AS YOU ARE RUNNING CALCULATIONS.

NUMBER ONE, I KNOW I HAVE MY LIST THAT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS GVE ME OF PROPOSED ADJUSTMENTS. IF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS CAN PROVIDE IF THERE WAS SOME. I DON'T KNOW MISS MILLER, PURPOSE THE ONE TO DO THE COLLECTION PROCESS.

AND ASK EACH DEPARTMENT HEAD TO PUT A ONE PAGER THESE ARE THE ADJUSTMENTS WE WANT. THESE ARE THE ISSUES WE SEE.

THESE ARE THE CHANGES WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

VERY POSITION-SPECIFIC THAT WE CAN PUT IN A PACKET TO GIVE TO OUR BUDGET OFFICE TO SAY, OKAY, HERE IS WHAT THE IMPACT OF EACH ONE OF THOSE WILL BE. GET THOSE AND BROUGHT BACK WITH

THE NEXT COURT CASE. >>JUDGE BECERRA: TINY EDITS.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: SMALL EDITS AND ONCE WE GET THOSE, WE CAN PLUG THOSE INTO A SCENARIO AND ASK OUR BUDGET OFFICE TO PLUG INTO THAT INTO THE SCENARIO WITH IMPLEMENTATION BACK DATED

TO MARCH 1. >>COMMISSIONER COHEN: FOR THE

PLAN, THE ENTIRE PLA? >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: BACK DATED IT -- WE MADE A COMMITMENT TO IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN -- I DID BY

MARCH 1. >> BUT THE 10% WAS GIVEN TOOK 1.2 MILLION OF OUR $2.6. WE STARTED WITH LESS FUNDING AND NOW THINKING OF 10%. AS A REMINDER, SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS WERE NOT GOING TO MOVE 10%.

I POINTED THAT OUT BACK IN JANUARY.

SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS WEREN'T SCHEDULED TO MOVE 10%.

SOME WERE SCHEDULED TO MOVE MORE.

THE SAME THING WILL HAPPEN WITH THIS GROUP.

SOME WERE NOT SCHEDULED TO MOVE 10% AND SOME MORE SO WE WON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO IMPLEMENT THE IF YOU WILL PLAN BACK DATED TO MARCH 1. I DON'T SEE A QUESTION FAR IN I DON'T HE THAT WE CAN GET TO THAT.

THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER WAYS. MAYBE TRY TO FAST TRACK ANY CHANGES AND NOT GIVE A 10%. THE -- IF HE CAN FULLY IMPLEMENT THE PLAN AND HAVE THAT MAYBE IN THE APRIL 1 START DATE.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO -- >COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: ONE MORE CLARIFICATION, VICKI.

IF WE EXCLUDE ANYONE HIRED ABOVE THE MINIMUM AS OF OCTOBER 1, THE MINIMUM OF OUR CURRENT PAY PLAN, THE MINIMUM --

>> OUR CURRENT PAY PLAN. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: THAT IS THE QUESTION I HAVE. I KNOW -- I KNOW WE ARE GOING TO BE SHORT ON IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS.

>> THIS IS A $5.2 MILLION PLAN ANNUALIZED.

SO -- >>JUDGE BECERRA: I HAVE ARGUED

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ADDITIONAL FUNDING AVENUES. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: MY POINT IS IS THIS. I KNOW WE ARE SHORT AT THIS POINT FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLAN.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: BUT WE ARE NOT --

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: AT THIS POINT, THIS MAY SOUND LIKE I AM NOT LOOKING FOR THE FUTURE, BUT VERY LESS CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE -- I AM NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THE ANNUALIZED IMPACT TO THE FY '24 BUDGET AS I AM HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THE FOUND IMPLEMENT THIS SNOB IN THE '23 BUDGET.

MY QUESTION OCCURS THAT IF WE WERE TO BACK DATE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLAN, I KNOW IT IS A HUGE FINANCIAL NUMBER, BUT IF WE GET THESE INPUTS FROM THE DEPARTMENT HEAD AND BACK DATE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW MUCH IT WILL COST SPECIFICALLY TO DO IT MARCH 1.

>> YOU WANT TO DO THAT AS WELL AS THE 10% FOR THE 114 --

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: AS WELL TO SEE WHAT THE OVERALL BUDGET NUMBER WILL BE. BECAUSE ONCE WE DO THAT, I JUST -- AGAIN, THERE ARE IS GOING TO BE AN EXCEEDINGLY HARD BUDGET CYCLE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO KNOW HOW MUCH WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN SALARY SAVINGS, SPECIFICALLY THAT WE CAN PUT TOWARD THIS.

BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, I DON'T MIND -- IF WE ARE GOING TO ROB PETER TO PAY PAUL, I WOULD RATHER DO IT FOR ADDITIONAL SALARY EXPENSES. AND I THINK THAT -- I DON'T FAULT ANY OF OUR -- ANY OF OUR DEPARTMENT HEAD, BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS FAR-FETCHED TO SAY THAT MANY OF OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS VIEW THAT AS A SLUSH FUND ACCOUNT, IF THEY NEED TO SOMETHING, USE IT FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN SALARY SAVINGS.

I WOULD LIKE TO USE IT JUST FOR SALARY SAVINGS AND INCREASING THOSE SALARIES. IF WE CAN LOOK AT THAT, THAT WILL BE HELPFUL AND HAVE THAT FOR OUR NEXT COURT SESSION.

I WILL ASK FOR OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS.

ASK DIRECTION FROM DEPARTMENT HEADS TO GET WHATEVER THOSE ADJUSTMENTS ARE COMPREHENSIVE SPECIFICALLY TO MISS DORSETT TO LOOK AT THEM AND NOT SAYING THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO THEM OR DO ALL OF THEM OR PART OF THEM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT

INDIVIDUALLY. >>JUDGE BECERRA: TO CREATE A ONE PAGER, CORRECT. COMMISSIONER INGALSBE.

DID YOU HAVE COMMENTS? >>COMMISSIONER COHEN: I WANTED TO DETERMINE, SHE CONFIRMED IT IS OUR CURRENT MINIMUM.

YOU KNOW, THE -- THE 10% TO ALL EMPLOYEES, IT DID NOT RECEIVE IT -- THE 114-123, WE CAN DO THAT TODAY.

THE NEW PAY PLAN MAG PLAN, OCTOBER 1 ALREADY I AM -- I AM -- I AM GOOD WITH THAT AS WELL. THE ONE OFF -- THE DEPARTMENTS LIKE THE JP OFFICE AND THE OTHERS WE HAVE HEARD, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WE ARE -- WE ARE LOCKING OURSELVES IN RIGHT HERE TO TRY TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS RIGHT NOW.

I THINK WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY AND DR. CAMPBELL SAID IT.

WE CAN ADDRESS THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, DURING THIS PERIOD. YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS. WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO ADD ANOTHER TWO WEEKS OR ANOTHER MONTH TRY TO GET MORE STATEMENTS. AND I THINK HR CAN WORK WITH THESE TENTS TO FIGURE OUT, YOU -- THESE DEPARTMENTS TO DETERMINE WHERE TO CLASSIFY YOUR CLERKS AND WHATNOT.

PERSONALLY TODAY I THINK WE CAN GO FORWARD WITH THE 10% PLAN FOR ALL THOSE WHO DIDN'T GET IT. AND ADOPT OF NEW PAY STRUCTURE

FOR OUR OCTOBER 1. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE:

EFFECTIVE -- >>COMMISSIONER COHEN: EFFECTIVE

. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: WHAT

DAY ARE YOU -- APRIL 1? >>JUDGE BECERRA: SAID OCTOBER 1.

NOW APRIL 1? >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: FOR THE

10%. >>JUDGE BECERRA: FOR EVERYONE THAT DIDN'T GET IT WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL -- JUST TO REMIND YOU.

>>COMMISSIONER COHEN: WE CAN DO THAT THOUGH, RIGHT?

I MEAN -- >> YOU COULD DO EITHER.

FEBRUARY OR APRIL. >>COMMISSIONER COHEN: FEBRUARY

1. >>JUDGE BECERRA: KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN SO I CAN SUMMARIZE IT.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: VICKI, I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS YOU MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE POSITION THAT WAS

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THEY DON'T WANT THAT POSITION TO RECEIVE THE 10%.

I AM POINTING THOSE OUT -- >> NONE OF THE POSITIONS -- THERE WERE POSITION THAT WERE HIRED BEFORE JANUARY 1.

SO THIS GOES BACK TO OCTOBER 1. ANY POSITION THAT WAS HIRED ABOVE THE MINIMUM SINCE OUR NEW FISCAL YEAR STARTED ARE NOT SCHEDULED TO MOVE JUST BECAUSE OF -- OF THE NEW PAY PLAN.

THEY ARE ALREADY ABOVE THAT. SO EFFECTIVELY YOU WOULD BE PUSHING THEM OUT EVEN FURTHER IN THAT PAY PLAN.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE ARE MAYBE OTHER WAYS TO ADDRESS IT.

THERE COULD BE STEPS -- YOU COULD ADDRESS IT IN THE STEPS.

JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE HIRED IN NOVEMBER OR JANUARY DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVEN'T COME WITH EXPERIENCE THAT CAN PUSH THEM OUT. IF YOU DO ADOPT A PLAN WHEN THERE IS FUNDING TO MOVE THOSE POSITIONS AND EMPLOYEES OUT

BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: TO THAT

POINT -- >>JUDGE BECERRA: SHE IS IN THE

MIDDLE OF AN ESSENTIAL TANS. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: I WAS

GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: TO THE POINT THAT YOU MADE. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER, THAT IS THE CONCERN I HAVE.

THOSE EMPLOYEES HIRED OCTOBER 1 OR -- I DON'T MIND THE IMP IMPLEMENTATION FOR THEM FOR OCTOBER 16 OF THE COMING YEAR BECAUSE THE FACT IS THAT THEIR ANNUALIZED REVIEW.

IF THEY WERE HIRED IN JANUARY OR HIRED IN -- IF THEY ARE HIRED TODAY, MOST OF THEM WILL HAVE THAT -- THAT ANNUAL REVIEW IS GOING TO OCCUR IN OCTOBER. I MEAN, THEY ARE GOING TO BE SET -- IF THEY FALL UNDER THAT CATEGORY.

AND WE HAVE THIS ADOPTED PLAN, NOT ONE OF THEM THAT WON'T GET A PAY RAISE ON OCTOBER 1. IF WE HAVE THAT IMPLEMENTATION.

EVERY ONE OF THOSE EMPLOYEES YOU HAVE AN EMPLOYEE, HIRED MARCH IS, OCTOBER 1, NOVEMBER 1, WE ADOPT THIS, WE WILL GIVE THEM A RAISE OF OCTOBER 1. JUDGE JUDGE SO FAR WE ARE LOOKING AT SUPPORT IN THE IDEA OF A FEBRUARY 1 OF A 10% FOR EVERYONE THAT DIDN'T GET IT. AND THEN ADOPTING THE PLAN FOR OCTOBER 1. THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN STROKES

OF THE CONVERSATION INCH. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: YES WITH THE CAVEAT THAT COMMISSIONER INGALSBE MADE FILLED POSITION 114-123. HIRED AT THE MINIMUM.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: NOW COMMISSIONER THAT'S WHERE IT IS

SO FAR. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: THAT OCTOBER DATE MENTIONED. IS THAT OCTOBER 1 COMING UP?

>>JUDGE BECERRA: IN THE FUTURE, YES.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: ADOPT A PLAN TODAY THAT WILL BE ACTIVE

ON OCTOBER 1? >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: I DON'T KNOW, MY MOTION IS FOR THE 10%. NOW IF WE WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER MOTION FOR SOMETHING ELSE, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAD SOME COP POLICE DEPARTMENT JUNE 1.

IMPLEMENT THE 10% STARTING FEBRUARY 1, WE WOULD HAVE TO DELAY IT. I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT DATE.

WE CAN MAKE BETTER DETERMINATION.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONER SHELL.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: I DON'T SEE A REASON TO ADOPT SOMETHING THAT MANY MONTHS AWAY I WHEN WEAPON KNOW DOCTOR I BELIEVE I HAVE SUGGESTED CHANGES TO IT. I WOULDN'T ATOP THE SOMETHING NOW BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE EFFECTIVE UNTIL OCTOBER 1.

I UNDERSTAND THE CONVERSATION OF THE 10% BECAUSE THE ACTION DONE BEFORE AND I AM NOT ARGUING WITH THE BASIC LEVEL OF FAIRNESS TO SAY SO MANY EMPLOYEES GOT 10%. THE OTHERS DON'T.

IF IT WILL BE DONE APPLIED IN THE DIFFERENT WAY.

I DISAGREE WITH THE VARIOUS REASONS I WILL EXPLAIN AGAIN TO THIS. ONE PROBLEM WITH ADOPTING THE PLAN WHENEVER IT IS, WE HAD SEVERAL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS, ELECTED OFFICIALS MENTION THIS, THAT OBVIOUSLY THIS IDEA OF FILLING IS THE ABILITY TO HIRE WHAT WE BELIEVE THE REALITY IS.

IF WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO HIRE NEW EMPLOYEES BECAUSE OFFERING THEM THE MINIMUM OF SOMETHING NOW THAT IS NOT JUST OUTDATED TO SOME DEGREE, BUT COMPLETELY OUT OF SCALE EVERYONE WORKING IN THE COUNTY CURRENTLY IS MAKING.

THAT IS A VERY HARD TASK, I HAVE A FEELING TO HIRE TO AN OLD PLAN

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AND TOP GET A PLAN THAT OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS AND OFFICIALS TO FILL VACANCIES. TURN OVER WITH RACES AND WE GET QALITY EMPLOYEES. SO THAT IS SORT OF THE BASIS FOR SOME OF MY COMMENTS FIND A WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN AS WELL.

FOR ME, THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT ABOUT -- THE NUMBER ONE PLAINT OF A REACTION TO ANY HIRING PROCESS THAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS IS ALWAYS BEEN WHEN YOU HIRE SOMEONE ABOVE A MINIMUM BECAUSE WE POST, YOU KNOW, THE MINIMUMS, WE BUDGET FOR MINIMUMS. I DON'T SEE A WAY, AN EMPLOYEE FOR SEVERAL YEARS THAT SAYS I CAN QUIT, REAPPLY THE SAME JOB AND YOU WILL END UP HIRING ME 25 PERCENT FOR THE 50 PERCENTILE.

TO ME THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT. NT TO SAY OTHER COMPLAINTS BUT PRETTY LOGICAL, REASONABLE ARGUMENT TO MAKE MAYBE IN 15 YEARS SAYS, WELL, I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T HIRE ANYBODY, BUT I AM LOYAL AND SITTING HERE TODAY DOING THE JOSH.

I CAN QUIT, APPLY AND SHE HAS 15 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.

WE NEED TO PAY THIS PERSON THE 75TH PERCENTILE.

KNOWING THAT IS THE COMPLAINT, AND I UNDERSTAND, I THINK DR.

CAMPBELL ALLUDED TO THAT PROBLEM AND THIS IS REALLY WHERE THE STEP COMES IN IS TO TRY TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT IS AGAIN IN A DISCIPLINED WAY IMPLEMENTED SO YOU DON'T DO THAT EVERY TIME YOU HIRE SOMEONE. SO TO ME, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE FUNDS WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO ADDRESS ALL THE ISSUES AND WHEN THE BUDGET OFFICER SAYS 5.2 MILLION FOR NEXT YEAR, 5.2 MILLION IN ADDITION TO NEXT YEAR THAT WE WILL SPEND COMPARED TO WHAT WAS BUDGETED FOR THIS YEAR 2.5%.

THAT IS SIGNIFICANT AND I DO WANT TO ADDRESS WHAT HAPPENS.

IF WE TAKE THE 10% AND THAT IS THE ARGUMENT AND TREAT IT THE WAY THE 10% IN THE PAST APPLICATION OF THE COURT, THAT IS GOING TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR US TO IMPLEMENT A PLAN OR AT LEAST WON'T BE IMPLEMENTED AS SOON AND HARDERTO IMPLEMENT TO GET PEOPLE SPREAD WITHIN THE RANGE IN SOME REASONABLE WAY COMPARED TO THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH THE COUNTY AND PRIOR EXPERIENCE AND COMBINATION OF THE TWO.

BY HARDER I MEAN MORE EXPENSIVE FOR OF THE MOST PART.

IF WE PUT EVERYBODY UP 10% MORE, WE ARE SETTING THAT ONE MINIMUM POINT HIGHER. IF THAT IS WHAT THE COURT DECIDES TO DO. IT WILL BE MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE WITHIN THAT WE WILL BE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT THE REASON WE TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, WE ARE SETTING OURSELVES UP TO HIRE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE MAKING SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN OTHER COUNTERPARTS SOME JUST HIRED AND RECEIVE A 10% RAISE ON TOP OF THAT. THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. THE STEP IN GENERAL.

IF WE WERE GOING -- IF THE COURT SAYS WE WANT SOMETHING THAT IS A STEP, A 1.4%, OR WHATEVER THAT IS, WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS WE ARE MAKING THIS DECISION.

BECAUSE AS OUR BUDGET OFFICER MENTIONED, WE HAVE TO TYPED IN SOME WAY TO PUT -- -- WE JUST HIRED THEM LAST MONTH AT THE 50TH PERCENTILE AND THEY GET A 10% INCREASE BY COURT ACTION.

AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO BE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EMPLOYEE THAT HAS BEEN DOING THAT JOB FOR TEN YEARS IS THEY GOT SOME SPREAD FROM THAT INDIVIDUAL.

AND IF WE SPEND ALL OF THE 10% ACROSS THE BOARD WILL MAKE IT MORE EXPENSIVE AND HARDER TO GET A REASONABLE STEP SET IN PLACE THAT NEXT YEAR MAKES SENSE IN THAT WE RECRUIT -- THERE NEEDS TO BE A POLICY ABOUT THAT. WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET IN THE STEP IN COLLECTIVE BARGAINING LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE VERY STRICT AND ONLY CERTAIN LEVEL TO HIRE UP TO AND.

THIS TRI, THAT IS COMMON. SO IF WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.

HIRING SOMEON AN ATTORNEY IN A DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN OTHER

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TEN YEARS IN TRAVIS COUNTY, ENTER TEN OF HAYS COUNTY OR GIVE A PERCENTAGE OF THAT. I THINK WE HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT TO SOME DEGREE TO BE PREPARED FOR WHAT THAT IS.

THAT IS PART OF THE PLAN THAT WE ALL AGREE WE NEED TO START AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE NEED TO HIRE PEOPLE AT A NEW PLAN.

I KNOW I AM MAKING THIS MORE CONFUSING THAN EVER.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: YOU REALLY ARE NOT.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: A PLAN PUT BEFORE US WHICH IS 95% WHICH IS PROBABLY ABOUT RIGHT. I AGREE FOR THE MOST PART WHERE JOB POSITIONS ARE WITH RESPECT TO OTHERS ACROSS THE BOARD IN THE COUNTY BUT WE HAVE HEARD FROM THOSE AND MADE STRONG ARGUMENTS THAT THERE NEED TO BE SOME TWEAKS TO THAT ARE THEY SIGNIFICANT, NOT THAT MUCH. THEY NEED TO BE CONSIDERED FOR US TO ADOPT THAT. THE POSITION.

WHAT IS THE MIN. WHAT IS THE MAX.

IT CAN BE DONE IN TWO WEEKS. I BELIEVE IT HAS ALREADY STARTED. I HAVE SEEN THE COMMUNICATION.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT TO CONTINUE WITH H.R. TO BE COMPILED AND ALL SHOWN THAT THIS PERSON IS CURRENTLY HERE IN THE PROPOSAL, AND THIS PERSON HAS REQUESTED THEY BE HERE.

AND THERE IS AN OPINION ON WHAT THAT IS, GOING BACK TO WHAT DR.

CAMPBELL STATED. WE ALL SAY THIS PLAN IS 95% GOOD AND MESS WITH 20 OF THE POSITIONS IN THE PLAN IMPACTED 20 OTHER POSITIONS AND, WAIT, WE SORT OF COUPLED THIS TOGETHER AND MOVE THIS ONE AND THAT ONE AND THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. I THINK WE SHOULD ADOPT -- FIND A WAY TO ADOPT A PLAN AS SOON AS WE CAN.

MAYBE NEXT TIME WE MEET. AND THEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS ARE TO PUT EVERYBODY IN THE NEW PLAN, TO MAKE THEM AT A MINIMUM, AND WHAT STRATEGY DO WE HAVE TO PUSH PEOPLE OUT THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED OR ARE LOYAL EMPLOYEES OF HAYS COUNTY AND HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF XERNZ LIKE JOBS.

HOW WE LOGICALLY PUT THEM. IF WE CAN DO THAT, I BELIEVE WE CAN SET THAT -- WON'T BE IN STONE BUT IN SOME.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: SEMI FIRM SURFACE.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: SEMI IF UP IF DETERMINED.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TWO YEARS AGO, THIS COUNTY WAS EGREGIOUSLY OUT OF WHACK WITH PAY. THERE WERE REASONS WHY THE PAY WAS. SOME OF IT WAS TOTAL COMPENSATION. THERE WERE -- YES, THERE WERE SOME THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, WELL UNDER PAID.

MOST UNDERPAID, BUT IT WASN'T SOME THING THAT WAS A JUST GROSS MISCONDUCT OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE RUNNING DEPARTMENTS OR IN HR AND COURT MEMBERS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS.

I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THE MARKET CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IN OUR REGION.

INFLATION INCREASED IN A DRAMATIC RATE AND IT JUST PUT US -- JUST EXACERBATED MORE THINGS THAT WERE MINOR IN THINGS THAT TURNED OUT TO BE MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN ANYBODY HAD PLANNED FOR OR THOUGHT OF A FEW YEARS AGO.

I GUESS TOP WRAP IT UP. BY UNDERSTAND THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE 10%. I AM NOT ARGUING WITH THE FAIRNESS. UP WOULD RATHER WAIT TO ADOPT THE PLAN AND SAY HOW MUCH MONEY WE NEED TO MAKE THIS FAIR, BUT THAT IS JUST -- THAT IS MY OPINION.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: I WANT TO RECAP WHAT THE COMMISSIONER JUST SAY AND FIND WAY TO MERGE THIS IDEA. AND I WON'T TRY TO MISREPRESENT YOUR IDEAS, COMMISSIONER, IF I DON'T CAPTURE IT, TOTALLY INTERRUPT ME. FORGO THAT 10% REACH.

ADOPT THE PLAN. AND THAT WAY EVERYBODY IS IN THEIR RIGHT PLACE. WE BRING BACK THE -- I LIKE THE WAY COMMISSIONER SMITH PRESENTED IT, THE ONE PAGER OF THE LAST-MINUTE TWEAKS WE HEARD ABOUT TODAY.

WE ADDRESS THOSE IN A VERY CAUTIOUS, CONSCIENTIOUS WAY WITH OUR BUDGET OFFER AND PROCEED AND SHOVE OFF ON THIS PLAN THAT WE PAID THE MONEY FOR AND IMPLEMENT THE PLAN NOW AND MAKE THE EDIT

IN TWO WEEKS SMITH. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: THE ONLY THEY THINK -- ALMOST SPOT ON, BUT I WILL SPEND THE TWO WEEKS TO GET ALL THE INPUT FROM EVERYBODY WHERE PEOPLE SHOULD BE IN THE PLAN. AND NOT -- EVERYBODY WILL NOT AGREE. I AM UNDERSTANDING THAT.

THEN WE GET THE FEEDBACK THAT SAYS, WELL, AGAIN, WHAT IS THE REPERCUSSION AND THE COURT SAYS LET'S PUT THAT, 116 INSTEAD OF 112. IF YOU DO THAT, THEN I WILL BE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. I WOULD LIKE THAT FLESH THAT OUT IN TWO WEEKS. THE ONLY WAY THAT HAPPEN PEOPLE

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WE ADOPT THE PLAN AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE THE INFORMATION NOW SO WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS GOING TO COST EXACTLY TO PUT EVERYBODY AT THE MINIMUM AND INFORMATION FROM HR AND OUR BUDGET OPTION THIS IS THE MONEY YOU HAVE NOW AND TO UTILIZE TO SUPPLEMENT THE MONEY YOU HAVE BUDGETED TO THEN START DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THE PLAN TO PUT PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT SPOTS AND RECRUIT BASED ON A POLICY WE ALL AGREE.

SO I GUESS I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID EXCEPT FOR I WOULD LIKE TO ADOPT IT TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY WITH THE BEST CHANCE WE HAVE TO FINALIZE IT KNOWING THAT IT IS NOTHING BEGUN TO PERFECT BUT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED AND THOSE THAT WE WILL, AND WE KNOW AT THAT TIME IF WE ADOPT THIS, THIS IS THE MONEY IT WILL TAKE, HERE IS WHAT IS LEFT.

AND I WILL -- I HATE TO SAY I DISAGREE WITH THE 10% BECAUSE NOT WITH -- IT IS JUST MAKING SURE WE ARE GIVING OURSELVES THE BEST FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT IS FAIR.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, FAIRLY IMPLEMENTED OVER THE FUTURE.

ABLE TO BE FAIRLY IMPLEMENTED OVER THE FUTURE WITHOUT MAKING

IT HARDER. >>JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONER, INSTEAD OF YOUR MOTION BRING AN AGENDA ITEM NEXT COURT WITH THE ADOPTION OF THIS STEP PORTION EFFECTIVE AS FAST AS WE CAN MAKE IT. AND HAVE THAT TIME TO INCLUDE THOSE EDITS OF THE LAST ONES AND TWOS THAT WON'T BE ANY MORE -- ANY MORE DELAYS. WE WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO MAKE

THAT HAPPEN NEXT COURT. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: I THINK THAT IS FINE, JUDGE. GIVES US MORE FUND TO WORK WITH AND HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE, IMPLEMENTED PLAN THAT WE CAN --

>>JUDGE BECERRA: A FINAL WRAP-UP.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: I AM GOOD WITH THAT.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: NEXT COURT, WE WILL HAVE THE EXECUTION OF THIS STEP PROGRAM RECOMMENDED BY DR. CAMPBELL FROM MAG.

>> BEFORE WE GO ON, JUDGE, I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH THE DELAY OF THE OVERALL IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

MY QUESTION IS WHY TODAY WE COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THE

10%. >>JUDGE BECERRA: MOVES A WHOLE NEEDLE AND THIS IS WHAT COMMISSIONER SHELL WAS

COMPLAINING A LITTLE MILE AGO. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT THE END OF THE DAY, DO THE 10%.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: IT IS INSTEAD OF.

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: LIKELY WE COULD, BUT UNDERSTAND THE REPERCUSSIONS. IF THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE GOAL AND I WANT THE EMPLOYEES TO UNDERSTAND NOT ME TO -- THAT IS NOT THE INTENT. TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS FAIR AND HOPEFULLY SOLVE THE PROBLEMS THAT HAVE BEEN EXACERBATED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS AND TO SAY WE HAVE GOT THIS SET.

A FAIR WAY TO IMPLEMENT THIS. RULES THAT ARE GOING TO BE FOLLOWED WHEN HIRING IS DONE SO WE MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET OURSELVES IN THAT POSITION AND MY ONLY POINT OF THE 10% IS MAYBE WE WOULD WANT TO IMPLEMENT THAT DIFFERENTLY ONCE WE SEE WHAT ALL OF THAT IS AND MAYBE WE NEED TO IDENTIFY HOW WE WILL FND IT ALONGSIE OF EVERYTHING ELSE.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: BRING SOME SUPPORTING POLICIES AND

SUGGESTIONS TO FORTIFY THIS. >> AND YOU KNOW, IT WAS SAID EARLIER WE WANT TO DO IT RIGHT. IF WE NEED MORE TIME TO DO IT

[K15. Discussion and possible action to adopt the use of Texas Local Government Code 232.110; and to direct staff towards implementation. SMITH]

RIGHT. >>JUDGE BECERRA: WRAP THIS UP BY THE END OF NEXT COURT. OPEN K-15.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: JUDGE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE APPEARANCE AT THE END OF THE DAY DO THIS BY MARCH 1. AS A COURT, I WANT TO LAY THE EXPECTATION THAT THE CHANGES THAT TO GET TO US AS SOON AS POSSIBLE I WANT TO HAVE EVERYTHING TO ADOPT A COURT

DATE. >> K-15, POSSIBLE APPLICATION TO ADOPT THE USE OF TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 2.2.310 TO

DIRECT STAFF TOWARD IMPLEMENT. >> SO SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. > THANK YOU, JUDGE, COMMISSIONER. TWO COMMENTS.

FIRST ONE IS -- ONE IS IN THE MAIL, I HEARD AND ONE IN PERSON.

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MATCH. >>DR. CARDENAS: OKAY THIS WAS FROM ANNN CLERKEN. I LIVE AT 13501 TRAILS END AND WORKING WITH MY NEIGHBOR TO OPPOSE THE 5,000-SEAT AMPHITHEATRE. AT FIRST GLANCE WE AGREE THAT THE 2K0E68ER SHOULD HELP FUND THE COST OF INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS THAT RESULT FROM DEVELOPMENT. UNDER MOST CIRCUMSTANCES, IT WE MIGHT BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION PRESENTED BY COMMISSIONER SMITH, OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONER; HOWEVER, WITH OUR CONTINUED LACK OF RESPONSE FROM COMMISSIONER SMITH RELATED TO QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS OF THE 5,000-SEAT AM FEE THEATER, WE ASK THAT THE COURT CONSIDER DELAYING APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION SO THAT THE COURT AND STAFF CAN BETTER EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON ISSUES RELATED TO THE ORDINANCE THAT COMMISSIONER SMITH PROPOSED. WHAT TIME OF DEVELOPMENT WILL BE PROPOSED IMPACT. WILL COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS BE INCLUDED? OR IS SUCH AN ORDINANCE LIMITED TO SUBDIVISIONS. THANK YOU FOR WHY YOU ARE CONSIDERATION IN DELAYING ACTION ON AGENDA ITEM K-15.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: SOMETHING IN THE BACKUP WE MISSED?

>> IT WAS TURNED IN FRIDAY AS AN ATTACHMENT FROM BACKUP.

APPROXIMATELY. >>JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONER

INGALSBE DOESN'T HAVE THAT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MY NAME IS CARRIE WAKOWSKI. I'M HERE IN RESPONSE FOR COMMISSIONER SMITH FOR HAYS COUNTY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. IF THIS IS GRANTED, THE RESOLUTION IS GRANTED AT THIS TIME, DURING A VERY CONTENTIOUS DISPUTE. LOCATION OF A 5,000-PERSON OUTDOOR MUSIC VENUE ON FITZHUGH ROAD OF HUNDREDS OF TRAVIS AND HAYS COUNTY RESIDENTS WHO HAVE JOINED THE STOP FITZHUGH MUSIC VISION COALITION AS WELL AS NUMEROUS ECOLOGICAL GROUPS INCLUDING SAVE OUR SPRINGS AND THE GREATER EDWARDS AQUIFER ASSOCIATION, JUST TO NAME A FEW. I WOULD GIVE YOU A BIT OF A BACK STORY WHY I AM SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS.

I LIVE A HALF MILE AWAY FROM THE PROPOSED ENTRANCE TO THIS MUSIC VE VENUE.

IN NOVEMBER OF 2021, A FRIEND OF MINE AND OUR GENERAL CONTRACTOR 40 YEARS OLD WITH FOUR CHILDREN HAD AN ACCIDENT OFF MY ROOF AND FELL EIGHT FEET. IT TOOK 22 MINUTES TO HAVE EMS. AND MY FRIEND DIED IN MY ARMS MINUTE 15 TO 17.

THERE WAS NO ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ON THE ROADS.

IT IS JUST THE REGULAR ROAD SYSTEM AT THAT TIME.

IF YOU CAN IMAGINE PUTTING 5,000 MORE PEOPLE ON FITZHUGH ROAD IF ANY OF US HAVE AN EMERGENCY, HOW IN THE WORLD ARE EMERGENCY SERVICES GOING TO REACH US? PLEASE, JUST THINK ABOUT THAT.

BECAUSE IT IS A TWO-LANE COUNTY ROAD WITH NO SHOULDERS AND NO MIDDLE. IF THERE IS AN ACCIDENT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, WHICH MOST LIKELY IT WOULD BE BECAUSE IT IS SO NARROW, IT WOULD BLOCK UP TRAFFIC ON BOTH SIDES OF FITZHUGH. AND AFFECTING OF FITZHUGH, REALLY ONLY TWO MAIN ROADWAYS THAT LEAD TO THAT PROPOSED VENUE. AS I STATED MANY OF THEM -- MANY OF THOSE ROADS ARE ONLY TEN FEET IN WIDTH.

FITZHUGH HAS NARROW LOW WATER CROSSINGSING THAT ARE PRONE TO FLASHFLOODING. OUR COALITION HAS MET WITH ANNE HOWARD, WHO IS REPRESENTING TRAVIS COUNTY.

AND SHE IS VERY VOCAL OF HER OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSED VENUE'S LOCATION. I THINK IT IS WORTH NOTING ONLY AFTER COMMISSIONER HOWARD'S PRODDING THAT COMMISSIONER SMITH RESPONDED TO THE MULTITUDE OF E-MAILS HE HAS BEEN RECEIVING ABOUT THIS VENUE, INCLUDING OF TWO MY OWN.

IF THE COMMISSIONER REQUESTS A VENUE TO PROVIDE ONLY A PORTION OF PAYMENT TOWARD IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS ROAD, IT WILL NOT ADDRESS THE HORRIFIC TRAFFIC JAMS THAT ARE SURE TO BE CAUSED BY THE HERE IS VOLUME OF CARS. WHERE AN ACCIDENT DOES HAPPEN ON ANY OF THESE ROADS, IT WILL BE VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES TO REACH THE ACCIDENT OR ANY OF THE HAYS COUNTY RESIDENCE THAT ARE IN NEED.

UNLESS OUR COMMISSIONER INTENDS TO REQUEST THE VENUE TO IMPROVE MILES OF ROADWAY THAT LEAD TO THE VENUE, THEN HIS ATTEMPT WILL

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I AM URGING YOU TO HAVE GREAT CAUTION IN VOTING ON THIS RESOLUTION BECAUSE WILL NOT CORRECT THE OVERALL DISASTER THIS VENUE WILL CAUSE TO THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND QUALITY OF HAYS COUNTY RESIDENTS. IT WILL BE NOTHING MORE THAN A SUPERFICIAL PATCH. AND IT IS VERY DANGEROUS.

JUDGE JUDGE THANK YOU. THIS AGENDA ITEM HAD A NUMBER 2.

THE FIRST ONE IN PAPER. I WAS ASKING JUST TO BE CLEAR -- ASKING YOU TO WRAP IT UP AND YOU WASN'T LITTLE LONGER AND

SORRY.THAT. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: THAT IS FINE. A FUND AMOUNT --

>>JUDGE BECERRA: BEFORE WE GO TO THAT PIECE, READ THE RESOLUTION?

READ IT OUT LOUD. >> IT IS IN THE BACK-UP, IN THE

SYSTEM. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: I

DIDN'T -- UNLESS IT WAS COPIED. >> I WILL READ IT, RESOLUTION OF HAYS COUNTY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE RATHER # 32.110. WHEREAS ARE THE 86TH GENERAL SESSION OF THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE HELD IN 2019 ENACTED LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 232.110 TITLED APPORTIONMENT OF COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE COST, THE STATUTE.

AND WHEREAS, THE STATUTE ALLOWS THE COUNTIES TO COST SHARE WITH DEVELOPERS OF CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE AND IMPROVEMENTS FOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. WHEREAS, HAYS COUNTY RECOGNIZE AS THAT UTILIZING THE STATUTE COULD BENEFIT HAYS COUNTY AND ITS CITIZENS BY ALLOWING DEVELOPERS TO SHARE IN COSTS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE SOLELY BORNE BY HAYS COUNTY AND ITS TAXPAYERS, NOW, THEREFORE, IT BE RESOLVED, HAYS COUNTY WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS STATUTE IN A MANNER JUST AND EBLG WITH A TABLE AND FULLY BE IT RESOLVED HAYS COUNTY WILL OF DRAFT AND PASS AN ORDINANCE FOR SPECIFIC STANDARDS OF USE OF IT THIS STATUTE JUST AND WEAK TABLE INCLUDING PROJECTS THAT ARE SUBMITTED FOR ITCH IMPLEMENTATION OR PLAT OR HAVE AN AGREEMENT. PASSED AND APPROVED THIS 14TH DAY OF MARCH, 2023. COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: THANK YOU. FIRST OFF, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE WHO DECIDED TO SPEAK TODAY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE MAY BE A FUNDAMENTAL MISUNDERSTANDING WHAT THIS SECTION OF TEXAS CODE DOES. IN 2019, THE LEGISLATURE LOOKED AT COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND SAID, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, COUNTIES DO NOT HAVE IMPACT FEE AUTHORITY.

I DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF YOU IN THE ROOM KNOW THAT, BUT SHOULD A DEVELOPMENT FOR ANYTHING GO IN ON A ACCOUNT ROADWAY, WE HAVE NO ABILITY TO REQUIRE THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE THAT PROJECT OF MAKING ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE LOCALIZED ROADWAY. IF THEY ARE IN THE CITY LIMITS, THE CITY COULD DEFINITELY CHARGE THEM FOR THAT.

IF THEY ARE ATTACHING TO THE STATE ROADWAY, THE STATE COULD CHARGE A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT THE IMPACTS ON INFRASTRUCTURE ARE THERE. IN 2019, THE STATE LEGISLATURE LOOKED AT HOW THEY COULD IMPROVE THAT FOR ACCOUNTS.

DEVELOPERS ACTIVELY FOUGHT COUNTIES HAVING IMPACT AUTHORITY FOR YEARS. AND SO THE LEGISLATURE LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, OKAY, IF YOU DON'T HAVE IMPACT FEE AUTHORITY AND NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU IMPACT FEE AUTHORITY, WHAT ELSE SHOULD WE LOOK AT. THE ARGUMENT WAS MADE THAT OVERALL COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE IMPACTED BY A NUMBER OF THESE PROJECTS. AND AT THE TIME, WHAT THEY DID WAS PUT IN PLACE A -- A -- THE ABILITY FOR COUNTIES TO ACTUALLY GO OUT AND CHARGE DEVELOPERS A FEE RELATED TO WHAT THE IMPACT OF THE OVERALL COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE BE.

THE REASON THAT I WANT US TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT A FINAL ORDINANCE WILL LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY IN HAYS COUNTY BECAUSE WE NEVER ADOPTED ANYTHING THAT SAYS IT. RIGHT NOW THERE IS ONLY ONE COUNTY IN THE STATE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT TO TRY TO HOLD DEVELOPMENTS' FEET TO THE FIRE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD HAVE TO PAY A PORTION OF THAT. AND HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS IS THE DEVELOP WEAR DEVELOP DOCTOR WILL PUT TOGETHER A TIA, A

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AND THEIR LEFT IS 1,000 CAR TRIMS A DAY.

IT IMPACTS AT LEAST A 1,000 CAR TRIPS A DAY AND DURING THEIR PEAK AREAS THEY WILL QUALIFY TO LOOK AT THIS.

ONCE THEY -- WE HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT FOR A TIA WHICH OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT ASKS FOR THOSE AS OFTEN AS WE CAN GET THEM. ONCE WE HAVE THE REQUIREMENT IN PLACE FOR A TIA, THE NEXT THEPG WE HAVE IS THEY WOULD SUBMIT THAT. WE AS A COUNTY WILL LOOK AGATHA AND SAY WE AGREE WITH YOU HERE, AND WE DON'T AGREE WITH YOU HERE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, HERE IS HOW MUCH IT WILL COST ON ALL OUTSTANDING COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE AREA. AND A GIVEN AREA THAT IS DICTATED ON -- ON THE STANDARDS FOR THAT.

AND YOU ARE GOING TO OWE 20% OF WHAT THE IMPROVEMENT COST FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS. AND WE BELIEVE THAT IS A FAIR AND EQUITABLE AMOUNT OF THE OVERALL IMPACT IN THE AREA.

THEN WHOMEVER THAT DEVELOPER IS WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISPUTE THAT OR QUESTION THE THINGS.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HAVE ANOTHER TOOL TO ASSESS SOMEONE A CHARGE FOR WHAT THAT -- WHAT THAT COST ON COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE WILL BE.

THE ONLY COUNTY IN THE STATE THAT HAS ADOPTED A STRUCTURE FOR THIS IS IN TRAVIS COUNTY. SOMETHING AS A FAST-GROWING COUNTY,PUT A -- IT WILL PUT ANO CHECKED BOX FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT IF THEY LOOK AT HOW QUICKLY THEY WILL TRY TO DEVELOP SOMETHING HERE WHAT THE EMPANTING ON THE NEIGHBORS WILL BE BECAUSE AS WE REVIEW T THAT TIA, THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITY OF WHAT UPDATES ON TRANSPORTATION WILL BE WHICH WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW. IT ISN'T SPECIFIC TO ONE PROJECT. THIS IS ONE THING THAT WE NEED COUNTYWIDE. BUT I AM REMESS IF I WOULDN'T BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT ON THAT PROJECT.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: MR. KENNEDY, WE HEARD ONE SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT.

WHAT IS THE OTHER SIDE. WHY -- OR WHAT COULD GO WRONG

FOR US IF ADOPTING THIS? >>.

I VIEW THIS RESOLUTION AS MORE OF AN INSTRUCTION TO STAFF.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE DONE A VERSION OF THIS ALREADY.

WE DID A VERSION OF THIS WITH HYMEADOW.

THE SUBDIVISION. WE HAVE -- WE HAVE A TIA AGREEMENT WITH THEM. AND IT IS A -- IT IS A FEE STRUCTURE BASED ON A PER LOT FEE THAT WILL EVENTUALLY CONTRIBUTED TOWARD TRAFFIC SIGNALLING IN THAT AREA.

WE HAVE DONE VERSIONS OF THIS. I AM NOT SURE WE IMPLEMENTED THAT STRICTLY ACCORDING TO CHAPTER 232 WITH A REPORT FROM ENGINEER AND A SIGN-OFF AND OPPORTUNITY FOR APPEAL.

MORE OF A SITUATION. I DON'T SEE THIS RESOLUTION THAN DOING OTHER THAN SIGNALING TO STAFF THIS IS THE PRIORITY FOR THE COURT. SOMETHING WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY

TO DO ALREADY UNDER THE CODE. >>JUDGE BECERRA: JUST TO RECAP, COMMISSIONER SMITH, LOWER GEAR FEWER SENTENCES LAYMAN'S TERM TO ENCAPSULATE YOUR EXPLANATION. TELL ME IF I AM WRONG.

AN INSTRUMENT THAT WILL HELP US AS A COURT, AS A GOVERNMENT, TO ABSORB FEES, POTENTIAL FEES FROM A PROJECT THAT CAN BE OF A MAGNITUDE THAT WILL HAVE A IMPACT IN OUR CURRENT

INFRASTRUCTURE. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: CORRECT.

THE OTHER THING -- ONE OF THE OTHER CONCERNS THAT I THINK WAS BROUGHT UP THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS IS THE FACT THAT ANY IMPRO IMPROVEMENTS -- ANY IMPROVEMENTS FOR ANYTHING PRIVATELY HELD. AND THERE WAS A MENTION OF A.

ENTRANCE. ANYTHING LIKE THAT WILL NEVER BE PAID FOR BY THE COUNTY. NEVER HAS BEEN, NEVER WILL BE.

WHEN IT COMES TO ENTRANCES AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

ANYTHING THAT IS PRIVATE OR PRIVATELY HELD, THAT IS NOT WHAT BE DO IN TRANSPORTATION. THE OTHER REASON I REALLY LIKE THIS PROVISION IS THAT IN THE FACT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS REALLY FIVE THINGS THAT WE HAVE -- ONLY FIVE THINGS THAT WE HAVE PURVIEW

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ATTACHMENT TO A COUNTY ROADWAY AND FIRE MARSHAL.

IN LOOKING AT THAT -- AT THAT PROCESS, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR US TO REALLY LOOK -- EVERY ONE OF THOSE ONLY LOOKS AT THE SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY ITSELF, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

WE CAN ONLY LOOK WHERE THAT SEPTIC SYSTEM IS GOING.

WE CAN ONLY LOOK WHERE IT SPECIFICALLY ATTACHES TO A COUNTY ROADWAY. WITH THIS, WE CAN TRY TO ENCAPSULATE THE IMPACT IT WILL HAVE ON AN AREA.

I SAY THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE -- THE -- RIGHT NOW, WE CAN ONLY TALK -- OR PUSH SPECIFICALLY FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT -- WE WILL USE THE EXAMPLE OF A PROJECT MENTIONED EARLIER RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE PROJECT.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE STREET IN FRONT OF IT.

EVEN THERE, WE HAVE TO NEGOTIATE THAT AND CAN'T REQUIRE THEM TO DO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. BY ADOPTING THIS AND ADDING A LOOK AT THE TIA, A TRAFFIC IMPACT ATHAT THE SIS DOESN'T JUST LOOK AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ITSELF.

IT LOOKS AT EVERYTHING THAT FEEDS INTO IT.

SO IN CASE, IF WE DID THIS, IT WOULD REQUIRE THE REVIEW OF THE INTERSECTION OF FITZHUGH AND TROUT LINE.

THOR. >> SECTION OF FITZHUGH AND CRUMLEY ROAD. THE INTERSECTION OF -- OF FITZHUGH AND 12. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE WAY THAT I WANT TO STRUCTURE IT, BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS -- WE WOULD BEGIN THE PROCESS OF DRAFTING RULES AND REGULATIONS TO THIS. WHAT IS INTERESTED ABOUT TIA, IT ACTUALLY ENCAPSULATES A GEOGRAPHIC AREA.

SO THAT GEOGRAPHIC AREA MAY ACTUALLY STRETCH OUTSIDE OF HAYS COUNTY TO IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED OR REQUIRED IN TRAVIS COUNTY OR IN SOME PLACE ELSE.

SO I JUST -- I WANT TO KIND OF EXPLAIN.

I WANTED TO DELVE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE AND EXPLAIN WHY I THINK THIS WILL HAVE A MUCH FARTHER OR BROADER IMPACT THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE NOW AND REALLY GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TOP DO A DEEP DIVE ON WHAT THE IMPACTS ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE TRULY ARE AND FIND A WAY TO GET THE COUNTY FULLY COMPENSATED FOR.

MUCH. >>JUDGE BECERRA: DO YOU FEEL -- AS OUR SPEAKER, DO YOU FEEL BETTER OF IT AFTER THE

EXPLANATION. >> THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: CAN YOU APPROACH THE PODIUM.

>> THANK YOU. I READ THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, AND WHAT I DON'T SEE ON THERE IS SOMETHING MORE WHAT I WILL REFER TO FEASIBILITY -- FEESIBILITY STUDY.

BECAUSE IT IS ONLY A TWO-LANE ROAD.

IF THERE IS AN ACCIDENT IN THE MEDAL OF THE ROAD -- I HAVE LIED ON THAT STREET FOR FIVE AND A HALF YEARS WITH THE BREWERIES AND DISTILLERIES, THERE IS A HIGH CONCENTRATION PEOPLE THAT ARE INTOXICATED THAT ARE DRIVING THAT ROAD.

MOST PEOPLE ON THAT ROAD ACTUALLY HIT ANOTHER CAR.

SO THAT ACCIDENT MIGHT VERY WELL BE IN THE MIDDLE OF A ROAD WHICH IS ONLY 10 FEET WIDE WITH NO SHOULDERS OR MIDDLE LANE.

THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WILL TALK JUST THAT.

NOT JUST THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS BUT HOW DO EMERGENCY SERVICES ACTUALLY REACH THE RESIDENTS FOR NEED.

THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY AFTER WHAT WE HAD LAST YEAR WITH ALL THE FIRES THAT WE HAD, THE WILDFIRES.

THERE IS GREAT CONCERN IF THERE IS A FIRE ON THE TO{SUFFIX}ERRED SIDE -- I PASSED ONE ON RANCH ROAD THIS MORNING.

HOW DOES A FIRE DEPARTMENT RESPOND THAT IF YOU HAVE GRIDLOCK ON BOTH SIDES HISTORY ROAD.

I THINK A FEASIBILITY STUDY. NOT ONLY LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC BUT AT THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND MAINTENANCE OF HAYS COUNTY AND TRAVIS COUNTY RESIDENTS. NOT A MATTER OF.

IT IS WHEN. WHAT HAPPENED AT MY HOUSE, IT'S TRAGIC, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN AT SOMEONE ELSE'S HOUSE. IT COULD BE A CHILD THAT DROWNS IN BARTON CREEK, BECAUSE WE ARE ALL ON BARTON CREEK.

THAT IS WHAT EACH NOT HEARING IS AN ANSWER TO THOSE SCENARIOS

THAT ARE VERY REAL. >>JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONER.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: SURE, WHENEVER WE LOOK AT -- I CAN TELL YOU I HAVE SEEN THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND I MADE CLEAR MY CONCERNS. THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY LOOK AT THAT.

WHENEVER WE GET THAT TIA BY LAW, WE COULDN'T -- WE CAN'T MANDATE THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO THAT. WHAT I THINK IS GIVEN VERY

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AND WHAT IS INTERESTING AND I THINK IMPORTANT WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, IS THAT -- I WOULD NOT SHORT SELL ON THAT PROJECT THIS THE SPECIFIC CONCERNS ABOUT REACHING INTO -- OR THE -- THE GEOGRAPHIC AREA FOR TIA FOR THAT PROJECT, BECAUSE IT WOULD PROBABLY REACH INTO TRAVIS COUNTY AS WELL.

I KNOW THAT I HAVE GRAVE CONCERNS OVER A LOW WATER CROSSING THAT IS RIGHT THERE THAT IS -- IT IS NOT NECESSARILY

A ONE-LANE WATER CROSSING. >> VERY NARROW.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: VERY CLOSE.

SO THAT IS A CONCERN IN HAYS COUNTY.

THERE IS ANOTHER ONE 15 FOOT INTO TRAVIS COUNTY THAT IS A ONE LANE MUCH SMALLER THAN THE ONE WE HAVE AND THIS COULD ILLUSTRATE SOME OF OUR ISSUES THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FACILITY NEAR THE COUNTY LINE, WE MAY HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE ASSISTANCE OF THE NEIGHBORING COUNTY AS WELL.

SO ANY REALLY DO FOR THAT >> SPECIFIC PROJECT FEEL IF THAT IS IMPLEMENTED WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON THAT PROJECT. AS TO -- IT WILL BE IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THE RESOLUTION WAS DRAFTED, SPECIFICALLY SAYS PROJECTS THAT ARE IN PREPLAT, ARE CONSIDERED FOR A FINAL PLAT, OR HAVE AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY AND THE -- YOU KNOW THE PROJECT THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HAVE NONE

OF THOSE THREE THINGS. >> COULD THIS PROPOSAL BE USED -- I AM NOT SAYING YOU, BUT IN GENERAL GOING FORWARD.

CAN THIS BE USED FOR PRO DEVELOPMENT ONLY?

CAN IT BE MISUSED FOR THAT WAY? >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: I THINK IF YOU PROBABLY SPOKE TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, I AM NOT GOING TO BE A VERY WELL LIKED PERSON FOR A LITTLE WHILE BECAUSE OF THIS RESOLUTION. I WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY -- RIGHT NOW, THINK OF IT THIS WAY, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO HOOK TO MAKE ANYONE PAY FOR ANY OF THIS. AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ASSESS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND MOBILABLY IN -- AND JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER DECISION THAT INVOLVES THE FINANCING ON DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS A COST THAT THEY WILL LOOK AT.

AND THEY WILL HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IT WILL WORTHWHILE FOR WHATEVER THE DEVELOPMENT IS TO -- TO IMPACT THAT AREA, BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY A PORTION

OF WHATEVER THAT IS. >> IF I MAY MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT, PLEASE. I MET WITH THE MAIN DEVELOPER OF THE PARENT COMPANY BASED OUT OF CALIFORNIA.

HE WAS AWN AWARE THERE WERE LOW WATER CROSSINGS.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: I FEEL BAD SAYING THAT.

BUT I CAN'T ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK ON THAT BECAUSE IT IS NOT

AGENDAIZED. >> PERTAINS TO IT.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: NOT THE RESOLUTION AGENDA ITEM, SO I AM

SORRY. >> THANK YOU.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: SO TO WE HAVE ANY ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? I NEVER WANT TO SHUT PEOPLE OFF DOCTOR BUT AS THE CHAIR -- HAVING SOMEONE COMPLAIN THAT CONVERSATIONS WERE BEING.

HAD THAT WERE NOT AGENDAIZED. THAT IS MY OWN CONCERN.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONED? >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: SKILL FOR TIME WITH THIS. TIME --

>>COMMISSIONER SHELL: I WANT SOME TIME.

I AM CONFUSED WHAT AUTHORITY WILL GRANT THE COUNTY.

I WISH FOR TIME TO UNDERSTAND. IF THERE IS AN AUTHORITY THAT THE COUNTY IS NOT UTILIZING, THAT WILL HELP ADDRESS IMPACTS FROM DEVELOPMENT. I DEFINITELY WANT TO UTILIZE IT BECAUSE THAT IS -- THAT IS ONE OF OUR LARGEST COMPLAINTS TO OUR

EXISTING CITIZENS IS -- >>JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONER

SMITH, OKAY WITH TABLING IS IT. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: SURE, I CAN TABLE IT AND I ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO HAVE A LOOK AT THAT SUBSECTION. THIS CAME UP BY WAY OF BACK GROUND IN ONE OF THE -- ONE OF THE EDUCATIONAL CONFERENCES THAT COMMISSIONER COHEN AND I WERE AT AT THE BE GIVING OF THE YEAR.

WHENEVER IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN OPEN DISCUSSION, WE WERE IN THE LARGE COUNTY GROUP, SO THE THIRD LARGEST COUNTIES IN THE STATE WHO HAVE MEMBERS THERE WERE IN THAT ROOM.

WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT UP, QUITE LITERALLY, ONE COUNTY IN THE ROOM SAID, YEAH, WE DO THIS. AND I WAS SHOCKED.

I MEAN -- WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER THE MOST PROGRESS SELF OR FORWARD-LOOKING COUNTIES WHEN IT COMES TO ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES. OF ALL OF THEM ONLY ONE COUNTY EVER HEARD OF IT WHY I STARTED TO DO RESEARCH ON THIS SPECIFIC SECTION AND HAVEN'T BEEN UTILIZED.

ONE THING THAT I AM PROUD OF HAYS COUNTY FOR DOING IN THE PAST IS CAPTURING THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR CITIZENS TO

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AND THIS IS A WAY THAT POSSIBLY WE CAN DO THAT, THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO CAPTURE IN THE PAST.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU. WE WILL TABLE THIS AGENDA ITEM.

IF YOU WANT TOP REACH OUT TO ME FOR FURTHER DISCUSSIONS.

[K18. Discussion and possible action regarding the contract between Hays County and McCreary, Veselka, Bragg, and Allen, PC for delinquent collections. BECERRA]

GO K-18 AND. OPEN K-18.

>>DR. CARDENAS: K-18, DISCUSSION POSSIBLE.REGARDING THE CONTRACT BETWEEN CONTRACTOR FOR IT ELECTIONS BUILDING TO TRIM BUILT CONSTRUCTION,INC. FOR 1,088,972 --

>>JUDGE BECERRA: ARE YOU READING K-18?

>>DR. CARDENAS: APOLOGIZE. K-18 ROAR DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE APPLICATION REGARDING THE CONTRACT BETWEEN HAYS COUNTY AND MCCREARY VESELKA, BRAGG AND ALLEN.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: MOTION? >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE:

INGALSBE WHAT IS THE MOTION. >>JUDGE BECERRA: I WAS TOLD BRING THIS TO COURT OR THE CONTRACT WEEK PYRE.

IF WE DON'T BRING IT TO COURT FOR A DISCUSSION IT WOULD BE TO AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL. TO ME THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT, SOMETHING NECESSARY TO OPEN IT UP FOR THE BID PROCESS.

MR. KENNEDY, DID I MISS THAT? >> THREE CONTRACTS ALL EXECUTED AT DIFFERENT TIMES. THEY DON'T FUNCTION EXACTLY THE SAME WAY BASED ON THE CONVERSATION, THAT THE JUDGE'S OFFICE WANTED TO PULL ONE OF THE CONTRACTS, THE ONE THAT RENEWS IN APRIL FOR CONSIDERATION. THAT IS THE CONTRACT THAT APPLIES TO DELINQUENCY COLLECTION FOR DISTRICT AND COUNTY COURTS AT LAW. I DON'T GATHER THAT THE OTHER TWO ARE BEING CALLED TO QUESTION SINCE THEY OPERATE AND FUNCTION DIFFERENTLY, BUT IF THE COUNTY AND THIS COURT DID WANT THAT CONTRACT TO AUTO RENEW, THEN IT WOULD NEED TO GIVE 30 DAYS OR MORE NOTICE. AND I CAN GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC DAY MOMENTARILY WHEN THAT WILL NEED TO HAPPEN.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: THAT WAS THE INTENT.

NOT TO HAVE IT AUTO RENEW BUT TO OPEN IT UP FOR BIDS.

THAT WAS THE ASK. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: FOR

DISTRICT -- >>JUDGE BECERRA: THE TAX

COLLECTION PIECE, YEAH. >> THIS WAS LAST CONSIDERED BY THE COURT FEBRUARY 18, 2014. LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE CONTRACT WILL HAVE AUTO RENEW APRIL 207. DOES SO ON A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS AT THIS POINT AND PROVIDES FOR 30-DAY NOTICE BEFORE THE ANNIVERSARY DATE OF THE CONTRACT IF THE COURT WANTS TO DO

SOMETHING DIFFERENT. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: I GUESS THE REASON I ASK, JUDGE. I KNOW WE PROBABLY MAYBE ALL GOT SOME 345I8S REGARDING THIS. I MEAN JENNIFER OPAYNE REACHED OUT AND OUT OF TOWN. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT PERTAINS

TO HER OFFICE. >> THAT IS NOT -- AS I SAID THREE DIFFERENT CONTRACTS WITHIN MVBA.

ONE FOR JUSTICE COURTS AND ONE FOR COUNTY DISTRICT COURTS AT LAW AND ONE FOR THE TAX OFFICE. THE OTHER TWO FUNCTION DIFFERENTLY. SO MY ASSUMPTION BASED ON A CONVERSATION ON FRIDAY AND FRANKLY I HAD TO GET UP TO PACE ON THIS MYSELF BECAUSE I HAVE NOT HEARD OF THIS NEED BEFORE FRIDAY. SO I STARTED ASKING FOR MY STAFF AND OTHERS TO PROVIDE ME WITH INFORMATION I WOULD NEED TO -- TO GLEAN WHAT EXACTLY WHAT WAS WANTED FOR THIS AGENDA AND WHAT I GLEANED FOR THE DISTRICT COURT AND THE COUNTY COURTS OF LAW BASED ON THE DATES IN THE CONTRACT.

SINCE THIS HAPPENED ON FRIDAY, I WAS NOT ABLE TO PUT THIS IN BACK-UP. I HAD NOT GOTTEN THAT INFORMATION SETTLED YET. I DID THAT OVER THE WEEKEND.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: SO, JUDGE --

>>JUDGE BECERRA: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF I CAN GET A MOTION AND SECOND TO HAVE THAT CONV CONVERSATION.

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>>COMMISSIONER COHEN: SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: TWO INDIVIDUALS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

MISS STACEY GOLD IS NUMBER ONE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS AND JUDGE.

MY NAME IS STACEY GOLD, AND I AM A SHAREHOLDER WITH MCCR MCCREARY, VESELKA, BRAGG AND A LLEN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONFIDENCE IN MVBA FOR THE COUNTY'S TAXES.

WE HAVE BEEN COLLECTING TAXES FOR 24 YEARS AND OUR NUMBERS HAVE BEEN OUTSTANDING AND WE CONSISTENTLY PROVIDE THOSE OUTSTANDING NUMBERS YEAR AFTER YEAR.

THE CONTRACT THAT I HAVE IT CONCERNING THE TAX COLLECTION, AUTO RENEWED FOR ANOTHER ONE-YEAR TERM ON MARCH 1.

>> THIS YEAR IT AUTO RENEWED. >> MR. KENNEDY, DID YOU NEED A

COPE OF THE CONTRACT. >> THE DISTRICT BEING CONSIDERED IS THE DISTRICT AND COUNTY COURTS OF LAW, HE BELIEVE.

AGAIN THE CONTRACT THAT THE DISTRICT AND COUNTY COURT OF LAW

THT RENEWED? >> NO, THE TAX COLLECTIONS, THE CONTRACT I BROUGHT BASED ON THE AGENDA ITEM.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: IT IS AUTO RENEWED SO.

>> AS FAR AS TACY AND AND NOEY REYES, THE TWO ATTORNEYS THAT WORK THIS AREA COULD NOT BE HERE OF PRIOR OBLIGATIONS AND NOTICE OF THIS ON FRIDAY.

BUT AS FAR AS THE DISTRICT CLERK CONTRACTS, I WOULD ASK THAT WE TABLE THAT DISCUSSION SO THAT I CAN ADEQUATELY PREPARE FOR HAVING THAT DISCUSSION ON THAT CONTRACT SINCE THE AGENDA ITEM WAS LIMITED TO THE TAX COLLECTIONS CONTRACT.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

IF WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER. POLICE DAPHNE TENORIO.

-- MISS DAPHNE TENORIO. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS, HAYS COUNTY TREASURER.

THE REASON I'M HERE TO SPEAK BECAUSE TIME TO RENEW CONTRACTS.

WHEN WE AUTO RENEW A CONTRACT, WE ARE NOT PUTTING OUT A BID SERVICE. EVERY SINGLE CONTRACT WITHIN OUR COUNTY HAS TO BE BID WHETHER A BANK BID, WHETHER IT IS COMPUTER PURCHASES. WE HAVE TO GET THREE BIDS.

IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST FOR THE TAXPAYER TO ASSURE THAT WE ARE GETTING THE MOST COMP COMPETITIVE.

THE AUTO RENEWING NEEDS TO STOP AND NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED BASED ON WHATEVER POLICY YOU DETERMINE TO DO BUT IN ORDER TO ASSURE THAT EVERY TAXPAYER DOLLAR IS SPENT PROPERLY, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE BID OUT EVERY CONTRACT. CURRENTLY, AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL IN A DEPARTMENT HEAD, IF I WANT TO SPEND $500, I HAVE TO BRING IT TO YOU. WE WANT TO GET THREE BIDS AND THE BEST PRICE AND THE MOST EFFICIENT MANNER.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

NOTHING TO DO AT THIS MOMENT? AM I RIGHT, MR. KENNEDY?

[Items G15 & G21 ]

>> AGAIN -- >>JUDGE BECERRA: I DON'T LIKE -- WORRY -- PLEASE OPEN AGENDA ITEM G-15 AND G-22.

I WON'T BE TALKED DOWN TO, MR. KENNEDY, PLEASE DON'T O IT.

>>DR. CARDENAS: G-15, APPROVE OUT OF STATE TRAVEL FOR ASSISTANT CRIMINAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY MIRANDA BEBERSOL TO ATTEND THE INVESTIGATING AND. SEXUAL ASSAULT CONFERENCE IN ATLANTA, GEORGIA. AUTHORIZE THE HAYS COUNTY CRIMINAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO PURCHASE ONE REPLACEMENT DELL

[04:20:01]

UTILIZING DA DRUG FORFEITURE FUNDS.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >>JUDGE BECERRA: I AM TRYING TO PLUCK THE ITEMS. AND MORE TIME SPENT ALREADY.

BUT IF ANYBODY HAS A QUESTION. A MOTION AND SECOND AND THE DA

STANDING BY. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER SMITH: YES. >>COMMISSIONER COHEN: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: YES. >>JUDGE BECERRA: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: WHAT ITEMS WERE THOSE.

>>JUDGE BECERRA:G-15 ANDANDG-21 >>JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. PEP YOU ARE FREE AND HAVE A GREAT DAY. MR. MCGILL.

YOUR AGENDA ITEMS G-10 AND 16 IF AUTHORIZE AGREEMENT BETWEEN.

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>>DR. CARDENAS: SO D-16 OR. >>DR. CARDENAS:K 10, SERVICE

[Items K10 & K16]

AMEND THE BUDGET. >>JUDGE BECERRA: A MOTION AND

SECOND ON THE RIGHT AGENDA ITEM. >>K-10 THE FIBER AND DATA SERVICES FOR THE BUILDING FOR COUNTYWIDE OPERATIONS.

AND PRETTY STANDARD FOR OUR BUILDING.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: ON THE OTHER AGENDA ITEM.

>> THE OTHER AGENDA ITEM IS JUST THE -- WE RECEIVED FOUR BIDS BACK FOR THE PROPOSAL FOR THE NEW ELECTION AND IT OFFICE.

WITH THE LOWEST BIDDER. I BELIEVE THAT IS IN ALL YOUR INFORMATION. SOMETHING WORTH MENTIONS IS THAT THAT BID IS FOR THE DEMOLITION REBUILD.

AND AND THE SECURITY FOR THE ABOVE WALL FOR THE TWO OFFICES.

THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE COUNTY'S PORTION OF THE PLUMBING, THE FURNITURE, THE ELECTRICAL, HVAC OR SPRINKLER

AND SECURITY SYSTEM. >>JUDGE BECERRA: DOES NOT

INCLUDE THAT. >> DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT.

INCLUDE THE COUNTY CONTRACTOR AND JUST FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?

COMMISSIONER SHELL? >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: REMINDING THE COURT THE BUILDING WAS PURCHASED.

WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO NEED TO MODIFY THE BUILDING FOR ITS INTENDED USE. OBVIOUSLY THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING IS FOR THE MOST PART OF THE WAREHOUSE.

WE DID HAVE TWO SPACE PLAIN GROUPS.

ONE FOR THE BUILDINGS AND ONE WAS FOR THE GOVERNMENT CENTER.

THEY DID AN ANALYSIS FOR WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THE BUILDING TO WHERE IT WILL BE USED MAINLY FOR OFFICE SPACE AND THE OPERATION OF ELECTIONS AND IT. WE DECIDED AFTER GETTING PLANS DONE AND I KNOW STAFF HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE ARCHITECT TRYING TO WHITTLE DOWN WHAT THOSE IMPROVMENTS WILL BE.

WE DECIDED TO BID THE IMPROVEMENTS WITHOUT THE

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SO THE ATTEMPT WAS TO REDUCE WHAT THIS ONE WILL BE UNDERSTANDING WE WILL PAY FOR THOSE SOMEWHERE ELSE AND NOT PAY A GENERAL CONTRACTOR TO MARK UP THOSE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH HVAC AND ELECTRICAL. THE BIDS -- WE GOT FOUR BIDS RANGES FROM 1,088,000 TO 1,177,000.

SO PRETTY SIGNIFICANT OR 1,063,000.

$100,000 DITCH BETWEEN THE LOW AND HIDE BID AND EXTREME.

A COUPLE IN BETWEEN. THE LOW BID BEING THE ONE THAT WAS RECOMMENDED, BUT I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE COURT CHOOSES TO ACCEPT THIS BID, THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE COMING BACK WITH BID FROM HVAC AND PLUMBING

CONTRACTORS. >> WE DETERMINED AT A MEETING THAT WE CAN DO THAT IN THE NEXT COURT DATE WITH THOSE QUOTES.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONER INGALSBE?

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: I KNOW WE HAD HOPED NOT TO HAVE TO SPEND AS MUCH, YOU KNOW, ON THE BUILDING, BUT UNFORTUNATELY -- OR FORTUNATELY, I DON'T KNOW, IT TAKES WORK TO GET THE BUILDING IN THE ORDER THAT IT NEEDS TO -- FOR YOU TO FUNCTION.

AND I KNOW WE ARE TRYING TO DO THAT BEFORE THE -- BEFORE THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION. AND SO -- THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS.

> >>.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: YES. >>COMMISSIONER COHEN: YES.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: YES. MOVING UP -- WHAT IS YOUR

[K8. Discussion and possible action to provide staff with direction regarding the implementation of the 10% pay increase to employees in Grades 106 to 113 who are not bound by the Collective Bargaining Agreement which was approved by the Commissioners Court on Janaury 31, 2023. BECERRA/TENORIO]

PLEASE OPEN K-8. >>K-8, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO PROVIDE STAFF WITH DIRECTION REGARDING THE IMPLEMENTATION. OF THE 10% -- OF THE 10% PAY INCREASE TO EMPLOYEES IN GRADES 106 TO 113 WHO ARE NOT BOUND BY THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT APPROVED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT JANUARY 1, 2023.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >>JUDGE BECERRA: WE DISCUSSED AND AGREED UPON TO SUMMARIZE THE ASSESSMENT AND YOU ARE NODDING NO, BUT LET ME FINISH, AGREED AS A COURT TO SUMMARIZE THE ASSESSMENT AND ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM DEPARTMENT HEADS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS IN NEXT COURT TO MAKE THAT WHOLE THING LAUNCH AS THE MAG PROGRAM. VICE PRESIDENT ANYTHING ANYTHING WITH THE FIRST --

>>JUDGE BECERRA: IT WAS VERY DISTRACTING.

YOU GOT TO KNOW THAT. >> IT IS.

>> TO SO WHEN WE IMPLEMENTED THE FIRST 10% RAISE, THERE WAS -- A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE ALREADY MAXED OUT AT THEIR PAY GRADE.

SET UP IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY BY WOULD HAVE BEEN PAID OUT.

LUMPED -- WE CATEGORIZED AS A LUMP SUM, PAUSE IF WE HAD GIVEN HIM THE ADDITIONAL 10% TOOK THEM INTO A NEW PAY CODE.

WHAT I AM SEEK SOMETHING ADVICE ON HOW TO HANDLE THAT 10%.

BECAUSE ONCE WE TAKE OVER THAT PAY GRADE, I NEED TO KNOW DO YOU WAT ME TO PAY OUT THAT 10%, EVEN THOUGH IT IS GOING TO AFFECT THE PAY GRADE? DO YOU WANT ME TO HOLD OFF UNTIL THE NEW MAG STUDY IS 34RE789ED. SOMETHING THAT WILL AUTOMATICALLY CHANGE THEIR PAY GRADE.

THAT WAS A DISCUSSION THAT VICKI AND I HAD HAD.

MY HONEST OPINION IS YOU AWARDED THAT 10%.

IT NEEDS TO JUST BE PAID. BUT THAT IS A DECISION THAT I CAN'T MAKE. THAT IS IS A DECISION YOU HAVE TO TELL ME TO PROCEED WITH. DO YOU WANT ME TO GO AHEAD AND SWITCH THEM INTO THE LOW GRADE OF THE NEW PAY SCALE? OR HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THAT DONE? GO AHEAD.

>> VICKI FOR SET, HAYS COUNTY BUDGET OFFICE.

CLARIFICATION THE WAY TYPICALLY HANDLE LUMP SUMS, DONE AT THE

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SO THEY ARE GOING -- WHEN THE PLAN IS ADOPTED, MANY OF THESE WILL -- THE RANGES WILL MOVE SO MAY NOT BE OVER THE MAPS ANYMORE OF THE NEW RANGES. BUT THEY ARE OVER THE MAPS IN

THE OLD RANGES. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE:

CURRENTLY. >> THAT IS WHAT I'M HERE FOR IS

FOR DIRECTION. >>JUDGE BECERRA: MAKES SENSE.

I AM CROSS EYED WITH THE OTHER CONVERSATION WE HAD.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: I GUESS I JUST FIGURED THAT WE WOULD PAY

A LUMP SUM. >> HERE IS THE OTHER QUESTION THAT WE HAD WITH REGARDS TO THAT IS IF WE PAY THE LUMP SUM OUT IN ADVANCE, AND LET'S SAY THEY TERMINATE THEIR EMPLOYMENT WITH US, THEN THEY HAVE BEEN PAID IN ADVANCE.

AND THEY TECHNICALLY WOULDN'T HAVE RECEIVED THAT INCOME.

SO ONE THING THAT WE DID THINK ABOUT DOING WAS GOING AHEAD AND PAYING IT OUT MONTHLY AND IN A MONTHLY STIPENDED TYPE CATEGORY TO ASSURE THAT THE EMPLOYEES WERE REMAINING WITHIN 9 COUNTY AS EMPLOYEES. SO THAT WOULD BE -- THAT IS WHAT WE THINK IS A GOOD AVENUE TO PURSUE, BUT, AGAIN, THAT IS A DISCUSSION ITEM THAT I AM BRINGING TO YOU AS THE

COMMISSIONERS COURT TO DECIDE. >>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: I AM GOOD WITH THE MONTHLY, JUDGE. AFTER THAT WAS EXPLAINED.

>>JUDGE BECERRA: MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

MONTHLY. >> MONTHLY?

OKAY. >>JUDGE BECERRA: DO WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE. I THINK WE SHOULD SINCE WE OPENED IT. THE MOTION IS TO DISPENSE MONTHLY THAT 10% TO OVER -- OVER TIME.

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR EVERYONE? SOME MOTION AND CAN I GET A SECOND.

>> FURTHER CLARIFICATION NEEDED. ONCE WE ADOPT A NEW PLAN AND THIS INDIVIDUAL IS NOW WITHIN PAY RANGE.

AND THEY ARE BEING PAID THE EXCESS OF THE INCREASE BEYOND THE OLD MAXIMUM IN LUMP SUMS, DOES IT THEN REVERT INTO A

CURRENT PAY PLAN? >> YES.

>> OKAY. >>JUDGE BECERRA: FOOD PLAN.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COMMISSIONER SMITH: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER COHEN: YES. >>COMMISSIONER SHELL: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER INGALSBE: YES. >>JUDGE BECERRA: YES.

THANK YOU. AND REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR

PATIENCE. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

HAVE A FREIGHT DAY. YES, IF YOU WILL COME UP, YOUR

[M5. Updates of community health assessment by local health department. BECERRA]

>>DR. CARDENAS: M-5, UPDATES OF COMMUNITY HEALTH ASSESSMENT BY

LOCAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. I WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE COMMUNITY HEALTH ASSESSMENT AND A SHORT TIME FRAME THAT IS HAPPENING SO THE UPDATES ARE COMING FREQUENTLY.

ON MARCH 1, WE HAVE OUR COMMUNITY VISIONING SECTION AT THE SAN MARCOS PUBLIC LIBRARY. IT HAD A GREAT TURN OUT AND FAR MORE THAN WE COULD HAVE EXPECTED AND DOING A GREAT FEEDBACK.

YOU WILL SEE SOME HEIGHTS THAT TALK ABOUT THE TIMELINE AND THE CURRENT PHASES AND EVERYTHING GOING FORWARD.

SOME THINGS THAT I REALLY WANT TO DISCUSS THAT ARE IMPORTANT WAS THINGS LIKE THE FEEDBACK. SO THERE IS ABOUT 36 PEOPLE THERE AT THE COMMUNITY VISIONING SENTENCE ALL ACROSS HAYS COUNTY.

I GOT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY ENVISIONED OF A HEALTHY HAYS COUNTY FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. ON TOP OF THAT, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO RESPONDED VIA CAN WEB SITE, WE HAD 11 PEOPLE FROM SAN MARCOS. FOUR PEOPLE FROM KYLE.

TWO PEOPLE FROM DRILZ. FIVE ARE WIMBERLY AND ONE INDIVIDUAL FROM BUDA. WE ARE NOTICING THE MAJOR POPULATION HUBS ARE RESPONDING THE MOST AND WORKING ON CREATING OUTREACH PLANS TO GET TO THE CITY AS TO WOOD CREEK, MOUNTAIN CITY, DRIFTWOOD, ULIN AND BEAR CREEK.

UP AND COMING EVENTS AND WE ARE TRYING TO DO ACTIVITIES UNRELATED TO THE VISIONING SEN SENTENCE. AND TO MOVE FORWARD AND USE THE CONSULTANT'S TIME WISELY OF THE CONTRACT.

AND MONITORING OF PHASE FOUR INCLUDING SURVEYS TO REACH OUT TO COMMUNITIES SUCH AS DRIPPING SPRINGS AND WITH THE VISIONING

[04:35:03]

WE ENVISION HEALTHY HAYS COUNTY WITH FULLY COMMITTED TO EQUITABLE ACCESS TO RESOURCES WHERE ALL PEOPLE ARE THRIVING AND BEING RESILIENT. ENSURE A SYSTEM OF HIGH-QUALITY MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES, EDUCATION, EMPLOYMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE AS AVAILABLE TO ALL.

THE IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THAT VISION STATEMENT IS THAT VISION STATEMENT IS GOING TO BE GUIDING US AND THE WORK OF OUR PARTNERS, COMMUNITY PARTNERS THROUGH THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS ON THE PROJECTS THAT WE COLLABORATE ON TO IMPROVE THE HEALTH OF HAYS COUNTY. ON TOP OF THAT, THERE IS FIVE KEY WORDS I THINK IS REALLY FOOD FOR US TO KIND OF UPHOLD AS A COURT, AS A COUNTY, THAT THE COMMUNITY SAID.

AND THESE FIVE THINGS ARE WHAT THEY VIEWED FOR HAYS COUNTY.

IT IS THRIVING, RESILIENT, FULLY ACCESSIBLE AND IMPROVED.

SO THOSE ARE KEY WORDS THAT THE COMMUNITY REALLY CHERISHED THAT HAYS COUNTY SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED FOR GOING FORWARD IN OUR ACTIVITIES. ANOTHER THING TO HIGHLIGHT IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE TO WORK EFFECTIVELY AND WORKING IN PARTNERSHIPS OUTSIDE OF MY OWN IS THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO BE ABLE TO TRUST LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND HAVE MORE LOCAL COMMUNITY AND MORE MASS COMMUNICATION. AND A TOP OF WORK TOGETHERING TO ACHIEVE VISION. THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE EXPECTING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY HEALTH IMPROVEMENT

>> THE NEXT THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE BEGINNING OF PHASE FOUR, THE BEGINNING OF MAP ASSESSMENTS.

THE TWO ASSESSMENTS WE ARE GOING TO BE CONDUCTING AS THE COMMUNITY STRENGTHS ASSESSMENT WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHAT STRENGTHS AND ASSETS COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE, HOW DO THE STRENGTHS AND ASSETS CONTRIBUTE TO COMMUNITY HEALTH AND THE COMMUNITY STATUS ASSESSMENT IS LOOKING AT A LOT OF STATISTICS OUT THERE QUESTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

SOME QUESTIONS THAT ARISE FROM THAT ASSESSMENT ARE THINGS SUCH AS WHAT IS THE STATUS OF HAYES COUNTY LOOK LIKE SUCH A STATUS CIRCULAR ECONOMIC AND POPULATI EXPERIENCING INEQUITIES OF HEALTH? HOW DO YOU IMPLEMENT THESE OUTCOMES AND HOW ARE WE DOING ON COMMUNITY CONDITIONS WE CARE ABOUT? IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE ARE GOING TO BE TRYING TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

LIKE ET CETERA TRYING TO MODIFY PHASE FOUR FOR MORE OUTREACH IN NATURE. PREDOMINANTLY INDIVIDUALS CAN'T TAKE TIME OUT OF THE DAY TO TRAVEL TO SAN MARCOS.

OTHER THAN THAT, ANY QUESTIONS? >> I LOVE THE MOVEMENT.

GRATEFUL FOR IT. >> COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS,

CONCERNS? >> THANK YOU.

[Items K4 & K5 ]

ACTION TO AND TLIT INSURANCE. COMMISSIONER INGLESBY? >> OF COURSE, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WE HAD THE PRESENTATION. THIS CERTAINLY QUALIFIES FOR ARPA FUNDING THROUGH A RECIPIENT AGREEMENT AND I AM EXTREMELY EXCITED TO HAVE THIS FUNDED BECAUSE IT WILL -- I DON'T KNOW.

I GUESS THIS IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

WILL IT TRANSMIT BEYOND JUST SAN MARCOS?

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CLARIFICATION. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, STATION MANAGER FOR KZFM HERE IN SAN MARCOS.

IT IS A LOW-POWER TRANSMITTER THE CITY IS GIVING TO US BUT WE ALSO ARE ON INTERNET, AS WELL. WE ARE 724, SO NOT ONLY WILL IT BE BASICALLY THROUGHOUT THIS PART OF THE COUNTY, BUT ALSO TRANSMITTING AS WELL THROUGH THE INTERNET, AS WELL, 724, SO WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR HELP AND WE WANT TO WORK AS WELL WITH THE LOW-POWER REPEATERS THROUGH THE CITY ALSO WORKING WITH STAFF FOR CITIZEN BAND, AS WELL, CONNECTING THROUGH THE STATION FOR OTHER MODES OF COMMUNICATION, AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU. >> I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL.

WHAT A GREAT EFFORT, WHAT A GREAT ENDEAVOR, WHAT A GREAT SERVICE. OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> PLEASE CALL THE ROLE. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER INGLESBY.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SHELL.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES AND SORRY AND THANK YOU.

[Items J1 - J3 ]

>> WE DO HAVE OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF.

I THINK MARCUS IS OUT TODAY. I KNOW THEY ARE ANXIOUS TO GET BACK TO THE OFFICE. I KNOW WE HAVE THREE FOR SUBDIVISIONS J1, TWO, AND THREE.

>> PERFECT. LET'S DO THAT PLEASE I KNOW WE

ARE GOING TO GO TO PERFECT. >> J ONE.

OKAY, J1 PLM-2099 HASH PC, PUBLIC HEARING FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION WITH ACTION REGARDING LOSSLESS, SECTION 2

LOT 3C REPLANT. >> JUST UP THERE BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS I'M GOING TO OPEN FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS AGENDA ITEM PLEASE APPROACHED THE PODIUM. THESE COMMENTS WERE TWO MESSAGES FROM ALAN AND MARK OF THE ADDITIONAL COMMENT WAS MARK AND I RECEIVED A LETTER TO ANNOUNCE MUSLIM A SECTION 2 LOT 3C REPLANT. THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION COPY WAS NOT INCLUDED WITH THE LETTER AS STATED.

THE FINAL HEARING IS TODAY AND THEY ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND.

MARK AND I DO NOT AGREE WE HAVE BEEN PROVIDED SUFFICIENT TIME OR ACCURATE INFORMATION TO RESPOND TO THIS PROPOSAL SO WITHOUT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WE BOTH OFFICIALLY OPPOSE THIS DEVELOPMENT AT THIS TIME IS CONTINUOUS OWNERS TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THEY WROTE SUBSEQUENTLY, MARK AND I WERE ABLE TO GATHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM ANOTHER MUSLIM IS CONTIGUOUS NEIGHBOR.

IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THE OWNER IS MERELY SUBDIVIING ACRES ACCORDING TO LOS LOMAS HOA.

>> JUDGE COLBY IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS BUT THAT IS CORRECT, A 10 ACRE LOT BEEN SUBDIVIDED INTO FIVE ACRE LOTS.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS COLBY WITH THE PLANNING DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.

THIS WILL ESTABLISH TWO LOTS ACROSS TWO ACRES.

REVIEW HAS BEEN COMPLETED PURSUANT TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT CLOUD CHAPTER 2-32. THERE ARE NO VARIANCES REQUESTED OF THE SITE HAS PASTORAL STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

>> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

>> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER SHELL >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER COHEN >> YES.

PLN-216-PLN P REGARDING POSSIBLE ACTION OF THE ROCKY CREEK STATE DIVISION FINAL PLAN.

>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU AGAIN.

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RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER SHELL >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER COHEN >> YES > AND JUDGE. J3-2162-PC CALLING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH 28TH 2023 FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE OAK RIDGE PARK SETTLEMENT.

LOT 7 AND PART OF LOT 6 REPLANT.

>> SECOND. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

[M7. Updates on measurable advancement of Pretrial Services to include the areas of staffing, equipment, training, operations and policy, by Director Pre-Trial Services Randy Focken. BECERRA]

COMMISSIONER SHELL >> YES COMMISSIONER SMITH

>> YES >> M7, PLEASE.

>> M7 UPDATES ON MEASURABLE ADVANCEMENT OF PRETRIAL SERVICES FOR AREAS OF STAFFING PRETRAINING POLICY BY THE DIRECTOR OF PRETRIAL SERVICES RANDY COGAN.

>> I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA AS A STARTING ITEM SO WE CAN ALL HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON TOGETHER AND FEEL INFORMED AND UPDATED AS THIS IS A BRAND-NEW DEPARTMENT AND I'VE DONE EVERYTHING I CAN TO SHOW SUPPORT AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A CLEAR WIDE OPEN LINE OF COMMUNICATION SO I INVITED

HIM TO BE HERE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.

I AM RANDY FOLK AND, THE DIRECTOR OF WORKING ON RENAMING THE COURT IN PRETRIAL SERVICES. THE FIRST THING I WANT TO DO IS INTRODUCE OUR NEW ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. ALBERT SIERRA IS A LOCAL RESIDENT. ANYWAY, HE HAS AN EXTENSIVE HISTORY IN PRETRIAL SERVICES. HE RETIRED RECENTLY FROM THE FEDERAL COURT SYSTEM AND HE BRINGS A GREAT DEAL OF KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE IN PRETRIAL.

ALBERT AND I HAVE SPENT ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF TIME TOGETHER IN DISCUSSING THE LAYOUT OF THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE IN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE HAD SOME MAJOR ENGAGEMENTS WITH A NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS, COUNTYWIDE ORGANIZATIONS HERE WITH HAYES COUNTY BUT WE HAVE ALSO INITIATED CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AS I SAID WITH ALBERT'S BACKGROUND, HE IS ASSISTING IN SOME COMMUNICATION WITH HIS PREVIOUS EMPLOYER. WE ARE NOW IN DISCUSSIONS OF GETTING ASSISTANCE FROM DALLAS COUNTY OFFICIALS.

THEY HAVE OFFERED US SOME OF THE SYSTEMS THAT THEY HAVE DEVELOPED. THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING HERE IN THAT THEY ARE PART OF THE OLD TERM PROBATION DEPARTMENT SO THEY ARE NOW OPERATING SEPARATELY FROM THEIR SYSTEM, AND THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED A GREAT DEAL OF GROWTH.

WE ANTICIPATE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF GROWTH, AS WELL, WHEN I HAVE MET WITH NOW EACH ONE OF BOTH JUDGE, YOU AND EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS, I FINALLY WAS ABLE TO MEET WITH THE LAST TWO I HAD NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH AND THAT -- I GUESS THE LAST MEMBER I MET WITH WAS COMMISSIONER SMITH.

WE MET FINALLY LAST WEEK AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER COHEN. SHE HAS SET A REQUEST FOR ME TO MEET WITH HER AND IN BOTH CASES WE HAD A RATHER ENGAGING CONVERSATION.

LET ME GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER COHEN . IN SOME OF YOUR CONVERSATION WITH ME YOU HIGHLIGHTED AREAS OF INTEREST WHICH ARE PUBLIC HEALTH, FINANCIAL INTERESTS, AS WELL AS TECHNOLOGY. I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE THOSE ARE SOME CRITICAL ELEMENTS WE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM. AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, THE INDIVIDUAL THAT PROBABLY WORKED THE HARDEST TO GET ME TO COME

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I FEEL THAT WE ARE LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF THE CURVE HERE.

ONE OF THE BARRIERS I WILL BRING OUT HAS BEEN THE SURVEY STUDY. IT HAS CREATED A BARRIER FOR US. ALBERT HAS SUGGESTED SOME POTENTIAL INDIVIDUALS THAT WE COULD REPORT INTO THE SYSTEM.

I HAVE ALSO RECEIVED PHONE CALLS OR EMAILS, I SHOULD SAY, FROM OTHER POTENTIAL CANDIDATES I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME OTHER POTENTIAL CANDIDATES TO BRING OVER FROM THE PROBATION OFFICE. I AM HOPEFUL WE WILL GET SOME INTEREST THERE, BUT THE BARRIER I HAVE ENCOUNTERED HAS BEEN THE PAY SCALE, AND SO WHILE I WAS PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD AND PUT THOSE POSITIONS OUT FOR PUBLICATION AND RECRUITMENT, I WAS ADVISED BY A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS, PLEASE JUST WAIT UNTIL WE GET THE FINALIZATION OF WHAT THAT PAY RANGE IS GOING TO BE. AS AN EXAMPLE, I HAD ONE INDIVIDUAL REACH OUT TO US THAT CURRENTLY WORKS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR THIS COUNTY, BUT THEIR SALARY, FRANKLY, IT'S IN BETWEEN ALBERT'S AND MY OWN SALARIES.

WE CANNOT AFFORD TO PICK UP THAT INDIVIDUAL, AND THEY ARE NOT A HIGH-RANKING OFFICIAL WITHIN THAT ORGANIZATION BUT THE PACE SEPARATES US QUITE SUBSTANTIALLY, SO IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY, OUR LEVEL OF RECRUITMENT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, MEANING THAT WE MAY BE FOCUSED MORE ON LESS EXPERIENCED INDIVIDUALS, THEN IT WILL BE THE BURDEN OF ALBERT AND MYSELF TO TRAIN THEM ON WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING.

BUT, THE OTHER ELEMENT THAT IS MOST CRITICAL, AND I THINK I ADVISED INDIVIDUALS FROM THE START WHEN I WAS FIRST INTERVIEWED WAS IN DISCUSSIONS WITH EACH ONE OF YOU, THE HIGHEST PRIORITY WE HAVE TO ADDRESS IS OUR USE OF TECHNOLOGY AND I KNOW HE IS NOT IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW, BUT PROBABLY THE BIGGEST PROPONENT AND THE HARDEST WORKING PERSON I HAVE WORKED WITH NOT JUST HERE BUT IN MY CAREER, IS JEFF MGILL. JEFF HAS BEEN PRESENT LIKELY AT LEAST 80% OF THE MEETINGS WE HAVE ATTENDED, ON PURPOSE.

WHAT WE ARE DEVELOPING HERE IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE PRESENTLY HAVE IN OPERATION, MEANING THAT AT THE START WE WILL INITIATE ACTUAL INTERVIEWS.

PRESENTLY THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE.

THE REPORTS THAT ARE SUBMITTED TO THE MAGISTRATES, TO THE JUDGES BASICALLY ARE FROM A REVIEW OF WHAT MATERIAL WOULD'VE BEEN AVAILABLE WITHOUT THOSE INDIVIDUALS PRESENT, SO AS A RESULT, WE HAVE A VERY SKEWED OR LIMITED, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DESCRIBE IT, INFORMATION THAT IS DESCRIBED TO THE COURTS. IN ADDITION, THERE IS A RISK THE SAME ASSESSMENT THAT WAS DESIGNED HERE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. LAST WEEK, ALBERT SENT ME A DOCUMENT, BECAUSE I ASKED HIM TO REVIEW WHAT I PREPARED ALREADY ON POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND HE SENT ME A DOCUMENT THAT OUTLINES THE CURRENT STATE OF TEXAS PRETRIAL PRACTICE AND BY LAW, WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO AND SO FORTH AND I SAID I APPRECIATE YOU FINDING THAT, BUT WHAT IT ALSO IDENTIFIES IS SOMEWHERE APPROXIMATELY 15 YEARS BEHIND US PRACTICES OF WHAT WE DO IN OUR BUSINESS.

WE WILL BE UPDATING THIS SO THAT WE ARE AT THE STANDARD THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. MY INTENT IS FOR THIS DEPARTMENT NOT TO BE JUST WELL- FUNCTIONING, IT SHOULD BE THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY AND THAT IS PRIMARILY BASED ON THE WORK OF THE TEAM WE NOW HAVE IN THAT WE WILL HAVE, BUT ALSO FROM THE WORK IN COLLABORATION WITH JEFF AND HIS TEAM.

PART OF OUR PLAN IS HE WILL BE PRESENTING TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT NEXT MEETING, THE OFFERING OF TWO TECHNOLOGY

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HE AND I TALKED. WE INITIALLY WERE GOING TO PRESENT IT TODAY AND IT WAS SUGGESTED ONCE AGAIN TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE SALARY SURVEY RESULTS IN, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO IMPEDE HIS RECRUITMENT. AS EVERYONE WELL KNOWS, I.T.

IS WELL UNDERSTAFFED. SO, SOME OF THE INITIAL DESIGN WORK WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING WELL ACTUALLY INVOLVE HIM DOING SOME OF THAT WORK ALONG WITH HIS CURRENT STAFF AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT IMPEDING OPERATIONS ACROSS THE SYSTEM, BUT KEEP IN MIND WHAT WE DEVELOP OUT OF THIS WILL NOT ONLY IMPROVE ACCESS TO INFORMATION AND MOVEMENT OF INFORMATION MORE QUICKLY FOR THE COURTS. IT WILL PROVIDE ACCESS AND INFORMATION TO OTHERS IN THIS ROOM FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO IT WELL AND WE DO IT RIGHT. PART OF THE PRIORITY THAT WAS OUTLINED TO ME FROM THE BEGINNING, FROM A NUMBER OF PEOPLE INCLUDING MEMBERS OF THE COURT IS THE PRIORITY FOR MENTAL HEALTH, AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THIS DEVELOP WHERE WE INCLUDE THE USE OF TECHNOLOGY, BUT PROBABLY BY FAR, THE PERSON I HAVE WORKED WITH THE MOST IN REGARD TO THIS IS JUDGE BROWN AND HER TEAM, AND AS WE GOT TO KNOW EACH OTHER -- I HAD NO IDEA THE LEVEL OF BACKGROUND KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE SHE HAS IN MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE.

IT HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL FOR US AS WE ARE CREATING THIS DESIGN AND WE ARE ENGAGED IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE, AS WELL AS OTHER JUDGES TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE IMPLEMFFERENCE AND ONCE WE DEVELOP THAT ELEMENT, AND UNFORTUNATELY, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY HEY, WE HAVE ALL THESE THINGS OPERATIONAL. WE CAN'T.

HAS, IT TAKES TIME TO BUILD THIS, ESPECIALLY THE TECHNOLOGY PIECE. WE HAVE TALKED TO OUR CURRENT TECHNOLOGY PROVIDER, JEFF AND I TOGETHER AND MOST OF THE CONVERSATIONS. THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT IT WOULD TAKE THEM A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME TO DEVELOP WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR BUT THERE IS ALSO THE POTENTIAL OF A THIRD- PARTY ORGANIZATION. AGAIN, I HAVE BEEN ADVISED BY THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TO NOT SAY ANYTHING REGARDING POTENTIAL CANDIDATES DOWN THE ROAD TO POTENTIALLY CONTRACT WITH BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO IMPEDE ANY NEGOTIATIONS FOR HOW WE FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE AWARDING OF CONTRACTS IN THIS COUNTY, AND MR. KENNEDY HAS MET WITH ME ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS REGARDING MAKING SURE WE ARE FOLLOWING THE LEGAL EXPECTATIONS.

THE STATE OPERATES DIFFERENT FROM MOST OF THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS I'VE WORKED WITH THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO VIOLATE ANY STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS FOR WHAT WE DO, BUT IN THE DISCUSSIONS WITH MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE WE RECOGNIZE LIKELY THE NUMBER OF INDVIDUALS THAT ARE PRETRIAL DETAINED IN CUSTODY, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, IF WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE RIGHT OPPORTUNITIES, THE GOAL WOULD BE TO MOVE THOSE INDIVIDUALS OUT BUT WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THAT MOVE UNTIL WE HAVE A WAY TO ASSESS WHERE THEY'RE AT. THERE IS NO ASSESSMENT INSTRUMENT CURRENTLY USED OTHER THAN THERE IS A MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDER, I UNDERSTAND, THAT DOES SOME BASIC MENTAL HEALTH ASSESSMENTS SOMETIME DOWN THE ROAD AFTER INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN BEFORE THE COURT. OUR GOAL IS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN ADVANCE OF ANY COURT APPEARANCES, AND I HAVE INDICATED TO MR. SIERRA THAT OUR EXPECTATION WILL BE FOR STAFF TO HAVE AT LEAST A VERBAL REPORT TO OUR COURTS AT LEAST TWO HOURS AFTER. THAT IS A MAJOR DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT HAS BEEN DONE NOW. I HAVE HAD IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION WITH KELLY HIGGINS' OFFICE AND MORE SPECIFICALLY WITH GREG COX REGARDING IDENTIFICATION OF WHICH INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE CURRENTLY DETAINED SHOULD BE THE FIRST PRIORITY FOR US TO INTERVIEW. OUR PLAN IS TO REINTERVIEW EACH ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO HOPEFULLY CONVINCE THE COURTS TO PRESENT TO US AN UPDATE OF THEIR STATUS AND HOPEFULLY SOME OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS CAN BE RELEASED.

THE OTHER BARRIER THAT WE HAVE HERE, I HAD NO IDEA UNTIL I GOT HERE, THERE ARE NO PROGRAMS OR PROPER ENGAGEMENT WE NEED TO HAVE TO HELP PREPARE A PERSON FOR THE NEXT MOVE, SO PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD WITH MEMBERS OF THE JAIL STAFF, THE LEADERSHIP TEAM IS TO ESTABLISH WHERE THEY HAVE A PROGRAM CREATED THAT WE WILL HAVE AN ONGOING USE OF THAT PROGRAM AND

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AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT WITH A LOT OF OFFICIALS. WE HAVE HAD THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE REGARDING THEIR ROLE IN THIS AND I HAVE HAD THAT CONVERSATION IN PART AS A REQUEST FROM JUDGE STEELE. HE WANTED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW THE ROLE IS GOING TO SERVE AND HE HAD A QUESTION FOR ME THAT WAS INTERESTING. HE SAID RANDY, WHY IS IT THAT THEY WOULD NEED ADDITIONAL STAFF OUTSIDE OF THEIR ATTORNEYS ? AND HE SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF MENTAL HEALTH SPECIALISTS, AND HE SAID AND I'M SURE YOU CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION I SAID YES, SIR, WE CAN.

MY GOAL IS FOR US TO HAVE MENTAL HEALTH SPECIALISTS WHO CAN WORK WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS, BUT WE HAVE TO INSTRUCT OUR TEAM THAT IF A PERSON IS IN PRETRIAL STATUS, WE CAN ASK NO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CRIME WITH WHICH THEY ARE CURRENTLY CHARGED. MORE THAN LIKELY, THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN THAT CRIME HAS SOME RELATIONSHIP TO THEIR POTENTIAL SUBSTANCE ABUSE OR MENTAL HEALTH STATUS SO WE CAN'T ASK THE QUESTION BUT I SAID JUDGE, THE MENTAL HEALTH SPECIALISTS WORKING FOR THE PUBLIC DEFENDER CAN ASK THOSE QUESTIONS SO THEN ONCE THEY HAVE HAD THAT, AND I HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE PUBLIC DEFENDER THEN OUR TEAMS CAN COLLABORATE TOGETHER TO IDENTIFY THE BEST NEXT STEPS TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES NECESSARY . SO, WHILE WE HAVE NOT GOT SOMETHING PHYSICALLY IN PLACE, WE ARE FURTHER ALONG THAN I COULD HAVE PREDICTED, AND I AM GOING TO SAY, MUCH OF THAT IS BECAUSE EACH DEPARTMENT OR ORGANIZATIONAL HEADER THE PEOPLE WE HAVE MET WITH LITERALLY CHECKED IN I USE THIS TERM OFTEN THROUGH MY CAREER, HAVE CHECKED THEIR EGOS AND IN THIS CASE HAVE CHECKED WHETHER THEY ARE REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRAT OR INDEPENDENT. THEY ARE FOCUSED ON THE SAME THING AS WE ARE, TO PROVIDE THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP A SAFE COMMUNITY WHILE IMPROVING OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED TO BE RELEASED. MY OPINION IS THAT THE ENGAGEMENT OF OUR TEAM WILL ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY WHILE PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE PEOPLE. IF I WAS LONG AND

THAT STATEMENT -- >> THAT'S GOOD.

I HAVE HEARD ALL THIS AND I THANK YOU FOR IT, BUT I AM SURE THE VIEWING PUBLIC NEEDS TO HEAR IT, TOO, BUT FOR BAIL RECONSIDERATION INTERVIEWS, HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE YOU

INTERVIEWED? >> WE HAVE NOT INTERVIEWED ANYONE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF OR THE PROPER RISK

ASSESSMENT TO USE FOR THAT. >> AS THIS ASSESSMENT THE TECHNOLOGY ASSESSMENT YOU ARE WORKING ON?

>> IT'S A COMBINATION. JUDGE BROWN AND I HAVE TALKED A GREAT DEAL ABOUT THE KIND OF ASSESSMENTS TO ASSIST IN MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE CATEGORIES, BUT ONE OF THE AREAS THAT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED HERE AT ALL AND HAS OFTEN NOT BEEN ADDRESSED ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS ADDRESSING THE PERSON'S COGNITIVE THINKING. WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, WE CAN CERTAINLY PLACE A PERSON INTO A PROGRAM, BUT IF THEY ARE NOT COGNITIVELY THINKING AND USING COGNITIONS TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION TO GO THROUGH IT, WE CAN PUT THEM THROUGH THE PROGRAM AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO SEE ANY OUTCOMES, SO WE HAVE TO CREATE THAT ELEMENT. THERE ARE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS AND I AM ENGAGED WITH A TEAM AND TRYING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH A GENTLEMAN NAMED CHRIS LOEWEN CAMP.

CHRIS WROTE SOME OF THE BEST RISK ASSESSMENTS USED IN THE COUNTRY OUT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI OUT OF THE STATE OF OHIO. CHRIS HAS BEEN ON LOAN TO THE FEDERAL COURT SYSTEM AND HE WROTE A RISK ASSESSMENT CALLED THE PCRA AND ONE OF THE THINGS I DEVELOPED -- THE REASON I KNOW THIS IS THAT I DID AN EVALUATION AND REVIEW OF THE PCRA A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. WHAT HE DID NOT INCLUDE WAS A SCORING OF THE COGNITIONS AND MORE THAN LIKELY IF I SIT AND COUNT THEM, THERE ARE MORE OF THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS THAT THERE ARE FOUR OTHER ELEMENTS IN VARIOUS SUBDOMAINS WE ADDRESS. IF WE COULD ESTABLISH, AND I

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WE PUT THEM INTO A COGNITIVE BEHAVIORAL INTERVENTION PROGRAM CALLED JOURNALS. THE JOURNALS I HAVE USED IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY BENEFICIARY TO WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO ACCOMPLISH AND IT DID NOT COME FROM ME.

IT CAME FROM STAFF AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AS SUGGESTED TO ME HOW WE COULD DO IT. SOME OF YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT AND I SAID IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A GAME SHOW.

THEY SAID WE COULD DO IT IN FIVE SESSIONS OR LESS AND WHAT WE IDENTIFIED GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS -- WE GOT THE PEOPLE ENGAGED IN SOME PROGRAMS WE HAD THAT I WAS USING OUT THERE -- WE HAD LESS THAN A 25% SUCCESS RATE PRIOR TO THESE.

WITHIN SIX MONTHS, OUR SUCCESS RATE WAS MORE THAN 98% AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE WANTED TO CONTINUE GOING AND MOST OF THEM

DID NOT FAIL IN THE SYSTEM. >> I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT MY QUESTION -- I WANT TO BE MORE POINTED, MORE DELIBERATE. I'M LOOKING TO GET AN ANSWER FROM YOU THAT WOULD HELP ME TO ANSWER MY CONSTANT IN EVERY SPACE I OCCUPY. I'M LOOKING FOR MEASURABLE, OBTAINABLE GOALS, SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS -- I'M GLAD YOU POINTED TO A NON-TECHNOLOGY VERSION OF ASSESSING INDIVIDUALS, OR RE-EVALUATING THEM.

MY QUESTION IS, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT PRESSURE ON ANY FRONT IN ANY ANGLE. I'M JUST LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER.

WHEN WILL YOU BE ABLE TO INTERVIEW THE FIRST RESIDENT OF

OUR JAIL? >> OUR TARGET -- AND AGAIN, WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER THE LATEST TARGET BASED ON OUR NEEDS -- IS BY MAY, TO START DOING THOSE INTERVIEWS.

KEEP IN MIND, WE ARE WAITING UNTIL WE CAN HIRE STAFF AT THE RIGHT LEVELS, OR THE FINALIZED LEVELS OF PAY, SO WE CAN RECRUIT THE RIGHT INDIVIDUALS. SO, I HAVE TASKED MR. SIERRA TO LOOK AT -- BECAUSE ONCE WE HIRE THEM WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ÚT I DON'T WANT TO RUSH IT TO DO IT THE WRONG WAY AND IN FACT, I HAVE BEEN ASKED BY THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, BY THE JUDICIARY, BY THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE NOT TO RUSH IT TOO MUCH. I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY WE COULD DO IT TOMORROW BUT IF WE TRIED TO DO IT TOMORROW, WE MAY HAVE POOR OR EVEN WORSE OUTCOMES THAN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROGRAMS TO PUT THEM INTO, SO WE HAVE ALSO BEEN INTERVIEWING PROGRAM PROVIDERS AND CANDY FROM JUDGE BROWN'S OFFICE HAS BEEN SO GRACIOUS IN HELPING US OUTLINE AND BRING IN POTENTIAL PROGRAMS TO MEET WITH ALL THE WAY FROM SAN ANTONIO, ALL THE WAY TO AUSTIN, AND THOSE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE BEEN HELPFUL. IN FACT, ALBERT CAME BACK FROM A MEETING WHERE WE BOTH WERE BOOKED AND INDICATED THAT SMITH SUGGESTED SOME POTENTIAL LOCAL PROGRAMS THAT WE COULD ALSO ENGAGE WITH, AND I KNOW WE ARE WORKING ON ACCESS TO SOME OF THOSE INSTITUTIONS. I WISH I COULD TELL YOU SOMETHING MORE OF WHAT WE ARE DOING, BUT I CAN'T BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THOSE ACTUALLY IN PLACE, BUT WE ARE IN A PLACE WHERE WE ARE MOVING FORWARD QUITE QUICKLY.

>> COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I JUST APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU ALL HAVE BEEN DOING, AND IT IS EXCITING TO HEAR THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PROGRAMS AVAILABLE, BECAUSE I KNOW IT IS NOT JUST GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF JAIL THAT DON'T NEED TO BE THERE, WHICH IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

IT IS ALSO PROVIDING THE SERVICES AND THE PROGRAMS THEY NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE MAYBE THEY CAN BE SUCCESSFUL, AND SO THANK YOU.

AND I GUESS I'M PROBABLY LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS COURT.

WE WANT IT QUICK AND WE WANT IT NOW, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RANDY, THAT IT TAKES TIME AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IT RIGHT. BUT IF WE CAN GET THAT DATE A LITTLE -- YOU KNOW, SOONER, YOU KNOW, THAT IS EVEN BETTER.

>> CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? I FORGOT TO MENTION, WHEN I MET WITH JUDGE STEELE EARLY ON -- I WON'T USE ALL THE ADJECTIVES HE USED BUT HE SAID TO ME HE SAID RANDY, I AM A VERY HARD-CORE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN JUDGE, BUT I REALLY LIKE -- HE WILL PROBABLY KILL ME FOR SAYING THIS IN PUBLIC -- HE SAID I REALLY LIKE THE DEMOCRATIC VIEWS TOWARD PROGRAMMING AND PROVIDING ALTERNATIVE ACTIVITIES FOR PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THE SYSTEM. I HAVE HEARD THAT COLLECTIVELY

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WHAT ARE MY OPTIONS? I SAID WELL JUDGE, TYPICALLY WE HAVE OPERATED WITH THREE OPTIONS.

PRISON, JAIL, OR PROBATION. THERE IS A FOURTH.

NONE OF THE ABOVE. IF WE CAN ACHIEVE WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THE INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT HAVING TO DO ALL THIS OTHER STUFF -- A LOT OF TIMES WE PLAY SOMEONE ON PROBATION WE THINK WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING.

WE ARE NOT. IF A PERSON DOES NOT NEED ANY OF THAT, WE ARE SETTING THEM UP TO FAIL SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND WHAT HE WANTS US TO DO IS ACCOMPLISH GOALS TO GET THEM THROUGH PRETRIAL, AND MEETING WITH KELLY HIGGINS AND GREG COX, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS KELLY HAD -- HE HAD ASKED ME HE SAID, SO IN REGARD TO PRETRIAL DIVERSION, HE HAD A SUGGESTION OF CERTAIN CRITERIA FOR PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH IN THEIR VERSION.

SO HE SAID IS THAT AMENABLE TO YOU AND I SAID KELLY, YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON, YOU ARE THE ONLY DEPARTMENT WHO CAN MAKE THAT DECISION. I CAN'T REPRESENT IN PRETRIAL NOR CAN THE JUDGE. THAT'S YOUR DECISION AND I SAID IN FACT, WHETHER THE PERSON IS ON DIVERSION OR JUST PRETRIAL RELEASE, WE ARE GOING TO FOCUS ON THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM AS WE BUILD THE PROGRAMMING THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE, SO ANOTHER WORDS I SAID KELLY, THERE IS NOTHING THAT SAYS AS THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD IN THE SYSTEM THEY STILL HAVE NOT YET BEEN CONVICTED. THERE IS NOTHING THAT DETERS YOU FROM MAKING A DECISION FOR MOVING THEM OVER TO DIVERSION, AND SO ONE OF THE IMPEDIMENTS FOR PEOPLE WHEN THEY HAVE COME THROUGH THE SYSTEM -- KEEP IN MIND I HAVE BEEN HAVING THIS BUSINESS FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS.

IN FACT, I TURN 65 IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE OBSERVED IS WHEN THEY GET THAT SEAT FOR CONVICTION BEHIND THEIR NAME, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND A JOB, TO DO A LOT OF THINGS. IF WE CAN AVOID THAT BY STILL MAKING SURE WE HAVE ADDRESSED THE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR WHERE THEY'RE AT, WE CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE FOR THEM, AND IT TAKES A TEAM EFFORT AND THAT IS WHAT PROBABLY IS MUCH AS ANYTHING, I HAVE BEEN IMPRESSED WITH WHAT EACH OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT I HAVE MET WITH . [INDISCERNIBLE] NEWLY ELECTED OFFICIALS TO COME ON BOARD BUT IF I HAD TO SAY THE SYSTEM MADDOCK APPROACH, IT WOULD MATTER IF I DIDN'T KNOW WHO IT WAS SAYING, IT WOULD COME FROM EVERY ONE OF THEM.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. WHEN DID YOU START?

>> I HAVE TO THINK, 12TH OF DECEMBER.

>> COMMISSIONER COHEN, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

>> WE JUST RECENTLY MET SO EVERYTHING I HAVE HEARD -- I'VE BEEN ANXIOUS FOR YOU TO GET YOUR PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING AND ANYTHING I CAN HELP PROVIDE A PROGRAM IN THE AREA, AS WELL, I'M HAPPY TO LOOK INTO THAT, TOO, BUT THANK YOU FOR MOVING

FORWARD WITH THAT. >> BY THE WAY, TAMMY HAS RECENTLY VACATED PREVIOUS OFFICES AND ELDER AND I HAVE JUST MOVED INTO WHAT WAS COUNTY OPERATIONS OFFICES.

WHILE THEY ARE SITTING HERE I GOT IT TEXT NOTIFYING ME WE ACTUALLY HAVE OUR KEYS TO OUR OFFICES NOW, SO I APPRECIATE -- I KNOW WHEN I FIRST WAS TOLD THEY COULD TAKE UP TO 30 DAYS, I WAS IMPRESSED WITH HOW QUICKLY YOU VACATED THE OFFICES AND IN FACT I KIND OF CAME IN WHEN YOU WERE STILL MOVING OUT FOR US TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT SOMETHING SO I REALLY

APPRECIATE THAT. >> THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER SHELL, COMMENTS? >> THANK YOU.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE A PRETRIAL PROGRAM RUN THROUGH ADULT SUPERVISION AND THE IDEA OF THIS IS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, CHANGE THE WAY WE DO THAT.

IDEAS FROM JUDGES, DISTRICT ATTORNEYS TO DEFENSE ATTORNEYS AND EVERYTHING, I THINK I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WAYS WE COULD IMPROVE THE SYSTEM AND SO THAT IS WHY RANDY IS HERE AND WHY HE IS WORKING TO BUILD A NEW PROGRAM BUT WHILE HE IS DOING THIS, WE STILL DO HAVE OFFICERS HANDLING PRETRIAL.

WE HOPE TO PROGRESS INTO THIS NEW WAY OF DOING THINGS AS SOON

AS POSSIBLE. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SHELL, FOR SUPPORTING THIS ENDEAVOR.

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>> COMMISSIONER SMITH ? >> CLOSING THOUGHTS, SIR?

>> I FAILED TO MENTION THE COMMISSIONER SHALL REACHED OUT TO ME ONE DAY AND ASKED ME IF I WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO MEET WITH A GROUP HE MEETS WITH EVERY TWO WEEKS AND I'M GOING TO MISPRONOUNCE IT. IS IT [INDISCERNIBLE]? SO, WE HAD A VERY GOOD CONVERSATION. COMMISSIONER, I KNOW YOU'RE ON THE CALL WITH US AND AS YOU GUYS HAVE NOTICED, I TALK A LOT AND I DOMINATED THE CONVERSATION, I WOULD GUESS, THERE, AND WHAT IS ENLIGHTENING IS HOW ACCEPTING THEY WERE OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO STRIVE TOWARD, AND WE GET ONE CHANCE TO HAVE A FIRST START, FIRST CHANCE, OR HOWEVER YOU PHRASE THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN DO IT RIGHT IN THE COUNTY CAN BE PROUD OF ITSELF.

NOT ME, PROUD OF HIMSELF FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING.

>> BEAUTIFUL. I PULLED ONE OUT OF YOUR CONVERSATION POINTS THAT I CAN MEASURE, A MEASURABLE OBTAINABLE GOALS WITH NO PRESSURE.

I HAVE NEVER AND WILL CONTINUE TO NEVER GIVE YOU PRESSURE.

I WANT TO DO A SAKE, WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING ON DOING? SO, I CAN CHECK IT. TRUST BUT VERIFY.

THESE ARE ALL GREAT IDEAS BUT ON ASKING TO HAVE YOU DO IS UPDATE THE CORD IN THE COMMUNITY SO WE CAN SEE.

YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO DO THESE THINGS.

WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT IT. NO ONE IS PUTTING PRESSURE.

WE WANT GOOD RESULTS BUT TELL US WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN SO WE CAN SHARE WITH THE WORLD. I'VE GOTTEN ONE ITEM I CAN SPEAK OF THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO REPEAT, THAT BY MAY, YOU

[K11. Discussion and possible action to establish an operating budget for the Combined Emergency Communications Center (CECC) department and amend the budget accordingly. SHELL/ROBINSON]

SO WONDERFUL. THANK YOU GUYS.

ALBERT, NICE TO SEE YOU, SIR. YOU GUYS HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY.

>> OKAY, YOU HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM?

K 11 PLEASE. >> K 11, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO ESTABLISH AN OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE COMBINED EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER DEPARTMENT AND AMEND THE BUDGET ACCORDINGLY.

>> SO MOVED. >> THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IS AWESOME BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE RUDE, BUT OVERDUE.

>> THANKS, JUDGE. IN FRONT OF US IS STEPHANIE ROBINSON, THE NEW DIRECTOR OF COMBINED EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER. COMMISSIONER INGLESBE AND I SAT ON TOP OF THAT THAT OVER THE TIME IT IS TAKEN WE HAVE FOUND A GREAT CANDIDATE WHO IS VERY FAMILIAR NOT WITH JUST THE SYSTEM THAT WE OPERATE BUT ALSO THE AGENCIES THAT RELY ON OUR SYSTEM TO PROVIDE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TO OUR SYSTEM.

SO WE ARE PUTTING TOGETHER THE BUDGET SO THIS IS OUR FIRST SHOT AT THIS. MR. ORR SET HAS PUT TOGETHER WHAT WE BELIEVE WILL GET US ON THE RIGHT FOOT. WE WILL CONTINUE TO PLAN FOR THE GROWTH OF THIS OFFICE BUT FOR NOW I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD STARTING POINT.

WE HAVE BASIC EXPENSES TO PUT TOGETHER TO GET MISS ROBINSON

STARTED. >> AND JUDGE, I JUST WANT TO THANK STEPHANIE BECAUSE I KNOW SHE IS BEEN THERE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING NOT JUST IN THIS POSITION BUT REALLY LEARNING THE SYSTEM AND HOW IT WORKS AND I KNOW SHE HAS DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB AND YOU KNOW, MANY PEOPLE SAY HOW SHE KNOWS IT ALL.

I KNOW THERE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING TO LEARN BUT THANKS, STEPHANIE. LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH

YOU. >> I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO SERVE IN THE COUNTY AND WORK WITH PARTNER AGENCIES ACROSS THE COUNTY AND I'M SURE WE ARE COMING BACK NEXT CYCLE WITH ALL THE CHANGES. SO, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SHELBY, ANYTHING

TO PRESENT? >> KNOW.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT. JUDGE, WE HAVE THE BUDGET AND BACKUP FOR THE OFFICE THAT WE NEED TO APPROVE.

>> OH, THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT.

YOU WANT TO GO OVER IT? ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO GO

OVER? >> NO, JUST THAT BUDGET WILL OPERATE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS FISCAL YEAR THAN ANY CHANGES WE COME UP WITH, WE WILL WORK ON THROUGH THE BUDGET

PROCESS FOR THIS YEAR. >> COMMISSIONER SHELL

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER SMITH

>> YES >> JUDGE BECERRA

>> YES. >> LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THE

ROSE. >> I ONE, DISCUSSION AND

[I1. Discussion and possible action to authorize the County Judge to execute Contract Amendment No. 4 in the amount of $385,000.00 to the Professional Services Agreement between with BGE, Inc. to provide construction engineering, inspection & testing (CE&I) services as part of the On-Call CE&I contract related to the 2016 Road Bond Program Darden Hill at Sawyer Ranch Roundabout; authorize a discretionary exemption pursuant to Texas Local Government Code Ch. 262.024(a)(4) and amend the budget accordingly. SMITH/BORCHERDING]

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TO PROVIDE CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING, INSPECTION AND TESTING SERVICES AS PART OF THE ON CALL CE AND I CONTRACT RELATED TO THE 2016 ROAD BOND PROGRAM DARDEN HILL AT SAWYER RANCH ROUNDABOUT, AUTHORIZE A DISCRETIONARY EXEMPTION PURSUANT TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 262.024, AND AMEND

THE BUDGET ACCORDINGLY. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU.

THIS IS THE ACTUAL CE AND I ON THE PROJECT WHERE HAPPEN TO HAVE COMPLETE ON THE PROJECT BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS STARTS IN CYPRUS SPRINGS ELEMENTARY AND THE LARGER TRACT WE ANTICIPATE TO EVENTUALLY HOUSE TWO ADDITIONAL CAMPUSES ON ONE

PROPERTY. >> OKAY.

COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER COHEN >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER SHELL >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE >> YES

>> JUDGE BECERRA >> AS.

>> I2. >> I SUBMITTED A FORM.

>> WELL, I WONDER WHERE IT'S AT.

>> I DO, TOO. >> I'LL CHECK.

GO FOR IT. >> PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. >> IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

I KNOW YOU WOULD CHANGE ABOUT ANYWAY BUT ONCE AGAIN WE HAVE GOT ANOTHER CHANGE ORDER HERE, AND THEN I THINK IF THIS IS THE SAME ONE I'M THINKING ABOUT THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, YOU WILL CLAIM THAT YOU DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE WERE SCHOOLS GOING TO BE NEAR THIS ROAD. I KNOW BG AND E HAS MADE CONTRIBUTIONS TO SEVERAL REPUBLICAN COMMISSIONERS AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT IT IS TO INFLUENCE THEIR VOTE.

I DO WISH THAT WHOLE MESS OF PEOPLE IDENTIFIED IN WORKING WITH THESE CORPORATIONS COULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS. NEEDLESS TO SAY I DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO EVEN LOOK AT THE BACKUP BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE OTHER ITEMS THAT I THOUGHT WERE GOING TO GO IN THE REPORT SINCE YOU ALREADY VOTED AND ANYWAY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO ME AND YOU DON'T LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC BUT THANK

[I2. Discussion and possible action to authorize the County Judge to execute a Professional Services Agreement between Hays County and Volkert, Inc. to provide construction, engineering & inspection (CE&I) services on an On-Call basis related to road improvement projects in Hays County. SMITH/BORCHERDING]

YOU VERY MUCH. >> WELL, LUCKILY WE HAVE PROOF THAT THAT'S INACCURATE BUT THANK YOU, SIR.

PLEASE OPEN I2. >> DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE TO EXECUTE A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN HAYES COUNTY AND LOUISVILLE KURT INC. TO PROVIDE CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING AND INSPECTION SERVICES.

>> SO MOVED. JUDGE, THIS JUST ADDS VOLKERT TO THE LIST AVAILABLE FOR THE COUNTY.

[I3. Discussion and possible action to amend a Professional Services Agreement between Hays County and Cobb Fendley & Associates Inc. to add an additional $43,000.00 in Right of Way acquisition services described in Exhibit C related to the proposed improvement of Windy Hill Road from the Kyle City Limits east to FM 2001; authorize a discretionary exemption pursuant to Texas Local Government Code 262.024(a) (4). INGALSBE/COHEN/BORCHERDING]

>> COMMISSIONER COHEN >> COMMISSIONER SHELL

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH >> JUDGE BECERRA.

>> YES. I I3.

>> DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AMEND THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN HAYES COUNTY AND COBB FINDLAY AND ASSOCIATES TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL $43,000 IN RIGHT- OF-WAY ACQUISITION SERVICES DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT C TO OTHER PROPOSED IMPROVEMENT OF WINDY HILL ROAD FROM KYLE CITY LIMITS EAST TO FM 2001, AUTHORIZE A DISCRETIONARY CAN PRESENT EXEMPTION PURSUANT TO TEXAS LEVEL LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE

262.024. >> NO ADDITIONAL RIGHT-OF-WAY SERVICES ON WINDY HILL ROAD? THIS IS IN CONNECTION WITH

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[I4. Discussion and possible action to authorize the County Judge to execute Contract Amendment No. 2 in the amount of $80,000.00 to the Professional Services Agreement between Hays County and BGE, Inc. for the RM 967 project from UPRR to IH-35 in Precinct 4, as part of the 2016 Road Bond Program. This action utilizes a discretionary exemption pursuant to Texas Local Government Code Ch. 262.024(a)(4). SMITH/BORCHERDING]

>> I4. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE TO EXECUTE CONTRACT AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO IN THE AMOUNT OF $80,000 TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN HAYES COUNTY AND BGE FOR THE ARM 967 PROJECT FROM YOU PRR TO IH-35 AND PRING 64 AS PART OF THE 2016 ROAD BOND PROGRAM. THIS ACTION UTILIZES A DISCRETIONARY EXEMPTION PURSUANT TO TEXAS LOCAL

GOVERNMENT CODE 262.024. >> THANK YOU JUDGE.

ONCE AGAIN I CAN'T FIND THIS AND BRING IT BACK UP IN TIME TO REALLY TALK ABOUT IT MUCH MORE THAN IT IS A -- ANOTHER CHANGE ORDER, AND PG&E TO CONTRIBUTE TO SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS.

I'M HAVING A REAL PROBLEM WITH BRINGING UP BACKUP WHEN I AM ON THE COMPUTER AT THE LIBRARY. ABOUT 90% OF THE BACKUPS WON'T, WHEN I TRY TO BRING THEM UP AND I TALKED TO JEFF MAGILL AND HE SAID IT IS BECAUSE IT IS IN THE CLOUD AND YOU KNOW, YOU COULD BE TALKING CHINESE TO IT BECAUSE IT DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S SAYING. I DO LIKE TO PRINT THESE BACKUPS OUT BEFORE HAND SO I ÚW THROUGH MY PHONE HERE AND FIND THEM AND IT IS VERY DIFFICULT ALSO THE WAY YOU ALL GOT THINGS ARRANGED HERE ON THE INTERNET, TO FIND --

>> IS THERE ANYTHING ON THIS AGENDA ITEM TO ADDRESS SIR? OTHERWISE I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONCLUDE.

>> I'M JUST EXPLAINING. I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.

I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME AND THE REASON I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME IS BECAUSE YOU WILL MAKE IT PURPOSELY

DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO FIND. >> SO NOTHING SPECIFIC ABOUT

THIS AGENDA ITEM TO SAY? >> EXCEPT THAT IT IS ANOTHER ONCE AGAIN, ONCE AGAIN IT IS -- WHAT DID I JUST CALL IT? IT'S AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE TO US.

AND AS I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, THEY PUT A BID IN THEN THEY SAY ON THE WE GOT TO DO THIS AND WE GOT TO DO THAT.

WE WEREN'T AWARE OF THIS, WE WEREN'T AWARE OF THAT AND IT JUST ENDS UP COSTING US MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM THE ORIGINAL BID WAS A LOT LOWER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> SURE. >> THIS IS A SUPPLEMENTAL TO COVER ADDITIONAL REVIEWS. WE ANTICIPATE MORE COVER THAN THE ORIGINAL SCOPE OF WORK ALONG WITH UTILITY COORDINATION. AGAIN, WHICH WAS NOT INCLUDED

IN THE ORIGINAL SCOPE OF WORK. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

[I5. Discussion and possible action to consider the release of the subdivision performance bonds #7901063583 in the amount of $372,201.25 for Phase 4, and #7901063582 in the amount of $863,725.25 for Phase 5 of the Trails at Windy Hill subdivision. INGALSBE/BORCHERDING]

>> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES.

>> FIVE. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> AS.

>> COMMISSIONER SHELL. >> YES.

>> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES.

I5 DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO CONSIDER THE RELEASES SUBDIVISION PERFORMANCE BONDS NUMBER 790-106-5383 IN THE AMOUNT OF SAID $372,201.25 FOR 54 AND NUMBER 790-106-3582 IN THE AMOUNT OF $863,725.25 FOR PHASE FIVE OF THE TRAILS THAT

[I6. Discussion and possible actIon to accept fiscal surety for the construction of roadway and drainage improvements in the amount of $69,260.00 (Letter of Credit No. 20234029). SHELL/BORCHERDING]

WINDY HILL SUBDIVISION. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

>> COMMISSIONER SHELL. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES.

>> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES.

>> I SIX DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO ACCEPT PHYSICAL SURETY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AMOUNT OF $69,260 LETTER OF

CREDIT NUMBER 20234029. >> SO MOVED.

>> COMMISSIONER: >> COMMISSIONER SHALL

>> COMMISSIONER INGLESBY >> COMMISSIONER SHALL

[Items G1 - G9 ]

>> JUDGE BECERRA. >> YES.

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>> G1 THROUGH NINE. G1 APPROVED PAYMENTS OF COUNTY INVOICES. SHE LEFT TWO, APPROVE PAYMENT OF UNITED HEALTHCARE CLAIMS. G LETTER THREE RATIFY THE PAYMENT OF FEBRUARY 15TH 2023 PAYROLL DISBURSEMENTS OF GROSS WAGES $2,351,736.33, WITHHOLDINGS AND DEDUCTIONS $660,349, BENEFIT $706,492.02. PAYROLL TOTALS WILL BE POSTED ON THE HAYES COUNTY WEBSITE. G FOR RATIFY THE PAYMENT OF FEBRUARY 28, 2023 PAYROLL DISBURSEMENTS AS FOLLOWS.

GROSS WAGES 3 MILLION, $133,877.96.

WITHHOLDINGS AND DISTRACTIONS, $903,800.70.

BENEFITS $880,771.53. PAYROLL TOTALS WILL BE POSTED ON THE HAYES COUNTY WEBSITE. G5 APPROVE THE PAYMENT OF A MARCH 15TH 2023 PAYROLL DISBURSEMENTS IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $3,900,000 EFFECTIVE MARCH 15TH, 2023 AND POST TOTALS FOR WAGES, WITHHOLDINGS, DISTRACTIONS, AND BENEFITS ON THE HAYES COUNTY WEBSITE ONCE FINALIZED.

G6 APPROVE COMMISSIONERS COURT MINUTES OF EVERY 10TH, 2023 AND FEBRUARY 14TH, 2023. G7, APPROVE THE CANCELLATION OF THE HAYES COMMISSION ESCORTS ON THE FOLLOWING DATES IN 2023.

JULY 18TH, AUGUST 29TH, SEPTEMBER 26, OCTOBER 3RD, 17 AND 31, NOVEMBER 14 AND 28, AND DECEMBER 12.

G8, AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE TO EXECUTE THE ANNUAL RENEWAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN HAYES COUNTY BUILDING MAINTENANCE AND JOHNSON CONTROLS OF THE AMOUNT OF $10,900 FOR THE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS OF THE COUNTY'S REMOTE ACCESS THERMOSTAT SYSTEM. G9, AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE TO SIGN A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A NO

PARKING ZONE ON RM 12. >> MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER SHELL

[Items G10 - G13]

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER SMITH

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER COHEN

>> YES >> JUDGE BECERRA

>> YES. WE HAVE ALREADY DONE 10, SO

PLEASE CALL 15. >> I DON'T THINK WE VOTED ON 10.

>> G 10, AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN BUILDING MAINTENANCE AND FLARE DATA SYSTEMS FOR THE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR SERVICES OF THE UNINTERRUPTIBLE POWER SUPPLY DEVICES LOCATED THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING. G 11 EXCEPT THE 2022 RACIAL PROFILING REPORT IN 2020 DO ANNUAL ACTIVITY REPORT FROM HAYES COUNTY CONSTABLE OFFICE. G 12 AUTHORIZE THE EMPLOYMENT ENROLLMENT AND REQUIREMENT OF ALL HAYES COUNTY EMPLOYEES AND ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO HAVE ACCESS TO A LOCAL GOVERNMENT COMPUTER SYSTEM OR DATABASE TO COMPLETE CYBERSECURITY TRAINING PROGRAM CERTIFIED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF INFORMATION RESOURCES ANNUALLY. G 13 AUTHORIZE COUNTY JUDGE TO EXECUTE A RENEWAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH SMITH DETECTION IN THE AMOUNT OF $9386 FOR GENERAL MAINTENANCE, INSPECTIONS AND REPAIRS OF THE INDUSTRIAL X-RAY SECURITY SCANNERS LOCATED AT THE HAYES COUNTY GOVERNMENT CENTER, AND AUTHORIZE A DISCRETIONARY EXEMPTION PURSUANT TO TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 262.0 24A7D.

>> MOVED >> SEVEN.

>> PLEASE CALL THE ROLE. >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER SMITH

[G14. Authorize the Office of Emergency Services to transfer funds to continuing education in the Fire Marshal Fee Code Fund and amend the budget accordingly. BECERRA/MIKE JONES]

>> AS YES >> COMMISSIONER COHEN >> YES

>> JUDGE BECERRA >> YES AND WE HAVE ALREADY DONE

15 AND 16 SO LET'S DO 14. >> ENERGY 14, AUTHORIZE THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY SERVICES TO TRANSFER FUNDS TO CONTINUE EDUCATION IN THE FIRE MARSHAL FEE CODE FUND AND AMEND THE

BUDGET ACCORDINGLY. >> SO MOVED

>> SECOND >> CALL THE ROLE.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER COHEN >> YES

[Items G16 - G22]

>> JUDGE BECERRA >> YES AND NOW WE HAVE --

>> I DON'T THINK 16. >> OKAY SO LET'S DO 16 THROUGH 21. 15 THROUGH 22 PLEASE.

G 16. RATIFY THE EXECUTION OF A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT BETWEEN HAYES COUNTY AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA DEPARTMENT OF LABOR REGARDING THE RELOCATION OF UTILITY EASEMENTS ON THE GARY JOB CORPS CENTER PROPERTY FOR THE FM 110

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G 18, APPROVE UTILITY PERMITS. G 19, AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF AN EXTENSION TO RSP 2016-P06 BANK DEPOSITORY WITH SAGE BANK CAPITAL BANK FOR A PERIOD NOT TO EXCEED 91 DAYS FOR $5000 MONTHLY PLUS AN ADDITIONAL LETTER OF CREDIT FEES AND AUTHORIZE A DISCRETIONARY EXEMPTION PURSUANT TO TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 262.0 24A4. G 20 AUTHORIZE THE SUBMISSION OF A GRANT APPLICATION TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE STATE CRIMINAL AILEEN ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

ENERGY 21, G 22. APPROVE RENEWAL OF IFB 2022-BE 04 CEMETERY MAINTENANCE WITH KIA LANDSCAPING SERVICES WITH

THE PROPOSED 22% PRICE INCREASE. >> SO MOVED

>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE.

SARAH, I LOOKED AT THE BACKUP ON THIS ONE AND THERE IS A LETTER TO THE SECRETARY OF KIA LANDSCAPING SERVICES, THE COMMISSIONERS COURT THEN THERE IS ALSO A TABLE WITH ALL THE CEMETERIES THAT KIA LANDSCAPING SERVICES TAKES CARE OF AND ON EVERY ONE OF THEM THEY HAVE RAISED THE PRICE.

THERE IS NO EXPLANATION OF WHY THEY ARE RAISING THE PRICE 22%.

THERE IS NO REASON WHY THEY ARE RAISING THE PRICE 22% AND THAT IS JUST GROSS NEGLIGENCE. , FOR YOU NOT ALL ASKING WHY.

AND IF THEY SENT YOU A LETTER IT SHOULD BE ON THE BACKUP BUT IT'S NOT OF COURSE SO ANYWAY WHY DON'T WE PUT THIS CONTRACT UP FOR BIDS? WITH A 22% DIFFERENCE THERE MIGHT BE OTHER LANDSCAPING SERVICES THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS CONTRACT AND AGAIN YOU'VE BEEN NEGLIGENT IN YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK FOR THE LOWEST AT HER.

[Items G23 - G31]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

>> COMMISSIONER COHEN >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER SHELL >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH >> YES

>> JUDGE BECERRA >> YES.

THE REMAINDER OF THE ITEMS. G 23, EXCEPT THREE PROPOSALS FROM BECKWITH ELECTRONIC SYSTEMS LLC FOR COURTROOM 7 IN THE AMOUNT OF $3112, COURTROOM 9 $19,189 AND COURTROOM 10, $27,909. AUTHORIZE A DISCRETIONARY EXEMPTION PURSUANT TO TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 262.024 9 $19,189 AND COURTROOM 10, $27,909.

AUTHORIZE A DISCRETIONARY EXEMPTION PURSUANT TO TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 262.0 24A 7 D, G 24.

EXCEPT THE 2022 RACIAL PROFILING REPORT FOR THE HAYES COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. G 25 APPROVE STATE OUT-OF-STATE TRAVEL USING SHERIFF DRUG FORFEITURE FUNDS TO SEND SHERIFF CARTER, SERGEANT RYAN HAYDEN, SERGEANT MARK OPLL, CORPORAL DAVID MARSHALL, CORPORAL DAVID MADDOX, DETECTIVE ERIC, DETECTIVE BRIAN AND DEPUTY ANTHONY TO NATIONAL POLICE WEEK ON MAY 11 THROUGH 16, 2023 IN WASHINGTON, D.C.

AND AMEND THE BUDGET ACCORDINGLY.

G 26, AUTHORIZE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO ACCEPT A DONATION OF $500 FROM THE WIMBERLEY VFW POST 6441 AND AMEND THE BUDGET ACCORDINGLY. G 27 APPROVED THE APPOINTMENT OF COMMISSIONER MICHELLE COHEN AND RECONFIRM THE APPOINTMENT OF COMMISSIONER INGALSBE TO THE CITY OF KYLE TAX REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER TWO BOARD. G 27 AUTHORIZE THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT TO PURCHASE EIGHT POST MOUNTED

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G 30, APPROVE THE APPOINTMENT OF JUDGE CHRIS JOHNSON COUNTY COURT AT LAW NUMBER TWO AS COUNTY COURT AT LAW REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE HAYES COUNTY BAIL BOND BOARD COMMITTEE AND G 31, AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE TO EXECUTE AN ALARM SYSTEM MONITORING AGREEMENT AND THE PROPOSAL WAS SECURITY ONE INC. RELATED TO THE ADDITION OF SECURITY CAMERAS AND EQUIPMENT TO THE PRISSY THEORY BUILDING.

>> SO MOVED >> SECOND.

>> THANK YOU JUDGE. ON AGENDA ITEM 25, STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS WILL BE ABSENT FROM HAYES COUNTY.

WE WILL BE PAYING THEIR SALARIES PLUS $1500 PER OFFICER . THE DRUG FORFEITURE MONEY IS AS MUCH THE COUNTY'S MONEY AS THAT WHICH IS FORCIBLY EXTRACTED FROM THE CITIZENS OF HAYES COUNTY AND THAT WILL AMOUNT TO $12,000.

WHY DO WE NEED EIGHT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS TO GO TO WASHINGTON? 12 SUFFICE AND ALSO , CAN WE AFFORD TO HAVE EIGHT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS ABSENT FROM HAYES COUNTY FOR THIS AMOUNT OF TIME? I THOUGHT WE HAD A SHORTAGE OF LAW OFFICERS IN THIS COUNTY, AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT I'M TOLD EVERY TIME I TURN AROUND. THIS IS NOT JUSTIFIABLE.

ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE JUST THROWING MONEY AWAY.

YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE THEM TO SIGN AN AGREEMENT THAT SAYS THAT THEY WILL DRINK NO ALCOHOL IN THE ENTIRE TIME THEY'RE UP THERE IN WASHINGTON, D.C. BUT I BET YOU WILL GET THEM TO DO THAT BUT THAT'S JUST MY WHAT I BELIEVE.

WE OUGHT TO TRY IT. MAYBE THEY WILL.

>> WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO FIND OUT?

>> WELL, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

>> WERE GOING TO SPEND MONEY TO TEST THEM?

>> BUT HOPEFULLY, ONE OF THE EIGHT WILL TALK.

YOU KNOW, IN VINO VERITAS. ALL RIGHT, 29.

AUTHORIZE THE JAIL TO USE EXISTING FUNDS.

ALL RIGHT, LET ME SEE IF I CAN BRING THIS UP.

THE SYSTEM WAS INITIALLY INSTALLED DURING THE BUILDING PROCESS. IT IS CURRENTLY FALLING APART AND SAGGING. REPAIRS ARE NEEDED TO THE SECTION OF THE THERMO DUCT ON THE ROOF.

REPAIRS WILL INCLUDE BUILDING ADDITIONAL SUPPORTS AND RESEALING FOR ALL 12 LOCATIONS THAT HAVE STARTED TO SEPARATE DUE TO THE WEIGHT OF THE OUTSIDE AIR INTAKE.

THE SELECTED VENDOR CURRENTLY HOLDS RFP 2022 HVAC MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR SERVICE CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY.

TOTAL COST TO COMPLETE REPAIRS THE $25,596 IN FUNDING IS AVAILABLE IN THE JAILS BUILDING MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR GENERAL LEDGER. ALL RIGHT.

THIS BEGS THE QUESTION. THIS JAIL IS NOT VERY OLD.

DID WE NOT GET SOME SORT OF GUARANTEE ON THE WORK THAT THE ORIGINAL CONTRACTORS DID? WHY DO WE HAVE TO PAY MORE MONEY TO FIX SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE LASTED QUITE LONGER THAN IT HAS PLUS IT SAYS WE ARE GOING TO PAY TO PUT IN ADDITIONAL SUPPORTS FOR THIS THERMO DUCT. THAT MEANS THE ENGINEERING WAS BAD IN THE FIRST PLACE, SO CAN'T WE HOLD ANYONE LIABLE FOR THIS NOW? WE ARE HAVING TO PAY AN EXTRA $25,000 FOR WORK THAT WAS POORLY DESIGNED AND POORLY DONE.

>> IN QUESTION. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER COHEN. >> I TOOK A TOUR OF THE JAIL LAST WEEK AND THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME ISSUES WITH THE JAIL AS FAR AS REPAIRS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.

WHILE I DID SPONSOR THIS ITEM, THAT QUESTION DID COME TO MIND.

IT WAS NOT A NEW JAIL. DO WE HAVE SOME KIND OF WARRANTY OR SOMETHING? I HAVE TAKEN THE TORSO I HAVE SEEN THE AREAS THAT NEED WORK AND THERMO DUCT WORK IS EXPENSIVE. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHY IT FAILED.

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>> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT OR MR. KENNEDY OR COMMISSIONER SHELL, WHY THIS NEW FACILITY

WOULD HAVE THAT REPAIR ALREADY? >> LET'S TABLE IT TILL WE GET A

COMPLETE STORY THEN. >> BEFORE YOU ALL VOTE ON IT, ITEM 31 WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PULLED.

WE HAD BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH ON SOME LEGAL TERMS AND OF NOT GOTTEN THAT SQUARED AWAY.

>> VERY GOOD. WE ARE GOING TO TABLE 29 AND 31. YES MA'AM, GOOD SAVE.

OTHER THAN THAT -- OKAY GOOD. PLEASE CALL THE ROLE FOR --

[K6. Discussion and possible action to commit $2,500.00 to the Hays Consolidated Independent School District related to transformers needed to add street lighting on FM 150 near Simon Middle School and Hemphill Elementary School and amend the budget accordingly. INGALSBE]

>> COMMISSIONER SHELL >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER COHEN >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH >> YES

>> JUDGE BECERRA >> YES PLEASE OPEN K-6.

>> DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO COMMIT $205,000 TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT RELATED TO TRANSFORMERS NEEDED TO ADD STREETLIGHTING NEAR SIMON MIDDLE SCHOOL AND AMEND THE

BUDGET ACCORDINGLY. >> WELL DONE, WELL WRITTEN.

[K7. Discussion and possible action to approve Amendment #2 to the Texas General Land Office (GLO) CDBG-MIT Grant Administration Contract with Langford Community Management Services, Inc. related to updating the County's Hazard Mitigation Plan. BECERRA/T.CRUMLEY]

>> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE >> COMMISSIONER SMITH

>> COMMISSIONER COHEN >> COMMISSIONER SHELL

>> JUDGE BECERRA YES K7. >> DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO IMPROVE AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO TO THE TEXAS GENERAL LAND OFFICE CDBG-M.I.T. GRANT ADMINISTRATION CONTRACT WITH LANGFORD COMMUNITY MANAGEMENT SERVICES RELATED TO UPDATING THE COUNTY'S HAZARD IN THIS MITIGATION PLAN.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH >> COMMISSIONER COHEN

[K9. Discussion and possible action to adopt a resolution, to support the passage of legislation, including an amendment to the Constitution of the State of Texas that would prohibit the imposition of unfunded mandates on Texas Counties. INGALSBE]

>> COMMISSIONER SHELL >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE >>

TRANCE SIX. >> YES.

K9. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION TO SUPPORT THE PASSAGE OF LEGISLATION INCLUDING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THE IMPOSITION OF UNFUNDED MANDATES ON TEXAS COUNTY.

>> SO MOVED >> SECOND.

>> PLEASE CALL THE ROLE. >> COMMISSIONER COHEN

[K12. Discussion and possible action to review and approve a preliminary Hays County budget calendar for Fiscal Year 2024. BECERRA/DORSETT]

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER SHELL

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER SMITH

>> YES >> JUDGE BECERRA

>> YES >> K-12 DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO REVIEW AND APPROVE HAYES COUNTY BUDGET CALENDAR

FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

THE BUDGET CALENDAR IS PRESENTED IN THE BACKUP.

IT IS PREPARED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMET CODE CHAPTER 111 TO PURSUE THE BUDGET PROCESS TAKING ON JUST A COUPLE OF LINKS EARLY BUT PRETTY MUCH FOLLOWING THE SAME TIME WE TYPICALLY DO, JUST POINTING OUT THAT WE DO HAVE THE BUDGET WORKSHOP SCHEDULED IN AUGUST AS WELL AS THE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND A TENTATIVE PUBLIC HEARING ON TAX RATE

INCREASE SHOULD WE NEED IT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[K13. Discussion and possible action to authorize the Commissioner Pct. 2 Office to submit Community Project Funding requests to the House Appropriations Committee through Congressman Greg Casar, 35th District of Texas. COHEN]

PLEASE CALL THE ROLE. >> COMMISSIONER SHELL

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER SMITH

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER COHEN

>> YES >> JUDGE BECERRA

>> YES K 13 PLEASE. >> DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE THE COMMISSIONER PRECINCT TO OFFICE TO SUBMIT COMMUNITY PROJECT FUNDING REQUEST TO THE HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE THROUGH CONGRESSMAN GREG KASSER, 35TH

DISTRICT OF TEXAS. >> SO MOVED