[21.Approve commercial advertising at the Philanthropic Concert event, proposed to be held on the Courthouse Grounds on or about November 20, 2021 by Delta Sigma Pi fraternity, for sponsors of the event, which is a benefit for the Hays County Food Bank. BECERRA]

[32.Hold a Public Hearing related to the redistricting of justice of the peace (and constable) and commissioners precincts within Hays County, Texas. Possible action may follow, including actions to Adopt Orders for Redistricting Criteria and a Redistricting Plan. BECERRA (Part 1 of 2)]

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LINES, ET CETERA, HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR PHYSICAL

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BOUNDARIES OR LINES. THAT WOULD REALLY BE A MESS IF

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THEY DID. HAYS HAS SCHOOL KIDS IN

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THE MIDDLE OF SAN MARCOS. IT'S NOT POLITICAL OR OTHER

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MOVING AROUND. HERE AN EXAMPLE.

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I USED TO HAVE -- UP TO THE 21 AND VISTA ENTRY.

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20 YEARS AGO WHEN VOTING DISTRICTS WERE MOVED AROUND,

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MADE PERFECT SENSE TO PUT THEM IN PRECINCT 5 TO CONVENIENCE.

SO BESIDES WITH THE SAN MARCOS OF, WITH THEIR OWN DISPATCH SYSTEM, WHICH SHOULD ALL BE IN J.P.1 FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY OF THEIR CITIZENS, CORRECT RESPONSE PEOPLE AND ENCOMPASSING THE CITY LIMITS, NOTHING ELSE REALLY MATTERS.

I ENCOMPASS THE CITY OF KYLE THAT HAS THEIR OWN DISPATCH AND IT WORKS. THAT MAY GET CONFUSING FOR THEM, IF THEY WERE SPLIT. ALL SHOULD BE FINE.

CONSIDERING THAT ALL OF THE HAYS SCHOOLS HAVE S.R.O.S THEY CAN FILE WHEREVER THEY WANT. CONVENIENCE OF LOCATION TO OUR PHYSICAL OFFICES FOR THE CONSTITUENTS TO FILE EVICTIONS.

THE REST IS NOT WHO HAS WHAT IN THEIR PRECINCT.

I HAVE NO EVICTIONS IN B.V. AND MAYBE FIVE IN 23 YEARS IN CHAMPIONS CROSSING. I UNDERSTAND THAT JUDGE MORENO HAS HAD SEVERAL REQUESTS I WAS UNAWARE OF.

AND I HAVE DONE THEM WHEN CALLED.

AGAIN IT IS VERY CONFUSING FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES.

ANYWAY, PLEASE JUST LET US CARRY ON AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER J.P.S. SO I HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE OTHER J.P.S. WE WILL TIME EACH OF THOSE.

FROM JUDGE ANDREW CABLE. THANKS, JUDGE SMITH, SOMEWHAT COLLECTIVELY OR AT LEAST THE CONTIGUUS PRECINCTS SMOKE WITH EACH OTHER. I'M NOT URGING ANY CHANGES TO JUSTICE OF THE PEACE OR CONSTABLE PRECINCTS WHO HAVE NOT BEEN URGED BY OUR VERY OWN PRECINCTS.

YES, I WOULD URNING CHANGING FOR HEALTH OR SAFETY REASONS.

AND THE NEXT IS FROM JOHN BURNS, WHO WRITES, I AGREE WITH JUDGES SMITH AND CABLE. I'M FINE WITH THE PRECINCTS AS THEY ARE NOW. I UNDERSTAND THAT J.P. PRECINCT 4 IS ALMOST PERFECT. NO NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES FROM THAT PERSPECIVE. GEOGRAPHICALLY IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME TO MAKE JUDGE CABLE OR JUDGE DOYLE DRIVE 45 TO 60 MINUTES TO GET TO AN AREA CURRENTLY IN MY PRECINCT, THAT I CAN GET TO IN 20 MINUTES OR LESS.

TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE IS NO PART OF PRECINCT 4 THAT'S CLOSER TO THE RESIDENTS OR THE OFFICE OF ANOTHER J.P.

THAN IT IS TO ME, EXCEPT FOR THE TINY PIECE OF UNPOPULATED CORNER ON 150 AND 3237, THAT JUDGE SMITH REFERRED TO HER IN HER MAIL. ASSUMING SHE MANIES MEANS THE AREA AROUND MAD ROOSTERS NOT HAYS CITY STORE.

I'VE HAD ONE INQUEST ON THE EAST SIDE OF 150 SOUTH OF DRIFTWOOD IN THREE YEARS. I'M NOT AWARE OF CANS TO BE MOVED TO ANOTHER PRECINCT FOR SPEED OF SERVICE.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO MY TWO CENTS WORTH.

THEN LUCINDA DOYLE OF PRECINCT 15 WRITES, I ALSO AGREE WITH THE JUDGES. THANKS.

AND THERE'S ANOTHER MESSAGE FROM BETH THAT SAYS I'M ONBOARD AS WELL AND LEAVING THE PRECINCTS AS THEY ARE NOW.

I'M SORRY. THAT'S FROM JUDGE PRAD.

JUDGE MORENO IS ON BOARD WITH THE BELONGO VISTA CHANGES.

>> WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S THE END OF YOUR WRITTEN

COMMENTS? >> YES, IT IS.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

WONDERFUL JOB READING IT ALL PIP REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT.

THAT IS AWESOME. THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO DO IS OPEN WITH ONE OF THE COMMENTS I HEARD WAS ABOUT THE LAST 111TH HOUR HAVING THESE PUT IN. MR. KENNEDY, CAN YOU TELL US WHO PUT THOSE MAPS FORWARD, SO WE CAN PROPERLY ADDRESS THEM?

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>> YEAH. I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER SHELL SUBMITTED THOSE MAPS TO STEVE FLOYD LAST WEEK FOR HIM, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON THEM USING SOFTWARE, USING THE SHAPE FILE.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. >> OKAY.

COMMISSIONER SHELL, YOUR NAME WAS BROUGHT UP.

I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND.

>> SURE. OBVIOUSY THE TIMING IS NOT IDEAL. AND THIS TIMELINE HAS BEEN SEVERELY COMPRESSED. MY INTENT WAS NOT TO DO WHAT EVERYBODY IS ASSUMING IS. I PROBABLY CAN'T CHANGE THEIR MIND. THAT'S THE HONEST TRUTH.

I'M THE ONLY PERSON IN THE COURT, BESIDES COMMISSIONER INGALSBE THAT I WORKED ON THE MAPS.

I DEALT -- EITHER OF MY COLLEAGUES DIDN'T KNOW THAT THESE MAPS WERE AVAILABLE UNTIL THEY PROBABLY SAW THEM AND HEARD FROM SOMEONE. I APOLOGIZE FOR YOU ALL DOING THAT. THAT WAS MY INTERPRETATION OF OPEN MEETINGS ACT THAT I WOULD NOT GO AROUND TALKING TO OTHER COURT MEMBERS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I WAS WORKING ON, MORE THAN JUST ONE. SO WHEN THE R.A.C. HAD ITS MEETINGS, I ATTENDED THE WEMBERLY MEETING.

I DO THINK THE PROCESS WENT VERY WELL.

AND I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT EVERYBODY PUT INTO IT AND THE CITIZENS THAT SHOWED UP. DID I TAKE THE COMMENTS AND LOOK AT THEM THROUGH DIFFERENT HEARINGS AND RECEIVED VERBAL, WRITING FROM CONSTITUENTS. I HAD TWO CONCERNS WITH WITH THE MAPS. I COULD HAVE JUST DONE NOTHING AND ACCEPTED THAT THOSE WERE THE ONLY TWO MAPS THAT WE WERE GOING TO CONSIDER. I LIKE TO GET INTO THE MIDDLE OF THINGS. I LIK TO SEE -- UNDERSTAND THINGS FOR MYSELF. AND I'M A DETAIL-ORIENTED PERSON AND A NUMBERS PERSON. SO SO THAT WAS MY NATURE TO GET INTO THE TRUE TECHNICAL ISSUES OF THESE MAPS.

I ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY WE DIDN'T BREAK UP VOTING BOXES SOME OF THEM WERE DRAWN 20 YEARS BEFORE SUBDIVISIONS EVEN EXISTED AND SOME OF THEM THERE'S VOTING BOX LINES THAT GO THROUGH PEOPLE' YARDS. I THOUGHT WHY CAN'T WE LOOK AT IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY AND SEE IF WE CAN GET BETTER MAPS.

MY CONCERN WITH THE MAPS WERE AND WE'VE HEARD FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE. BOTH SPLIT SAN MARCOS AND THE CITY OF KYLE. BOTH CITY LIMITS INTO THREE COMMISSIONER PRECINCTS. BOTH OF THOSE MAPS DID THAT.

I HEARD MANY COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE OUR CITY LIMITS SPLIT UP AMONGST THREE COMMISSIONER PRECINCTS. BUT BECAUSE OF POPULATION, DENSITIES, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. SO THE MAPS THAT I TRIED TO CREATE, FOR MY EXPERIMENT, ALLOWED THE CITY LIMITS OF KYLE AND THE CITY LIMITS OF SAN MARCOS TO ONLY BE SPLIT INTO TWO COMMISSIONER PRECINCTS. SO THE TRUE COMMUNITY OF INTEREST PROCESS, OBVIOUSLY THE NUMBERS WHEN IT COMES TO BREAKDOWNS ABOUT THE POPULAION AND THE ETHNICITY PERCENTAGES, VOTING AGE PERCENTAGES CHANGE, BASED ON CENSUS BLOCK AND SEN BLUES BLOCK -- CENSUS BLOCKS INCLUDE MULTIPLE HOUSEHOLDS, SOME INCLUDE NOT MANY PEOPLE AT ALL.

YOU CHANGE ONE AND MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, CHANGES THE NUMBERS. SO WHAT I FOCUSED ON WAS THE CITY LIMITS OF KYLE AND SAN MARCOS.

TO TRY TO KEEP ONLY TWO COMMISSIONERS REPRESENTING WITHIN THOSE CITY LIMITS. IT TURNS OUT THAT THOSE NUMBERS, BETWEEN PRECINCT 1 AND 2, FOR INSTANCE, SINCE THAT'S A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION, THAT'S SORT OF HOW THEY WORK OUT IS BECAUSE OF THAT PRACTICE OF KEEPING THOSE COMMISSIONER PRECINCT LINES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS. SO, FOR INSTANCE, COMMISSIONER PRECINCT 1 IN MY PROPOSED MAPS DOES NOT GET INTO THE CITY LIMITS OF KYLE. AND THEN IT WHOLLY CONTAINS THE CITY'S NEDERLAND. SO PRECINCT 4, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET RIGHT NOW, COMPLETELY GETS OUT OF THE SAN MARCOS AREA, WHICH I BELIEVE ALL OF THE MAPS PROPOSED.

SO THAT LEAVES PRECINCTS 3 AND 1 AS THE ONLY PRECINCTS THAT GET WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF SAN MARCOS.

WE'VE ALSO HEARD ABOUT THE UNIVERSITY AS A COMMUNITY OF INTEREST AND I MADE THIS POINT THE LAST TIME THE PERCENTAGE OF WHERE STUDENTS LIVE IN THIS COUNTY, I GUESS IT WAS CURRENTLY SOMEWHERE AROUND 40% IN PRECINCT 3, 45% IN PRECINCT 3.

OBVIOUSLY STUDENTS CAN LIVE ANYWHERE AND THEY DO LIVE ANYWHERE. NOT JUST IN HAYS COUNTY.

SO THE GOAL THERE WAS TO TRY TO -- I'M GOING TO GUESS 35%, 40%

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OF THE STUDENTS WHO RESIDE ON THE EAST SIDE OF SAN MARCOS.

ANYONE THAT DRIVES ON 35 AND LOOKS WHERE THE SPRINGS IS AND APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND UP 35. AND THEN ALL OF THE HOUSING THAT'S BEEN BUILT IN THIS SPECIFIC DOWNTOWN AREA, ALL IN PRECINCT 1. WAS TO SEE IF YOU COULD GET THE MAJORITY OF THOSE STUDENTS INTO ONE PRECINCT OR THE OTHER.

THAT COULD PROBABLY BE DONE EITHER FOR PRECINCT 3, BY BRINGING PRECINCT 3 ON THIS SIDE OF THE IS THE OR BY TAKING PRECINCT 1 OVER THERE. SO THAT'S THE EXERCISE THAT WAS DONE WITH THE UNIVERSITY, UNDERSTANDING WE'VE HEARD THAT FOR YEARS. THAT WAS A BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN VOTING BOX LOCATIONS. THE PRECINCT LINE WENT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE STUDENT CENTER.

THAT'S COMPLETELY ELIMINATE AND REALLY ONE COMMISSIONER PRECINCT THAT HAS THE MAJORITY OF THE -- ALL OF THE CAMPUS ITSELF, THE MAJORITY OF THE ADJACENT PLATFORMS STUDENT HOUSING AND THEN THE STUDENT HOUSING THAT'S CURRENT LAY LONG 35.

THOSE -- ALONG 35. THOSE WERE THE REASONS FOR THE CHANGE. AGAIN THERE WAS NO -- I WASN'T SITTING HERE SAYING I'M GOING TO WAIT UNTIL THE LAST-MINUTE.

I LET THE R.A.C. DO WHAT THEY DID.

I STAYED OUT OF IT. I TOOK THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

I LOOKED AT THEM. I ANALYZED THEM ON THAT TUESDAY WHILE PEOPLE WERE TALKING. I BROUGHT IN TWO OF THOSE ISSUES CAME UP TO ME. AND I DECIDED TO SEE WHAT COULD I DO ABOUT THAT. THE ONLY WAY THAT I CAN.

IT WAS HARD TO GET THEM DONE IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME.

I WILL SAY THAT. I WANTED THEM IN BACKUP.

I'M SORRY THAT IT WAS YOUR ITEM, JUDGE.

I THOUGHT THAT IT HAD TO BE PUT IN BACKUP AND PUT ON THE WEBSITE AND EMAILED OUT PRETTY MUCH THE C.C.1 WAS AN INITIAL EXERCISE, SINCE THE MAP WAS CREATED. I FELT IT SHOULD BE PUT IN.

BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT SOMEONE TO SAY, OH, HE CREATED A MAP AND DIDN'T SHOW ANYBODY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SINCE IT WAS CREATED, THE NUMBERS I DIDN'T LIKE, BUT I LEFT IT BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN CREATED.

C.C.2 WAS MY ATTEMPT TO IMPROVE ON THOSE NUMBERS AND GET THE DEVIATION DOWN TO AROUND 5%, WHICH IS CLOSE.

AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT MINORITY PERCENTAGES AND VOTING AGE MINORITY PERCENTAGES, ESPECIALLY IN PRECINCTS 1 AND 2.

I HAVE HEARD COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S -- THE PRECINCT 2 MINORITY POPULATION OR VOTING AGE WAS REDUCED. IT'S INCREASED FROM WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW. AND I TRIED.

I WANTED IT TO RESULT IN A 50% PLUS VOTING AGE HISPANIC IN PRECINCT 2. BUT IF YOU DON'T CROSS THOSE CITY LIMIT SIGNS, THOSE CITY LIMIT LINES, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

IT'S PROBABLY NOT THAT FAR OFF. IT IS A HISPANIC MAJORITY BY POPULATION PRECINCT. IT JUST DOES NOT REACH THE VOTING AGE PRECINCT. SINCE PRECINCT 1 CURRENTLY ABOVE 50% VOTING AGE HISPANIC, I FELT THAT THAT WAS OKAY FOR IT TO REMAIN ABOVE 50%. I DIDN'T LIKE TRY TO MAKE IT REALLY HIGH OR ANYTHING. IT WAS JUST KIND OF AGAIN WHERE IT FELL BECAUSE OF CITY LIMITS. THERE WAS NO ACCIDENT TO -- I'VE HEARD PACK OR DILUTE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT PACKING IS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE IT TURNS INTO PACKING OR HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU TURN OFF AND IT TURNS TO DILUTING.

I THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY. THE CITIZEN VOTING AGE HAS NOW THE BEEN BROUGHT UP. I DID LOOK AT SOME OF THE VOTING AGE. I READ ABOUT THE CITIZEN VOTING AGE. IT'S A DIFFERENT -- IT'S A DIFFERENT PROCESS THAN THE CENSUS.

IT'S DONE EVERY FIVE YEARS. AND IT'S AN NOT EVERY YEAR, BUT AN AVERAGE OF EVERY FIVE YEARS. SO THIS YEAR HAS NOT BEEN DONE YET. I THINK IT'S COMING OUT IN DECEMBER. I LOOKED AT A COUPLE YEARS IN THE PAST. AND THEY SWING WIDE.

THAT CVAP. THEY'RE ONLY PICKING A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF AREAS TO SAMPLE FROM.

IN FACT, THE PENNACEOUS BRZEZINSKI HAS PUT TOGETHER A WHOLE TASK FORCE TO LOOK AT HOW TO MAKE THE CITIZEN VOTING AGE NUMBERS MORE ACCURATE, INSTEAD OF JUST USING THE SURVEY AND ALSO INCLUDE OTHER DATA AND INFORMATION THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO TRY TO MAKE IT AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE.

BECAUSE THERE IS A NATURALLY -- WHEN IT'S A SAMPLE, A SMALL SAMPLE AND IT'S AVERAGING FIVE YEARS, IT'S NOT EXACT.

THEY'RE TRYING TO GET IT TO TRACK AS POSSIBLE AND BE AVAILABLE BY CENSUS BLOCKS. THE NUMBERS I HAVE PRESENTED AGAIN, I'M NOT THE STATISTICIAN. ASSUMING WHAT IT IS, THEY'RE VERY CLOSE. CITIZEN VOTING AGE POPULATIONS

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ON A C.C.2 ARE I THINK ALMOST IDENTICAL AT THE 45%.

THERE WAS NOT AN INTENT TO REDUCE ONE AT THE EXPENSE OF THE OTHER OR ANYTHING ELSE. IT IS JUST WHAT THE NUMBERS CAME OUT TO BY TRYING TO FOLLOW THOSE COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST AND ALSO PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT THOSE WERE.

SO THAT'S -- THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

>> OKAY. GOOD.

WHAT I WANT TO DO, ONE LITTLE COMMENT ON WHAT YOU SAID AND I'LL PASS IT TO COMMISSIONER SMITH TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.

ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, BECAUSE YOU CONVEYED THAT UNCERTAINTY ON PACKING OR DILUTING.

I WOULD SAY MY INTERPRETATION, SO WE COULD ALL BE ON THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS OR AT LEAST UNDERSTAND HOW WE EACH FEEL ABOUT THOSE TWO DESCRIPTORS PACKING AND DILUTING.

AS IT WAS STATED, I THINK IT WAS DR. TRAYHAM THAT SAID YOU COULD ACTUALLY DIP BELOW THE -- THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MR. AMBASSADOR IS HERE. MR. BASS IS WHO THE COURT HIRED TO GUIDE OUR PROCESS, JUST FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC.

ANYWAY. SO BACK TO PACKING AND DILUTING VOTERS. IT WAS SAID, AND AGAIN I THINK IT WAS DR. TRAYHAM THAT SAID EVEN IF YOU FELL BELOW THE IDEAL PERCENTAGE THRESHOLD IN PRECINCT 1, THAT YOU COULD STILL RENDER THE SAME RESULTS OUT OF PRECINCT 1, BECAUSE OF A HISTORICAL DECADES-LONG TREND AND REPRESENTATION.

AND THE POPULATION. AND SO TO GO EVEN HIGHER WITH THAT PERCENTAGE IN PRECINCT 1, IN MY OPINION, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE DOING, COMMISSIONER.

BUT IN MY OPINION IT IS ABSOLUTELY THE DEFINITION OF PACKING THOSE TYPES OF VOTERS INTO THAT BOX, WHEN YOU -- LIKE FILLING THE GLASS. WAY MORE THAN IS NECESSARY.

AND IN TURN FOR THOSE -- BECAUSE THIS IS CONFUSING AND GET IT.

DILUTING THE VOTE -- WELL, IF I HOPE FOR A PROPOSITION, NO MATTER WHAT MY ADDRESS IS, IT'S GOING TO COUNT.

YES, IT WILL. WE COUNT YOUR VOTES.

BUT REPRESENTATION IN THIS COURT IS WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED IN DILUTING YOUR VOTE. BECAUSE THE IDEA IS, AND YOU GUYS CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

THE IDEA IS THAT WE'LL PUT MORE PEOPLE -- PEEL JUST USE COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN PRIVILEGED TO SERVE IN THAT PRECINCT FOR AS LONG AS YOU HAVE.

COMMISSIONER INGALSBE HAS BEEN ELECTED INTO A THAT SPOT AND HAVING MORE PEOPLE VOTING FOR COMMISSIONER INGALSBE IS ALMOST A MOOT POINT. IT'S LIKE WE ALREADY HAVE THE NECESSARY REPRESENTATION AND ADDING MORE PEOPLE TO HELP HONE IN WHO IS GOING TO SIT IN THAT SEAT AND NOT THE CURRENT REPRESENTATION IS WHERE THE DILUTION OF VOTE, IN MY UNDERSTANDING, COMES TO MIND. DOES THAT SEEM TO BE USEFUL IN

ANY KIND OF WAY? >> I MEAN AGAIN I DON'T KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.

WHAT YOU COULD GO BELOW OR WHAT YOU SHOULD MAINTAIN AT.

I'M SURE 30S AN EXERCISE. >> DO I MIND IF I CALL MR. BASS UP TO THE PODIUM, JUST A SECOND. MR. BASS, WOULD YOU MIND EXPLAINING TO US WHAT COMMISSIONER SHELL HAS JUST BROUGHT UP. SINCE YOU ARE THE HIGHERED HAND OF HAYS COUNTY ON THIS FRONT, I WANTED TO FIRST ASK YOU WHY YOU'RE APPROACHING THE PODIUM IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO SEE COMMISSIONER SHELL SAID THAT C.C. 1 IS NOT A MAP THAT HE REALLY CARES TO DELVE INTO IT. LET'S LOOK AT C.C. 2 WHICH IS THE FRIDAY POSTING. WITH HIS QUESTION, MR. BASS, DO YOU HAVE A WAY TO ENCAPSULATE WHAT THAT MEANS, THE DILUTION OF THE VOTE? OR PACKING VOTERS.

>> THERE'S NO REAL BENCHMARK OR DEFINITIVE NUMBER THAT I CAN POINT TO. I THINK THE THREE PLANS, IF I THINK C.C. 1 GOOD ENOUGH TO BE GIVEN MUCH CONSIDERATION.

IT'S ALREADY OUT OF BALANCE TO THE POINT THAT I THINK IF ADOPTED IT WOULD BE IMMEDIATELY SUBJECT TO [INDISCERNIBLE].

OF THE THREE PLANS ALL THREE HAVE SIMILAR NUMBERS, RANGING FROM A 50.11% HISPANIC VOTING CONTENT, VOTING AGE.

AND M-9 AND AND THE C.C. 2 PLAN HAS A 57.01%.

S.M.2 HAS A 45.9% IN 1 AND A 53.18% IN 2.

>> OKAY. >> THOSE VARIABLES -- IT'S HARD

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TO QUANTIFY ONE IS RETROGRESSIVE.

ANYTHING LOWER THAN AN ESTABLISHED BENCHMARK, I THINK COMMISSIONER INGALSBE'S LONG-TERM REPRESENTATION IN 1 MORE A -- I SAY IT. IT'S INDICATIVE THAT SHE'S DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB AND HAS GOOD CROSSOVER RESORT.

MY CONCERNS GENERALLY HAVE BEEN THAT WE NEED TO PRESERVE A STRONG MINORITY REPRESENTATION POTENTIAL IN ONE AND IF THE POPULATION IS AVAILABLE, TO MAKE A SECOND STRONG HISTORY IN 2.

THAT SHOULD ALSO BE DONE. IN A BETTER WAY, POSSIBLY AT LEAST THEN THE C.C.2 AND S.M. 2. BUT AGAIN THERE'S NO REAL HARD LINE NUMBER THAT CAN BE CITED AS THE DEFINITIVE NUMBER.

IT'S SUBJECT TO INTERPRETATION AND EVENTUALLY IT'S SUBJECT TO THE OUTCOME IN THE NEXT ELECTION.

TEMPERATURE COULD VARY. SO, I MEAN, I THINK THOSE NUMBERS NEED TO STAY AT OR ABOVE 50%, AT A MINIMUM.

I WOULD PREFER STRONGER. BUT THAT'S KNEW PREFERENCE.

I HAVE DONE THIS WORK ALL OVER THE STATE.

AND I'VE SEEN TIME AFTER TIME MINORITY/MAJORITY DISTRICTS BE CREATED. AND AT THE NEXT ELECTION, THE CANDIDATE -- MINORITY CANDIDATE NOT BE SUCCESSFUL, EVEN IF

HIGHER NUMBERS. >> AND THAT'S -- THAT'S JUST ANECDOTAL. BUT I THINK HAYS COUNTY MAYBE SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT, IN THAT IT HAS AN ESTABLISHED MINORITY REPRESENTATION IN PRECINCT 1. I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT LOST BY NOT PROVIDING ENOUGH DEMOGRAPHIC SUPPORT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

>> WELL, IT WAS REALLY COMMISSIONER SHELL'S QUESTION I BROUGHT YOU AS OUR PROFESSIONAL IN THIS SPACE TO ANSWER.

THANKS FOR THE EXPLANATION. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NEXT IS, UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE AN EXPANDING QUESTION FOR MR. BASS, I'D LIKE EACH COMMISSIONER TO COMMENT ON COMMISSIONER SHELL.

WE'LL START WITH ANY COMMENTS TO MR. BASS? NONE AT THIS TIME, RIGHT? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER SMITH, ANYTHING TO CONTRIBUTE TO C.C. 2, WHICH IS THE MAP OF CHOICE FOR COMMISSIONER SHELL.

>> YES. THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY, IN LOOKING AT THIS MAP, WELL, I WOULD MAKE ONE COMMENT BEFORE I COMMENT SPECIFICALLY ON THIS MAP.

AND THAT'S TO THE POINT THAT YOU JUST MADE A MOMENT AGO, JUDGE, RELATIVE TO THE CONCEPT OF ONED YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE.

WE GET ONE SHOT AT THIS EVERY TEN YEARS.

AND JUST BY LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, WE KNOW THAT HAS BEEN SO SKEWED OVER THE LAST AT LEAST FOUR TO SIX YEARS IN BOTH MY PRECINCT AND IN COMMISSIONER JONES' PRECINCT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF VOTERS THAT HAVE VOTED IN THOSE ELECTIONS, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE MUCH, MUCH HIGHER TURNOUT, MUCH, MUCH JUST HIGHER POPULATION IN THOSE AREAS.

AND SO I THINK THAT AS LONG AS -- YOU KNOW, I WOULD MAKE THE POINT THAT THE STATE GIVES US AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GIVES US THE CONTROL TO LOOK AT TRYING TO ALLEVIATE THAT GAP AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE EVERY TEN YEARS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN DISCUSSIONS LAST WEEK BY R.A.C. AND BROUGHT UP AT EACH INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS. THE R.A.C. WAS NOT ABLE TO LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY WAS WHERE THOSE HIGH-GROWTH AREAS ARE.

WE KNOW THAT POPULATION IS COMING.

THEY WERE BOUND BY THE FACT THAT THEY HAD TO USE THE NUMBERS GIVEN TO THEM BY THE CENSUS LAST YEAR.

EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW WHAT 241,000 THAT WAS THERE LAST YEAR, SOME NUMBERS TELL US THAT WE HAVE 100 -- I THINK WE HEARD OF 120 OR 121 PEOPLE A DAY MOVING INTO OUR COUNTY.

WE DON'T GET TO COUNT THAT POPULATION IN THESE GIVEN AREAS.

SO WE'RE ALREADY A YEAR BEHIND THE EIGHT-BALL.

MY CONCERN -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LIKE, I REALLY LIKE ABOUT COMMISSIONER SHELL'S MAP SPECIFICALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE HIGH-GROWTH AREAS AND THE OVERALL POPULATION, IT WOULD GIVE ACTUAL OPPORTUNITY IN BOTH -- REALLY IN PRECINCT 3 AND 4 FOR SOME OF THAT GROWTH TO OCCUR.

SPECIFICALLY IN MY PRECINCTS AND ANY OF THESE MAPS REALLY, BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY IN THESE, BECAUSE WE KNOW WHERE THAT DEVELOPMENT IS COMING. EVEN THOUGH THE R.A.C. WAS BOUND BY THAT. WE CAN MAKE SMALL ADJUSTMENTS.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT THIS, AND AGAIN TO COMMISSIONER SHELL'S POINT, I DIDN'T -- I NEVER GOT TO SEE THIS MAP. I SAW IT WHEN IT APPEARED IN

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BACKUP, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

ONE OF THE THINGS I DID, FOR MY OWN BENEFIT, AS SOON AS I LOOKED IT. KYLE AND SAN MARCOS, OR VARIOUS PORTIONS OF ALL OF THE CITIES, I KNOW WHERE THE CITY LIMIT IS.

I KNOW WHERE -- WHEN I LEAVE KYLE, I KNOW I'M LEAVING KYLE.

I KNOW WHEN I'M GOING INTO SAN MARCOS, BECAUSE I HAVE COMMUNITIES. FOR EXAMPLARS IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT BLANOC VISTA. I KNOW WHAT CITY IT IS.

AND WHICH CITY COUNCIL I HAVE TO CALL, BECAUSE I KNOW WHERE THAT LINE IS. JUST GLANCING AT THE FIRST TIME I SAW C.C. 2, IT WAS VERY OBVIOUS TO ME THAT C.C. 2 WAS DONE LOOKING AT CITY LIMITS. AND IT -- -- I CURRENTLY LIVE IN DRIPPING SPRING. LONGING AT THE MAP, IT WAS OBVIOUS TO ME ON C.C. 2, WHENEVER I GRABBED IT.

I SAID, OH, IF YOU LOOK TO THE WEST OF DRIPPING SPRINGS THAT'S THE CITY LIMITS. IF YOU ZOOM IN ON IT, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE CITY LIMITS WERE. WOULD FOLLOW THE KYLE CITY LIMITS. THE OTHER THING THAT I LIKE ABOUT THIS IS IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OF THE OTHER MAPS, AND ANY OF THE OTHER MAPS WE'VE LOOKED AT, WHETHER IT'S S.M. 2 OR M-9, YOU REALLY HAVE -- BECAUSE OF THE OLD VOTING -- OR THE OLD CENSUS BLOCKS AND THE OLD PRECINCT BLOCKS THAT WERE USED, AND AGAIN I CAN'T SPEAK SPECIFIC TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS.

BUT I CAN SPEAK TO MINE. IT MAKES IMMINENT SENSE TO ME TO HAVE HARD ROADWAYS AND GEOGRAPHIC FEATURES AND DIVIDING LINES. I SAY THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE OTHER MAPS, AGAIN I DON'T CURRENTLY REPRESENT BUDA.

SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN BUDA. BUT LOOKING AT THEM, UNDER ANY OF THESE MAPS, I'M GOING TO REPRESENT A PORTION OF BUDA.

IT MAKES IMMINENT SENSE TO ME TO USE I-35 AS A DIVIDING POINT BETWEEN TWO -- BETWEEN TWO PRECINCTS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER MAPSER THERE ARE LITERAL FINGER.

I'M JUST USE S.M. 2 AS AN EXAMPLE.

THERE ARE FINGERS THAT STICK OUT IN VOTING PRECINCTS THAT GRAB, YOU KNOW, TEN HOUSES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 35.

THEY DON'T -- THAT DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY CONNECTION TO THE ENTIRE REST OF THE PRECINCT, RELATIVE TO THAT GIVEN AREA.

I LIKE THOSE HARD LINES. SIMILARLY IF I LOOK AT 150, AND C.C. 2, THE BORDER BETWEEN PRECINCT 3 AND PRECINCT 4 USES DISTINCT AND GEOGRAPHIC ROADWAYS TO HAVE THOSE BORDERS.

WITHOUT JUMPING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AS WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER PLACES AND HAS OCCURRED ON SOME OF THESE MAPS, BECAUSE THEY WERE DICTATED OR THEY USED GENERAL VOTING BLOCKS.

-- OR NOT VOTING BLOCKS, CENSUS BLOCKS, BUT INDIVIDUAL VOTING BOXES. AND I DO HAVE A CONCERN OVER THE MAPS THAT WE ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT LAST WEEK.

I BROUGHT IT UP LAST WEEK. AND I HOPE MANY OF OUR FOLKS WILL REMEMBER, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD TO COME -- SINCE I HAVE SAT ON THIS COURT IN THE THREE YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE WITH YOU, JUDGE, TWICE IN MY PRECINCT WE HAD TO COME IN HERE AND SPLIT VOTING PRECINCTS, BECAUSE WE HAD TOO MANY PEOPLE IN THEM.

THE STATE MANDATES THAT WE CAN'T HAVE OVER 5,000.

ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE HAD TO DO THAT. BY USING THESE INDIVIDUAL BLOCKS AND L LOOKING AT WHERE THOSE VOTING PRECINCTS ARE, IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO IN AND ACTUALLY HELP US WHENEVER WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHERE THE VOTING PRECINCTS ARE, BECAUSE IT MAKES A CLEAR DELINEATION WHERE I KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE GOT -- I THINK THERE'S ONE PRECINCT IN ONE VOTING BOX PRECINCT IN MY PRECINCT THAT HAS LESS THAN 50 PEOPLE IN IT.

I'VE GOT ONE -- I'VE GOT TWO THAT CAPPED OUT AT OVER 5,000.

ONE HAD OVER 6,000 LAST YEAR. WE HAD TO SPLIT IT.

JUST AS AN EXAMPLE. I PICKED UP NINE -- WE DID AS A COUNTY THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS.

SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I LIKE ABOUT C.C. 2.

HONESTLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE -- TO PERMEATIONS ON THE CITY OF KYLE, I HAVE SPOKEN TO SOME OF THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS OVER THERE. AND THERE IS A SPLIT, AS FAR AS WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON BEHALFST CITY OFFICIALS.

SOME WANT TWO MEMBERS ON THE COURT AND THEY WANT TO HAVE THOSE TWO MEMBERS AND THEY WANT TO HAVE DIRECT INFLUENCE OVER

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TWO MEMBERS. OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL I HAVE SPOKEN WITH, SAY WHY WOULD WE GIVE UP A MAJORITY IF WE HAVE THREE MEMBERS ON THE COURT.

IF WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE REPRESENTING OUR COMMUNITY NOW AND WE CAN GO FORTH AND ADVOCATE WITH THREE MEMBERS, WHO REPRESENT US, WHY WOULD WE GIVE THAT UP.

AND SO I -- I DON'T THINK THERE'S THE CLEAR CONSENSUS IN MY VIEW ANYWAY. AND SPEAKING WITH THOSE ELECTED OFFICIALS THERE AND WITH CONSTITUENTS THERE, I HAVE HEARD FROM CONSTITUENTS ON BOTH SIDES RELATIVE TO THAT.

>> I WANTED TO EXPAND JUST A MINUTE.

I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT YOUR TRAIN OF THOUGHT.

YOU REFERENCED C.C. 2 WHICH IS COMMISSIONER SHELL'S SUBMITTED MAP. WE HAVE A VERSION THAT THE VIEWING PUBLIC SEES ONLINE AND WAS DISTRIBUTED ON FRIDAY.

AND PRINTED IN THE BACK CORNER. BUT I WAS HANDED BY MR. KENNEDY

A MAP THAT SAYS C.C. -- >> I THINK THAT MAP IS

INCORRECT. >> AND SO I'M KIND OF -- IT SAYS C.C. 2 THAT I THINK, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IS A NEW VERSION OF THE MAP. SO I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND --

>> THAT'S 9. >> I THINK THIS IS S.M. 9.

>> THIS IS NOT CORRECT. >> MR. BASS GOT WITH MY OFFICE THIS MORNING, JUST BEFORE COURT. I THINK THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE DEMOGRAPHICS. SO YOU CAN DISREGARD IT, JUDGE.

>> I JUST WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK. IT SAYS ON THE PRINTED DOCUMENT

C.C. 2 IN THE CORNER. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN THAT WITHOUT TALKING TO MY OFFICE.

I BET THEY ADDED SOMETHING TO MAKE IT CLEAR WHAT IT WAS.

AND THEY ATTACHED THE WRONG MA. >> IGNORE THE MAP I WAS JUST

HANDED. >> LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHIC.

>> GOT IT. >> JUDGE, IF YOU LOOK, IT

APPEARS TO BE M-9. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME MAP.

>> YES. >> OKAY.

I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO COMMISSIONER JONES FOR HIS COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER JONES.

>> AS I SAID LAST WEEK, THERE'S NOT A MAP THAT I LIKE FOR PRECINCT 2. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE THE FASTEST GROWING ONE IN GETTING 13,000 PEOPLE OUT OF MY PRECINCT. THERE'S NOT A GOOD WAY TO DO IT.

>> GOOD WAY TO DO IT. >> ANOTHER WAY THAT I WON'T MAKE 13,000 PEOPLE UNHAPPY I GUESS. PUT IT THAT WAY.

SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE C.C. THE OTHER MAPS UNTIL I TEXTED MARK KENNEDY.

I HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE LAST NIGHT.

I'M STILL LOOK OVER THOSE. ONE DISTINCTION I WANT TO MAKE, WE GOT A LOT OF EMAILS. THE R.A.C. DOES NOT HAVE A PROPOSED MAP, IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S JUST TWO MAPS.

>> TWO OPTIONS. >> BUT THAT WAS NOT -- NEITHER MAP IS APPROVED OR RECOMMENDED BY THE R.A.C.?

>> THEY APPROVED TWO SUBMITTALS TO US.

>> THERE WERE PROBABLY A DOZEN MAPS CONSIDERED BY R.A.C.

MEMBERS AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER. THERE WERE THREE -- I BELIEVE THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT IN MORE LENGTH.

THERE WAS NO MAP THAT WAS AGREED UPON BY ALL R.A.C. MEMBERS.

THERE WAS NO CONSENSUS. >> MAYBE THIS IS A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT. > WHO IS PUTTING FORTH THE

MAPS OUT OF R.A.C.? >> THEY WERE PRODUCED OUT OF THE PROCESS. ONE BY STEVE MEYER.

AND ONE BY MARK TRAYHAM. AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THE NUMBERS ON THEM, STEVE MEYER PRODUCED TWO MAPS, THE SECOND WAS THE ONE THAT WAS OFFICIALLY SUBMITTED. MARK TRAYHAM PRODUCED NINE TOTAL. TWO, THREE OTHER ONES TALKED ABOUT AT ONE POINT AND SETTLED ON M-9.

>> I WAS HOPING THAT COMING OUT OF THE R.A.C. THERE WOULD BE ONE MAP TO RECOMMEND. THAT WASN'T POSSIBLE EITHER, WAS

IT? >> IT WAS NOT LIKELY THAT THEY WERE GOING TO REACH CONSENSUS, EVEN WITH FURTHER DISCUSSION.

>> ALL RIGHT. AND JUST TO REITERATE, THEY WERE -- R.A.C. AS YOU MAY HAVE HEARD SEVERAL TIME REFERENCED, IT IS A REDISTRICTING ADVISORY COMMISSION.

AND AS THE NAME SAYS, IT IS ADVISORY.

IT IS OUR SOLE DISCRETION AND OUR SOLE JOB AND PURPOSE TO DECIDE AND VOTE ON. JUST TO REITERATE ALSO.

THEY PRESENTED TWO MAPS. THEY SAID THESE ARE OUR TWO FAVORITE PICKS AND THESE ARE WHAT WE PUT FORTH.

COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, BEFORE WE GO ON TO YOUR COMMENTS.

I WANTED TO POINT OUT IN THE C.C. 2 AS I HAVE A LITTLE TIME TO REVIEW IT, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR PRECINCT AND PRECINCT 4, FOR EXAMPLE. THIS IS FINE PRINT.

I SHOULD HAVE CHANGED THIS FOR MYSELF.

PRECINCT 4 IS UNDER 3.3%. QUITE A HANDFUL OF EXTRA PEOPLE

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PUT IN YOUR PRECINCT. AND LEFT OUT OF 4.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A REFERENCE POINT.

HOW DO YOU PUT YOUR HEAD AROUND THAT, WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND

THOSE IDEAS OF DEVELOPMENT? >> OKAY.

WELL, LET ME -- I WANT TO FIRST START REQ -- WITH THE MEETING TT WAS HELD SINCE MY NAME WAS MENTIONED REGARDING THE MAPS.

SO ON THURSDAY, WE HAD A MEETING AT STEVE FLOYD'S OFFICE.

IT WAS COMMISSIONER SHELL AND I, MARK KENNEDY AND STEVE FLOYD.

I HAD LET THE DEMOCRATIC CHAIR KNOW THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE MEETING AND A COUPLE OF OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PARTY.

BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT THE TWO MAPS THAT WE WERE GIVEN BY THE R.A.C. OR THAT WERE RECOMMENDED BY THE R.A.C.

AND MAYBE LOOK AT ADJUSTING SOME OF THE LINES.

AND SO THAT WAS THE HOPE THAT WE COULD COME IN AND JUST ADJUST SOME OF THE LINES ON THE MAP. AND SO WHEN WE MET, COMMISSIONER SHELL DID WALK IN AND THERE WAS A QUESTION ON WHETHER OR NOT THE TWO MAPS, THAT WERE PRESENTED, WERE IN COMPLIANCE.

AND SO THE MEETING KIND OF REVOLVED AROUND THAT DISCUSSION, HOW COULD THAT BE. CONCERN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE. IT'S COMING UP.

YOU KNOW, TUESDAY WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON -- POSSIBLY VOTE ON THESE MAPS. YOU KNOW, TIMELINE IS VERY TIGHT. AND SO THERE WEREN'T ANY MAPS FOR US TO LOOK AT AT THAT TIMER REGARDING -- AT THAT TIME REGARDING THESE NEW MAPS. SO WE JUST HAD DISCUSSION REGARDING, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS COULD HAPPEN.

ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS AND THAT I VOICED IS THAT, GOSH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE WISHING -- RUSHING THIS.

THIS IS BEING DONE AT THE LAST MINUTE.

IF THERE WAS SUCH A CONCERN, WHY DIDN'T OUR DISTRICT -- REDISTRICTING ATTORNEY SAY AS MUCH.

YOU KNOW, WHY DIDN'T HE BRING UP THE ISSUES.

SO, ANYWAY, NO MAPS WERE CREATED.

I DID CALL A MEMBER OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, AFTER I LEFT THAT MEETING. AND JUST TO LET HER KNOW THAT ANOTHER MAP MAY BE CREATED, BECAUSE THERE WAS A QUESTION ON WHETHER OR NOT THE MAPS WERE IN COMPLIANCE.

AND SO I GUESS MY BIGGEST CONCERNS REGARDING THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY -- WE DID NOT HAVE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY, NONE OF US, I, THE PUBLIC, EVEN THE COURT, AS WE'VE ALL MENTIONED, DID NOT HAVE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AND ANALYZE THESE MAPS. IT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME AND I THINK SO TO THIS ENTIRE COMMISSION THAT WE CREATED THE R.A.C. WE WANTED TO RECEIVE INPUT AND INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC. WE WANTED THE R.A.C. TO VET ALL OF THIS, WHICH THEY DID PRIOR TO THESE OTHER MAPS BEING DONE.

SO ALL OF THE OTHER WORK HAD BEEN DONE.

WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT OPEN AND TRANSPARENT -- AN OPEN AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS. AND THIS JUST ISN'T.

NOT BEING ABLE TO REALLY GET A GOOD LOOK AT THESE MAPS TO DIAL IN. I WAS ABLE TO DO SOME OF THAT THIS WEEKEND. BUT NOT EVERYBODY HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. AND SO -- AND AGAIN I THINK -- YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE BOB BASS TO COME UP HERE.

IF THIS WAS SUCH A CONCERN WITH THE TWO MAPS NOT BEING IN COMPLIANT, WHY DIDN'T OUR ATTORNEYS SAY AS MUCH.

>> COMMISSIONER, LET ME, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WILL SAY HE WILL PROBABLY SPEAK IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGE.

AND SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WE USED WHEN DISCUSSING THE MAPS WITH THE R.A.C. HOW DEFENSIBLE THE MAP MIGHT BE.

WE MUST RECOGNIZE IF A VOTE DILUTION MADE, THE PLAINTIFFS HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROOF IN THAT CASE AND SEVERAL PROOFS TO MAKE IN THAT CASE. NOT JUST ONE.

SO THE QUESTION IS REALLY HOW DEFENSIBLE IS A MAP, NOT WHETHER IT'S COMPLIABLE OR NOT. THERE'S A LOT MORE TEXTURE TO IT

THAN THAT. >> I REALIZE THAT.

THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION WE HAD WITHIN THAT SMALL MEETING, THAT WAS A QUESTION ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE IN COMPLIANCE.

>> RIGHT. >> MR. BASS, WILL YOU DO ME A

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FAVOR AND ANSWER COMMISSIONER APP'S QUESTION.

WOULD YOU MIND RESTATING THIS, I'M DOING THIS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT MINDS. MR. BASS, YOU CAN SAY ONE SENTENCE. THIS WOULD BE A GOOD GAME OF BROKE OPINION TELEPHONE. WE'LL ALL HEAR DIFFERENT STORIES. SO MY HOPE IS FOR US TO HAVE AS LITTLE INTERRUPTION AND MISUNDERSTANDING TAKE PLACE AS POSSIBLE. IF YOU COULD IN THE MOST MUNDANE

WAY DESCRIBE YOUR ANSWER. >> THIRD-GRADE LEVEL.

>> I DON'T WANT TO SOUND THAT WAY.

BUT IF YOU COULD -- >> FOR ME.

DUMB IT DOWN. >> HELP US ALL HEAR YOUR ANSWER IN A WAY THAT THAT IS MORE DESCRIPTIVE TO THE ANSWER THAT

COMMISSIONER INGALSBE HAS. >> OKAY.

SO DURING THE MEETING IT WAS SAID TO ME THAT THERE WAS A QUESTION ON WHETHER OR NOT THE TWO MAPS M-9 AND S.M. 2 WERE IN COMPLIANCE. AND SO MY QUESTION BACK WAS THAT IF THERE WAS SUCH A CONCERN REGARDING THE COMPLIANCE OF THESE MAPS, WHY DID OUR REDISTRICTING ATTORNEY NOT SAY

AS MUCH? >> I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE THREE PLANS PRESENTLY BEING DISCUSSED ARE NONCOMPLIANT.

THE QUESTION IS, AS MARK HAS INDICATED, OF THE THREE PLANS THEY'RE ALL BALANCED. UNDER THE CONSTITUTIONAL TEST.

THEY ALL PROVIDE FOR A MINORITY/MAJORITY DISTRICT IN PRECINCT 1 OR 2. S.M. 2 REDUCES THE MINORITY CONTENT IN PRECINCT 1 TO 45.9%. I BELIEVE THAT'S SOMEWHAT RETROGRESSIVE. THAT'S MY OWN OPINION.

THE M-9 IS BALANCED AND IT HAS MINORITY/MAJORITY VOTING AGE POPULATIONS IN TWO DISTRICTS. 1 AND 2.

THE C.C. 2 PLAN HAS A 51.07% CONTENT IN ONE AND A 47.63%.

THEY'RE ALL WITHIN -- IN MUNDANE LANGUAGE, SPITTING DISTANCE OF VALID PLANS. IT'S THE QUESTION OF THE THREE OPTIONS THAT YOU'RE PRESENTLY, WHICH IS THE STRONGEST IN BEING DEFENDABLE. I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THESE

PLANS ARE NOT COMPLIANT. >> PLEASE, IF YOU TOOK IT THAT I WAS SAYING THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT, --

>> I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID. SOMEBODY SAID THAT --

>> THERE WAS A QUESTION ON THIS. >> AND THAT YOU ASKED IF THAT WAS THE CASE. WHY DID I NOT RAISE IT.

THE REASON I DIDN'T RAISE IT, I THINK, AS FAR AS MEETING THE THRESHOLDS, ALL THREE PLANS PROBABLY ARE DEFENDABLE.

JUST WHICH IS THE BETTER. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> MOST DEFENDABLE. >> ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. >> SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR

QUESTION? >> YES.

AS I'M LOOKING AT S.M. 2 AND ALTHOUGH I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE WORK THAT WENT INTO THAT, I WOULD HOPE WE WOULD NOT CONSIDER THAT MAP. AND SO AND I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT BECAUSE OF THE PROCESS THAT HAD TAKEN PLACE OR HAS TAKEN PLACE, REGARDING THE R.A.C. AND THE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AND THE MEETINGS THAT WE HELD, I -- I BELIEVE THAT M-9 IS WHAT WE NEED TO APPROVE. AND SO I WOULD BE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT AS A MOTION. THAT WE APPROVE M-9 AS OUR NEW

REDISTRICTING MAP. >> WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MOTION ON

THE FLOOR, DON'T WE? >> TO DISCUSS THE -- TO OPEN UP.

>> OKAY. >> NOT A PARTICULAR MAP.

>> OKAY. >> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE M-9 AND TO KEEP US MOVING I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

WE'RE STILL NOW IN CONVERSATION. SO FOR ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER, WHICH I DO MY BEST TO FOLLOW. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

WE'RE GOING INTO MORE DISCUSSION AND THEN WE COULD CALL THE VOTE.

AND M-9 MAP, TO BE SPECIFIC, IS ONE OF THE TWO MAPS THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY OUR RESTRICTING ADVISORY COMMISSION.

WE HAD CHOSEN OUR REPUBLICAN PARTY CHAIR, MR. PARKS.

AND OUR OKLAHOMA DEMOCRATIC PARTY CHAIR DR. TRAY HAM.

I WILL SAY FOR SIMPLICITY'S SAKE, DR. -- THAT'S WHAT THE "M" IS FOR. IT'S THE ONE YOU WERE MAKING A MOTION FOR AND I SECOND IT. I APPRECIATE THE MOTION.

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TO KEEP THIS MOVING WHOLEHEARTEDLY, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A FEW COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO THERE.

I HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO. I DO THE VERY BEST TO GIVE YOU THE COMMENTS AND SAVE MYSELF FOR LAST.

SOME OF THE THINGS I HAVE HEARD THAT HAVE RANG LOUD AND CLEAR IN MY HEAD ARE FAIR AND TRANSPARENT.

WE HAVE HEARD THAT EVERYWHERE AND, COMMISSIONER, I'M GRATEFUL THAT YOU, TOO, HAVE RANG THAT BELL.

THAT CANNOT BE UNRUNG. WE HAVE REACHED FORWARD.

WE HAVE CREATED A COMMISSION FOR AND WE HAVE PULLED OUT WORKSHOPS AND COUNTYWIDE PARTICIPATION FOR THAT TO TAKE PLACE.

WE CREATED THE VERY BEST WAY THEY COULD.

THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE COULD ALWAYS MAKE THINGS BETTER.

NEVERTHELESS, WE DID OUR VERY BEST, AS A COMMUNITY TO CREATE THAT FAIR AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS.

AND FROM WHAT I JUST HEARD YOU SAY IS YOU WENT IN TO A MEETING, WITH OUR COUNTY MAPS DRAWER, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW WHO STEVE IS. AND YOU WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO EITHER MR. PARKS' MAP OR DR. TRAYHAM'S MAP.

THEY WERE VERY SIMILAR AT THE END OF THE DAY.

FIND A WAY TO MAYBE MERGE THEM INTO ONE.

SOME VARIATION OF THE LINES IS WHAT --

>> JUDGE -- >> YOU DIDN'T LEAD WITH THE IDEA THAT YOU WERE GOING TO CREATE -- CREATE A NEW ONE.

MUCH LESS YOU NEVER GOT TO SEE A NEW ONE.

AND SO FOR THAT I WROTE THIS EARLIER.

AND I THINK THAT THIS IS ALSO PART OF IT.

AND COMMISSIONER SHELL, I RESPECT YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

YOU GOT TO GIVE ME A BREAK. >> NO.

NO. >> PLEASE, PLEASE.

JUST SAY IT. PLEASE.

>> YOU SAID -- MR. PARKS' MAP, IT WAS MY APPOINTEES 3457.

>> THAT'S WHAT I ARTICULATED. THE CHAIRS, CO-CHAIRS.

WHO ACTUALLY DID THE WORK IS A MOOT POINT TO ME.

I'M SORRY. IT'S MY EXPLANATION.

LET ME GO WITH IT. I'D APPRECIATE A LITTLE BIT OF RESPECT BACK AS I STAYED QUIET FOR YOU.

PLEASE. PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER SHELL, I HIGHLY VALUE AND I SAY IT PUBLICLY AT EVERY TURN, I HIGHLY VALUE YOUR INTELLECT AND ARTICULATION AND ATTENTION TO DETAIL. I DO WITH ALL OF MY HEART.

I SAY THAT SINCERELY. SO WHEN I SAY THAT THIS MAP WAS DRAWN IN SECRET, I DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE THAT AS A JAB.

BUT THAT'S THE IMPRESSION. THE IMPRESSION IS THIS MAP WAS DRAWN IN SECRET. THE IMPRESSION IS THAT, COMMISSIONER, THE ONE COMMISSIONER YOU REACH REACHED OUT TO STAY WITHIN THE LAW, DIDN'T EVEN GET TO SEE THE MAP.

SO I FIND THAT, TO USE ANOTHER COMMISSIONER'S WORDS, NO, I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE. I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE.

I SEEK PEACE. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THERE.

I DON'T SUPPORT THE WAY THIS HAS REACHED US TODAY.

PICKING VOTERS -- IT IS AS I HEARD SOMEONE SAID, UN-AMERICAN.

BY GOLLY IF WE CAN ALL SAY ONE THING, LET'S SAY WE'RE MERGING.

I ALWAYS STRIVE TO UNITE US AT EVERY TURN, WHETHER YOU LIKE ME OR NOT. I'VE SAID IT AND I HEARD SNICKERS OVER THERE. I HAVE DEMOCRATS THAT DON'T LIKE ME. THAT'S FINE.

I HAVE REPUBLICANS THAT LOVE ME. MY BIGGEST HOPE IS TO HAVE HIGHEST USE -- I'M THE COUNTYWIDE REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS COURT. MY BIGGEST HOPE IS TO UNITE US AT EVERY TURN. I HAVE STOOD IN SPACES THAT I STUDENT HAVE, I HAVE DONE THINGS THAT ARE TOUGH TO DO.

THIS IS ONE OF THEM. THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING FOR YOU TO HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE. THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING FOR RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE TALKING. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING WITH A LITTLE MORE INTENSITY FOR COMMISSIONER SMITH TO EXPRESS IT. THIS IS A VERY TOUGH THING.

ALL OF US ARE FEELING THE PRESSURE.

I KNOW MY COMMISSIONERS. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR YEARS NOW. I KNOW WE'RE ALL FEELING THE PRESSURE. THAT'S WHY I'M TAKING EXTRA CARE TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME IN HERE.

BECAUSE THIS IS NO EASY FEAT FOR ANYONE.

SO I WILL CONTINUE WITH MY COMMENTS.

EFFECTIVE REPRESENTATION. THAT WAS ANOTHER PIECE THAT I HEARD. I'M GRABBING COMMENTS FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU ARE MY INSPIRATION.

I DID NOT COME HERE WITH PRE-LOADED MESSAGES.

I DID NOT COME HERE WITH A PRECONCEIVED NOTION.

I WAS THINKING I WAS LOOKING AT A SEPARATE MAN JUST A MINUTING A OF C.C. 2. SO I BELIEVE THAT HISTORICALLY, AS I SAID LAST WEEK, I HAVE ALWAYS -- I RAISED MY FAMILY IN PRECINCT 3. I'VE BEEN A PRECINCT 3 COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER SHELL HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY COMMISSIONER. THERE'S A BUNCH OF BOBCATS IN PRECINCT 3. IT'S FOR VERY MANY YEARS BEEN A REPUBLICAN BOX. I'LL REPEAT WHAT I SAID LAST TIME. MY IMPRESSION IS THAT WE ARE SCRAPING THE BOBCATS AS A FORMER BOBCAT AND A BOBCAT DAD.

I CAN KEEP GOING. I FIND IT DISINGENUOUS TO SCRAPE BOBCATS INTO ONE AND SAY YOUR REPRESENTATION SELECTION, FOR

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YOUR YEARS-LONG TRADITIONAL PRECINCT 3 SEAT WILL NO LONGER BE WANTED, BE ASKED FOR OR BE A PART OF THE PROCESS.

YOU WILL NO LONGER, AS I ACCORDING TO THE MAP OF C.C. 2.

BECAUSE I LOOKED. WHERE DO I LIVE.

WE ALL SHOULD. HOW DOES THIS AFFECT YOU.

HOW DOES THIS AFFECT YOU IF YOU WANT TO RUN FOR OFFICE OR WHATEVER. I STILL HAVE THE PRIVILEGE, ACCORDING TO C.C. 2, TO VOTE FOR COMMISSIONER SHELL OR NOT.

BUT THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF -- A WHOLE BUNCH.

AND I WILL SAY THE LION'S SHARE OF BOBCATS THAT WILL NO LONGER HAVE THE ABILITY TO PICK WHO SITS IN THAT SEAT.

SO THAT'S WHAT'S AT STAKE WHENEVER YOU TALK ABOUT DILUTING THE VOTE. AND ELECTED OFFICIALS PICKING YOUR VOTERS. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE SAY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS IS A MAP YOUR VOTES WON'T COUNT OR WE'LL DO PACKING OR OTHER DESCRITIONS THAT ARE BEING USED. IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND, YES, IF YOU VOTE FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT AMENDMENT, YOUR VOTE WILL COUNT. IN THIS COURT'S REPRESENTATION, AND, OH, MY LORD, IF I SAY ONE THING, THIS COURT IS SO IMPORTANT. WE HAVE DONE AND CONTINUE TO DO SUCH MAGNIFICENT WORK FOR HAYS COUNTY.

WE AS A BODY HAVE BEEN SO -- I'M SO GRATEFUL, AS A WHOLE, WE HAVE DONE MAGNIFICENT WORK TOGETHER TO MOVE THIS COUNTY IN A GREAT FORWARD TRAJECTORY. AND I CAN POINT TO EACH COMMISSIONER HERE THAT HAS DONE IN PART A LOT OF THIS.

BUT TO SAY YOU AS A BOBCAT WILL NO LONGER HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHOOSE, AS YOU HAVE HISTORICALLY CHOSEN, YOUR REPRESNTATION ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT COURT, I THINK THAT'S HARD.

THAT'S A HARD PILL TO SWALLOW. AND I WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME SHIFTING POTENTIAL -- WELL, I CAN'T READ MY OWN WRITING.

[LAUGHTER] I KNOW.

THERE'S SO MUCH, GUYS. AGAIN THIS IS A TOUGH THING FOR EVERYONE. I GET THE PRIVILEGE OF HAVING THE MICROPHONE. BUT I'M JUST LIKE YOU.

I AM HAVING A HARD TIME WITH IT JUST LIKE YOU.

WHERE'S THE RESPECT FOR THE WORK? YES, THAT'S A COMMENT THAT WAS SAID.

WHERE IS THE RESPECT FOR THIS COMMISSION THAT WE CREATED.

WHERE IS THE RESPECT FOR ALL OF THAT WORK THAT MR. PARKS DID.

ALL OF THOSE HOURS, MR. KENNEDY. I MEAN, HE WAS MOVING THROUGH THIS THING JUST AS MUCH AS EVERYBODY ELSE.

AND HE WAS INVOLVED IN ALL OF THIS.

SO MUCH -- WHERE IS THE RESPECT FOR ALL OF THAT WORK? WE'RE THROWING THOSE MAPS AWAY. BEDROCK TO GOOD GOVERNANCE.

I HEARD THAT. A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL DESCRIPTION. THIS IS THE BEDROCK TO GOOD GOVERNANCE. WE DON'T NEED TO CAUSE DIVISION OR CAUSE UPSET. WE DON'T NEED TO DIVIDE OURSELVES. WE ARE AMERICANS FIRST.

WE ARE TEXANS, WE ARE HAYS COUNTY RESIDENTS.

WE ARE, MORE THAN YOU KNOW, WE ARE SO MUCH ALIKE.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THESE TYPES OF MAPS COULD DO US UNNECESSARY HARM. WE'LL WALK DOWN THE AISLE AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT EACH OTHER WITH A LITTLE BIT OF -- I DON'T KNOW. SOME COULD LOOK AT EACH OTHER WITH DISDAIN. IT'S IMPORTANT TO FIND WAYS TO UNDERSTAND, SEEK TO UNDERSTAND AND LISTEN AND NOT CREATE SPACES WHERE WE CREATE SOME HARD DIVISIONS AND YOU'VE NOT SEEN THE MAP, COMMISSIONER, IS FRIDAY THE DAY YOU WENT TO SEE IT.

THURSDAY. IT'S TOUGH FOR ME EVEN FURTHER TO SWALLOW. AND I JUST -- I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE THIS VOTE. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE FLOOR. I'VE SAID MY PIECE.

AND IF IT DOESN'T -- AND IF IT DOESN'T WIN, I WOULD LOVE A VOTE TO TABLE IT. SO IF THERE'S -- ADDITIONAL

COMMENTS -- >> AND LET ME JUST FOLLOW UP AND SAY ON THURSDAY, WHEN WE MET, THERE WAS -- THE MAP WASN'T EVEN CREATED. I MEAN, SO NOBODY COULD VIEW THE MAP. SO THE MAP WAS CREATED I GUESS ON FRIDAY AT SOME POINT. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TIME.

>> IT WAS ACTUALLY -- IT WAS I BELIEVE YOU HAD TO GO TO THE DOCTOR -- I BELIEVE WE GOT IT PUT IN THURSDAY AFTERNOON LATE,

MAYBE. >> OKAY.

>> 3:00, 4:00. AGAIN THAT WAS C.C. 1.

SO ONCE IT GOT PUT IN, YOU KNOW, I HAD SOME PRETTY IMMEDIATE CONCERNS. SO I THEN WORKED TO CREATE C.C. 2 OVER THAT NIGHT. THE NEXT MORNING I DID SHOW YOU

-- >> YOU DID ON FRIDAY.

>> C.C. 2. AND THAT WAS WHEN I -- WE WERE FINALIZING THE DETAILS SO WE COULD GET IT PUT BACK UP.

AGAIN THERE'S NO -- THERE WAS NO INTENT TO DO THIS SECRETLY.

I'VE BEEN COMPLETELY UP FRONT WITH THAT.

I DIDN'T -- IT WAS ME. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

100%. AND IF THERE WAS A DIFFERENT TIMELINE, IT DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE DIFFERENTLY.

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AND AGAIN I TAKE THIS SERIOUS. IT'S ONCE EVERY TEN YEARS.

AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO JUST SIT BACK.

I THINK WHAT I TOLD COMMISSIONER INGALSBE IS THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, S.M. 2 WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE OF THE DRASTIC REDUCTION IN THE HISPANIC POPULATION, ESPECIALLY VOTING AGE POPULATION IN PRECINCT 1.

AND I DID THINK THAT THAT WOULD -- COULD BE CHALLENGED.

AGAIN IS IT LEGAL OR NOT OR COMPLIANT OR NOT.

IT SEEMED TO ME THAT THAT WOULD BE -- I THOUGHT THAT WAS -- THAT RESULT WAS TOO EXTREME. I DON'T THINK IT WAS DONE ON PURPOSE. YOU KNOW, PRECINCT 2 DEFINITELY SAW AN INCREASE. BUT BECAUSE OF ITS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, I THOUGHT THAT IT SHOULD BE -- IT SHOULD BE MAINTAINED AND, THEREFORE, I WAS NOT GOING TO SUPPORT M-9.

I DID NOT MORE M-9 AS I WENT THROUGH EARLIER ABOUT COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST. IT BROKE UP MULTIPLE COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST AND THE INTENT OF MINE WAS TO TRY TO CONTAIN SOME

OF THEM. >> NO.

AND HE IS RIGHT, JUDGE. I DID SEE IT, THE MAP BRIEFLY ON THE PHONE. AND SO IT WAS VERY HARD TO DIAL IN ON ANY KIND OF DETAILS. AND SO WHEN IT WAS RELEASED ON -- I GUESS POSTED IN THE BACKUP IS WHEN I THINK WE ALL WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT AND THEN GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THOSE LINES WERE AND WHERE THEY ARE.

AND SO, ANYWAY. BUT I WILL SAY, BECAUSE COMMISSIONER SMITH SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT HE REALLY APPRECIATED I GUESS C.C. 2 AND SOME OF THE LINES.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DESTINT LINE -- DISTINCT LINES, USING SPECIFIC BOUNDARIES. I THINK M-9 DOES THAT.

IT USES I-35 AS A HARD BOUNDARY, YOU KNOW, TO SEPARATE THE PRECINCTS. BUT AGAIN FOR ME, I THINK A LOT OF IT IS JUST THAT -- AND I UNDERSTAND THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. BUT THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT PUBLIC PROCESS AND INPUT FOR THE NEW MAP IS CONCERNING TO ME.

>> I THINK COMMISSIONER SMITH WAS NEXT.

>> I JUST HAD A FEW COMMENTS. SO YOUR POINT, 35, FOR EXAMPLE, PRECINCT 222 CUTS ACROSS 35. AND 227 CUTS ACROSS 35.

WE'VE GOT -- PARDON ME, WE DON'T HAVE -- THERE'S A NUMBER OF THOSE PRECINCTS 221 THAT HAS ONE FINGER AND THIS IS ON M-9.

ONE FINGER THAT SHOOTS OUT, MAYBE A QUARTER MILE EAST OF 35.

AND THAT'S WHAT I MEANT WHENEVER I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

IN C.C. 22 ACTUALLY USES 35 AS THE DELINEATION POINT FOR ALL OF THOSE PRECINCTS. AND THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS

TRYING TO MAKE. >> THANK YOU.

>> BUT AGAIN BOTH THE OTHER MAPS, BOTH S.M. 2 YOU CAN SEE ON THIS MAP RIGHT HERE, THAT YELLOW BLOCK THAT SHOOTS OUT ACROSS 35, I'M NOT SURE WHAT PRECINCT THAT IS, JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

JUST -- I HAVE FOUR POINTS THAT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE.

THE FIRST ONE -- THE POINT THAT YOU MADE, JUDGE, RELATIVE TO BOBCATS. RIGHT NOW I REPRESENT ABOUT 25% OF THE UNIVERSITY. AND BY MOVING MY PRECINCT COMPLETELY OUT OF SAN MARCOS, IT ACTUALLY ADDS ADDITIONAL BOBCATS TO PRECINCT 3. SO THE THOUGHT THAT STUDENTS FROM THE UNIVERSITY OR OTHERS FROM THE UNIVERSITY WOULD NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE INFLUENCE OR HAVE A SAY IN PRECINCT 3, I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH THAT.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW AGAIN 25% TO 30%, MAYBE EVEN 35% OF THOSE STUDENTS HAVE THE ABILITY TO VOTE IN MY PRECINCT.

THEY HAVE A DIRECT INFLUENCE. I MEAN, I CAMPAIGN AT THE UNIVERSITY WHENEVER I CAMPAIGNED.

AND I SPEND TIME AT THE UNIVERSITY.

AND ALL OF UNDER C.C. 2 EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE -- I THINK EVERY SINGLE ONE, MAYBE A SMALL PORTION THAT GOES INTO PRECINCT 1. BUT ALL OF THOSE STUDENTS, I'D SAY 95% OF THOSE STUDENTS WOULD ACTUALLY FALL INTO PRECINCT 3 NOW. SO THEY WOULD PICK UP ADDITIONAL STUDENTS IN THAT PRECINCT. SO YOU WOULD HAVE MUCH MORE EVEN SPLIT AS OPPOSED TO WHAT IT IS NOW.

AS IT'S DIVIDED THREE WAYS. SO I WOULD JUST MAKE THAT POINT.

>> WHILE YOU'RE GOING TO THE NEXT POINT, I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT YOU. I WAS BEING CONSCIENTIOUS.

IN BETWEEN POINTS I WAS CHOOSING TO SEE THIS.

TO REITERATE THE RESPECT I OFFER.

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THERE'S NO WAY OF KNOWING WHAT I'M SAYING.

I'M NOT CALLING YOU A LIAR. SO I CAN'T REALLY REFERENCE IT, THESE NUMBERS OR THESE STATS OR THESE ADDRESSES OF VOTERS THAT ARE CURRENT BOBCATS. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

I CAN'T VALIDATE, CONFIRM OR DENY WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

>> I WOULD MAKE THE SAME POINT TO YOU, SIR.

I MEAN AGAIN IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S SCRAPING VOTERS OUT OF PRECINCT 3, BOBCATS OUT OF PRECINCT 3, I WOULD MAKE THE SAME POINT TO YOU. YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHERE THOSE VOTERS ARE. BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS I CURRENTLY REPRESENT PHYSICALLY 35% OF THE UNIVERSITY.

>> AND MY REFERENCE WAS ACCORDING TO THE MAP THAT SHOWS THE GEOGRAPHICAL FACTUAL BOBCATS' CAMPUS, THAT'S WHAT I

WAS REFERENCING. >> AND I AM, TOO.

IF YOU WANT TO USE THAT, THAT'S GREAT AS WELL.

I CURRENTLY REPRESENT 35% OF THE GEOGRAPHIC CAMPUS, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THAT. I HAVE THE STUDENT CENTER IN MY PRECINCT. AND SO I WOULD BE GIVING THAT

UP. >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT C.C. 2,

RIGHT? >> RIGHT.

I WOULD BE GIVING THE MAJORITY OF THAT TO PRECINCT 3, UNDER C.C. 2. THE POINT ABOUT THE -- THE NEXT POINT I WOULD MAKE IS IF WE LOOK ACROSS THE BOARD, UNDER ALL OF THESE MAPS, DOESN'T MATTER WHICH ONE IT IS, I LOSE POPULATION AS WELL. I LOSE POPULATION.

BUT I ALSO GAIN, UNDER ALL OF THESE MAPS, THE FASTEST-GROWING AREAS OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY.

THE AREAS IN BUDA THAT I WOULD HAVE, THAT I WOULD GAIN OR AREAS IN DRIPPING SPRINGS ARE BY FAR THE FASTEST GROWING AREAS IN THE COUNTY. THESE NUMBERS MAY BE OUT OF DATE. AND KNOW DISRESPECT TO KYLE AT ALL. THEY'RE GROWING AT ASTRONOMICAL BUILT AS WELL. IN THE KYLE AND BUDA AREA, IT'S 1.9 OR 2.1 HOMES BEING BUILT THERE.

I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I UNDERSTAND WHY ALL OF THOSE MMAPS DID THAT. I CAN SEE THE POINT BEHIND THAT.

TO THE POINT ON THE MAPS THEMSELVES AND WE SAID -- I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY AND I WAS NOT TRYING TO INTERRUPT YOU, JUDGE, EARLIER. I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THIS WAS DR. TRAYHAM'S MAP AND THIS WAS MR. PARKS' MAP.

THAT IS NOT TRUE. I'M NOT -- IT WAS JUST HONEST MISTAKE. WE EACH HAD SOMEONE WHO WE APPOINTED TO THAT COMMISSION. AND THE S.M. 2 MAP WAS NOT BOB PARKS' MAP. STEVE MEYER, WHO APPOINTED, HE DID A TON OF WORK AND DUE DILIGENCE WITH THE R.A.C. AS A WHOLE AND ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE R.A.C. TO CREATE DIFFERENT PERMEATIONS. SO I DON'T WANT THIS -- THE LAST THING I WANT IS THE TWO MAPS THAT WERE BROUGHT HERE TO BE PORTRAYED AS, WELL, THIS ONE BELONGS TO THE CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THIS ONE BELONGS TO THE CHAIR.

REPUBLICAN PARTY. I THINK BOTH CHAIRMAN OR CO-CHAIRS WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SHORT CHANGE THAT. AND I DON'T WANT TO -- IT'S NOT A CLEAR BOX TO PUT THOSE IN. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO DR. TRAYHAM OR TO STEVE MEYER, WHO PUT SO MUCH WORK INTO DEVELOPING THOSE LINES AND WORKING WITH THE REST OF THE R.A.C., TO SAY IT WAS THE TWO CO-CHAIRS' MAPS, I THINK IT'S

THE R.A.C.'S MAPS. >> THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TO FURTHER GRANULATE AND BETTER ARTICULATE THAT QUESTION.

MY IMPRESSION, FROM ALL OF THE -- TO CLARIFY, THAT IS THE MAP.

WE HAVE TWO COCHAIRS. THE MAP SUPPORTED BY DR. TRAYHAM WAS THE M9. THE MAP BY MR. PARKS WAS THE ONE THAT WAS ACTUALLY KEY STROKED BY MR. MEYER.

BUT THAT WAS THE ONE THAT OUR OTHER CO-CHAIR SUPPORTED.

I SIMPLY GENERALIZED IT IN REFERENCE TO WE HAVE TWO CO-CHAIRS AND THIS IS WHAT THIS CO-CHAIR IS RECOMMENDING AND THIS IS WHAT THIS CO-CHAIR HAS BEEN PROVIDING.

THEY PROVIDED THE TWO OPTIONS. AND THIS OPTION THAT MR. PARKS HAS PUT FORTH, WE UNDERSTAND IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION.

BUT IT IS ONE THAT HE SUPPORTS. THAT'S WHY I SAID IT THAT WAY.

>> HE DID. IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT MR. PARKS DOES SUPPORT -- DID SUPPORT S.M. 2.

I THINK THAT THE DIFFERENCE IS AND THE REASON I TRIED TO FURTHER GRANULATE IT THERE IS THAT AGAIN THERE WAS NOT A VOTE IN THE R.A.C. TO SAY THIS WILL BE THE ONE THAT WE SUPPORT OR THIS WILL BE THE OTHER ONE WE SUPPORT.

I THINK THAT THERE WAS GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT THEY WOULD PUT MULTIPLE OPTIONS TO US LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSIONS WITHIN THE R.A.C., I THINK THAT THEY MADE A VERY VALIANT EFFORT TO DO THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO SHORT CHANGE, NOT ONLY THOSE WHO WORKED ON THE

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MAPS, BUT ALL OF THE OTHER MEMBERS WHO HAD INPUT ON IT.

THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT WHEN WE SAY RESPECT FOR THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, IF THIS WAS A TRULY -- AND I KNOW I SAID THIS LAST WEEK AND I'VE SAID IT WHEN WE STARTED TODAY.

BUT VERY SPECIFICALLY THE PROCESS I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THESE MAPS, THERAPY IS A RESPECT FOR THE OVERALL PROCESS THAT STARTED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE R.A.C.

AND WHY I SAY THAT, VERY SIMPLY, BECAUSE.

THIS HAD BEEN -- IF WE AS A COURT HAD DECIDED TO MAKE THIS A TRULY PARTISAN PROCESS, EVERY ONE OF US WOULD HAVE WALKED IN HERE WITH OUR OWN MAP, ALL DIFFERENT.

AND I GUARANTEE YOU THAT THERE'S A WAY THAT YOU COULD TAKE OUR COUNTY AND ON A MAPPING, LOOKING AT THE COUNTY, DRAW LINES ACROSS IT LIKE THIS AND HAVE FOUR PRECINCTS THAT ARE LINES GOING ACROSS THE COUNTY. AND YOU'D END UP WITH HYPERPARTISAN MAPS. I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE GENERAL BASIS OF THE TWO MAPS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BY THE R.A.C., EVEN C.C. 2, IF YOU WANTED TO CREATE A PARTISAN MAP.

IT WOULD NOT LOOK LIKE C.C. 2. IF YOU WANTED A TRULY PARTISAN MAP, YOU WOULD HAVE DRAWN OUT EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRATIC PRECINCT AND PUT THEM IN ONE AREA. EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN PRECINCT AND PUT THEM IN ONE AREA. AS YOU LOOK AT THE MAPS AS THEY ARE, I REALLY APPRECIATE MR. BASS COMMENTS EARLIER THAT THEY'RE ALL WITHIN SPITTING DISTANCE OF EACH OTHER.

THOSE ARE THE FOUR COMMENTS I WOULD MAKE.

AND I -- I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM COMMISSIONER JONES.

>> RIGHT ON. COMMISSIONER JONES, THE POPULATION PIECE. I AGREE WITH YOU JUST DRAWING THE LINES LIKE YOU JUST ILLUSTRATED, THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.

WE COULD DO THAT. WE COULD JUST DRAW THE LINES.

MY ONLY REQUEST IS THAT THE POPULATION -- WE HAVE QUADRANT, WE HAVE FOUR COMMISSIONERS, IT MATCHES 25% EACH.

BECAUSE TO HAVE ALMOST 62,000 IN PRECINCT 1 AND 58,000 IN PRECINCT 4, I THINK THAT'S -- THAT'S A BAD START.

AND I LOOK OUT THIS WINDOW AND I SEE AN -- I CALL IT A HIGH-PROFILE. SOME CALL IT A MID-RISE.

WE'RE SURROUNDED BY MASS GROWTH HERE.

AND WITHOUT COUNTING DOORKNOBS OR DRIVEWAYS, I BELIEVE THE POPULATION GROWTH IS EVERYWHERE IN HAYS COUNTY.

AND I WILL SAY THAT WE'RE THE FASTEST GROWING COUNTY IN THE NATION OF A POPULATION OVER 100,000.

SO TO SAY THAT PRECINCT 4 HOLDS HUGE GROWTH POTENTIAL IS CRYSTAL BALLING IT AND NOT FAIR TO THE PROCESS.

IF WE'RE BREAKING THIS UP INTO QUADRANTS, THEN THE PERCENTAGES OF THE POPULATION SHOULD MATCH. COMMISSIONER JONES.

>> THANK YOU, JUDGE. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE'VE GOT THESE TWO TO WORK OFF OF. STEVE, ARE YOU EQUIPPED TO MAKE CHANGES TO ANY OF THESE MAPS? ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. WOULD YOU -- WOULD THE COURT BE WILLING TO TAKE A LOOK AT ONE OF THESE MAPS AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME CHANGES THAT WE CAN MAKE, THAT WE COULD -- THAT WE COULD

ALL SUPPORT ON I'M GUESSING? >> THAT WOULD BE THE IDEAL.

IN MY OPINION AS WELL. >> THERE'S SOME -- I MEAN, WE COULD DO IT WITH BOTH MAPS. RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

M9. >> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. I WOULD ASK FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION, MAYBE ADDING SOME CHANGES TO IT I GUESS IS WHAT

I'M SAYING. >> SO ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT

PROCESS HERE IN COURT? >> I THINK THAT'S WHAT STEVE

CAME PREPARED FOR. >> SO WHY DON'T WE DO THIS.

WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.

WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION. AND THIS THING IS UNFOLDING INTO A WONDERFUL SUGGESTION. BECAUSE THE BEST THING WE CAN DO -- WE'RE A DEMOCRACY. THE BEST THING WE CAN DO IS WHAT

>>> WE DO IT IN PUBLIC. WHAT A BLESSING.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. FOR EVERYONE'S BENEFIT, A TEN-MINUTE RECESS TO ARTICULATE OUR THOUG

>> OKAY. WE ARE BACK FROM A SHORT RECESS.

AND, COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> YES.

JUDGE, I THINK PROCEDURALLY I NEED TO RESCIND MY MOTION THAT I MADE EARLIER TO APPROVE M-9 AND I CAN RESTATE AT ANOTHER TIME.

>> PERFECT. THANK YOU.

FOR THOSE OF YOU HEARING A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM NOISE IN THE COURTROOM, SHE'S RESCINDING HER MOTION.

IT'S A FORMALITY. I NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SHE WILL REINSTATE HER MOTION IN THAT CONTEXT.

IN THAT SPACE. RHYME -- THIS IS HOW IT'S GOING

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TO GO. THOSE OF YOU THAT WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS AGENDA ITEM, SAVE US ALL.

DO US A ALL A FAVOR. IF YOUR IDEAS HAVE BEEN SAID, PLEASE -- THE REPEAT IS FOR EMPHASIS.

IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA THAT WE SHOULD HEAR, WE WANT TO HEAR IT.

IF IT'S A RUBBER STAMP OF SOMETHING THAT WE'VE JUST SAID.

HELP US ALL TO KEEP US MOVING. JUST A SUGGESTION.

ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS AGENDA ITEM.

RAISE YOUR HAND. I HAVE ONE PERSON WILLING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? ALL RIGHT.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> OH, OKAY.

>> WELL -- >> HOW DO WE DO THIS?

>> GO AHEAD AND APPROACH. >> OK.

I'M ALWAYS THE ONE -- >> POSE YOUR QUESTION.

I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER IN THE FORMAT.

I CAN ANSWER IT AFTER. >>> GO AHEAD.

>> OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> OFFICIALLY I'M HOPING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

BACK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT. >> MY NAME IS MINDY WEBBER.

I LIVE IN CONDEMN BERLY -- WEMBERLY.

IT WAS STATED THAT SOMEONE SAID AT THE THURSDAY MEETING THAT M-9 AND S.M. -- THE OTHER ONE WERE OUT OF COMPLIANCE.

>> THERE WAS A QUESTION. >> WHO BROUGHT THE QUESTION UP.

>> COMMISSIONER SHELL DID. >> YOU GOT TO LET ME LEAD THIS THING. STATE YOUR COMMENTS --

>> THAT'S MY COMMENT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING, BUT NOT HAVING A TWO-WAY CONVERSATION WITH THE COURT AT THIS MOMENT. OKAY.

DR. CALVERT, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU BEFORE.

COME ON UP. IF YOU'LL FOLLOW.

YES, SIR. >> LINDA CALVERT.

THE REDISTRICTING COMMITTEE FOR THE LEAGUE.

I WOULD SIMPLY ASK. WE HAVE INVITED AN ATTORNEY HERE FROM TCRP. HE HAS A GREAT DEAL OF INFORMATION ABOUT CASE LAW AND ABOUT THE GENERAL ASPECTS OF THIS PROCESS. AND I WOULD LIKE FOR -- AS QUESTIONS COME UP, FOR HIM TO BE ADDRESSED.

>> THANK YOU. HIS HAND WAS UP AND HE WAS COMING AFTER YOU. GO AHEAD.

YES, SIR. IF YOU'LL PLEASE, FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC THAT MAY HAVE JUST CHIMED IN, STATE YOUR NAME

AND TITLE AND YOUR COMMENTS. >> JOAQUIN GONZALEZ.

I WAS SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE MAP.

AND THREE POINTS THAT I WANTED TO ADD, FIRST, THAT WE BELIEVE THAT EITHER M-9 OR S.M. 2 THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM IN PRECINCT 1. THEY BOTH WOULD BE PERFORMING LATINO OPPORTUNITY DISTRICTS. AND DON'T HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE -- HAVING TO RAISE THOSE UP AND GOING INTO THE NORTHEAST PARTS OF THE COUNTY TO BRING IN MORE POPULATIONS.

ALSO ANT C.C. 2, THE TWO DISTRICTS, PRECINCTS 1 AND 2 THAT WOULD BE LATINO OPPORTUNITY DISTRICTS OR INFLUENCED DISTRICTS IN M-9 ARE BOTH BEER POPULATED, WHICH IS DILUTING THE VOTE OF THE INDIVIDUAL VOTERS IN THOSE AREAS.

LASTLY, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD TO DEAL WITH WITH OUR ELECTION PROTECTION HOTLINE, WHERE THERE'S BEEN ISSUES WITH THE -- I GUESS THE GEO ASSIGNING OF VOTERS TO PRECINCTS AND BLOCKS, SPECIFICALLY IN THE TEXAS STATE AREA. GIVEN THE SHORT TIMELINE, VERY CONCERNED THAT SPLITTING NUMEROUS ELECTION PRECINCTS WILL LEAD TO MORE CONFUSION, BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE TO REDRAW ALL OF THE PRECINCT LINES SIGNIFICANTLY. AND MANY OF THE STATE LEGISLATIVE MAPS ARE DRAWN WITH EXISTING PRECINCTS.

SO THAT'S GOING TO ADD LAYERS OF GEOGRAPHIC COMPLEXITY THERE.

>> WONDERFUL. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? OKAY. SO -- ONE MORE.

THERE IS. STATE YOUR NAME.

>> MY NAME IS ANGELA OR ANGIE. AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU, JUDGE, FOR EVEN LETTING ME COME TO THE PODIUM.

I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE ONCE BEFORE. AND I'M SURE YOU ALL REMEMBER

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IT. I'M ALWAYS -- I TRY REAL HARD NOT TO SOUND LIKE I'M SCOLDING ANYBODY.

BUT THERE'S A COMMON THREAD HERE.

I WOKE UP THIS MORNING. IT WAS CRYSTAL CLEAR TO ME THAT WITH ALL OF THE MAPS THAT WENT ON, I'M VERY DISTURBED THAT IT IS A PART OF A WAR AGAINST WOMEN.

I FEEL THAT WITH COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, SHE'S ALWAYS BEEN FAIR, SHE'S CARRIED THE WATER FOR MANY OF YOU ALL'S ISSUE TO THE AGENDA, THAT ARE C -- UNCOMFORTABLE IN THE END.

THEN AGAIN SHE GETS STABBED IN THE BACK BY MEN.

I FEEL THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MAP AND IT'S LIKE, OH, WHERE DO WE PUT TEXAS STATE, WE DON'T WANT IT IN OUR PRECINCT.

OH, GIVE IT TO DEBBIE INGALSBE. YOU KNOW, THE LATINA.

I APPRECIATE, COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, I'M FROM PRECINCT 2.

I WANTED TO RUN FOR COMMISSIONER.

I GOT DRAWN OUT BY EVERY MAP, AND THAT'S OKAY.

BUT I HEARD THE ATTORNEY SAY THAT THE VARIANCE WAS LIKE 10% THERE. AND THAT THAT WAS LEAVING IT VULNERABLE FOR A LAWSUIT. BUT THEN LATE WHEN ARE Y'ALL CALLED HIM TO SPEAK, HE WAS ACTING LIKE ALL THREE AND ALL MAPS WERE GREAT. THAT'S NOT WHAT HE FIRST SAID.

I DO WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE YOU, THAT EVEN THOUGH THEY PRESENT IT AS THEY'RE GOING TO PACK MORE LATINOS TO SECURE YOU, YOU KNOW THAT IT'S WRONG TO BRING THE FASTEST GROWING PRECINCT, WITH HISPANICS, WHERE I LEAVE TO 45%.

IT'S WRONG. I THINK THIS WAS A WOMAN ISSUE.

THIS WAS AN AK OF SOYUZ AGAINST WOMEN TODAY.

WE'RE GOING TO KEEP LOOKING INTO THIS.

WE'VE GOT OUR EYE ON Y'ALL. ALL Y'ALL.

>> WE'LL CONSIDER THIS OUR LAST COMMENT.

GO AHEAD AND APPROACH THE PODIUM.

STATE YOUR NAME. >> HI, I'M BEVERLY CLARK.

TO A LAY PERSON FROM YOUR AUDIENCE, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ON ONE SIDE GOING THIS IS CONVENIENT, WE CAN USE ROADS AND IT WILL ALL BE SIMPLE OR REPRESENT THE PEOPLE.

I'M FOR REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

LET ME SEE. NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.

YEAH, IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. I MAKE SURE I SYNCHRONIZE THE DESCRIPTION ON THE AGENDA. BACK TO YOU, COMMISSIONER

INGALSBE. >> JUDGE, WE CAME OUT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I GUESS WE WERE OUT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING WHEN I MADE THAT MOTION. SO I GUESS WE'RE IN THE --

>> RESTATE. >> OKAY.

>> SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE MAP M-9 FOR OUR NEW REDISTRICTING MAP FOR COMMISSIONER PRECINCTS.

>> AND I SECONDED THAT MOTION. WE'RE IN CONVERSATION POINT.

AND JUST TO CATCH EVERYONE UP, BEFORE OUR BREAK, COMMISSIONER JONES SUGGESTED STEVE FLOYD -- I DON'T SEE HIM.

THERE OU ARE. SORRY.

I'M LOOKING OVER THERE. TO WORK ON THAT M-9 THAT YOU JUST MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SO THAT IT BECOMES MORE AGREE YOU BELIEVE -- AGREEABLE IS THE EASIEST WORD.

WE CREATE MORE BALANCE IN POPULATION.

REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE IS THE KEY IN MY OPINION.

I BELIEVE SINCERELY THAT THE PERCENTAGES OF POPULATION SHOULD BE MORE BALANCED THAN THEY ARE IN OTHER SETTINGS.

BALANCE IS MY GOAL. OKAY.

SO COMMISSIONER JONES, THAT WAS YOUR SUGGESTION.

DO YOU WANT TO START WITH A SUGGESTION FOR THE M-9.

CAN WE PULL UP AN M-9 MAP, MR. FLOYD?

>> JUST TAKE A QUESTION. TO WORK ON IT, I MEAN, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. MY QUESTION IS TO AMEND THAT

MAP, WE WOULD HAVE TO -- >> MAKE AN AMENDMENT.

ONCE WE AGREE ON WHAT'S BEING AMENDED, YEAH.

>> WELL, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO AGREE THAT WOULD BE THE MAP WE

START WITH. >> THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION WAS FOR. SO FAR.

DO YOU WANT TO SAY -- >> WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT.

COMMISSIONER JONES SUGGESTED. AND I HEARD NO OPPOSITION.

I COULD CALL THE VOTE TO WORK ON THIS MAP.

>> I'M ASKING A PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE QUESTION.

>> THE CURRENT MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO ADOPT M-9.

>> YEP. >> BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING, COMMISSIONER JONES HAD OFFERED A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE SINCE THE MOTION WAS RE-URGED.

BUT. IF THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IS OFFERED BY THE PERSON MAKING THE MOTION AND THE PERSON MAKING THE

SECOND, THAT CAN HAPPEN. >> OKAY.

TO LOOK AT THE LINES TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME ADJUSTMENTS THAT

CAN BE MADE TO >> EVENTUALLY WHERE THOSE LINES

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ARE. DO WE NEED A VOTE ON THAT FIRST, BEFORE WE MAKE ANY TYPES OF ADJUSTMENTS OR TRY TO ATTEMPT

TO. >> OUR QUESTION IS OUR STARTING

APPOINT. >> I UNDERSTAND.

>> THE MOTIONS A TO ACCEPT # -- THE SUGGESTION WAS TO EDIT M-9.

SO THAT WAS THE TRAJECTORY. IF YOU WANT TO CALL TO VOTE ON WHAT MAP TO EDIT, WE CAN DO THAT, TOO.

>> I THINK THAT -- I THINK IN ORDER TO EDIT, WE WOULD HAVE TO.

I'M ASKING A PARLIAMENTARY QUESTION.

>> LET ME SPEAK FROM A PRACTICAL POINT OF VIEW AND JUST SAY ON STEVE FLOYD'S BEHALF THAT GIVEN THE SOFTWARE THAT HE IS USING AND GIVEN THAT I HAVE WATCHED HIM A COUPLE OF TIMES TRY TO USE THIS SOFTWARE REAL-TIME, IT IS NOT LIKELY GOING TO GO WELL THIS EXERCISE. BUT YOU CAN -- FROM A PARLIAMENTARY STANDPOINT, I THINK LOOK, WHAT I'M THEY WERE INTERPRETING IS COMMISSIONER JONES WOULD RATHER SEE M-9 EDITED. BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT, YOU'VE ACCEPTED THAT. YOU'RE SORT OF TABLING YOUR MOTION FOR THE TIME BEING UNTIL THERE'S A VARIATION -- THAT YOU

CAN THEN MAKE THE MOTION ON. >> SOUNDS GOOD.

MOVE FORWARD THEN. THAT MOTION.

>> WE CAN VOTE ON -- IF YOU WANT, WE CAN VOTE ON THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON M-9. I STILL SAY THIS IS NOT GOING TO GO WELL FOR STEVE'S SAKE. BUT LET'S TRY IT.

>> I JUST DON'T WANT TO MOVE UP HIS RETIREMENT DATE IN ANY WAY.

[LAUGHTER] I'M FINE IF THERE'S CHANGES.

IF THERE'S PROPOSED CHANGES, THAT'S PART --

>> LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN WORK OUT.

>>> THE WORKSHOP. >> AS THE CHAIR, I'M GOING TO RECAP WHAT'S GOING ON HERE FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC.

WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.

AND THEN WE HAD A SUGGESTION TO EDIT BEFORE WE CALL THE VOTE.

THEN I JUST HEARD ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE UNDERTAKING AT THIS MOMENT.

AND COMMISSIONER SHELL SAYING I AGREE.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS. EDITING OF THIS MAP.

SO AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED.

SO NOW MY QUESTION IS TO HERD CATS, HOW DO I BEST START FEEDING STEVE DIRECTION BY THIS COURT ON WHAT TO DO NEXT? SO COMMISSIONER APP, IT'S YOUR MOTION.

WOULD TYPE OF EDIT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE?

I'LL GO STRAIGHT DOWN. >> LET'S SEE.

IF YOU -- BLOW UP THAT -- THE M-9.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT I REALLY HAVE ON THIS MAP ANY EDITS THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE. I THINK I'M FINE.

>> OKAY. >> ALTHOUGH I THINK THERE ARE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COURT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

>> SURE, COMMISSIONER JONES, WHAT DO YOU SEE IN MIND TO HAVE

M-9 AS A VOTEABLE MAP FOR YOU? >> AND AGAIN, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO MAKE IT A VOTEABLE MAP FOR ME.

SOME CHANGES I WOULD MAKE AS A PRECINCT 2 COMMISSIONER.

IT'S NOT IN MY PRECINCT, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE COLLEGE HAS MORE IN COMMON WITH THE CITY OF SAN MARCOS THAN PRECINCT 3.

THAT'S THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OTHER TWO MAPS AND THAT'S WHY I -- I'M MORE SUPPORTIVE OF THE OTHER ONE RIGHT NOW. FOR PRECINCT 2 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE 225 MOVED INTO THERE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF NUMBERS. BASICALLY THE MOUNTAIN CITY AND

INDIAN HILLS. >> YOU HAVE TO BLOW THAT UP

MORE. >> COMMISSIONER JONES IS SUGGESTING -- I'M RECAP EVERYTHING THE BEST WE CAN, SO WE DON'T LOSE YOU GUYS. EASY FOR ME TO GET LOST.

I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY ANYTHING. BUT HE'S SUGGEST -- COMMISSIONER

JONES IS MOVING 225. >> IF WE WERE LOOKING AT C.C. 2, I WOULD BE ASKING THE SAME THING ALSO.

>> IT'S A UNIFORM QUESTION ASK THAT COMMISSIONER JONES IS

HAVING. >> CAN YOU BLOW UP THE MAP MORE.

MOUNTAIN CITY DID SPEAK, A REPRESENTATIVE DID SPEAK.

>> IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE. MOUNTAIN CITY.

BY MY OFFICE. >> I WANT TO SAY THIS PUBLICLY.

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THIS TWEAK THAT YOU JUST OFFERED.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OWNERSHIP IN MOUNTAIN CITY.

IT'S ON THE MAP RIGHT NOW IN MY PRECINCT.

THERE WAS A CONSTITUENT THAT SAID WE WANT TO REMAIN IN PRECINCT 2. I'M COMPLETELY FINE WITH THAT.

I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT, AS WE START TO LOSE -- MAKE THESE SMALL TWEAKS, THE JUDGE MADE A CLEAR POINT.

WELL, HIS VIEW -- MY PRECINCT IS ALREADY UNDERPOPULATED.

THE FIRST THING THAT YOU DO -- THE FIRST THING -- ADJUSTMENT WE WOULD MAKE IS MAKE IT MORE UNDER POPULATED.

>> UNDERPOPULATED IN M-9? IN THIS MAP?

>> YEP. >> MY REFERENCE THAT I WAS REFERENCING WERE IN THE COMMISSIONER SHELL'S MAP.

>> I WAS JUST SAYING, AS WE MOVE MOVE, IT'S GOING TO SHIFT SIGNIFICANTLY. AND IT WOULD MAKE ME EVEN -- IT WOULD GIVE ME A FURTHER -- ON THE POPULATION.

ON M-9. I'M JUST SAYING.

WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT AS WE LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL CHANGES.

BECAUSE THE REAL PROBLEM WITH VOTING WITH INDIVIDUAL CENSUS BLOCKS AND PRECINCTS OVERALL. I MEAN, WE CAN LOOK AT PRECINCTS. WE HAVE CERTAIN PRECINCTS IN OUR COUNTY. I'VE GOT ONE IN MY -- IN MY COMMISSIONER'S PRECINCT RIGHT NOW THAT HAS LESS THAN 60 PEOPLE IN IT. I'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE THAT'S CAPPED OUT AT 5,000. WHEN WE LOOK AT ONE INDIVIDUAL PRECINCT OR ONE INDIVIDUAL VOTING BLOCKS.

THEY HAVE AS FEW AS TEN PEOPLE IN THEM.

SOME OF THEM HAVE WE JUST HAVE TO BE VERY COGNIZANT WHEN WE MAKE THOSE SMALL ADJUSTMENTS THAT THEY CAN MAKE BIG

ADJUSTMENTS OVERALL. >> JUST KNOW THAT THE MAP THAT IS BEING TWEAKED AT THIS MOMENT, WHICH WON'T LIVE LONG, AND I UNDERSTAND AND I AGREE, TO CONTINUE TWEAKING AT THIS FORMAT, IN THIS SPACE. THE VARIATION BETWEEN 1 AND 4 AS I REFERENCED EARLIER TO KEEP IT THE SAME.

.6 ON ONE AND MINUS .6 ON YOURS. SO THERE'S A SMALLER GAP.

BUT YOUR POINT IS STILL WELL TAKEN.

I WANT TO ASK YOU THIS, COMMISSIONERS.

WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN -- TO KEEP THIS THING MOVING AND GIVE IT THE TIME AND SPACE IT DESERVES, BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY CLEARLY CARES. IF WE CREATE A SPECIAL MEETING/WORKSHOP AND VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALL IN PUBLIC WORK ON DELIBERATELY AND IN FRONT OF THE VIEWING PUBLIC, TO KEEP WHAT I HEARD SO MUCH, FAIR AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS.

THE FIVE OF US BEFORE THIS ON AN AGENDA ITEM EXCLUSIVELY FOR THIS. JUST TO FINISH THESE DETAILS OUT AND WORK THIS OUT. SO THAT WE CAN GIVE THE PROPER TIME AND THE REST OF THE COUNTY'S BUSINESS CAN KEEP

MOVING. >> JUDGE, I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON COMMISSIONER SMITH. I UNDERSTAND.

THAT'S WHY THE PART THAT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.

NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE. I HAVE LARGE, LARGE GROUPS OF SUBDIVISIONS THAT WOULD LOVE FOR ME TO BE FIGHTING TO KEEP THEM IN PRECINCT 2. I KNOW THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE.

THAT'S WHY I WENT TO A SMALLER AREA.

BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S NO WAY TO MOVE THE LARGE POPULATIONS THAT

WOULD LIKE TO STAY. >> YES, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER INGALSBE, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE IDEA TO RESCIND YOUR MOTION AND CREATE A WORKSHOP FOR -- MR. KENNEDY, I WOULD HAVE TO ASK HIM. I DON'T WANT TO PUT STEVE ON THE HOTSEAT, WHATEVER DESCRIPTOR YOU WANT.

CREATE THE SPACE EXCLUSIVELY FOR THIS ITEM AND VOTE ON THE SAME ITEM. IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD DO,

MR. KENNEDY? >> I WAS IN THE ROTUNDA FOR PART OF THIS CONVERSATION. MY APOLOGIES.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RESCHEDULING A WORKSHOP FOR ANOTHER DATE, IS THAT RIGHT? ROLLING OVER TO TOMORROW?

>> SINCE -- FOR THE VERY NEAREST MOST NECESSARY DATE, SO WE CAN -- NOT HOLD HOSTAGE THE REST OF THE COUNTY BUSINESS.

>> OKAY. >> FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM.

>> SO WE CAN -- WITH 72 HOURS NOTICE, GET A FRIDAY AFTERNOON TIME SLOT. 28 BE A PUSH.

WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE AND RECENTLY ON OTHER ITEMS.

>> I'LL BE OUT OF TOWN ON FRIDAY.

>> OKAY. >> YOU TALKED ABOUT ROLLING OVER, THOUGH. CAN WE JUST --

>> THIS ITEM CAN BE ROLLED OVER TO THE NEXT DAY, IF -- WITH THE

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SAME POSTING. BUT NOT LATER.

>> OKAY. >> SO IF WE ROLL THIS OVER TO TOMORROW TO CONTINUE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK IN PUBLIC, WITHOUT -- I FEEL BAD SAYING THIS, HOLDING THE REST OF THE COUNTY BUSINESS HOSTAGE. WOULD YOU BE OKAY GIVING ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS EFFORT? IS THAT A GOOD IDEA? DO THE COMMISSIONERS?

>> I'M AVAILABLE TOMORROW. >> I'M FINE.

I DON'T EVEN MIND STAYING LATE TONIGHT TO DO EVEN MORE WORK.

WHATEVER. >> YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT ROLLING THE ITEM OVER UNTIL LATER IN THE AGENDA, IF YOU WANT TO TABLE THE ITEM FOR NOW.

>> OKAY. DO WE WANT TO KEEP GOING?

>> IF WE'RE HAVING DIFFICULTIES HERE, I'M WILLING TO BRING IT

BACK UP LATER. >> ONE REQUEST HAS BEEN MADE.

LET'S SEE HOW LONG IT TAKES TO MAKE THE ONE REQUEST COME TO LIGHT. STEVE, ARE YOU ABLE TO MAKE THE

ONE REQUEST EASILY MODIFIABLE? >> YES.

>> LEAVING IT WHERE IT CURRENTLY SITS? YES, SIR. [INAUDIBLE].

>> I JUST WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE DIFFERENT KALEIDOSCOPE ANGLES AND SENATESES. --

SURFACES. >> IT'S GOT 1500 REGISTERED VOTERS IN IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POPULATION IS. THAT WHOLE BOX -- YEAH.

>> THAT'S GOING TO DEFINITELY I WOULD ASSUME THROW YOU OUT OF

BALANCE. >> AND WE DO HAVE OUR HIRED PROFESSIONAL MR. BASS HERE STILL IF YOU WANT TO ASK HIM A QUESTION ABOUT -- FOR A FEW MORE MOMENTS I GUESS.

FATHER JUST TO CONTINUE, WHILE THEY'RE CLICKING ON THOSE THINGS, WE HAVE -- ANY OTHER REQUESTS, COMMISSIONER JONES, ON

THAT MAP. >> LIKE I SAID --

>> A BUNCH I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. I KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT

FEASIBLE. >> THAT WOULD BE THE MOST

SIGNIFICANT ONE. >> THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY TWEAK.

YES. >> WHAT TWEAKS WOULD MAKE IT A BETTER MAP? I DON'T KNOW WHAT -- A MORE USEABLE MAP FOR YOUR LENS. WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD -- EDIT.

>> I MEAN, I KIND OF C.C. 2 IS KIND OF MY ATTEMPT.

AND AGAIN I APOLOGIZE -- FOR THAT PROCESS IN WHICH IT WAS.

EVERY TEN YEARS WE HAVE TO DO THIS.

WE WERE UP AGAINST IT AS FAR AS TIME GOES.

I TOOK THE INPUT FROM THE COMMENTS AND THE MEETINGS ABOUT COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST. THAT WAS MY ATTEMPT TO BALANCE THOSE ALONG WITH POPULATION AND TAKE CARE OF PRESERVING HISPANIC MAJORITY PRECINCT AND CREATING ANOTHER ONE.

THAT'S KIND OF C.C. 2 IS MY -- >> VERSION OF IT.

>> VERSION OF WHAT I COULD COME UP WITH.

WE'VE KIND OF SET THE CITY LIMIT LINES, IT -- YOU KNOW, WE TWEAKED OUTSIDE OF THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING BALANCED AS FAR AS THE POPULATION GOES. SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO IT.

>> I THINK IT'S THE WRONG STARTING POINT.

AGAIN JUST LOOKING AT IT. JUST LOOKING -- AND I RESPECTFULLY -- MY COLLEAGUE COMMISSIONER JONES.

I'M LOOKING AT THAT. AND IF HE WE PULL OUT THE ONE CENSUS BLOCK, IF IT'S 1500, DROPS THE POPULATION OF PRECINCT 4 SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THE OTHER -- I MEAN, SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THE OTHER PRECINCTS.

TO YOUR POINT, JUDGE, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY I WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED IN MAKE CHAG I THINK THAT, IT DIDN'T -- IT WOULD ABSOLUTELY DROP THE MINORITY PERCENTAGE IN PRECINCT

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2 AS WELL. IT WOULD HAVE A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT ON THAT. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING --

>> ADDING THE 1,000 OR 1500 PEOPLE.

>> 1500 WOULD HAVE A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT ON THE MINORITY

PERCENTAGE IN PRECINCT 2. >> THAT WAS REGISTERED VOTERS IN 225. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CENSUS BLOCKS ARE. AND HOW SMALL THAT COULD BE.

>> JUST KNOWING THAT COMMUNITY, IT'S A MAJORITY -- I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN IT'S A MAJORITY ANGLO COMMUNITY.

ADDING THOSE BACK IN, IT WOULD -- IT WOULD DEFINITELY TAKE -- IT WOULD LOWER THE MINORITY PERCENTAGE IN TWO.

>> ONE WOULD HAVE TO LOWER IT. >> THAT'S KIND OF THE GIVE --

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. >> I YIELD SOME OF THAT MINORITY

REPRESENTATION THAT'S BEEN -- >> PUT IN ONE.

>> STEVE, NOT TO PUT EVERYONE'S EYES ON YOU, BUT I WANTED TO ASK YOU. WERE YOU ABLE TO MAKE THAT

TWEAK? >> WELL, I HAVE MADE THAT -- AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE TABLE THIS FOR A MOMENT. WE'LL CALL IT A MOMENT.

IT COULD BLEED ON TO THE END OF THE AGENDA OR AS LATE AS TOMORROW. AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THE REST. BUT WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED AND WE WILL -- WE'RE NOT GETTING AWAY FROM THIS.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE AT THIS MOMENT.

WITH THESE CONDITIONS. TO HOLD -- I HATE TO THINK OF THIS WORD, HOLD EVERYBODY HOSTAGE HERE WHILE WE SLOWLY SHIFT BOX. THAT'S JUST NOT USEABLE.

THAT'S NOT PRACTICAL. SO I HOPE NO ONE FEELS SNUBBED, DISREGARDED OR THEIR TIME WASTED.

BUT IF YOU COULD GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO TABLE THIS FOR A MINUTE AND KEEP GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA.

WE COULD FIND ANOTHER SETTING LATER ON, AT THE END OF THE AGENDA OR MOVE OVER TO TOMORROW TO HAVE THE REST OF THE DISCUSSION. I WILL ABSOLUTELY FIND A WAY TO LET YOU KNOW. THANK YOU, MR. BASS.

SO FOR RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON A MAP RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE JUST NOT. OKAY.

SOUND GOOD, MR. KENNEDY. WE'LL TABLE THE MOTION.

[Items 2 - 8]

SO IF YOU'LL PLEASE OPEN AGENDA ITEMS 2-8.

>> 2, APPROVE PAYMENTS OF COUNTY INVOICES.

3, APPROVE PAYMENTS OF JUROR CHECKS.

4, APPROVE THE PAYMENT OF THE UNITED HEALTH CARE CLAIMS. 5, APPROVE COMMISSIONERS' COURT MINUTES OF AUGUST 24TH, 2021, AND AUGUST 27TH, 2021. 6, APPROVE THE PAYMENT OF THE NOVEMBER 15TH, 2021, PAYROLL DISBURSEMENTS IN AN NOT TO EXCEED $3,275,000 EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER 15TH, 2021.

AND POST TOTALS FOR WAGES, WITHHOLDINGS, DEDUCTIONS AND BENEFITS ON THE HAYS COUNTY WEBSITE ONCE FINALIZED.

7, APPROVE THE REAPPOINTMENT OF COMMISSIONER LON SHELL TO THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE COMFORT NUMBER 4, KISSING TREE DEVELOPMENT BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR A TWO-YEAR TERM EXPIRING ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2023. APPROVE THE REASSIGN THE -- REAPPOINTMENT OF DEBBIE INGALSBE.

FOR A TWO-YEAR TERM EXPIRING DECEMBER 31ST, 2021.

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

[9.Approve the cancellation of the Hays County Commissioners Court on the following dates in 2022: January 11 and 25, February 8 and 22, March 1 and 15, April 5 and 19, May 3, 17 and 31, June 14 and 28, July 12 and 26, August 23, September 6, October 4 and 18, November 8 and 29, December 13 and 27. INGALSBE]

APPROVE THE CANCELLATION OF THE HAYS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' COURT ON THE FOLLOWING DATES IN 2022. JANUARY 1ST AND 25TH.

FEBRUARY 8 AND 22. MARCH 1 AND.

15. APRIL 5 AND 19.

MAY 3RD, 17TH AND 31ST. JUNE IS THISTH AND 28TH.

JULY 12TH AND 26TH. AUGUST 23RD, SEPTEMBER 6TH.

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OCTOBER 4TH AND 18TH. NOVEMBER 8TH AND 29TH.

DECEMBER 13TH AND 27TH. >> JUDGE, SHE SAID JANUA JANUARY 1ST. IS IT JANUARY 11TH OR 1ST?

>> IT'S 11TH. >> ANITA, HAD TO REVIEW THE DATES AND HAD A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS.

>> SURE. >> ANITA COLLINS, OFFICE OF THE HAYS COUNTY JUDGE. THANK YOU.

SO THE DATES FOR PROPOSED JANUARY 11TH AND 25TH, I FEEL THAT JANUARY 4TH AND 18TH MIGHT BE BETTER DATES TO TAKE OFF, BECAUSE THE COUNTY HOLIDAY, THE MONDAY BEFORE IS ON THE 3RD. THERE'S A COUNTY HOLIDAY ON THE 3RD. THEN THAT'S A MONDAY.

SO THERE'S NO TIME TO PREPARE FOR COURT ON TUESDAY.

SO -- AND THEN THE 17TH IS M.L.K. DAY.

SO THAT'S THE MONDAY BEFORE THE 18TH.

AND SO THAT WOULD GIVE US -- WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PREPARE FOR

COURT. >> YEAH.

, JUDGE, I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW.

BUT I KNOW THAT I DID WORK CLOSELY WITH THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE ALSO TO LOOK AT THOSE DATES.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK NEXT -- THE EN END OF THE YEAR IS CANCE.

IT WOULD BE BACK-TO-BACK. YEAH.

>> I THINK THAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR, TOO.

>> SO THAT WOULDN'T WORK. IT WOULD BE BACK-TO-BACK CANCELLATIONS. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING

TO AVOID. >> RIGHT.

>> YEAH. >> THE 4TH AND THE 18TH.

>> WOULD NOT BE BACK-TO-BACK. BUT, ANYWAY.

>> WELL, WE'RE NOT MEETING ON DECEMBER 28TH AND SO THE 4TH

-- THAT WOULD BE A BACK-TO-BACK. >> OH, I SEE.

>> I GUESS MY POINT IS. MONDAY HOLIDAYS DO NOT PROVIDE US ENOUGH TIME TO PREPARE FOR COURT FOR THE FOLLOWING TUESDAY.

SO IF THERE'S A MONDAY HOLIDAY, I GUESS IT WOULD BE IDEAL IF WE DID NOT HAVE COURT THE FOLLOWING TUESDAY.

AND THEN FRIDAY HOLIDAYS DO NOT ALLOW TIME FOR THE AGENDA TO BE POSTED EITHER, WHICH IS THE CASE ON -- IN NOVEMBER OF NEXT YEAR.

BECAUSE THE FRIDAY THE 1 11TH IS VETERANS DAY.

AND THEN THE FRIDAY THE 25TH IS THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY.

>> TRADITIONALLY WE -- ON THOSE DATES DON'T WE SUBMIT -- WE POST IT ON THURSDAY INSTEAD OF FRIDAY, CORRECT.

>> YES. I MEAN, AND LIKE I SAID, I'M SO SORRY. I JUST DON'T HAVE THE WORKING DOCUMENT THAT I HAD DOING THIS IN FRONT OF ME.

>> ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

>> I CAN GIVE THIS TO YOU LATER. >> OKAY.

OKAY. WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE IF WE NEED

TO. >> OKAY.

>> THANK YOU, ANITA. THANK YOU.

AND I ALSO HAVE COMMENTS. MR. RODRIGO AMIA.

>> THANK YOU, JUDGE, COURT. I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS. TODAY'S COURT, YOU KNOW, I'M AMERICAN, I'M FAIR, TRANSPARENCY.

ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT POPPED UP CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THE COURT NEED AS LOT OF IMPROVEMENT. YOU KNOW, WHY YOU GOT TO TAKE IT ALL. YOU NEED ALL OF THE HELP YOU CAN GET. I MEAN, LOTS OF IMPROVEMENTS, COURT. THAT'S WHY I STRONGLY -- YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING WHAT TO DO WITH MY TUESDAYS WHEN THIS COURT DOESN'T MEET.

SO DOES MR. LION. WE TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.

I ENJOY COMING UP HERE EVERY TUESDAY AND RELAYING THE CONCERNS TO CONSTITUENTS OF HAYS COUNTY.

AGAIN I'VE GOT A LIST OF JUST -- UNPOSITIVE REALLY.

LACK OF RESPECT FOR THE TAXPAYERS.

COUNCILLOR COMING UP HERE, YOU ASK HIM ABOUT HIS ELECTIONS PRECINCT REDISTRICTING. HE'S UP IN THE ROTUNDA.

>> POINT OF ORDER. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> AND PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> JUDGE, ONE ITEM OF DISCUSSION.

JUST BECAUSE WE'RE NOT HAVING COURT, DOES NOT MEAN WE'RE NOT WORKING. OUR STAFF IS STILL WORKING ON THOSE DAYS. IT'S NOT A HOLIDAY.

WE'RE JUST NOT HAVING COURT ON THOSE DAYS.

[Items 10 -16]

>> 10, RATIFY THE CONFIRMATION OF THE APPOINTMENTS OF LEIA BOGGS AS RESERVE DEPUTY CONSTABLE AND TRAVIS BERTRAM IN THE PRECINCT 1 OFFICE, EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER 2ND, 2021.

11, APPROVE THE UTILITY PERSONALS.

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12, RATIFY THE SUBMISSION OF A GRANT APPLICATION TO THE TEXAS VETERANS COMMISSION, VETERAN COUNTY SERVICE OFFICER FUNDING IN THE AMOUNT OF $150,000. 13, RATIFY THE SUBMISION OF A GRANT APPLICATION TO THE TEXAS VETERANS COMMISSION, VETERANS TREATMENT COURT PROGRAM IN THE AMOUNT OF $300,000.

14, AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF AMENDMENT NUMBER 5 TO THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE CONTRACT NUMBER 18-421-000-B130 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT DISASTER RECOVERY PROGRAM HOUSING PROJECTS NON-RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT 2015 FLOOD ALLOCATION. 15, APPROVE RENEWAL OF R.F.P.2018-P03 COUNTYWIDE PLUMS SERVICES WITH S.I. MECHANICAL WITH TO ONE ADDITIONAL YEAR AS STATED IN THE ORIGINAL BID.

16, AUTHORIZE THE COMMISSION OF PRECINCT 2 OFFICE TO UTILIZE COMMUNITY PROGRAM FUNDS FOR CONSUMABLE ITEMS NOT TO EXCEED $120 TO HOST A MEETING RELATED TO THE MENTAL HEALTH DIRECTOR

POSITION. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >>

[Items 17, 18, 19, 20, 22]

17-22, EXCLUDING 21. >> 17, APPROVE THE REAPPOINTS OF SILVER GAR DA AND DON CURRY TO THE BOARD OF DRIFTWOOD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT FOR FOUR-YEAR TERMS ENDING JUNE 30TH, 2025. 18, ACCEPT $775 IN GRANTS AND CONTRIBUTIONS ON THE BEHALF OF THE HAYS COUNTY CHILD PROTECTIVE BOARD AND AMEND THE BUDGET ACCORDINGLY.

19, AUTHORIZE THE ISSUANCE OF A CREDIT CARD TO THE VETERANS DAY ADMINISTRATION OFFICE IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $3,500 FROM THE COUNTY DEPOSITORY BANK FOR PROGRAMS RELATED TO FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FOR HAYS COUNTY VETERANS.

208, RATIFY THE EXECUTED AGREEMENT BETWEEN HAYS COUNTY AND H.D.R. ARCHITECTURE INC. CAN BE TO INCLUDE ARTICLES 11.1 AND 13.2.4 WHICH WERE INADVERTENTLY OMITTED.

22, APPROVE THE SUPPOSEFICATIONS RELATED TO PROPOSED ACQUISITION OR USE OF COUNTY-OWNED PROPERTY AT CLOVIS BARKER ROAD AND CIVIC CENTER LOOP AUTHORIZED ADVERTISING.

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

AND DO WE HAVE ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22?

>> SPECIFICALLY ON 22 YOU HAVE A DRAFT R.F.P. SPECIFICATION AND BACKUP. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CORRECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO THE DRAFT, WHICH WAS DONE QUICKLY LAST WEEK. SOME OF IT IS NON-SUBSTANTIVE, INCLUDING TITLE CHANGES. BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME RECONCILIATION OF DATES. THE DATE OF ISSUANCE IS LISTED AS NOVEMBER 10TH. AND I BELIEVE PURCHASING CANNOT GET THAT OUT UNTIL NOVEMBER 11 PTSD.

SO THAT WOULD CHANGE -- WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO THE TABLE OF CONTENTS, SO THAT PAGINATION IS DIRECT.

THE Q&A DATE WHICH ENDS NOVEMBEI BELIEVE NEEDS TO BE RECONCILED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE DOCUMENT. AND WE NEED TO RECONCILE SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IN SECTION D. THE SUBSTANCE OF THE R.F.P.

WOULD REMAIN THE SAME. HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU

HAVE THEM. >> I'M FINE WITH THOSE CHANGES.

>> YEAH. ME, TOO.

>> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> JUDGE, I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE WEMBERLY FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH

>> AND THE CITY OF BUDA. >> FOR THE PRESENTATION AS WELL.

>> WE APPRECIATE THAT. >> YEAH.

ABSOLUTELY. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

[23.Discussion and possible action to call for a public hearing on November 23, 2021 to reduce the current speed limit of 35 MPH to 30 MPH on Crosswinds Parkway in Crosswinds subdivision from Windy Hill Road to Nautical Loop, per a recent traffic study. INGALSBE/BORCHERDING ]

>> 23, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO CALL FOR A PUBLIC

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HEARING ON NOVEMBER 23RD, 2021, TO REDUCE THE CURRENT SPEED LIMIT OF 35 MILES PER HOUR TO 30 MILES PER HOUR ON CROSSWINDS PARKWAY IN CAP CROSS WINDS SUBDIVISION FROM WIND WHEN HILL ROAD. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

[24.Discussion and possible action to call for a public hearing on November 23, 2021 to establish a 3-way stop location on Campo Del Sol Parkway at the intersection of Satsuma Drive in Sunfield subdivision. JONES/BORCHERDING]

[25.Discussion and possible action to authorize the execution of Change Order No. 3 with LJA Engineering, Inc. related to the Cotton Gin Road project. JONES/T.CRUMLEY]

[26.PLN-1798-PC; Call for a Public Hearing on November 23, 2021 to discuss possible action regarding the Hurlbut Ranch West, Lot 17A, Replat. SMITH/MACHACEK]

>> CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 23RD, 2021.

TO DISCUSS POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE RANCH WEST LOT

17A REPLAT. >> SO MOVED.

Y , SECOND. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

[27.Discussion and possible action to authorize Myers Concrete Construction to lay a concrete dumpster pad, repair a concrete wall, and demo an existing wall located at the Hays County Recycling and Solid Waste Facility in Wimberley in the amount of $18,330 and amend the budget accordingly. SHELL/T.CRUMLEY]

>> 27, DISCUSSION ON POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORITY MEYERS CONCRETE CONSTRUCTION TO LAY A CONCRETE DUMPSTER PAD, REPAIR A CONCRETE WALL, AND DEMO AN EXISTING HAUL LOCATED AT THE HAYS COUNTY RECYCLING AND SOLID WASTE FACILITY IN WIMBERLEY.

AND AMENDS THE BUDGET ACCORDINGLY.

>> COMMISSIONER JONES.

[28.Discussion and possible action to adopt a resolution to cast Hays County's 1,469 votes for Jenifer O'Kane, candidate for the Hays Central Appraisal District Board of Directors. SHELL ]

>> PLEASE OPEN 28. 28, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION TO CAST HAYS COUNTY'S 1,469 VOTES FOR JENNIFER O'KANEVERYBODY CANDIDATE FOR THE HAYS COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

>> MOTION. >> SECOND.

[29.Discussion and possible action to approve the renaming of a private driveway in Precinct 4, from Gorman Springs Rd to Oso Creek Rd. SMITH/PACHECO ]

>> 29, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE RENAMING OF A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY IN PRECINCT 4, FROM GORMAN SPRINGS ROAD TEMPERATURE TO OSO CREEK ROAD.

>> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> THANK YOU. I NOTICED YOU WERE READY.

[30.Discussion and possible action to canvass the statewide propositions for the November 2, 2021 General Election. BECERRA/ANDERSON ]

PLEASE OPEN NUMBER 30. >> 30, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO CANVAS THE STATEWIDE PROPOSITIONS FOR THE NOVEMBER

2ND, 2021, GENERAL ELECTION. >> SO MOVED.

>> SEND. >> WE HAVE MISS ANDERSON.

IF YOU WILL, STATE YOUR NAME AND TITLE FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC.

>> JENNIFER ANDERSON, HAYS COUNTY ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR.

AND SO WE'RE JUST DOING THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT PORTION OF THE ELECTION, THAT IS REQUIRED UNDER LAW FOR THE COMMISSIONERS' COURT TO CANVAS. WE HAD 155,158 REGISTERED VOTERS FOR THIS ELECTION. WE HAD 18,937 VOTERS THAT VOTED IN THIS ELECTION FOR A TURNOUT OF 12.20%, WHICH IS AT THE HIGH END FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT ELECTION.

I THINK WE'RE USUALLY -- OUR HIGHEST HAS BEEN ABOUT 13%, WE'RE USUALLY BETWEEN ABOUT 4% AND 13%.

SO THIS WAS A PRETTY GOOD TURNOUT FOR US.

AND WE HAD -- -- AND WE HAD 964 MAIL BALLOTS REQUESTED FOR THIS ELECTION. WE RECEIVED BACK 828 MAIL BALLOTS. 13 REJECTS.

WE HAD A FEW SIGNATURE ISSUES. WE HAD 18 LIMITED BALLOTS.

104 PROVISIONAL BALLOTS. AND WE HAD ACCEPTED 27 OF THOSE.

AND THEN WE HAD OUR FINAL RESULTS, WHICH I EMAILED Y'ALL THIS MORNING. AND THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE'RE

CANVASSING TODAY. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. I KNOW THAT, COMMISSIONER, WE

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TALKED ABOUT WHICH LOCATION HAD TO BE TAKEN OUT BECAUSE OF THE INCIDENT WITH LEDGESTONE DROPS. JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THE NUMBERS OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD. BY TAKING OUR TRANSPORTATION CENTER, OUR CENTER OUT AND USING SIMON ELEMENTARY, DID WE HAVE LESS TURNOUT AT SIMON THAN WE GENERALLY DO AT THE TRANSPORTATION CENTER? DID WE HAVE MUCH TURNOUT AT SIMON. I'M JUST WONDERING.

>> I DO HAVE THE TOTALS HERE. SO WE HAD 52 VOTERS AT SIMON FOR

EARLY VOTING. >> TOTAL?

>> YEAH. AND THEN WE HAD BOTH LOCATIONS ON ELECTION DAY. SO I DON'T THINK THAT WAS AN

ISSUE THERE. >> YEAH.

>> I RAN OUT OF SPACE, MISS ANDERSON, WHEN I WAS TAKING NOTES. 181 MAIL-IN BALLOTS.

AND THEN I LOST TRACK. SO THERE WAS 181 SOMETHING.

WHAT WAS THAT. >> 181,000.

>> CAN YOU REPEAT THOSE NUMBERS? >> OKAY.

SO WE HAD 18 -- MAYBE. LIMITED BALLOTS.

>> THE "L" I'M USING AS AN "I." I RAN OUT OF SPACE.

18. WHAT WAS IT AGAIN NOW?

>> LIMITED BALLOTS. OF THOSE WE ACCEPTED 27.

THE BALLOT BOARD DID. >> HOW MANY TOTAL DAYS OF EARLY VOTING WAS THERE? IT WAS THE FULL TWO WEEKS.

>> SO IT WAS -- WE HAD A SATURDAY ALSO.

>> OH, OKAY. SO IT WAS --

>> 11. >> 11 DAYS.

>> YEAH. >> ALL RIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE FROM MISS ANDERSON?

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD JOB.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, AM I RIGHT?

>> YES. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

[31.Discussion and possible action to authorize the County Judge to execute an Agreement for Executive Recruitment Services for Combined Emergency Communications Director between Hays County and Strategic Government Resources, Inc (SGR). SHELL/INGALSBE/MILLER]

>> 31. DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE TO EXECUTE AN ITEM FOR EXECUTIVE RECRUITMENT SERVICES FOR A COMBINED EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR BETWEEN HAYS COUNTY AND STRATEGIC

GOVERNMENT RESOURCES INC. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> CALL THE ROLL.

UNLESS YOU WANT TO ADD TO IT? >> THIS IS THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT.

WE APPROVED THE FUNDING. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

[36.Discussion related to the Hays County inmate population, to include current population counts and costs.BECERRA]

AND IF YOU WILL PLEASE OPEN NUMBER 36.

>> 36. DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE HAYS COUNTY INMATE POPULATION, TO INCLUDE CURRENT POPULATION

COUNTS AND COSTS. >> SO EACH WEEK THE SHERIFF OFFICE -- THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SENDS ME A REPORT.

BY THE WAY, HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHERIFF CUTLER.

HE HAD A BIRTHDAY JUST A FEW DAYS AGO.

OUR REPORT FOR OUR JAIL CAPACITY, OF COURSE, IS CURRENTLY STILL 410 INMATES. JAIL STANDARDS RECOMMENDS HOLDING 10% OF THE CAPACITY, WHICH LOWERS OUR CAPACITY TO 368. ESTIMATED COST FOR OUTSOURCING INMATES THIS WEEK IS $71,275. AVERAGE NUMBER OF OUTSOURCED MALES IS 162. AND FEMALES ARE 11.