[16. Authorize the County Judge to execute a Contract Amendment with Cox Commercial Construction, LLC. related to RM 3237 Roundabout pursuant to IFB 2021-B06.]

>> 16, AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT AMENDMENT WITH COX COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION L.L.C.RELATED TO R.M.3237 ROUTE PURSUANT TO

I.F.B.2021-B. 06. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> JUDGE BECERRA: PLEASE START THE TIMER FOR MR. AMAYA.

>> JUDGE, COURT, I WANT TO REMIND YOU ALL ABOUT THE CONVERSATION, THE PRESENTATION I GAVE Y'ALL ABOUT COX AND THEIR HISTORY WITH THE CITY.

RACHEL LEE AND ANOTHER ARE TWO INDIVIDUALS TELLING ME BECAUSE OF THESE GUY, THEY STARTED A RATING SYSTEM.

THEY DON'T WANT THEM WORKING ANYWHERE NEAR SAN MARCOS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THE COUNTY IS DETERMINED TO SIGN A CONTRACT. IT'S GOING TO BE A MESS.

I WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW THAT IT STARTS HERE.

SO YOU NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB MAKING SURE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT COME UP HERE AND WANT TO WORK WITH HAYS COUNTY HAVE A GOOD REPUTATION.

AND DO QUALITY WORK BECAUSE THE CITIZENS DO DESERVE IT.

THANK YOU. >> JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, MR. AMAYA FOR Y I FOLLOWED UP ON THAT AND I ASKED OUR DEPARTMENT HEAD IF THEY DID THE DUE DILIGENCE AND LEG WORK WE'RE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO DO.

BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE AS YOU'VE STATED WE SHOULD HIRE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING A GOOD JOB AND MAKING SURE THAT COMMUNITIES THEY REPRESENT IN THE TRANSACTIONS ARE WHOLESOME AND WE'RE SPENDING TAXPAYER DOLLARS MOST EFFICIENTLY. SO I DID LISTEN TO YOUR COMMENTS. AND ASKED THE QUESTIONINGS AND I WAS ASSURED AND REASSURED THAT WE'RE ALL GOOD. SO I HAVE TO DEPEND ON THE DEPARTMENT HEAD. I KNOW, I HAVE TO DEPEND ON THE DEPARTMENT HEAD TO LEAD THAT MESSAGE AND WE'LL OPTIMISTICALLY MOVE FORWARD. IF THERE IS NO OTHER

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COMMENCE. >> JUDGE, THIS CHANGE ADDS, THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY IN THE CONTRACT BETWEEN CALENDAR DAYS. I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY A CONFUSION BETWEEN CALENDAR DAYS AND WEEK DAY DAYS BUT THAT IS BEING CHANGED FROM 210 TO 240 DAYS.

THE OTHER WAS RETAINAGE, WE'RE INCLUDED A 5% RETAINAGE ON THE CONTRACTOR. AGAIN, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAW. THAT'S WHAT I SUPPORT WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING BY SELECTING THE LOW BID.

THEY DID RECEIVE POSITIVE REVIEWS FROM THE CITY OF SAN MARCOS. WE HAVE PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO. OUR ENGINEERING AND INSPECTION FIRM HAS WORKED WITH THIS GROUP BEFORE AND SPOKE FAIRLY HIGHLY OF THEM. AND THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE REPRESENTING THE FIRM I BELIEVE ARE DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB TO THIS POINT. SO THE LAW TAKES WE TAKE THE LOW BID, IN THIS CASE, THIS IS THE LOW BID.

WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THE LAW.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONERS BASED ON EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS WHAT I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS AGENDA ITEM, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

[Items 17 & 18]

>> JUDGE BECERRA: PLEASE OPEN 17 AND 1817 RAY PROVE RENEWAL OF R. F. P. 2021 P. 08 ELECTION FORM PRINTING SERVICES WITH AM G.PRINTING. 18, APPROVAL TO HOLD AN ON-LINE AUCTION WITH RENE BAITS AUCTIONEERS TO DISPOSITION OF SURPLUS PROPERTY PURSUANT TO TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 262.152 A. 1 AND AUTHORIZE PURCHASING MANAGER TO ADVERTISE.

APPROVE THE DISPOSAL OF PROPERTY AS AUTHORIZED PER TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 263.152 A. 3.

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: WE MOVE ON TO ROADS, OPEN 19.

[19. Hold a public hearing with possible action to remove the current stop sign on Tanzanite Circle at Calomel Trail and move it onto Calomel Trail at Tanzanite Circle in Stonefield subdivision.]

>> 19, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING WITH POSSIBLE ACTION TO REMOVE THE CURRENT STOP SIGN ON TAN ZANITE CIRCLE AT CALOMEL TRAIL AND MOVE IT ON TO CALOMEL TRAIL AT TAN ZANITE CIRCLE IN STONEFIELD SUBDIVISION.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: I WILL OPEN FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.

IF THERE IS ANYONE HEAR TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.

I SEE NO MOVEMENT. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSIONER JONES IS.

>> THIS IS TO SWITCH THE DIRECTION ONS THIS.

WE FEEL LIKE IT'S A BETTER FUNCTION ALITY OF THE INTERSECTION, WE HAVE STAFF APPROVAL.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: CAN WE GET A MOTION.

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

[20. Hold a public hearing with possible action to establish a 20 MPH speed limit on Eastern Road.]

OPEN 20. >> 20, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING WITH POSSIBLE ACTION TO ESTABLISH A 20 MILE PER HOUR

SPEED LIMIT ON EASTERN ROAD. >> NOW I'LL OPEN FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THIS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20 F. THERE IS ANYONE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS AGENDA ITEM PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.

I SEE NO MOVEMENT. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONER SHELL.

>> JUDGE, THIS ESTABLISHES 20 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT ON EASTERN ROAD. WE HAVE FULL STAFF

RECOMMENDATION. >> JUDGE BECERRA: MOTION.

>> THAT'S A MOTOR VEHICLES. >> SECOND.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

[21. Discussion and possible action to authorize the County Judge to execute Change Order #5 in the amount of $30,000 to the Professional Services Agreement between Hays County and LJA Engineering, Inc. for Right-of-Way services on the Old Bastrop Rd (CR 266) project, from Centerpoint Road to Rattler Road, in Precinct 1 as part of the Road Bond Program and authorize a discretionary exemption pursuant to Texas Local Government Code, Ch. 262.024(a)(4).]

OPEN 21. >> 21, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE TO EXECUTE CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 5 IN THE AMOUNT OF 30,000 FOR THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN HAYS COUNTY AND L.J.A.ENGINEERING INC. FOR RIGHT OF WAY SERVICES ON THE OLD BASTROP ROAD PROJECT FROM CERTAINTY POINT ROAD TO RATTLER ROAD IN PRECINCT ONE AS PART OF THE ROAD BOND PROM AND AUTHORIZE A DECISION ERR EXEDGES PURSUIT TO TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE

CHAPTER 262024A4. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> JUDGE BECERRA: WE'VE MR. DAN LYONS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, IF YOU'LL PLEASE

START A TIMER. >> THANK YOU, AGAIN, JUDGE BECERRA. I LOOKED UP THIS THING ON THE BACKUP ON PAGE 116 -- 161.

IT SAYS THE ORIGINAL WHY THE WAS 253,440 AND THE NEXT LINE, NET AMOUNT PREVIOUSLY AUTHORIZED CHANGE ORDER.

35,805. NET AMOUNT FOR THIS REQUESTED CHANGE ORDER, 30,000.

TOTAL CONTRACT AMOUNT WITH ALL CHANGE ORDERS $319,245 SO IT, IT WENT FROM 253,440 TO 319,245.

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IT SAYS ORIGINAL CONTRACT PERFORMANCE LENGTH, 365 DAYS. EXACTLY ONE YEAR.

NET PREVIOUS SCHEDULE CHANGE ORDERS 730 DAYS AND THEN WE'VE GOT A -- THAT'S TWO YEARS.

THEN YOU ADD IT UP, COMES OUT TO TOTAL PERFORMANCE DAYS WITH CHANGE ORDERS 1,095 DAYS WITH AN ORIGINAL 365 DAYS. NOW THIS IS NOT EVEN, YOU KNOW, NEEDLESS TO SAY, IT'S NOT WITHIN THE STANDARD DEVIATION. BUT IT IS NOT EVEN IN THE BALLPARK. I MEAN YOU GO FROM 365 DAYS TO 1,095 DAYS. SOMEBODY IS DROPPING THE BALL HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S L.J.A.OR IS IT MR. PORCH CHARGERRINGS.

I DON'T KNOW BUT WE HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM HERE, WHEN SOMETHING WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ONE YEAR, AND IT TURNS INTO THREE YEARS, AND THEN WHAT IS IT? IT COMES IN 65,000 OVERBUDGET. I KNOW Y'ALL ARE GOING TO SAY, WELL, THERE WAS ADDITIONAL WORK AND WE DIDN'T FIND THIS AND THEN WE FOUND IT WHEN WE GOT INTO THE PROJECT. WHAT IT DOES IS IT ALLOWS L.J.A.TO BID ON A PROJECT, THEY PUT IN A LOW BID.

THEY WIN THE CONTRACT. AND THEN OTHER FIRMS THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THE WHOLE SCOPE OF THE WORK ARE, DO NOT WIN THE CONTRACT.

SO Y'ALL NEED TO GET THIS THING TO WHERE THEY UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. AND THEY DO IT.

AND THEY DO IT ON TIME. THIS IS JUST DISGUSTING.

THAT IS PATHETIC BUT ANYWAY THAT IS MY OPINION.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, MR. LYON, COMMISSIONERS INGALSBE, I AGREE WITH OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

AND WE STARTED AT $253,000 WE'RE CREN AT $319,000.

365 DO 1095. I AGREE AND IT DOES SEEM TO BE WORTHY OF SOME CLARIFICATION.

SO I WANTED TO SEE IF YOU HAD ANY OR WE COULD CHECK

WITH MR. -- >> SO, JUDGE, THERE HAS BEEN A COUPLE OF PARCELLS THAT HAVE PROVEN TO BE VERY CHALLENGING ON THIS PROBLEM. THERE IS AN ESTATE AND IT HAS TAKEN A LONG AMOUNT OF TIME TO STRAIGHTEN THOSE THINGS OUT. I APPRECIATE THE RIGHT OF WAY AGENT WHO HAS REALLY DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB IN WORKING WITH THE FAMILY. I THINK THAT THAT COUNTS FOR A LOT WHEN YOU HAVE A RIGHT OF WAY AGENT THAT IS ABLE TO GO IN THERE AND JUST KIND OF WORK THROUGH ALL THESE ISSUES. HE HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB. IT JUST HAS BEEN, IT HAS TAKEN A LOT OF ADDITIONAL WORK AND COORDINATION DEALING WITH THE ISSUES. WE ALSO HAD A SEPTIC TANK THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT IS GOING TO BE AFFECTED.

AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THOSE ISSUES.

SOMETIMES THEY JUST PROVE CHALLENGING TO DO THOSE THINGS. SO THAT IS THE REASON FOR THE ADDITIONAL $30,000 BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE. AS FAR AS THE INCREASED NUMBER OF DAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT -- EXCUSE ME, CAN SPEAK TO THAT FULLY. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF THESE TYPES OF CHALLENGES. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF RAIN DAYS THAT HAS EXTENDED THE WORK THAT HAS NEEDED TO BE DONE.

BUT I CAN CERTAINLY ASK FOR MORE CLARIFICATION ON THE

DELAYS IF YOU WOULD LIKE. >> JUDGE BECERRA: THAT WOULD BE USEFUL. I'M SURE MR. PORCHERING

COULD -- >> OKAY.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: THE LAST PIECE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT HE COMMUNICATE WOULD BE THE WHOLE LOW BID THING AND HOW THE ORE BIDS CAME IN WHEN THEY WON THIS

ONE. >> I CAN ANSWER SOME OF

THAT. >> JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. SHORTEN THE CYCLE ON THAT.

>> THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, TO THE I.F.B.AND I.F.B.THAT IS DONE WHEN WE SELECT A CONTRACTOR TO PERFORM CONSTRUCTION WORK IS DONE AS A LOW BID.

SO ESPECIALLY THE LAST ONE WE DISCUSSED THAT WAS THE ROUTE 1523 3237. THOSE ARE STATE ROADS.

BY FOLLOW STATE PROCESS. SOMETIMES THE STATE WILL LEAD A PROJECT SOMETIMES COUNTY BUT IT'S CONIN A FAIRLY ORGANIZED WAY. THERE IS A PACKAGE PUT OUT.

IT'S ADVERTISED. ANYONE WISHING TO RESPOND DOES THEIR CRAIGS BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD. THEY'RE TAKING A RISK --

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IT'S NOT TO SAY THERE IS NOT CHANGE ORDERS IN CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, THERE ARE.

YOU FIND THINGS IN CERTAIN AREAS THAT SOMEONE DIDN'T PREDICT F. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS LEFT OUT OF THAT BID PACKAGE, THAT'S WHAT WE COME BACK TO COURT.

IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CONTRACTOR SAID I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO COST $1,000 AND IT COST THEM $10,000 THAT IS AT THE RISK OF THE CONTRACTOR.

THOSE ARE DONE AS LOW BID. WHEN WE SELECT FIRMS TO DO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES LIKE ENGINEERING WORK, PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING, DESIGN, RIGHT OF WAY SERVICES, THINGS LIKES THAT, WE, THEY ARE SELECTED ON THEIR QUALIFICATION, THAT IS BY THE LAW.

YOU CANNOT BID ENGINEERING WORK AS A A LOW BID.

IT'S CONBASED ON THE -- DONE BASED UPON THE QUALIFICATIONS OF THE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS.

WE USUALLY DO THAT. SELECT A FIRM AND THEN NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT WITH THAT ENGINEER AND THE TERMS, CONDITIONS AND THE SCOPE OF THE.

USUALLY THE SCOPE IS WHAT SOMETIMES WE MIGHT HAVE SOME ENGINEERS ESTIMATE DONE ON WORK THAT SAYS WE THINK IT'S GOING TO COST THIS AMOUNT TO DO ALL OF THE SOFT COSTS THEN GET INTO CONSTRUCTION, THOSE ARE ESTIMATES BASED UPON THAT TIME TO, OF WHEN WE'RE SELECTING THAT ENGINEER. SO IF YEARS GO BY SOMETIMES COSTS CHANGE, CONSTRUCTION COSTS CAN GO UP AND DOWN IN A PERIOD OF YEARS. THE PREVIOUS BOND THE COUNTY DID CONSTRUCTION COSTS WERE REDUCED THROUGHOUT THE TIME OF THE BOND. THEY WERE' SAVE BEINGS AND THIS ONE PRICES HAVE PROBABLY GONE UP ON AVERAGE FROM WHAT THE ENGINEERING ESTIMATES WERE DONE BUT ONCE AN ENGINEERING FIRM SELECTED FOR THE WORK AND THE CONTRACT IS NEGOTIATED, THAT SCOPE IS DETERMINED AND MORE OR LESS THE HOURS THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOR THE VARIOUS INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE WORKING UNDER THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT ARE PUT IN PLACE.

SO IF THE ESTIMATE OF HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TO DO CERTAIN TASKS INCREASES, THAT CAN BE DUE TO THE TIME WHICH YOU CAN EXTEND THE TIME.

COMMISSIONER INNING GALLONBES MENTIONED THINGS LIKE NEGOTIATING WITH LAND OWNERS, OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A COST TO TAXPAYERS IF PROJECTS ARE DELAYED AND COSTS GO UP. BUT WE'RE COGNIZANT OF DEALING WITH PEOPLE AND THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY.

I THINK THIS IN THIS INFORMATION THE COMMISSIONERS MENTIONED PRIVATE PROPERTY ISSUES.

BEFORE WE GO TO CONDEMNATION, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE DONE EVERYTHING YOU PROBABLY CAN TO SATISFY THOSE LAND OWNERS REQUIREMENTS.

SO THE THAT IS SOMETIMES, CAN TAKE A WHILE.

YOU MIGHT HAVE A PROJECT THAT DEALS WITH TEN DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS, NINE DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS, RIGHT OF WAY. YOU NEGOTIATE.

THEY UNDERSTAND THE TERMS. THEY COME BACK WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY BELIEVE THEIR PROPERTY IS WORTH.

THAT HAPPENS AND IT'S DONE AND THERE IS ONE THAT MAY HOLD OUT AND AGAIN, I TAKE THAT AND I KNOW THE COURT TAKES THIS SERIOUS WHEN YOU ARE DEALING WITH SOMEONE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY AND TECHNICALLY, UNDER THREAT OF IMMINENT DOMAIN BECAUSE THAT IS SOME THINGS THAT ARE EXPLAINED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WHEN YOU REACH OUT AND SAY THE COUNTY IS PLANNING ON BUILDINGS A ROAD THAT MAY HAVE TO USE SOME OF YOUR PROPERTY.

THEY'RE THEN NOTIFIED OF THEIR RIGHTS AS LAND OWNERS, THAT IS LAW IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

SO TO SOMETIMES BE AS CAREFUL, CAUTIOUS AND RESPECTFUL AS WE POSSIBLE CAN WHEN DEALING WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS, YOU CAN SEE THOSE TYPE OF DELAYS. IT CAN TAKE EXTRA WORK.

THE RIGHT OF WAY COORDINATOR, THE INDIVIDUAL THAT'S DEALING WITH THE LAND OWNER IN A CASE WHERE THERE IS SOME INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT HAS TO BE RELOCATED, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE LAND OWNER SAYING I'M GOING TO BUY SOME OF YOUR PROPERTY FOR YOU UNDER THE THREAT OF IMMINENT DOME APRIL.

YOUR HOUSE IS FINE THEN YOU FIND OUT MY DRAIN AND SEPTIC TANK IS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING TO PAY, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT? ARE YOU GOING TO RELOCATE? ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD A NEW SEPTIC TANK FOR ME OR GIVE ME MONEY AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO CONTRACT WITH SOMEONE TO BUILD A NEW TANK OR SEPTIC SYSTEM FOR MY PROPERTY? THESE ARE THE BACK AND FORTH THAT YOU GET INTO. I THINK THAT'S TIME WELL SPENT. WE WANT TO DO IT AS QUICK AS WE CAN BUT WE WANT TO RESPECT THE PRIVATE PROPERTY

RIGHTS. >> JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. VERY OFTEN AS YOU ALREADY KNOW, I'LL ASK QUESTIONS BECAUSE THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO HEAR IT AND YOU KNOW WE DEAL WITH IT A LOT.

I SEE SOMEONE STANDING UP OVER THERE.

ARE YOU IN A REPRESENTATION CAPACITY FOR L.J.A.?

>> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE. >> JUDGE BECERRA: IS THAT A

YES. >> NO, NO SIR.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: I REASON I ASK IS THAT BECAUSE I WANT TO CONTINUE THIS AGENDA ITEM, BUT BECAUSE I OPENED UP THE CONVERSATION AND IF THERE IS AN L.J.A.REPRESENTATIVE, I WANT TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THIS PUBLIC FORUM TO BE USED NEGATIVELY AGAINST L.J.A.

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THAT WAS NOT MY INTENT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE THAT COUNTERCOMMUNICATION, BUT I

DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT -- >> DAVID BAYLOR IS HERE WITH L.J.A.WHO IS THE RIGHT OF WAY AGENT.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: WHO ARE YOU?

>> I'M TONY RODRIGUEZ, I'M WITH HNTB CORPORATION REPRESENTING THE HAYS COUNTY --

>> PROJECT MANAGERS FOR OUR BONDS.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: SO YOU ARE WORKING TOGETHER ON THIS

AGENDA ITEM? >> YES, SIR.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: I WANT TO BE VERY, JUST TO BE FAIR, I WANT TO BE CLEAR AND CONCISE WITH WHO GETS UP ON THE PODIUM FOR THE PURPOSES OF BALANCE AN UNIFORMITY.

IF YOU HAVE A SHORT STATEMENT I'LL TAKE IT BECAUSE YOU DESERVE TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE NOT PUT IN A NEGATIVE LIGHT. THAT'S NOT THE INTENT.

>> UNDERSTOOD, I WAS REITERATING WHEN THE COMMISSIONER SHELL STATED IN HIS DESCRIPTION, WITH REGARDS TO ROADWAYS IMPROVEMENTS.

WE DID HAVE REPRESENTATIVE FROM L.J.A.MR. DAVID BAYLOR WHO IS THE RIGHT OF WAY AGENCY WORKING DILIGENTLY THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF WITH THE PROCESS OF RIGHT OF ACQUISITION. VERY CHALLENGING BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT OF WAY AS WELL AS EASEMENT ACQUISITION ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.

SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MR. DAVID BAYLOR FROM L.J.A.TO TALK THROUGH THE ITEMS WITH REGARDS TO THE $30,000 QUESTION AND ALSO THE ITEM THAT COMMISSIONER INGALSBE MENTIONED WITH REGARDS TO THE SEPTIC

SYSTEM. >> JUDGE BECERRA: IF YOU'LL MOVE THROUGH IT IN A CONCISE MANNER.

>> DAVID BAYLOR WITH L.J.A.ENGINEERINGS.

WE'VE GOT INVOLVED EARLY ON IN THE PROJECT.

THE DECISION,CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THERE WAS A DECISION TO GO AND ACQUIRE EASEMENTS TO SAVE SOME MONEY ON BEHALF OF COUNTY RATHER THAN REIMBURSING THE UTILITIES THAT WERE GOING TO BE REIMBURSED FOR ANY MOVEMENT. THAT ACTUALLY, WE GOT A CONTRACT. THAT ACTUALLY DELAYED US MORE THAN A YEAR GETTING STARTED WITH ACTUAL RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION THAT IS PART OF THE TIME EXTENSION THERE.

REGARDING FEES AND THE COMMISSIONERS DID A GOOD JOB EXPLAINING WHAT IT TAKES TO GET INVOLVED WITH PRIVATE LAND OWNERS AND TRY TO REPRESENT THE COUNTY AND BE HONEST AND FAIR WITH THE LAND OWNERS AS WELL.

THAT IS, A LOT OF TITLE ISSUES ON THE PROJECT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO SOLVE AND WORK WITH FAMILIES THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM, AS A MATTER OF FACT.

AND SOME OTHER THINGS. THAT IS WHAT SOME OF THE EXTRA LEVEL OF EFFORT WAS ALL ABOUT.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU. AGAIN, I APPRECIATE IT.

AND MY ASKING FOR FURTHER EXPANDING OF INFORMATION FOR FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND MORE CLEARLY IS NOT INTENDED TO PUT L.J.A.IN ANY KIND OF NEGATIVE LIGHT WHATSOEVER OR GENERATING ASSUMPTION THAT IS YOU ARE BEING SHADY FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. I THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP AND DOUBLE DOWNING ON CLARIFICATION, I REALLY

APPRECIATE IT. >> THE LAST THING I'LL SAY, I THINK THE COMMISSIONER FOR GIVING THAT VERY DETAILED INFORMATION REGARDING THE PROCESS.

THE ONLY THING THAT WASN'T MENTIONED THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICE HE DID MENTION AND WE DO HAVE A PRE-QUALIFIED LIST WE CHOOSE FROM IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COMMISSIONER AND THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT TO ENSURE WE'RE SELECTING THE BEST PERSON OR FIRM FOR THAT

PROJECT. >> JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU FOR HUMORING ME,

BOTH OF YOU. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: AS SOON AS WE HEAR ANY BIT OF ANY ANYTHING I WANT TO PUT A FLASH LIGHT ON IT AND SAY OKAY. SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING SO WE COULD SHOW PROOF IN WHAT WE'RE DOING AS A COMMUNITY, AS A COURT AND AS A BUSINESS.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THAT.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION JUDGE, TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> JUDGE BECERRA: WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND. ARE THERE ANY MORE COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS? PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

[22. Discussion and possible action to authorize the County Judge to execute Change Order No. 2 with LJA Engineering, Inc. in the amount of $12,800 to provide Right-of-Way Acquisition services for the Darden Hill/Sawyer Ranch Road Intersection Roundabout project in Precinct 4 as part of the Hays County 2016 Road Bond Program and authorize a discretionary exemption pursuant to Texas Local Government Code, Ch. 262.024(a)(4).]

OPEN 22. >> 22, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE TO EXECUTE CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 2 WITH L.J.-- L.J.A.NEARBYING INNING IN THE AMOUNT OF 12,800 TO PROVIDE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION SERVICES FOR THE DARDEN HILLS SAWYER RANCH ROAD INTERSECTION ROUTE PROJECT IN PRECINCT 4 AS PART OF THE HOSPITALSY 2016 ROAD BOND PROGRAM AND AUTHORIZE AUTHORIZE A DISCRETION ERR EXEMPTION PURSUIT TO TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT COAT 262024.

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: PLEASE START A TIMER FOR MR. DAN

LYON. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE BECERRA.

I'LL TRY TO DISPENSE WITH ANY THEE AT TICKS NOW THAT I HAVEY GOT EVERYONE'S ATTENTION.

PROJECT NAMED DARDEN HILL AT SAWER RANCH ROUTE ABOUT SAYS

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DUE TO DESIGN CHANGES IT'S NECESSARY TO COMPLETE A SECOND UPDATED/REVISED APPRAISAL FOR PARCEL ONE.

THE UPDATED APPRAISAL WILL COST $2800.

AN ADDITIONAL $10 PER LABOR,/EXPENSES HAS BEEN INCLUDED FOR THE NEGOTIATIONS OF EASEMENTS THAT WILL BE CONVEYED FROM HOSPITALE TO A ELECTRICITY COOPERATIVE. THIS BRING THE L.J.A.'S CONTRACT AMOUNT FROM $70,000 TO $82,800.

ADDITIONALLY, L.J.A.'S CONTRACT WAS SET TO EXPIRE ON APRIL 18, 2021. CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 1 EXTENDED THE EXPIRATION TO AUGUST 31, 2021.

L.J.A.IS REQUESTED THIS DATE BE EXTENDED UNTIL FEBRUARY 28TH 202022. THIS ADDS AN ADDITIONAL 11 DAYS TO THE CONTRACT PERFORMANCE LENGTH.

ORIGINAL CONTRACT AMOUNT, 48,200.

NET AMOUNT OF PREVIOUSLY AUTHORIZED CHANGE ORDER DECLARATION 21,800. NET AMOUNT FOR THIS REQUESTED CHANGE ORDER $12,800.

TOTAL CONTRACT AMOUNT WITH ALL CHANGE ORDERS, $82,800.

SO IT WEPT FROM 48,200 TO 82,800.

ORIGINAL CONTRACT PERFORMANCE LENGTH, 180 DAY, NET PREVIOUS SCHEDULE CHANGE ORDERS 135 DAYS.

NET SCHEDULE ADJUSTMENT REQUESTED THIS CHANGE ORDER, 181 DAYS. TOTAL PERFORMANCE DAYS WITH CHANGE ORDERS 496 DAYS. SO IT WENT FROM 180 DAYS TO 496 DAYS. THAT'S 316 DAYS, NOT QUITE A YEAR. BUT THOSE ARE THE FACTS AND I WILL LATE Y'ALL FIGURE OUTED -- OUT THE REST THANK

YOU. >> JUDGE BECERRA: MR. LYON, I'M IN A LUCKY POSITION WHERE I GET TO RESPOND TO YOUR AGENDA ITEM TO YOUR COMMENT.

NOW THAT YOU HAVE YOUR ATTENTION.

I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE YOUR ATTENTION WIN WE DON'T ALWAYS RESPOND TO YOUR COMMENTS BUT YOU ALWAYS HAVE OUR ATTENTION WHEN YOU ARE SPEAKING AT OUR PODIUM. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE.

THERE ARE, AS WE LOOK AT THE PROJECT, THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE PROJECT IN THE FACT WE WEREN'T EVEN AWARE OF THIS PROJECT TWO YEARS AGO. I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE WEREN'T AWARE THERE WAS GOING TO BE A SCHOOL DUMPED AT THE INTERSECTION OF TWO OF OUR COUNTY ROADS TWO YEARS AGO. SO AS WE STARTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT, AND THE DESIGN WORK WAS DONE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT L.J.A.HAS WORKED DILL GENDLY WITH THE -- DILIGENTLY WITH THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS THERE TO TRY TO NEGOTIATE AN ACQUISITION OF THE PROPERTY. AND IN NO SHORT ORDER DID COME THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASK THEIR INDIVIDUAL PARCELS BE DONE ON AN APPRAISAL BASIS. ONE OF THE PROPERTY OPENERS HAS THREE PARCELS -- OWNERS HAS THREE PARCELS PART OF ONE LARGE PROPERTY, HOWEVER FOR THE APREVIOUSLY AND ACQUISITION FOR COUNTY THIS ASKED THAT THE COUNTY LOOK AT THOSE AS THREE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS BECAUSE TO BE FAIR TO THE INDIVIDUAL PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT IS HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE. WE'VE ACCOMMODATED THAT.

AND AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING A ROUTE THERE AT THE CORN CORN CORNER -- ROUND ABOUT THAT WILL START THE DAY AFTER SCHOOL ENDS IN 2022 IN MAY OF THIS COMING YEAR.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE ACQUISITION OF THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN -- IT HAS BEEN A PROBLEMATIC.

THERE IS NO OTHER WAY AROUND IT.

BUT WITH THE SCHOOL BEING BUILT THERE AS QUICKLY AS IT WAS, WITHOUT ANY NOTIFICATION TO THE COUNTY, I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE'VE WORKED THROUGH SOME THINGS ON THIS INDIVIDUAL PROJECT THAT WE WOULD HAVE NEVER ANTICIPATED ON ONE WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAD THE ABILITY TO DO THE UP-FRONT PLANNING ON IT.

WITH THAT, I WOULD SAY I FULLY ENDORSE THE CHANGE ORDER BECAUSE I KNOW THE WORK THEY'RE DOING SPECIFICALLY WITH THE GIVEN LAND OWNERS TO TRY TO MAKE

THIS WORK FOR THE SCHOOL. >> JUDGE ECERRA: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IF THERE IS NO OTHER COMMENTS PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

[23. Discussion and possible action to authorize the County Judge to execute Contract Amendment No. 1 in the amount of $45,000 to the Professional Services Agreement between Hays County and WSB & Associates, Inc. for the US 290 West at Trautwein Road Intersection project as part of the 2016 Road Bond Program.]

OPEN 23. >> 23, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE TO EXECUTE CONTRACT AMENDMENT NUMBER 1 IN THE AMOUNT OF 45,000 TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN HAYS COUNTY AND W.S.B.AND ASSOCIATES INC. FOR THE U.S.

290 WEST OF TRAUTWEIN ROAD INTERSECTION PROJECT AS PART OF THE 2016 ROAD BOND PROGRAM.

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONER.

>> THANK YOU, JUDGE, THIS IS PART OF THE 2016 ROAD BOND TRAUTWEIN PROJECT AS WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE EARLY TIMES

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IS ACTUALLY ONE OF FOUR 290 SAFETY PROMISE INCLUDED IN THE BOND. ONE OF THOSE, THE HOLDER LANE PROJECT WAS ACTUALLY REMOVED OR NOT NECESSARILY REMOVED. THOSE FUNDS WERE TRANSFERRED TO THE TRAUTWEIN PROJECT AND THIS IS ACTUALLY LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL RETAINING WALLS AND SOME REENGINEERING TO EXPAND WHAT OUR ORIGINAL SCOPE WAS FOR ADDITIONAL SAFETY MEASURES. I THINK IN THE BACK, IN THE BACKUP IT DOES A GOOD JOB OF TALKING OR EXPLAINING SPECIFICALLY WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

OPEN 24. >> 24, DISCUSSION AND

[24. Discussion and possible action to authorize the County Judge to execute a Professional Services Agreement between Hays County and Pape Dawson Engineers to provide engineering design services related to improvements to Beback Inn Road from Center Point Road to SH 123 in Pct. 1.]

POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE TO EXECUTE A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN HAYS COUNTY AND PAPE DAWSON ENGINEERING TO PROVIDE ENGINEERING DESIGN SERVICES RIGHTED TO IMPROVEMENTS TO BEBACKYIN ROAD FROM CENTER POINT ROAD TO S. H. 123 IN

PRECINCT 1. >> JUDGE BECERRA: SO --

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> THIS IS PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING AND PLANNING EFFORTS ON A ROAD WE HAVE DETERMINED IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO OUR COUNTY. AND THE CONNECTION TO HIGHWAY 123 AND THEN EVENTUALLY TO I-35.

SO WE FEEL THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THE PLANNING NOW FOR THE EXPECTED GROWTH WE'RE EXPERIENCING IN THE AREA. AND THE FUNDS WILL BE COMING FROM THE TRANSPORTATION 2022 BUDGET.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

[25. Discussion and possible action to authorize the County Judge to execute Supplemental No. 1 to a Standard Utility Agreement (SUA) in the amount of $161,000.00 with Enterprise Texas Pipeline LLC for the relocation of existing facilities in conflict with the FM 2001 West (Sunbright Section) Safety Improvements project from SH21 to White Wing Trail in Precinct 2 as part of the Road Bond Program.]

OPEN 25. >> 25, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY JUDGE TO EXECUTE SUPPLEMENTAL NUMBER 1 TO A STANDARD UTILITY AGREEMENT WITH ENTERPRISE TEXAS PIPELINE L.L.C.FOR THE RELOCATION OF EXISTING FACILITIES IN CONFLICT WITH F.M. 2001 WEST SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT FROM S.

H. 21 TO WIDE WING TRAIL IN PRECINCT 2 AS PART OF THE

ROAD BOND PROGRAM. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER.

>> THIS IS A LINE THAT WAS FOUND AFTER WE LET THE PROJECT. IF WE WOULD HAVE NONE IT WOULD STILL BE THE SAME AMOUNT.

NO HARM, NO FOUL WE HAVE TO GET IT MOVED.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

[26. PLN-1658-PC; Hold a Public Hearing to discuss final action regarding the Booky T Subdivision, Lot 1, Replat.]

OPEN 26. >> 26, P.L.N.1658 P. C. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO DISCUSS THE FINAL ACTION REGARDING THE BOOKIE T. SUBDIVISION LOT 1 REPLATT.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IF THERE IS ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 26, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.

I SEE NO MOVEMENT. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONER.

>> THANK YOU, JUDGE. ACTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR KNOW ACTION TODAY ON THIS INDIVIDUAL ITEM BECAUSE AFTER THE ORIGINAL DECLARATION OR THE ORIGINAL REQUEST FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, THERE HAS BEEN SOME REQUESTED CHANGES ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS.

AND SO WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THERE BE NO ACTION TODAY AND WE'LL HOLD ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING ONCE THE CHANGES ARE SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY AND WE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW

THOSE. >> JUDGE BECERRA: SOUNDS GOOD. RIGHT ON TIME, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A SHORT BREAK AND COME RIGHT BACK INTO THE WORKSHOP IN THREE MINUTES.WE ARE BACK AND IF YOU WILL PLEASE

[32. 10:00 a.m. - Budget Workshop regarding the FY 2022 Hays County Budget. Possible action may follow.]

OPEN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 32. >> 32, BUDGET WORKSHOP REGARDING THE F.Y.20 2,200Y BUDGET.

POSSIBLE ACTION MAY FOLLOW. >> JUDGE BECERRA: OKAY.

WE HAVE A FEW INDIVIDUALS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THE WORKSHOP. AND YOU PUT 31 BUT IT'S 32,

RIGHT? >> 31 PUBLIC HEARING.

>> OH, YEAH -- THE 1:00 NOT THE 10:00.

>> YES. >> YOU GOT T. STAY IN LINE WITH THAT. FOR ITEM NUMBER 32, WE HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

MR. DAN LYON. >> THANK YOU JUDGE BECERRA.

THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE DISJOINTED DIDN'T GET IT WELL ORGANIZED BUT THE 292,901,4584.

YOU DROPPED THE TAX RATE FROM .4212 TO .03867.

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US HAPPY GO LUCKY PEASANTS THANK YOU FOR THAT.

LET'S SEE. AND ON AN AVERAGE HOUSE APPARENTLY AN AVERAGE HOUSE IN IF HAYS COUNTY IS VALUED AT $282,832. THAT WOULD MAKE A SAVINGS OF $61 PAND -- 61.55 THIS YEAR OVER LAST YEAR THE WAY I CALCULATED IT WHICH FOR ME IS A ELECTRIC BILL FOR A MONTH AND A HAIR CUT. ANYWAY, WE'RE SPENDING $1194.73 PER CAPITA ACCORDING TO A POPULATION 245,161. ALL RIGHT.

I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTION, THERE IS $100,000 PROPOSED FOR PLANNING FOR EVALUATIONS/CIVIC CENTER FACILITY RESERVES ARE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS APPROVAL. THEN THERE IS $500,000 FOR ARCHITECTURAL PLANNING FOR NEW DISTRICT COURTROOM.

50% RESERVE/50% CIVIL COURTS BUILDING FUND.

AND I'M WONDERING IS THAT FOR THE WHOLE COURTROOM BUILDING OR JUST FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANNING? SYSTEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY FOR -- SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY FOR ARCHITECTURAL PLANNING.

YOU HAD ANOTHER $90,000 IN HERE TO ESTABLISH A BUDGET OFFICE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS.

I'M A LITTLE DIGS APPOINTED -- DISAPPOINTED THAT YOU AREN'T USING MY FACTS AND FIGURES.

I BRING THEM UP HERE EVERY WEEK.

I HAVE A COUPLE MORE THINGS HERE.

WE HAVE GOT, IT'S UNDER 519.

I THINK IT'S TRAVEL ALLOWANCE FOR ALL THE COMMISSIONERS. AND THE JUDGE.

YOU GOT IT SET AT $15,000. I'M NOT SURE WHY YOU DON'T JUST DO THAT ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS AND THEN BRING IT UP ON THE AGENDA AND APPROVE IT AS YOU NEED THE, YOU KNOW, TRAVEL MONEY. $15,000 SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY TO PUT FOR TRAVEL EXPENSINGS.

IF YOU DON'T SPEND THAT WHERE DOES THE MONEY GO?MENT I -- I DON'T KNOW. HI A FEW OTHER THINGS BUT I HAD A LOT ON MY PLATE THIS WEEK SO I'M GOING TO CALL IT QUITS AND JUST IN TIME, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, MR. LYON.

FIRST UP WE'VE OUR TREASURE AND I SAW OUR BRITNEY RICHEY WALK IN A MINUTE AGO, IF YOU'LL PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM. SHARE YOUR TIME AND TITLE WITH THE VIEWING PUBLIC -- NAME AND TITLE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS BRITNEY RICHIE, I'M HAYS COUNTY TREASURE REPRESENTING THE HAYS COUNTY BENEFITS REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT LOOKS OVER OUR RETIREES -- EXCUSE ME, OUR RETIREE BENEFITS.

AT THIS TIME, BASICALLY THE CAN BE PRETTY SHORT AND EAT BUT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WHAT THE JUDGE RECOMMENDED IN HIS BUDGET IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH FOR THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR OF 2022.

WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING A COST OF LIVING INCREASE AT THIS TIME FOR OUR RETIREES. WE HAD A COST OF LIVING INCREASE EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1, 2018, AND AT THAT TIME, WE GAVE THEM A COST OF LIVING.

THERE IS SOME REPERCUSSIONS FOR GIVING A COST OF LIVING REPETITIVELY. IF WE DO THAT TOO MANY TIMES WE CAN BE CLASSIFIED AS A REPEATING COLA DESIGNATION WHICH MEANS WE WOULD BE OBLIGATED TO GIVE IT EVERY YEAR IN THE FUTURE. SO WE, TO AVOID THAT WE TRY TO GO THREE YEARS WITHOUT GIVING A COST OF LIVING IN BETWEEN. SO OUR THIRD YEAR WOULD BE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. NOT THIS CYCLE.

SO BECAUSE OF THAT THE COMMITTEE IS RECOMMENDING NOT AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT IT'S PROBABLY NOT AN TUNE TIME TO BE SPENDING THOSE FUNDS.

AND THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS WE'RE GIVING ARE FOR OUR MEDICARE ADVANTAGE PLANS THROUGH HUMA, WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO OFFER THAT TO OUR MEDICARE ELIGIBLE RETIREES AND THEIR SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. THE COST IS $-- THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, THE COST IS $48 A MONTH.

INDIVIDUALS WILL PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES UNLESS THEY HAVE OVER 25 YEARS OF SERVICE WITH HAYS COUNTY AT THE TIME

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OF RETIREMENT. IN ADDITION, WE'RE RECOMMENDING NO CHANGES TO OUR CURRENT POLICYIES THAT WENT INTO EFFECT JANUARY 1ST OF 2019.

I'VE INCLUDED THE POLICY THERE FOR YOUR REFERENCE IF YOU ARE WANTING TO LOOK THAT OVER, AS WELL AS THE CURRENT INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE. SO BASICALLY NO CHANGES IS WHAT I'M ASKING FOR AND THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET FROM THE

JUDGE'S RECOMMENDATION. >> JUDGE BECERRA: UP TO THE JUDGE'S RECOMMENDATION THAT IS NICE.

ALTHOUGH THAT IS RARE. [LAUGHTER]

ANY COMMENTS. >> NO, I APPRECIATE IT,

THANK YOU BRITNEY. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> JUDGE BECERRA: I WILL SAY IT THIS WAY, YOU YIELD THE REMAINDER OF YOUR TIME TO

THE SHERIFF ACE OFFICE. >> OKAY.

IF THE COURT CAN AGREE TO THIS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT SO WE CAN HAVE THE RECORD THAT WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE NO CHANGES THIS YEAR. OKAY.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: BEAUTIFUL, THANK YOU, WE APPRECIATE

YOUR SERVICE. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> JUDGE BECERRA: NOW I WILL BE MOVING US ALONG AND I ASK THE SHERIFF TO STEP UP AND BEGIN HIS PRESENTATION IF YOU'LL PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND TITLE FOR THE VIEW BE PUBLIC WE'D APPRECIATE

IT. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE, GARY CUTTER HAYS COUNTY SHERIFF. FIRST AND FOREMOST THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY AS WE GET TO DISCUSS OUR BUDGET BEFORE YOU. BEFORE I DO THAT I LIKE TO THANK MY DEMAND STAFF AND BUDGET DIRECTOR FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS OF PUTTING THIS TOGETHERS.

I FEEL LIKE IT'S A CONSERVATIVE BUDGET AS WE ADDRESS OUR NEEDS BUT ALSO LOOK INTO THE FUTURE.

JUDGE, GOING THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE AT WE SUBMITTED OUR BUDGET FIRST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS PERSONNEL. WE HAD 9 CIVILIAN POSITIONS THAT WE NEEDED AND THEY ARE TOP PRIORITY IN OUR DEPARTMENT. WE NEED THE POSITIONS.

THEY'RE CIVILIANS. YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS FIVE DEPUTIES. AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TAKE THIS TO YOU AND THE COURT TO RECONSIDER AND I WILL BE WILLING TO GIVE UP FOUR OF THE DEPUTY POSITIONINGS FOR THOSE NINE CIVILIAN POSITIONS.

IF WE DID THAT IT WOULD LEASH A SURPLUS IN THE 40,000 SURPLUS IF WE DID THAT.

WE LIKE TO ASK THAT TO BE CONSIDERED AND I'M GOING TO ASK THE CAPTAIN TO COME UP AND COVER THE NINE POSITIONS

WHY WE NEED THEM. >> JUDGE BECERRA: BEFORE YOU WALK AWAY, I'M WRITING IT DOWN AND I'M BUSY IN NOTES AND I DON'T WANT TO MISS ANYTHING.

SO YOU ARE LOOKING FOR NINE CIVILIANS WE WILL HAVE THE CAPTAIN EXPAND ON. YOU HAVE THE FIVE DEPUTIES REQUESTED. YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE UP THE DEPUTY POSITIONS FOR THE --

>> FOUR OF THEM. >> JUDGE BECERRA: YOU ARE WILLING TO GIVE -- YOU WOULD LIKE TO GIVE UP FOUR OF THE

DEPUTY POSITIONS. >> YES.

>> AND KEEP ONE DEPUTY. >> YES.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: FOR THE NINE.

>> YES, SIR. >> JUDGE BECERRA: OKAY.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

OKAY. IF YOU'LL PLEASE STATE YOUR

NAME AND TITLE. >> MARK CUMBERLAND, CAPTAIN AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AS THE SHERIFF MENTIONED THE PRIORITY OF THE BUDGET WAS TO GET OUR CIVILIAN STAFF AS A PRIMARY FOCUS. WE NEED GET THE WORK LOAD TO BE MORE MANAGEABLE NOT ONLY MANAGEABLE WORK LOAD BUT I THINK H.R.IS GOING TO RECOMMEND HOPEFULLY PAY ADJUSTMENTS FOR THEM. WE FOCUSED ON THE WORK LOAD AND PRIME EXAMPLE IS OUR BUDGET DIRECTOR IS SICK TODAY. WE ONLY HAVE ONE OF THEM AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, SHE IS NOT AVAILABLE TO BE HERE ON PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT DAYS OF THE YEAR FOR HER. WE'RE ASKING WE'VE TWO ADDITIONAL MEMBERS AS BUDGET COORDINATORS TO ASSIST HER WITH NOT ONLY THE BUDGET BUT PURCHASING.

WHEN WE HAVE A 40 TO $50 MILLION BUDGET I THINK IT'S MORE RESPONSIBILITY THAN ONE PERSON.

WE PURCHASE YEAR ROUND PROBABLY AS MUCH AS ANYBODY IN THE COUNTY. THOSE TWO ADDITIONAL STAFF BEFORE PLENTY OF WORK TO DO. THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE BROUGHT TO US FROM COUNTY DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE AGENCY AND OUR PARTICULAR BUDGET.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR ONE ADDITIONAL H.R.PAYROLL SPECIALIST. IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME WE'VE GONE FROM 300 TO 400 PLYIOS -- EMPLOYEES AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ALMOST 500 EMPLOYEE, WE GO FROM ACCIDENT INJURIES STUFF LIKE THAT, WE NEED AN ADDITIONAL PERSON DOWN THERE TO MANAGE THAT INCREASE IN THE NUMBERS SHOW HOW LARGE WE'VE GROWN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING FOUR ADDITIONAL RECORDS MANAGEMENT OFFICERS WITH SENATE BILL 111. THE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THE POSITIONS CONTINUES TO GROW AND IT FALLS ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO BE MORE TIMELY AND ACCURATE TO PRESENTATION INFORMATION TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO HELP SUCCESSFULLY PROSECUTE ALL OF THE

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CRIMINAL CASES. WE'RE STRUGGLING NOT OGEES WITH THIS BUT MANAGING OUR OPEN RECORDS QUESTIONS COMING IN ON A DAILY BASIS. THEY'VE OVERWHELMED THE STAFF AND WE TAKE THAT SERIOUS BECAUSE OUR JOB IS TO OBVIOUSLY PROVIDE PUBLIC SAFETY F. IT'S IMPACTING OUR CRIMINAL CASES WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT T. THE FOUR ADDITIONAL STAFF WOULD DO THAT.

NOT ONLY CRIMINAL CASES WISE BUT OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS ARE OFF THE CHART RIGHT NOW. WITH THE AUGMENT OF ALL THE VIDEO AND AUDIO STUFF THAT OUR DEPUTIES HAVE ON THEIR BODIES IT TAKES ALL DAY FOR THESE EMPLOYEES TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TURNING EVERYTHING OVER TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SO THEY CAN TURN THAT OVER TO THE DEFENDANTS AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE HELD NONCOMPLIANT IN ANY OF THE AREAS. TO INCLUDE OPEN RECORDS

REQUEST. >> JUDGE BECERRA: BEFORE YOU GET TOO MUCH FURTHER OUT, WAITING FOR YOU TO HAVE A NATURAL PAUSE. YOU SAID THE PAST TWO YEARS, HOW LARGE WE'VE BECOME AND HOW WE'VE GROWN.

ONE OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT I'VE PUT INTO THE BUDGET WAS THE-- I BUDGETED FOR THE TIME KEEPING PUNCHING IN AND OUT FOR A COUNTY WIDE SOFTWARE.

I EAR MARKED A BUNCH OF MONEY FOR IT REALLY AND THE HOPE IS BECAUSE AS YOU'VE SAID, OF THE GROWTH OF THE DEPARTMENT AND THE COUNTY, I MEAN WE HAVE A ,000 -- 1,000 EMPLOYEE, FOR THE TREASURE'S OFFICE TO MOST EFFICIENTLY AND NOT TOUCH A TIME SHEET, I BUDGETED FOR THE PIECE AND I WANTED TO ASK WHILE YOU ARE HERE ON THIS TOPIC, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO FIND USEFUL? SHE HAS DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH. THE TEAM HAS DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH TO MAKE SURE IS COME PLIED WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PEACE OF IT. IS THAT GOING TO BE HELPFUL?

>> HARD TO SAY. I HAVEN'T SEEN IT SO I WOULD BE RELUCTANT. WE'VE GONE THROUGH IT ONE OTHER TIME BUT I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT IS MORE LAW ENFORCEMENT FRIENDLY SO I THINK THAT HOPEFULLY WILL BE HELPFUL. BUT IT'S HARD TO SPEAK TO IT

RIGHT NOW. >> IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT CIVILIAN STAFF MORE SO THAN INFORCE.

OR CORRECTIONS. >> THE RESEARCH THEY DID WAS WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAD A STRONG LAW ENFORCEMENT USE. SINCE YOU ARE HERE SAY THE

NAME, BRITNEY. >> SURE,.

[INAUDIBLE] >> JUDGE BECERRA: I'M SORRY, DO YOU MIND, IT'S A WORKSHOP.

WOULD YOU MIND APPROACHING THE PODIUM TO --

>> WE'VE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

WE'VE, CURRENT OVERTIME SYSTEM WE HAVE IS NO LONGER GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE AND IT WASN'T FUNCTIONAL FOR ALL OF THE AREAS. WE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH GOING AROUND TO DIFFERENT COUNTIES, DIFFERENT CITIES ASKING WHAT THEY USED FOR THEIR ENTIRE COUNTY INCLUDING LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE FOUND THAT THERE WAS SEVERAL ITEMS WE'VE LOOKED AT THOSE.

THE CORONA SYSTEM CALLED U.K.G.IS ONE THAT CAN BE CUSTOMIZED TO SERVE LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THEY HAVE A LAW ENFORCEMENT MODULE.

WE'RE AT THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THAT PARTICULAR-- WE HAVEN'T STARTED THE PROCESS YET BUT THAT IS THE ONE WE'RE ASKING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THE ONES WE'VE LOOKED AT.

A LOT OF THEM WEREN'T GOING TO SATISFY WHAT WE NEEDED.

BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR INDICATION WE FELT THERE WAS THIS ONE IT WOULD AND IT ALSO WORKS WITH THE CURRENT FINANCIAL SYSTEM WHICH IS A BIG BENEFIT FOR US AS WELL.

SO THE THE PAYROLL MODULE THAT WE HAVE IN ACCOUNTS, CHART OF ACCOUNTS COULD TIE INTO IT.

SO THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL FOR US.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: YOU SEE -- >> WE'RE AT THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THIS. WE HAVEN'T SIGNED ANY DOCUMENTS OR GOTTEN ANY CONTRACTS.

AT THIS POINT, WE WERE HOPING TO GO THAT DIRECTION

BUT WE HAVEN'T DECIDED. >> JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHEDDING LIGHT ON THAT.

IF YOU'LL SEE AS THIS IS UNFOLDING AND THIS EFFICIENCY AND THIS GROWTH YOU ARE DESCRIBING, CAPTAIN, NOT TRYING TO CORNER YOU BUT I LIKE TO SEE IF YOU GUYS COULD LOOK INTO AS WELL SO THAT YOU ARE, YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THIS POTENTIAL PURCHASE CAN BE SHAPED IN SOME KIND OF WAY WHERE YOU CAN SAY WE THINK IT'S A GOOD SYSTEM OR NO, WE DON'T LIKE THIS ONE EITHER.

I KNOW YOU HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT IN THE PAST.

A DIFFERENT COMPANY BUT I, I WANT TO HELP YOU GUYS AND IN EVERY WAY I CAN AND TIME KEEPING HELPS AS YOU JUST HEARD WITH OUR EFFORT, TREASUREER'S OFFICE.

YOUR DEPARTMENT TOUCHES A LOT OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS SO I'M LOOKING FOR THE UNIFIED EFFICIENCY EFFORT.

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>> I UNDERSTAND. >> JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU,

SIR. >> AFTER THE WE'RE REQUESTING ONE CRIMINALIST WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU REFER TO AS C.S.I.OR PEOPLE THAT GO OUT AND PROCESS THE CRIMINAL OR CRIME SCENES. THAT STRONGLY SUPPORTED BY OUR HAYS COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

THEY'VE SEEN THE, HOW EFFECTIVE THEY ARE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CRIMINAL CASES. THEY ACTUALLY DO MORE TESTIMONY THAN OUR DETECTIVES DO.

WE FOUND THIS IS PROBABLY MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO HIRE AN ADDITIONAL CRIMINALIST THAN IT IS TO ADD ANOTHER DETECTIVE TO THE BUDGET. SO I THINK THE COST EFFECTIVE, IT'S MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL CRIMINALIST THAN A DETECT.

LASTLY OUR STRATEGIC ANALYST OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THE AGENCY HAS BEEN FOCUSING ON RESPONDING TO PATROL MORE OFF OF DATA AND STATISTICS INSTEAD OF THROWING OFFICERS OUT THERE HOPING THEY STUMBLE INTO SOMETHING. CRUNCHING ALL THE DATA THAT IS OUT THERE, WE HAVE A NEW RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT CAN BE PULLED OUT OF THERE TO TRY TO PREDICT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY TO THEN PUSH OUR OFFICERS IN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME. AND AGAIN, THIS POSITION WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE THAN ADDING ADDITIONAL PATROL DEPUTIES THAT HOPEFULLY RANDOMLY STUMBLE ON TO STUFF LIKE THAT.

WE'VE SEEN VERY POSITIVE RESULTS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS ANALYZING THIS NUMBERS BUT THE POSITION WOULD LEAD OUR THREE CURRENT ANALYST POSITIONS AND ONLY PROVIDE US BETTER DATA FOR THE PATROL DIVISION THEN OUR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATORS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING FOUR SUSPECTS OR RESEARCHING OUR CRIMINALS, THESE PEOPLE PROVIDE US THE DATA. THEY FIND THESE PEOPLE OUT THERE. THEN WE GET TO GO OUT AND THERE EITHER INTERVIEW OR ARREST THEM DEPENDING ON WHAT STATUS THE CASE S. TO RECAP OUR STRATEGIC ANALYST, OUR CRIMINALIST. OUR ONE H.R.PAYROLL SPECIALIST AND TWO BUDGET COORDINATORS, WE'RE REQUEST THE COURT TO PUT THOSE BACK IN TO OUR BUDGET.

THEN TAKE OUT FOUR DEPUTIES AND EQUIPMENT THAT.

IS I THINK A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF ABOUT $46,000 LEFTOVER.

WE'D LIKE THE COURT, TO CONSIDER ADDING -- YOU DID APPROVE ONE MECHANIC. OUR ONLY CIVILIAN POSITION YOU DID APPROVE BUT THE EQUIPMENT FOR THAT MECHANIC WAS IN THE APPROVED. WE'RE ASKING THAT FOUR POST AND TWO POST-LISTS BE ADDED BACK INTO THE BUDGET.

ABOUT $18,000. WE ALSO HAD OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING BUDGET CUT FROM $85,000 TO 75,000.

WE DEPLETED OUR TRAINING BUDGET THIS YEAR EVEN IN A COVID YEAR JUST WITH GROWTH AND THE EVOLUTION OF CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR. WE'RE HAVING TO KEEP UP WITH THAT AND TRAIN SOMETHING HOW WE DO THAT.

WE'RE REQUESTING THAT GET APPROVED BACK UP TO $85,000.

>> AS Y'ALL KNOW LOOKING ACROSS THE COUNTRY NOW HOW IMPORTANT TRAINING HAS COME UP IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES.

LIEU OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN SOME OF THE STATES.

THEY KEEP BRINGING TRAINING, WE TAKE PRIDE IN WHAT WE PRODUCE. WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT SO I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT.

IT WOULD NOT GO, IT WOULD NOT LOSE MONEY IN THE

TRAINING BUDGET. >> JUDGE BECERRA: $75,000 THAT I RECOMMENDED UNDER TO GO TO $85,000 TO DO RECAP

THEN -- >> YES, SIR.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: THEN ADDING A MECHANIC O YOUR PROCESS, I -- WHEN I AM WALKING THE FACILITY, THERE WAS A LOT OF -- I'M NOT TRYING TO POINT FINGERS OR BE CRITICAL BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF EQUIPMENT NOT IN MOTION AND I FIGURED THAT THE EQUIPMENT CAPACITY, THE LIFT, ETC., NOT BE USED WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENTLY USED WITH ANOTHER PERSON, ABSOLUTELY BUT THAT IS WHY I FELT NO ON THE LIFT, FOR EXAMPLE.

WAS BECAUSE I FELT YOU HAD ENOUGH EQUIPMENT ALREADY IN PLACE. IT DOES NO GOOD TO PUT A MECHANIC AND NOT GIVE HIM A JACK.

>> I'M NOT SURE HOW OFTEN YOU WALK THROUGH BUT WE HAVE A LARGE FLEET. WE HAVE A LARGE PATROL DIVISION. WE SERVICE THE CONTABLE'S OFFICE AND WE COULD USE THE MECHANIC AND WE COULD USE THE LIFT. WE DON'T WANT AN EMPLOYEE TO HAVE TO BE THERE AND NOT HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO BEST SERVE THE FLEET. WE HAVE THE SPACE.

THE SHOP WAS BUILT TO ADD ADDITIONAL MECHANIC AND LIFT. SO TO ME IT MAKES SENSE IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE EMPLOYEE TO HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO GO WITH IT. WE'RE ASKING THAT BE PUT BACK INTO THE BUDGET. THE COURT HAVE ANY QUESTION ONS THE CIVILIAN POSITIONS WE'RE PRIORITIZING.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: LET ME FIND OUT.

>> NO, I JUDGE, I THINK I'M FINE RIGHT NOW.

I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT BY DOING THAT, WE'RE --

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REMOVING FOUR DEPUTIES AND EQUIPMENT AND ADDING THE NINE WE'D HAVE A SAVINGS OF APPROXIMATELY $46,000.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> OKAY.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: EVERY BIT AS YOU WELL KNOW, EVERY BIT OF EQUIPMENT WHEN WE ADD A DEPUTY IS EXPENSIVE.

THE UNIT, THE WHAT DO THEY CALL THE COMPUTER.

>> M.D.T. >> JUDGE BECERRA: YES.

ALL THOSE THINGS, THEY ARE A LOT OF MONEY.

IT'S NOT JUST A DEPUTY I. THAT'S RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER SHELL, COMMENTS?

>> NO, JUST ON THAT ONE CRAIGS MANY, I WAS CALCULATION, I THINK THE DEPUTIES WERE FUNDED FOR --

>> APRIL START DATE. >> ARE YOU POPULATING THE

CIVILIANS POSITIONS -- >> ALL APRIL.

>> I THINK IT'S ALL APRIL. >> OKAY.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: QUESTION, COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON YOUR COMMENT ABOUT TRAINING.

WHENEVER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAINING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MULTIPLE WHEN I SAY TRAINING I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CONTINUING EDUCATION. WE'VE MULTIPLE LINES IN THE BUDGET RELATIVE TO THAT. YOU KNOW THE ONE YOU SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED, JUDGE, WAS ON THE LAW ENFORCEMENT SIDE BUT ON THE JAIL SIDE AS WELL WE'VE CONTINUING EDUCATION AND YOU KNOW, IN, COMING OUT OF A COVID YEAR, WHERE WE COULDN'T DO A LOT OF THE IN PERSON TRAINING AND OUR OFFICERS COULDN'T.

GIVEN THE, WHERE WITH ALL THAT OR THE POINT THAT THE SHERIFF MADE, RELATIVE TO HOW BIG A FOCUS THAT IS NATIONWIDE RIGHT NOW, I JUST WOULD HATE TO WALK AWAY FROM ANYTHING RELATED TO THAT. AND IF WE LOOK AT THE OVERALL BUDGET, YOU KNOW, IN A PRE-COVID YEAR, THE LAST TRUE PRE-COVID YEAR, WE SPEND ABOUT $18,000, 18, 19,000 ON THE JAIL. THAT WAS' BEFORE WE HAD ANY THE NEW FACILITIES IN PLACE, ON CONTINUING ED CASE, LAST YEAR, WE BUDGETED $40,000 FOR THAT.

AND THE REQUEST WAS $50. THAT WAS' CUT TO $30 AND THE JUDGE'S RECOMMENDED BUDGET. AGAIN I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT I THINK THAT'S A GOOD INVESTMENT ON BEHALF OF OUR EMPLOYEES. CONTINUING EDUCATION IS NEEDED. THAT'S WHERE WHERE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US TRY TO PLUS THAT UP TO WHAT IS QUESTION IS BECAUSE AS WE BRING ON INDIVIDUALS TO FULLY STAFF THE JAIL, IT'S GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC IF THEY'RE NOT

TRAINED IN THE CORRECT WAY. >> JUDGE BECERRA: I AGREE.

COMMISSIONER. THAT'S WHY THE $75,000 WAS THE RECOMMENDS INSTEAD OF $85,000.

TO ME THAT IS, THAT UNIFIED ACROSS THE BOARD DOING THE EFFICIENCYIES EFFORT, BUT WHEN YOU REFERENCE THE JUDGES RECOMMENDED, WHAT IS WHAT WE APPROVED? DID YOU

-- >> WE HAVEN'T APPROVED IT

YESTERDAY. >> JUDGE BECERRA: LAST YEAR, I THOUGHT YOU SAID LAST YEAR?

>> NO, THIS YEAR THERE IS A RECOMMENDED, YOU RECOMMENDED $30,000, WE APPROVED $40,000 LAST YEAR AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT REQUESTED $50,000 THIS YEAR.

I WOULD ASSUME IN Y'ALL CAN PROBABLY TELL ME BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT INCREASE IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE CONTINUING EDUCATION NEEDED FOR THE ADDITIONAL NEW JAIL

PERSONNEL. >> CORRECT.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE THREE CONTINUING ED LINE ITEMS, ONE FOR ANIMAL CONTROL, ONE FOR THE JAIL, ONE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. I THINK THE JUDGE RECOMMENDED WHAT WE ASKED FOR IN THE ANIMAL CONTROL.

I THINK HE CUT BOTH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE CORRECTIONS. EVERY BIT OF THE CORRECTIONS IS GROWING AS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE H.R.HAVING TO PROCESS THESE EMPLOYEES. WE HAV TO ALSO TRAIN THE PRYEES. AS THE JAIL HAS GROWN THEY MANDATE HOW MANY OFFICERS WE HAVE.

SO, YES, THAT LINE ITEM IS CRITICAL ALSO THEN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BUDGET WE DEPLETED THIS YEAR AND WE ACTUAL HE TO BORROW MONEY FROM THE CORRECTION LINE ITEM. THEY WEREN'T AS AVAILABLE TO TRAIN AS LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE SHORT STAFFED IN THE JAIL AND THE YALE HAS GROWN.

WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THE TRAINING BUDGETS THAT WE RECOMMEND BECAUSE THEY ARE BASED OFF OF HOW MUCH WE SPEND IN THE PAST OR WHAT WE HAVEN'T HAD IN THE PAST TO

SPEND. >> JUDGE BECERRA: CAPTAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, WE KNOW WORDS MATTER AND IN THIS VERY SENSE SIGNIFICANCAL SIGNIFICANCE OF -- SENSATIONALIZATION OF STORY TELLING THAT TAKES PLACE POLITICALLY I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO MAYBE CONSIDER REPHRASING THE REDUCTION, I CONSIDER IT SMALL IN THE SCHEME OF THE BUDGET, THE SMALL REDUCTION. STEPH OF CALLING -- INSTEAD OF CALLING IT A CUT BECAUSE SOMEONE IS GOING TO TAKE WHAT YOU'VE MADE AND SAY I CUT THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET SO I WOULD SUGGEST NOT SAYING I CUT BECAUSE IT'S A

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REDUCTION. JUST A SUGGESTION.

IT'S SEMANTIC BUT PEOPLE LOVE TO SENSATIONALIZE THOSE THINGS AND IT WOULD BE A LITTLE INACCURATE.

>> I THINK YOU PLAY ON WORDS.

I PREFER TO USE MY WORDS, YOU USE YOUR WORDS.

>> >> JUDGE BECERRA: SURE.

>> OKAY. I THINK THAT IS FAIR.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: SOUNDS GOOD.

>> DIHAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE OVERALL BUDGET PURCHASE FORGIVE ME. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET VERSUS WHAT THE SPECIFIC REQUEST WAS, GIVEN THE FACT WE'RE LOOKING AT FULLY FUNCTIONING JAIL FACILITY BY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, WE WANT -- WHAT IS THE COMPLETION DATE GOING TO BE? THE FINAL COMPLETION DATE ON THE JAIL --

>> LET ME BRING UP THE JAIL CAPTAIN.

I DON'T WANT TO ANSWER THAT. >> WE GOT TWO MORE CAPTAINS.

>> OKAY. >> JUDGE BECERRA: THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ARE WE DONE WITH CAPTAIN

CUMBERLAND. >> PLEASE SAY YES.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: ANY QUESTIONS ON FRONT ANY THINK

WE'RE DONE WITH THAT. >> THANK YOUALL.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: NOW SHERIFF ARE WE READY TO TALK ABOUT COMMISSIONER SMITH'S QUESTION.

I DON'T WANT TO MESS UP YOUR PRESENTATION.

>> CAN WE DO THAT LAST? >> SURE, ABSOLUTELY.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: I DON'T WANT TO MESS UP YOUR

PRESENTATION. >> CAPTAIN BURNS IS ALSO IN THE PATROL DIVISION. ALSO THE FLEET.

WE'RE TRYING TO PLAY CATCHUP IN THE FLEET.

WE HAVE HIGH MILEAGE VEHICLES, I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO HIM TO DISCUSS THE FLEET.

>> GOOD MORNING, DAVID BURPS, I AM ATE CAPTAIN WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BUREAU AT THE HAYS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THIS YEAR WE HAD ASKED, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF LEAN YEARS AND WORKING THROUGH THE ENTERPRISE PROGRAM.

I KNOW LAST YEAR WE USED A LOT OF OUR EQUITY THAT WE HAD BUILT UP NOT JUST IN OUR FLEET BUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY'S FLEET IN ORDER TO PUT ACTUAL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE VEHICLES OR NEWER VEHICLES.

WE UNDERSTAND THE DYNAMICS GOING ON IN THE AUTO INDUSTRY AS FAR AS FINDING VEHICLES IS THE NEXT THING THAT IS GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC.

SO THIS YEAR WE HAVE CRUNCHED NUMBERS AS HARD AS WE COULD. TRIED TO TAKE IT AS LOW AS WE COULD. BE AS CONSERVATIVE AS WE POSSIBLY COULD AND STILL HAVE VEHICLES WE FELT WERE SAFE IN PUTTING OUR EMPLOYEES IN AND WHO ARE ULTIMATELY SERVING THE PUBLIC.

OUR CURRENT PATROL FLEET HAS 65 VEHICLES IN OUR PATROL FLEET ITSELF. OF THAT 30 OF THOSE VEHICLES ARE OF 2016 AND 2017 MAKE AND MODELS.

THE 2016S ON AVERAGE RIGHT NOW, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT YOU SEE UNIFORMED PATROL DOING FULL TIME 12-HOUR PATROL SHIFTS ARE RUNNING 116, 645 MILES ON THE VEHICLES. THE 2017S ARE CURRENTLY AT 99,250 MILES ON THOSE VEHICLES.

SO WE APPRECIATE THE 25 RECOMMENDED IN THE JUDGE'S BUDGET. BUT WE FEEL IT'S STILL GOING TO BE JUST A TAD SHORT. WE'D LIKE TO GET THE EXTRA FIVE VEHICLES THERE. BRINGING THAT UP TO $30 THEN AS WE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE THE WHOLE PICTURE IN AS WELL. SO ONE EVER THE THINGS WE HAD IS CARS, WE RAN A BUSINESS WHERE VEHICLES ARE EITHER HIT DEER. THEY'RE INVOLVED IN ACCIDENTS OR WE HAVE VEHICLE RECALLS THAT HAPPEN.

VEHICLES HAVE TO BE TAKEN OUT OF SERVICE FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE VERY LIMITED POOL CARS AND THE POOL CARS RIGHT NOW ARE RUNNING OVER 140,000 MILES ON THOSE VEHICLES.

WE FOUND OUT VERY EARLY ON IN THE, IN THE PANDEMIC THAT WE HAD OUR S.R.O.'S OBVIOUSLY ONCE SCHOOLS CLOSED DOWN, THE S.R.O.'S ARE LIKE OUR, MORE OR LESS OUR RESERVE. THEY COME IN.

THEY CAN ASSIST US ON UNIFORM PATROL PURCHASE THEY HAVE ALL THE EQUIPMENT OR THEY DIDN'T BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ALL THE EQUIPMENT IN THEIR VEHICLES TO ACTUALLY WORK PATROL.

THOSE GUYS RIGHT NOW THE AVERAGE S.R.O.VEHICLE HAS ALMOST 150,000 ON IT. $148,210 IS THE AVERAGE MILEAGE ON THE S.R.O.VEHICLE WHICH IF YOU PUT THE 12 POOL CARS ALONG WITH THE 18 S.R.O.VEHICLES ALL AVERAGING OVER 140,000 MILES ON THEM RIGHT ANNOUNCEMENT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE AS WE SPEAK MANY OF THOSE VEHICLES ARE PUTTING MORE MILES ON THEM FROM THE TIME THAT I COMPILED THE NUMBERS. THAT COMES TO 30 VEHICLES AS WELL. IT'S NOT LIKE THE 30 WE WOULD REMOVE FROM THE FULL-TIME PATROL FLEET WON'T

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BE ABLE TO GO BACK IN AND THEY WOULD STILL BE, WE'D STILL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THEM AS WELL.

WITH OUR S.R.O.'S HAVING AT LEAST A LITTLE BETTER RUNNING VEHICLES IN THE EVENT WE NEED TO USE THEM IN OUR RE RESERVE CAPACITY FOR PATROL THEN WE'LL ALSO HAVE A BETTER FLEET FOR OUR POOL CARS.

OUR WHITE FLEET, WE'RE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL SIX FROM WHAT THE JUDGE'S RECOMMENDED BUDGET.

WE HAVE SIX OF THEM OVER 110,000 MILES ON THOSE VEHICLES AS WELL. THOSE AS WE DISCUSS LAST YEAR THOSE VEHICLES ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT TO, JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE PATROL FLEET IS.

OUR A.C.O.'S WE'VE ONE RUNNING VEHICLE IN THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET, THERE WAS ONE VEHICLE.

ONE ADDITIONAL A.C.O.OR AN MALCONTROL OFFICER.

RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE ONE VEHICLE RUNNING.

SO ALL OF THAT THEN JUST TURNS TO WHERE THEN OUR PATROL DEPUTIES ARE THE ONES GOING TO ANIMAL CONTROL CALLS BECAUSE WE'RE LACKING IN THAT, IN THOSE VEHICLES.

SO OUR REQUEST, I'VE SHARED WITH SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT A $200,000 INCREASE IN THE JUDGE'S BUDGET FOR THE REQUESTED VEHICLES THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: SO YOUR QUESTION, I WANTED TO ASK YOU CAPTAIN BURNS, ON AN MALCONTROL OFFICERS, HOW MANY AN MALCONTROL OFFICERS DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW?

>> FOUR. >> FOUR.

>> WE'VE FOUR OFFICERS RIGHT NOW.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> JUDGE BECERRA: AND YOU

REQUESTED HOW MANY MORE? >> THREE.

WE'VE RUN RUNG, WE NEED THREE TO OUTFIT THE CURRENT FOUR THEN IN THE CURRENT BUDGET WE HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL WHICH WILL MAKE FIVE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS, THAT VEHICLE IS IN THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: YES, SIR. WHAT I USED TO ADD THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER TO YOUR REQUEST WAS STATS.

THAT'S WHAT I D. I GRABBED THE LAST THE, I DON'T KNOW, VICKY, WAS IT FIVE YEARS, SIX YEARS, TEN YEARS?

[INAUDIBLE] >> JUDGE BECERRA: I THOUGHT IT WAS TEN BUT I WAS BEING CONSERVATIVELY THINKING ABOUT IT. BUT I GRABBED THE STATS FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS OF ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS, WHAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS DONE IN THAT CATEGORY AND I WAS WATCHING, LOOKING TO JUSTIFY YOUR REQUEST ULTIMATELY.

I WAS ASKING IS THIS IN MY EYES, OF COURSE IT'S JUSTIFIABLE IN YOURS, YOU ASKED FOR IT BUT IN MY EYES I WAS ASK SOMETHING THIS A JUSTIFIABLE EXSENTENCE CAN I DEFEND THIS LINE ITEM? AND ON THE TEN YEAR HISTORICAL OF ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS AND THE CALLS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I REALLY, THE TREND IS DOWN.

I GUESS MAYBE BECAUSE THE CITIES ARE GROWING AND MORE CITIES ARE DOING MORE. WHO KNOWS, RIGHT? BUT TRENDS WERE DOWN OVERALL. STILL I WANTED TO SUPPORT THE ASK AND THAT'S WHY I PUT ONE IN THERE.

BUT I WANTED YOU TO KNOW I WASN'T MOVING AROUND WILLY NILLY. I WAS CONSCIENTIOUSLY DOING WHAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE MORE USEFUL FOR YOUR ASK --

>> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY MADE THAT ACCUSATION.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAYBE IS NOT GENERAL KNOWLEDGE IS THE FACTS WE HAVE THE THREE FACTS THAT ARE DOWN RIGHT NOW. THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO PUT THOSE THREE VEHICLES BACK IN WORKING CONDITION ARE OUTSIDE, IT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE IF WE GO AHEAD AND REPLACE THEM.

UP IN NUMBER ONE -- THEY'RE RUNNING GAS ENGINE VEHICLES.

THE GAS EPPING INVEHICLES CARRYING AROUND THE LARGE DEERSKIN CONTAINER ON THE BACK WEARS THE VEHICLES OUT

ESPECIALLY IN THE TERRAIN. >> JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU,

CAPTAIN. >> YOU BET.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSION COMMISSIONER INGASBY, ANY

QUESTIONS. >> IF YOU WERE GIVEN EXTRA VEHICLES WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO GET THEM WITHIN --

>> SO THAT, YES, SIR SO, THAT IS AS YOU THE NEXT THING. ONE OTHER ASK THAT I WOULD ASK THE COURT FOR IF REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY VEHICLES OR WHAT VEHICLES ARE DETERMINED, IF WE CAN GET AUTHORIZATION TO ACTUALLY ORDER BEFORE OCTOBER 1. THERE IS GOING TO BE A SHORT FALL OBVIOUSLY IN VEHICLES. MANY OF THE VEHICLES THAT WE'RE ASKING, THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR WILL PROBABLY NOT BE 2022 VEHICLES, THEY'LL MOST LIKELY BE 2021 VEHICLES THAT HAVE LITERALLY BEEN SITTING, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE

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IN MICHIGAN WITHOUT A COMPUTER SHIP IN THEM.

THOSE ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES THAT ARE MOSTLY GOING TO FLOOD THE MARKET F. WE GET BEHIND AT ALL IN THE ORDERING AND GET BEHIND HOUSTON, DALLAS, CHICAGO, LOS ANGELES, IT COULD BE ANYWHERE TO AUGUST TO NOVEMBER OF NEXT YEAR BEFORE WE EVEN SEE THE NEW

VEHICLES. >> JUDGE BECERRA: YOU HAVE TO PAY THEM AT THE TIME OF ORDERING OR DELIVERED.

>> THE WAY WE DEAL WITH ENTERPRISE WE PAY WHEN VEHICLES ARE ACTUALLY HERE. WE DO NOT PAY ANYTHING UNTIL WE RECEIVE POSSESSION OF THE VEHICLE.

>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION OR MAYBE A COMMENT.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: YES, MA'AM.

>> JUST FOR MAYBE CLARIFICATION, BUT I BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THOSE -- I DON'T

KNOW -- >> DEER SKIN A.C.O.VEHICLES.

>> TO SAVE MONEY. WHICH ARE THE CAGES THAT

THOSE VEHICLES CARRY. >> THOSE CAGES COST OVER $24,000 EACH. IN LOOKING AND TALKING WITH OUR VEHICLE MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR WHO LOOKED AT THEM, HE IS LIKE IS THERE NOTHING WRONG WITH THE DEER SKINS THEMSELVES. DEPENDING UPON WHICH VEHICLES, MAYBE A DIFFERENT MODEL, WE TALKED ABOUT DEER SKIN AND I BELIEVE IT'S A 2500 FOR THEM TO TAKE THEM OFF OF THE OLD VEHICLES AND RECONFIGURE THE MOUNTING SYSTEMS TO GO ON WHICHEVER VEHICLE WE PURCHASE AND THEN REUTILIZE THE DEER SKINS INSTEAD OF BUYING A WHOLE NEW VEHICLE WITH ALL NEW DEER SKIN CONTAINERS ON THE BACK. SO THAT'S ABOUT A 20,000 SAVINGS IN DOING THAT OPPOSED TO BUYING BRAND NOW

ONES. >> JUDGE BECERRA: THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU FOR REACHING FOR THAT FISCAL STEWARDSHIP BECAUSE THAT IS ALL WE'RE

TRYING TO DO HERE. >> YES, SIR.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: YOU ARE ON THE SAME PAGE, THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER SHELL. >> I'M GOOD.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> I'M GOOD. >> THANK YOU, CAPTAIN.

>> LAST THING ON THE LIST BACK TO THE COMMISSIONER'S QUESTION ABOUT THE JAIL. THIS YEAR OUTSOURCING ISAND STAND TO BE CORRECTED BY COMMISSIONER INBAWLINGS G, WE'VE BEEN OUTSOURCING FOR NEARLY TWO DECADES, LONG BEFORE I BECAME THE SHERIFF OF HAYS COUNTY.

IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE DEALING WITH AND IN THIS YEAR THE MONEY WAS CUT FROM THE BUDGET.

THAT'S ANOTHER THING WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSSION.

>> SHAIN SMITH CAPTAIN, JAIL OPERATIONS.

CURRENT, I BELIEVE WE WERE APPROVED OR IN THE JUDGE'S BUDGET FOR $2 MILLION FOR OUTSOURCING, IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T WANT TO MISS SPEAK.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: MY VENTION TO 0 AND OUT.

BUILDING A BIG JAIL AND MY HOPE IS THAT WE CAN DIMINISH OUR COST OF OUTSOURCING BECAUSE IT'S A HUGE CHUNK OF OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS. I KNOW I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, I KNOW IT'S NOT THE SHERIFF'S FAULT.

I'M NOT BLAMING THE SHERIFF FOR IT BUT IT'S STILL ONE OF THE COGS OF THE WHEEL THAT I HAVE TO LOOK AT.

IN MY HARDEST HEART FELT INTEREST I ZEROED OUT THE LINE ITEM SO WE COULD REALLY STOP THE BLEED.

>> OKAY. HOPEFULLY BY ANSWER COMMISSIONER SMITH'S QUESTION, THAT WILL SHED SOME LIGHT WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS THE JAIL GOES AND FULLY STAFFING, WEEK FOUR OF A 6 TO 8 WAITING PERIOD FOR PROGRAMMING EQUIPMENT. FOR THE OLD PART OF THE JAIL FOR RENOVATIONS AND THAT 6 TO 8 WEEKS ON PREVIOUS PRODUCTION PROJECTS -- PROJECTS TURNED INTO 8, 10, TO 12 WEEKS, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT STUFF IS COMING TO INNOVATE THE OLD JAIL BUT WE'RE IN WEEK FOUR OF THE 6 TO 8 WEEK WAITING PERIOD. THE COURT APPROVED SURE AND TOILET PARTITIONS. THAT SO WE DON'T HAVE AN E.T.A.ON COMPLETION. THE STAFFING REQUIRED FOR FULL JAIL OPERATIONS WILL BE 165.

WE'RE CURRENTLY NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THAT.

I THINK WE'RE AT 123 RIGHT NOW.

ONCE WE ARE AT FULL STAFFING FOR THE JAIL, OUR MAX BED COUNT WILL BE 603 WITH TAX JAIL STANDARDS RECOMMENDATION WE KEEP A BUFFER OF 10% OPEN.

THAT WILL PUT US AT 543. IF WE WERE TO RUN A FULLY STARCHED JAIL TODAY -- STAFFED JAIL TODAY USING TAX JAIL STANDARDS RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE HOVED OR OUTSOURCED THE AT 65 DOLLAR A DAY, WE WOULD STILL

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BE WITH OUR CURRENT MAX CAPACITY 4,095 A DAY WE'D STILL NEED TO OUTSOURCE EVEN IF THE JAIL WERE COMPLETELY OPERATIONAL TODAY WITH FULL STAFFING.

WE'RE STILL GOING TO NEED OUTSOURCING MONEY.

I CAN'T FORECAST THE RENOVATIONS AS WELL AS I WOULD LIKE TO, BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE TO GET TO FULL STAFFING.

AND EVEN AT FULL STAFFING, WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE RUNNING ABOUT 1.4 MILLION A YEAR.

IF WE'RE USING TODAY'S A.D.R.AT FULL CAPACITY.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: IF NOTHING ELSE CHANGE WHICH IS WHAT I HOPE DOESN'T HAPPEN. MEANING THAT JAIL IS ONLY ONE COG MUCH THE WHEEL -- OF THE WHEEL.

IN OUR COURTS, EVERYTHING ELSE NOTHING ELSE CHANGES.

WE'RE ALL THE WORKING HARD TO CHANGE THINGS THROUGH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMMISSION AND A LOT OF OTHER FRONTS.

SO MY HOPE IS THAT IT DOESN'T STAY THE SAME.

I REALLY DO. COMMISSIONER, ANY COMMENTS

OR QUESTIONS? >> I GUESS I'LL JUST SAY, JUDGE, BECAUSE IT CONTINUES TO BE BROUGHT UP THAT ONCE THIS JAIL IS, THIS PORTION OF THE JAIL IS FULLY COMPLETED, THAT WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE OUTSOURCING, THAT IS A DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

AT THE TIME WE DETERMINED WHEN WE WERE GOING TO ASK THE VOTERS TO APPROVE, TO BUILD, AND WHAT WE FELT THEY WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH, WE DETERMINED THAT THE NUMBER THAT WE SUBMITTED TO THEM WAS THE NUMBER THAT THE VOTERS HOPEFULLY WOULD APPROVE.

AND THEY DID. I KNOW IT'S A TOUGH DISCUSSION TO HAVE. AND WE COULD HAVE CERTAINLY GONE OUT FOR 1,000 BED FACILITY TO BE A TOTAL COMPLETE 1,000 BED FACILITY AND AT THE TIME WE FELT THAT WASN'T THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

AND KNOWING THAT WE WOULD STILL BE HAVING TO OUTSOURCE MOST LIKELY. WITH THE GROWTH AS WE ALL KNOW, WE GREW 53, OVER 53% IN THE LAST CENSUS.

WE ARE THE FASTEST GROWING COUNTY IN TEXAS AND THE THIRD IN THE NATION. WITH THAT UNFORTUNATELY COMES CRIME AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE OUT OF OUR HANDS.

WE ARE TRYING AND I THINK WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK TO IMPROVE WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE ARENA.

HOPEFULLY GET THE NUMBERS DOWN.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO MENTION THAT.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER.

>> WHAT IS THE AMOUNT YOU ARE ASKING FOR FOR

OUTSOURCING? >> SIR.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: WHAT IS -- >> WHAT THE AMOUNT YOU ARE

ASKING FOR FOR OUTSOURCING? >> $2 MILLION.

>> WE PUT IN 3 I THINK. >> 3.

THIS 2019 TO 2020 WE USED 3. 8 MILLION FOR OUTSOURCING.

>> RIGHT NOW, GIVE OR TAKE ABOUT $10,000 A DAY.

MIGHT BE UNDER 10, MAYBE A LITTLE OVER 10 A DAY.

THAT IS WHAT IT COSTS US RIGHT NOW.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: THEN YOU SAID WE'RE, ONCE FULLY STAFFED THE FULL JAIL, ONCE FULLY OPERATIONAL THE 603 CAPACITY JAIL STANDARDS TAKES US DOWN 10% RECOMMENDED PUTS US AT 543 BEDS.

DID YOU SAY A MILLION DOLLAR? WHAT WAS THE TOTAL.

>> 1.4 MILLION. >> JUDGE BECERRA: 1.4 MILLION BUT THAT IS NOTHING ELSE CHANGING ANYWHERE ELSE.

I'M STILL GOING TO REPEAT IT BECAUSE WORDS MATTER.

I'M NOT BLAMING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR THE OVERCROWDED JAIL. ANYTHING ELSE?

>> NO. >> JUDGE BECERRA:

COMMISSIONER SHELL 1234. >> YOU KNOW JUST IT'S A TOPIC WE TALKED ABOUT MANY TIMES, TALKING ABOUT SINCE I'VE BEEN AT THE COUNTY WHICH IS OVER 11 YEARS NOW.

THERE IS A COMBINATION OF WHEN THE JAIL IS FULLY FUNCTIONAL AND THE COST IT TAKES TO STAFF IT VERSUS THE POPULATION WE HAVE AT THE TIME.

WHAT THE OUTSOURCE SOMETHING GOING TO BE.

WE'VE SEEN A SPIKE IN THE NUMBERS THIS SUMMER WHICH USUALLY HAPPENS, WE SEE THE HIGHEST JAIL POPULATION IN THE SUMMER. GOING BACK TO APRIL OF THIS YEAR, LATE APRIL WE HAD 494. WE HAVE 610 OR SOMETHING.

ROUND ABOUT 610 NOW SO THAT IS 100 PLUS INMATES FROM

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SPRING UNTIL NOW. WE COULD, THESE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT I MAY PROPOSE. WHY IS THAT? WE KNOW IN THE SUMMER TIME WE HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE HERE IN CENTRAL TEXAS IN GENERAL. A LOT MORE TRAFFIC ON THE INTERSTATE. I NOTICE THAT.

WE NOTICE WE'RE, THE AGENCIES OF HAYS COUNTY ARE ARRESTING PEOPLE AT A HIGHER PERCENTAGE THAT ARE NOT HAYS COUNTY RESIDENTS. I'M ASSUMING THAT IS PEOPLE IN COUNTRY THAT DON'T LIVE HERE BUT ARE PASSING THROUGH. THERE IS MORE OF THAT IN THE SUMPTER THAN IN THE ANY TIME.

SO I THINK THE GOAL WOULD BE THAT THE COURTS ESPECIALLY CONTINUE TO FIND WAYS TO BECOME MORE EFFICIENT SO THAT WE CAN REDUCE THE GROWTH OF OUR JAIL POPULATION OVER TIME. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THINGS TO DO TO TRY TO FACILITATE THAT AND PROVIDE DIFFERENT SERVICES WHETHER IT'S PRE-TRIAL PUBLIC DESKS ETC. THAT HOPEFULLY CAN BE PUT INTO THE MIX OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT WILL RESULT IN AT LEAST A SLOWDOWN IN THEIN SCREES OF THOSE GETTING ARRESTED BY AS YOU MENTIONED THE SHERIFF CAN'T CONTROL. CITY OF SAN MARCOS PICKS UP SOMEBODY ON 35. THEY BRING THEM TO THE JAIL.

THE MAG GRATE DETAKES THE PERSON.

WHEN WE'RE PLANNING TO BUDGET OUTSOURCING, COMMISSION COMMISSIONER INGALSBE DID MENTION THE WAY I REMEMBER WHEN THE COURT AT THE TIME DECIDED TO BUILD AN REMODEL THE JAIL AT THE LEVEL THAT IT IS RIGHT NOW, THE COURT UNDERSTOOD THAT GROWTH PROJECTIONS SHOWED THE COUNTY WOULD VERY LIKELY BE AT THAT NUMBER, WHICH ARE CAPTAIN MENTIONED JUST THE NUMBER 543 TO WORK OFF.

A 600 BED FACILITY DESIGNED TO BE EXPANDED TO EVENTUALLY HOUSE AROUND 1,000. THAT THE SERVICE PARTS OF THE JAIL WHETHER IT'S LANDS, KITCHEN, CAN ALL BE EXPANDED. BOOKING CAN BE EXPANDED TO HANDLE ABOUT 1,000. IT'S REALLY THE BED SPACE AND THEN THE OPERATING COST TO RUN THAT BED SPACE.

THE CORRECTIONS OFFICERS. SO THE COURT AT THE TIME MADE THE DECISION AND TOLD THE PUBLIC THAT THE COURT WAS NOT GOING TO RIGHT AWAY BAILED 1,000 BED JAIL WHICH SOME HAD ADVISED THAT COUNTY SHOULD.

SOME THOUGHT THAT THE COUNTY COULD CONTROL ITS POPULATION RELATIVELY FLAT TO WHAT IT WAS AT THAT TIME.

IT DEPENDED ON WHO YOU TALKED TO AND IT DEPENDED ON PEOPLE FORECASTING THE FUTURE WHICH WE KNOW DOESN'T USUALLY WORK OUT VERY WELL. BUT THE COURT DID KNOW IT WAS LIKELY THAT OUTSOURCING WOULD BE CONTINUED.

WE HAD A QUESTION EARLIER TODAY ABOUT WHAT DOES IT COST TO HOUSE AN INMATE IN COUNTY VERSUS THE CONTRACTS AND COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH TRANSPORTING INMATES BACK AND FORTH? OBVIOUSLY OUR TRUE COST IS FAIRLY COMPLICATED. IF YOU FIGURE IN WHAT OUR AUDITORS OFFICE DOES AND ALL OF THE SPORE STAFF THAT IS USED WHETHER IT'S NOT JUST JAIL STAFF, BUT OTHER COUNTY STAFF, TREASURER, H.R., ETC. IF YOU REALLY GET TO WHAT IT COSTS, I'M GOING TO GUESS IT'S MORE THAN $100 A DAY.

IF YOU TOOK JUST ALL THOSE COSTS AND ADDED THEM UP AND DIVIDED BY HOW MANY INMATES WE HAVE, I'M GOING TO GUESS IT'S MORE THAN 100 A DAY. I'MS ARE GOING TO GUEST AT THE JAILS THAT WE'VE CONTRACTS WITH, THEIR KOST TO HAM OUR INMATES ARE MORE THAT HAPPEN WHAT THEY PROBABLY CHARGE US, WE'RE TRYING TO RECOUP THES FIXED COSTS BUT I GUARANTEE YOU IT PROBABLY COST MORE THAN $60-60 -- 65 A DAY. WE HAVE TO PAY FOR HEALTHCARE AND A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS, I'M GOING TO GUESS IT'S MORE THAN 100. I THINK I REMEMBER BILL HERDOG WHEN HE WAS THE AUDITOR, WE DID AN EXERCISE TO TRY TO TRY TO GRAB EVERY COST TO SEE WHAT IT IS.

NOW SOME COULD HAVE SAID FROM A PURE FINANCIAL STAND POINTE YOU WOULD BE BETTER OFF OUTSOURCING THAN YOU WOULD HOUSING YOUR INMATES IN COUNTY.

IF THE TRUE COST OF OUTSOURCING IS $65 PLUS TRANSPORTATION, ETC., IT PROBABLY DOES COME OUT A LITTLE BIT LESS ON WHAT WE ACTUALLY SPEND PER INMATE BUT WE ALL AGREE THAT IS NOT WHAT WE WANT TO DO BECAUSE IT IS, IT MAKES OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM EVEN MORE INEFFICIENT. AND COSTLY AND THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF LIABILITY ASSOCIATED WITH DRIVING AROUND ALL OVER TEXAS WITH DEPUTIES AND INMATES FOR BOTH OF US. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WANT TO DO THAT. THE REALITY; I BELIEVE, IS THAT AS SOON AS WE GET THIS JAIL FULLY BUILT OUT, REMODELED, FUNCTIONAL, OPERATIONAL, AT ITS MAX CAPACITY OF 543 THERE ARE GOING TO BE TIMES OF THE YEAR WE SHOULD PLAN ON OUTSOURCING, IS THERE BETTER BE MORE TIMES OF THE YEAR THAT WE HAVE FEWER THAN 543 INMATES. I'M GOING BACK TO LOOK AT

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APRIL AT -- I PICKED A RANDOM DATE IN APRIL AND GRABBED 494. I THINK WHAT THE REAL CHALLENGE IS IS THAT THE SORT IS GOING TO DO OUR BEST DURING THIS BUDGET PROCESS TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR PROGRAMS THAT I BELIEVE CAN BECOME TRANSFORMATIONAL.

BUT WE HAVE TO THEN HAVE WORK DONE FROM OUR COURT SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE OPERATING AS FAST AS THEY POSSIBLE CAN. THAT IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT IF YOU CAN'T HAVE IN PERSON HEARINGS WHICH IS SEEMS LIKE THAT IS GOING TO BE LIKELY FOR SOME TIME BEING. SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE WORKING TOGETHER. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE PROGRAMS, I'M SURE.

FURTHER ON DOWN IN THE BUDGET PLANNING TODAY.

BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE EVERY ONE WILLING TO OPEN THEIR EYES AND SAY, WHAT CAN WE DO DIFFERENTLY GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE'RE IN? I HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE.

WE CAN NO LONGER DO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE PAST. IF WE THINK THAT'S GOING TO WORK IN ANYTHING WE DO, WE'RE KIDDING OURSELVES.

YOU HAVE TO CONTINUALLY EVOLVE AND FIND WAYS TO DO THINGS BETTER, FASTER, WITH FEWER RESOURCES BECAUSE LIKE COMMISSIONER INGALSBE MENTIONED WE'RE THE THIRD FASTEST GROWING IN THE COUNTY.

ONE OF THEM WITH A WAS IN NORTH DAKOTA.

WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION HERE.

AND OUR LOCATION IN CENTRAL TEXAS ON AN INTERNATIONAL CORRIDOR AS WE SAY IS A HUGE CHALLENGE.

I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE COMPARE OURSELVES TO BRAZA COUNTY IT'S A SIMILAR SIZE COUNTY IN.

BUT IT'S ON THE WAY TO NO WHERE.

NO ONE GOES THROUGH BRAZAS COUNSELSY.

THEY GO THERE AND THEY LEAVE BRAZAS COUNTY.

THAT IS NOT THE CASE HERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN HAYS COUNTY. I GUARANTEE YOU IT'S MORE THAN THES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TOLD US LIVE HERE WHICH IS, WHAT, 240 SOMETHING -- I GUARANTEE YOU IT MAYBE DOUBLE THAT AT ANY GIVEN POINT.

IT FEELS LIKE THAT ANY TIME I TRY TO DRIVE AROUND THIS PLACE. SO I'M SITTING THIS UP FOR FUTURE DISCUSSIONS TODAY ON THIS ISSUE.

YES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME OUTSOURCING DOLLARS IN THERE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FORCE OURSELVES AS A TEAM TO STAY WITHIN THE BUDGET AND DOT THINGS THAT WE ALL HAVE TO DO TO CONTROL THE POPULATION. SOME OF THOSE ARE OUT OUT OF OUR CONTROL. SOMEONE DOES COMMIT A MURDER, SEXUALLY ASSAULTS SOMEONE AND PROBABLE CAUSE

IS THERE. >>ED INDIVIDUAL IS GOING TO BE IN THE FACILITY FOR A LONG TIME.

WE PICK UP FOR AN INDIVIDUAL FOR A WARRANT WITH SOME OF THE TYPES OF OFFENSES WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM HERE AND THEIR CHARGES HERE BEFORE THEY'RE GOING TO FACE THE CHARGES SOMEWHERE ELSE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET OUT OF OUR FACILITY WHILE WE'RE DEALING WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL BUT MR. ARE PLENTY OF INDIVIDUALS WE CAN GET THROUGH THE SYSTEM FASTER AND IT START FROM THE MINUTE THEY GET THERE. THAT'S WHAT WE ALL HAVE TO WORK ON PROVIDING RESOURCES SO WE CAN DO THAT AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE. FROM MAG STATION, GETTING THEM CONNECTED TO PRE-TRIAL SERVICES, GETTING THEM REPRESENTATION TO GET THEM THEIR DAY IN COURT.

WE HAVE TO NARROW THE TIME FRAME DOWN.

IF WE DO THAT WE CAN GET BACK DOWN INTO THE 400'S ESPECIALLY OUT OF THE SUMMER.

WE CAN MANAGE OURSELVES THROUGH THIS PANDEMC WHICH IS GOING TO CONTINUE FOR OUR COURTS.

I KNOW THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, I ASSUME WE'RE NOT GOING TO EXPECT TO HAVE A LOT OF IN PERSON HEARINGS IN THE NEAR FUTURE BUT SO I KNOW IT'S A LONG THING BUT IT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT IT IN OUR BUDGET AND OVERALL, THIS BUDGET YEAR TO ME WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT PAIN, OUR INDIVIDUALS COMPARED TO WHAT THE MARKET IS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW ON THE STREET. WE HAVE VACANCIES ACROSS DEPARTMENTS. I BELIEVE MANY OF THOSE VACANCIES ARE DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT IS VERY HARD TO COMPETE AT THE PAY THAT IS BEING OFFERED FOR JOBS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND OTHER GOVERNMENTS AS WELL.

THAT HAS TO BE A FOCUS. I THINK IT WILL BECOME A FOCUS IN THESE TALKS. THERE IS A COST TO DOING THAT. THOSE DECISION VERSUS TOSH WEIGHED. -- TO BE WEIGHED.

DO WE CREATE TEN NEW POSITIONS OR WORK ON CREATING THE TEN -- THERE HAS TO BE A BALANCE THERE AND IN WE DON'T ADDRESS MAINTAINING THE EMPLOYEES WE HAVE AND TAKING CARE OF THEM WHEN THEY KNOW THEY CAN WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR MORE MONEY, WE CAN CREATE POSITIONS ALL DAY LONG, THAT IS STRESSFUL TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED YOUR BUDGET AND THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES YOU HAVE. I UNDERSTAND THAT STRESS ON THE CURRENT INDIVIDUALS THAT HOLD THE JOBS.

BUT AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THE INDIVIDUAL. THAT IS PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANT IN THE TIMES WE'RE IN THAN CREATING OTHER POSITIONS HOPEFULLY THAT WE CAN FILL THEM WITH QUALITY

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INDIVIDUALS THEN RETAIN THEM HOPEFULLY FOR A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF THEIR CAREER IN COUNTY.

SOME THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT.

IT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE TO BALANCE ALL OF THOSE NEEDS. IT ALWAYS IS BUT I THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD STARTING POINT.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: VERY WELL SAID, I APPRECIATE IT.

THERE WERE A LOT THINGS YOU SAID THAT I THOUGHT WERE GOOD. TRANSFORMATIONAL EFFORTS, WHAT WE CAN DO DIFFERENTLY, WE CAN NO LONGER DO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. I MEAN ALL THE THINGS YOU ARE SAYING, I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE.

AND SHERIFF, ONE SECOND, I'LL BE RIGHT THERE.

BUT I, I'VE GOT TO AGREE OR MORE THAN YOU SAID WHICH IS ALSO YOU ARE AT THE END WHICH WAS WE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE DO THE RETENSION PIECE AND NOT JUST HAVE A BUNCH OF VACANT POSITIONS. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. SHE SAID I HAD CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS WITH THE STAFFINGS AND I TOILED HER, I SAID, THERE IS NO REASON TO CREATE MORE POSITIONS IF THEY CAN'T FILL THE ONES THEY HAVE. SO, SHE UNDERSTOOD THAT.

I'M SO GRATEFUL WE SEE CREATING POSITIONS DON'T MEAN ANYTHING, LET'S TAKE CARE OF THE ONCE WE HAVE AND BUILD INTELLIGENTLY. YOU ARE OUTSOURCING COMMENT IS ON THE MONEY. CALOMEL COUNTY WE HAVE A BILL FOR THE MONTH OF JULY, $195,000 FOR THE MONTH OF JULY. THAT INCLUDE -- I'M GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS ENTAILS FOR 11 JIB MATES, $2.8 MILLION IN MEDICAL IS, THIS IS OUTSOURCING, YES IT'S EXPENSIVE AND YES, WE'VE GOT TO BE RESOURCEFUL AND PUSH ON THE VERY THINGS YOU DESCRIBED.

I'M JUST, I'M SO GRATEFUL WE SEE THIS IN THIS WAY AND IT IS A BALANCING ACT AND A VERY COMPLEX THING THAT WE'VE GOT TO SEE. I KNOW WE SIGNED UP FOR IT.

BUT JUST KNOW THAT NO ONE IS BEING SINGLED OUT IN ANY DEPARTMENT. IT'S A UNIFIED COUNTY

EFFORT. >> QUICK COMMEN ALONG WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED. OUTSOURCING IS WE'RE VERY

FORTUNATE TO HAVE. >> RELATIONSHIP SHERIFF REYNOLDS DOWN THERE BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OFFERED HIM A WHOLE LOT MORE AND HE TOOK OURS.

MANY WE APPRECIATE HIM DOING THAT.

AND ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE AT THE MERCY OF THE SHERIFFS ALONG WITH COMMISSIONER SHELL SAID ABOUT MANY REASONS.

YOU ARE AT THE MERCY OF THE OTHER SHERIFFS, IF THEY CALL ME UP AND SAY COME GET THEM, THEY CAN DO THAT RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIPS, THAT IS NOT HAPPENED.

I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT HAPPENING.

ALONG THE LINE OF WHAT YOU MENTIONED COMMISSIONER, WHENEVER YOU REMEMBER WE'RE DESIGNING THE JAIL, A DESIGN, ARE A TEXTS DESIGNED, WE BID IT NOR $1 1 -- FOR 1,000. WE HAD THE DESIGN FROM ACT TEXTS, THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT AT A

LATER TODAY. >> THANK YOU.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> THANK YOU, AS WE LOOK AT THIS.

LOOKING AT THE NUMBER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

AT FULL BUILD OUT. FULL CAPACITY ONCE EVERYTHING IS RENOVATE AND DONE WE'RE SAYING 543.

THAT IS THE OVERALL NUMBER. IF WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS TODAY, WE'VE GOT 530 FELONS IN THE JAIL OR FOLKS ON FELONY CHARGES. IF WE DON'T LOOK AT ANYTHING RELATED TO MISDEMEANORS, YOU ADD THOSE, WE HAVE ANOTHER 65 IN THERE. OF THOSE 65, 29 OF THEM HAVE MULTIPLE CHARGES. SO WE'RE WELL OVER OUR NUMBER ON MULTIPLE CHARGES. IF WE TALK ABOUT 26 OF THOSE P WHO ARE IN ON MISDEMEAN OUTSIDE ON ON FOR ASSAULTIVE OFFENSES, SOME TYPE OF ASSAULT.

IF WE LOOK AT THOSE, I AGREE THERE HAS TO BE CHANGES IN THE OVERALL SYSTEM, BUT WE'RE GROWING FROM A POPULATION RATE SO SUBSTANTIALLY THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY THERE, IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THAT WE CAN'T OUTSOURCE PRISONERS. AND WE HAVE SAT HERE BEFORE AND BOTH THE JUDGE AND THE SHERIFF HAVE SAID WHENEVER WE DO THE RIBBON CUTTING AT, TO OPEN UP THE FACILITY THERE IS GOING TO BE A BUS DRIVING BEHIND US GOING TO ANOTHER COUNTY. JUDGE, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT, YET SO I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A REALIZATION THAT THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. YET YOU DON'T PROVIDE ANY FUNDING FOR THOSE PRISONERS TO STAY INCARCERATED THAT ARE, THAT WE HAVE ISSUE WITH AND THAT WE'VE THE STATUTORY AUTHORITY WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN.

OF THOSE IN THERE ON FELONIES RIGHT NOW, I MEAN OR RIGHT NOW, JUST OUR FELONIES FILL UP THE FULL NUMBER ALMOST WITHIN 10 OR PARDON ME, WITHIN 13 SPOTS OF COMPLETELY FILLING AT FULL CAPACITY WHERE WE'RE AT. I DON'T SEE ON THE FELONY

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SIDE HOW THOSE ARE GOING TO% GO DOWN IF YOU TRACK SPECIFIC NUMBERS, AS OUR POPULATION INCREASES, THERE IS A DIRECT INCREASE, PURSUANT TO THAT POPULATION INCREASE AND NUMBER OF FELL ANIES.

AND AT THE -- FELONY, AT THE RATE WE'RE GROWING WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR OUR BASE RATE IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE AROUND 545 FOR THE FELONIES, 560 BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SUCH A GROWTH IN POPULATION. WHAT WE'RE ALSO SEE SOMETHING THAT MORE OF THE FELONIES ARE MORE SERIOUS.

I MEAN, IT, I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT IN THE PAST WE NEVER HAD 39 PEOPLE IN OUR JAIL ON MURDER CHARGES BEFORE WU WE DO TODAY. I WOULD ASSUME THAT IS AN ALL TIME HIGH. IT HAS A DIRECT RELATION TO OUR POPULATION. SO I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT THERE WAS NO MONEY IN THERE FOR OUTSOURCING.

I MEAN IF WE'RE TRULY LOOKING AT, IF WE WANTED TO STOP THE BLEEDING AS THE SHERIFF SAID AND SAVE MONEY, WE COULD ALWAYS SEND THESE PRISONERS TO ANOTHER COUNTY AND THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, IT WOULD BE CHEEPER ON THE TAXPAYERS. BUT WE HAVE A STATUTORY DUTY IN TEXAS THAT OUR COUNTY HAS TO MAINTAIN A JAIL.

AND THAT THERE IS AN EXPECTATION WE DO IT IT IN A WAY WHERE WE CAN PROVIDE TRUE JUSTICE FOR NOT ONLY THE, THOSE VICTIM OF CRIME BUT HOPEFULLY A SYSTEM WHERE THOSE WHO ARE CHARGED WITH CRIME GET THEIR DAY IN COURT AND HAVE GOOD REPRESENTATION.

AND I FOR ONE DON'T BELIEVE SENDING PRISONERS ALL OVER THE STATE IS THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT, BUT I DO THINK WE'RE BEING VERY SHORT SIGHTED TO NOT THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THIS ESPECIALLY SINCE EVERY ONE OF US ON THE DIAS ALONG WITH THE SHERIFF AND THE JAIL STAFF, AT LEAST FOR THE TWO AND A HALF YEARS I'VE SAID EVERY TIME WE'VE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE IT AND WE'VE ALL BEEN IN AGREEMENT. I DO FEEL LIKE BY CUTTING THAT, THE REQUEST WAS $3 MILLION.

CUTTING THAT OUT OF THE BUDGET AND BECAUSE THAT WAS A KNOWN NUMBER, RIGHT NOW LOOKING AT OUR OVERALL BUDGET NUMBER FOR THE TAX RATE, THERE IS NO WAY THAT IF WE PUT OUTSOURCING IN THERE IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE SOME IMPACT. LOOKING AT THE OVERALL TAX RATE IN THE BIG IMPLICATION TO GET TO THE TAX RADAR WE'RE AT, THERE IS TWO, AT LEAST FOR ME THERE, IS TWO THINGS THAT STAND OUT TO GET TO THE TAX RATE THIS.

IS ONE OF THEM. THIS $3 MILLION AND FACT IS IS THAT IN THE JUDGE'S BUDGETING WAY, JUDGE, YOU BROUGHT DOWN THE TAX RATE OUT OF THE RESERVES BY ABOUT THE TUNE OF A LITTLE OVER $5 MILLION.

SO IN WE LOOK AT THE -- IF WE LOOK AT THE CURRENT GROWTH AND SPECIFICALLY SPENDING OUR RESERVES THAT WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AGAIN AND THIS ARE $3 MILLION FOR OUTSOURCING, THIS IS WHERE THE TAX RARITY COMES FROM. -- RATE COMES FROM.

I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW PERSONALLY IF I, THERE IS NO WAY I CAN SUPPORT A BUDGET I CAN TELL YOU THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE SOME OUTSOURCING DOLLARS.

I DN'T KNOW WHAT THAT WILL BE.

I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO NEGOTIATE LATER TODAY, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S ONE COG IN THE ENGINE THAT MAKES THE BUT THE WORK BUT IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE TWO LARGEST COGS TO GET TO THE TAX RATE THAT YOU SET IN YOUR BUDGET. AND THAT IS WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT MONEY BACK IN THAT SPECIFIC LINE.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

I'LL SAY THAT YOU'VE SAID, I WANT TO TAKE A LITTLE SHORT MOMENT TO PROVIDE A LITTLE FINER GRAN YOU LATED CLARIFICATION ON WHAT YOU SAID.

THAT I PROVIDED NO FUNDING FOR THE JAIL.

THAT COULD HAVE BEEN AN ACCIDENT.

>> I SAID YOU PROVIDED NO FUNDING FOR OUTSOURCING.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: I WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE YOU SAID BOTH. SO I DID PROVIDE NOT ONLY FUNDING FOR THE JAIL BUT FUNDING FOR BECAUSE I WANT TO PUT MY MONEY WHERE MY MOUTH; I PUT THE SHERIFF ASKED FOR THE SLATE OF FOLKS TO FILL THE JAIL WITH EMPLOYEES TO PROPERLY STAFF A 543 BED FACILITY.

SO I MADE SURE I DIDN'T SAY, OKAY.

LET ME CHAIN YOU UP, SHERIFF AND THROW YOU IN THE LAKE, NOW GO SWIM. NO, I YIELDED ALL THESE SUPPORT YOU NEED SOD YOU COULD RUN A PROPERLY STAFFED JAIL AS WELL. ANDMENT -- AND JUST TO BE CLEAR NEVER DO I HAVE ANY INTENTION OF DEFENDING ANYTHING ABOUT RELEASING DANGEROUS PEOPLE INTO OUR COMMUNITY. ABSOLUTELY NOT BUT THERE ARE AS THE GOVERNOR PERRY SAID AND IT'S NOT THE SHERIFF'S RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THIS PIECE BUT EXCLUSIVELY BUT

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GOVERNOR PERRY SAID THERE ARE THESE VICK TICKLESS CRIMES, WHAT IS IT, LIKE, A JOINT IN YOUR POCKET OR STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT WE DON'T NEED TO BOG DOWN THE JAIL OVER AND SO MY HOPE IS AGAIN PEDALING BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER SHELL WAS REITERATING WAS TO CHANGE THINGS IN A WAY THAT IS MOST IMPACTFUL AND COMPLETE AND NOT JUST LOOKING AT THE JAIL OR JUST THE OUTSOURCING WITH THE NEW CAPACITY. BUT AS A HOLISTIC APPROACH, SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENT. WE'RE ALL GOING TO TWEAK HERE. WE'RE GOING TO TWEAK THERE AND GOING TO TWEAK DIFFERENT PLACES THEN WE WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE OUTCOME IS BUT IN THE MEAN TIME, I UNDERSTAND A FELONY, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A.C.C.IN OUR COUNTY, WE'VE MORE THAN ONE FOOTPRINT OF IT.

WE'VE TEXAS STATE UNIVERSITY.

WE KNOW THAT IS OVER 140,000 PEOPLE ON THE CAMPUS.

JUST TO BE HONEST, A PERSON WITH A JOINT IN THEIR POCKET IS NOT SOMEONE THAT SHOULD BE IN THE JAIL.

IF THAT IS THE ONLY REASON. AND A PERSON THAT HAS ANED AURAL IN THEIR --ED AER RAUL IN THEIR POCKET THAT IS LABELED A FELONY SO MY HOPE IS THAT WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE ALL PAY THE PRICE.

I DON'T CARE WHAT SIDE OF ANY OF YOU STAND IN WE ALL PAY THE PRICE. FOO WE DON'T DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WE CONTINUE TO BURN OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS IN WAYS THAT AREN'T USEFUL FOR US AS A COMMUNITY.

BECAUSE WHEN THE PERSON WITH A JOINT IN THEIR POCKET GETS OUT OF JAIL, PICK ANOTHER SITUATION, WHATEVER IS AN OFFENSE THEY COME BACK IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY'RE GOING TO WALK PAST LEAST DISRUPTIVE WITH THEAT- VICTIMLESS STUFF THAT THE GOVERNOR OUTLINED.

I WANT TO PUSH ON THAT FRONT THROUGH THE PUBLIC DEFENDERS' OFFICE, THROUGH OTHER EFFORTS.

NOT THAT I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO WITH MY BUDGET TO SAY, NO ON RUNNING A FULLY STAFFED JAIL.

THAT IS TOTALLY FARTHEST FROM THE TRUTH, SHERIFF.

YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, RIGHT. I KNOW YOU DO BUT I WANTED TO SAY T. YOU AND I HAVE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS.

YOU KNOW YOU WHERE FROM I'M COMING FROM, THANK YOU.

>> WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT AS -- WHEN I GOT THE NUMBERS THERE WAS NO MISDEMEANORS IN THE HAYS COUNTY JAIL FOR NARCOTICS ONLY. NONE FOR MISDEMEANORS FOR NARCOTICS ONLY, TO ECHO WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, THANK YOU, SIR, THANK YOU, CAPTAIN SMITH, ANYTHING ELSE ON THE JAIL UPPED TO TALK ABOUT THAT WE HAVEN'T AL LATED TIME FOR -- ALLOCATED

TIME FOR? >> KNOW -- NO SIR.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? WE'RE GOOD.

ACCORDING TO THE CAL TA DAR HERE WE'RE -- CALENDAR HERE WE'RE GOING TO VISIT WITH THE DISTRICT COURTS AT 10:30, SHERIFF IF YOU'VE NOTHING ELSE WE'RE RUNNING BEHIND. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

WHAT WE CAN DO FOR THREE MINUTES IS TAKE A SHORT.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: OKAY. WE'RE BACK FROM A SHORT RECESS. WE CONTINUE ON OUR WORKSHOP, BUDGETING WORKSHOP. WE'RE NOW ON TO DISTRICT COURTS. FULL' STATE YOUR NAME AND TITLE FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC.

>> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS STEVE THOMAS, DISTRICT COURTED A MINIMUM TRAITOR FOR HAYS COUNTY.

-- ADMINISTRATE OOH. JUDGE STEELE COULDN'T BE HERE, HE IS IN COURT. HE WANTED TO SEND HIS APOLOGIES FOR NOT COMING. HE SENT ME THIS.

IS WHO YOU ARE STUCK WITH. FIRST THING, WE'RE ASKING FOR A PROPOSED BAILIFF PAY SCALE.

BUT FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST SIX MONTHS IN PARTICULAR, AND OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST 7 OR 8 YEARS, I DID WANT TO PUBLICLY THANK THE SHERIFF YOU FOR ALL THEIR SUPPORT AND HIS STAFF FOR HELPING US OUT. ESPECIALLY THIS SUMMER, THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS REAL DEA GREAT JOB FOR US -- REALLY DID A GREAT JOB FOR US.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK CONSTABLE PETERSON BECAUSE HIS OFFICE REALLY STEPPED UP ALSO AND HELPED US OUT IN THESE TIMES THAT WE'VE LOST A COUPLE OF PEOPLE DUE TO RETIREMENT. ALSO SOME OF ITSELF OTHER CONSTABLE'S OFFICES WE'VE REACHED OUT TO ALSO.

WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS FOR Y'ALL TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION FOR THE KUSS FISCAL 2022 BUDGET IS A SALARY PHONE FOR THE DISTRICT COURT BALLIVES THAT

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IS COMPARABLE TO THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, NOT -- I WANT TO REIT DOOR REITERATE NOT THE SAME AS COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.

MY PLAN, THE SALARY IS LOWER THAT HAPPEN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, IT'S ABOVE THE JAIL OFFICER PAY GRADES, BUT BELOW THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PAY GRADE.

OUR CURRENT PAY SCALE IS BASED ON A STEP LEVEL VERSUS THE TIME OF SERVICE. NOW IF I'M WRONG IN ANY OF THIS, SOMEBODY PLEASE CORRECT ME, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT DEPUTIES GET PAID ON A PAY SCALE BASED UPON TIME OF SERVICE FOR THE MOST PART. I THINK THERE IS OTHER FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY. OTHER LOWEST AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR BAIL I WAS, THEIR -- BAILIFFS, THEIR AMOUNT OF SERVICE TIME IS OVER 14 YEARS ALL THE WAY UP TO ALMOST 25 YEARS. 30 YEARS.

I AM PROPOSING THAT THE BAILIFFS GO TO A M.B.S.6 ON THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING PAY SCALE.

OF COURSE IF WE GO BY THEIR TIME, THE, PROBABLY EACH WIN OF THEM WOULD BE MAXED OUT. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE FAIR RIGHT NOW. I HAVE TALKED THIS OVER WITH THE BAILIFFS AND THEY ARE OKAY WITH NOT TAKING AS MUCH AS THE YEARS OF SERVICE ON THIS COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT. THEY ALSO DON'T RECEIVE ANY STIPENDS FOR ANY CERTIFICATIONS OR SPANISH SPEAKING, ANY OF THAT SORT. AND THE NEW POSITION IN THE BUDGET, THE NEW BAILIFF POSITION FOR THE NEW COURT COMING, THAT IS SET AT $56,000.

THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT OUR BAILIFFS ARE GETTING PAID. THEY'RE ACTUALLY GETTING PAID STARTING PAY IS $51,000.

SO. >> THAT INCLUDES UNIFORM

ALLOWANCE OF $720 ANNUALLY. >> YES.

SO ALMOST $52,000. THEN KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'VE HAD SINCE FEBRUARY WHEN WE HAD ONE OF OUR BAILIFFS RETIRE IN FEBRUARY THEN WE HAD ANOTHER ONE RETIRE IN MAY. OVER THE COURSE OF SIX MONTHS WE'VE APPROXIMATELY HAD 15 APPLICANTS.

IT'S HARD TO COMPETE WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS FAR AS IN THE SALARY AND THE OTHER BENEFITS THAT COME ALONG WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SALARY.

WE DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

WE DON'T WANT THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING PRICE.

WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO RETAIN OUR PEOPLE.

AND IF THERE IS SOMEBODY FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THAT WANTS TO COME OVER TO THE COURT, WE'RE ABLE TO PAY THEM WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY MAKING.

BASICALLY, THERE'S IT. >> JUDGE BECERRA: ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MR. THOMAS. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? WE COULD START WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> THANK YOU. THE COUNTY COURTS OF LAW HAVE BEEN USING THE CONSTABLE DEPUTIES FOR BAILIFFS. UNDERSTANDING THE SITUATION Y'ALL HAVE HAD IN TRYING TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS THEN TRYING TO COBBLE TOGETHER WHETHER THE DEPUTIES, CONSTABLE DEPUTIES TO FILL SOME OF THE NEEDS THAT Y'ALL SINCE YOU ARE SHORT STAFFED. HAS THERE, HAVE Y'ALL EVER DISCUSSED USING THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE FOR

BAILIFF SERVICES? >> ON A FULL TIME BASIS?

>> ON A FULL TIME BASIS? >> NO.

>> SO Y'ALL'S WISH IS TO CONTINUE WITH BAIL I WAS AS EMPLOYEES OF THE DISTRICT COURTS THAT THEIR COMMISSION

CARRIED BY THE SHERIFF? >> YES.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONER JONES,

COMMISSIONER INGALSBE. >> I GUESS SORT OF ON THE LINES OF COMMISSIONER SHELL'S COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION IS TO ALLOW THESE BAILIFFS TO BE UNDER THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE SINCE THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE DOING COUNTY COURT AT LAW BAILIFFING AND JUST TO TRANSFER THE POSITIONS OVER TO HIS DEPARTMENT. I KNOW THAT IT'S TOUGH AT TIMES FOR THE SHERIFF, THEY'RE SHORT STAFFED A LOT OF TIMES AND HAVE THEIR OFFICERS DOING OTHER THINGS.

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SO I WOULD JUST APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION.

>> I'LL TALK IT OVER WITH THE DISTRICT JUDGES AND GET THEIR INPUT, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S REALLY NOT ON THE FABLE FOR THEM -- TABLE FOR THEM.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, STEVE.

>> THANK YOU. >> JUDGE BECERRA: NEXT UP WE'VE HAYS COUNTY CHILD PROTECTIVE BOARD SO WE HAVE MISS KAREN BROWN THAT SEEMS TO BE APPROACHING THE

PODIUM. >> OUR PRESIDENT --

[INAUDIBLE] >> JUDGE BECERRA: IF YOU WOULD PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.

STATE YOUR NAME AND TITLE. >> MY NAME IS KAREN BROWN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IN THE WORMED MY TITLE WOULD BE.

-- WORLD MY TITLE WOULD BE, RETIREE, MEMBER OF THE CHILD

PROTECTIVE BOARD. >> JUDGE BECERRA: PERFECT.

MEMBER OF THE CHILD PROTECTIVE BOARD.

>> THIS MORNING I'M SPEAKING AS A MEMBER OF THE CHILD PROTECTIVE BOARD. EXCUSE ME.

I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR I'M NOT ASKING FOR A NEW POSITION. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE CHILD PROTECTIVE BOARD WE'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS.

WE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. WE GET NO MONEY AT ALL FROM THE COUNTY FOR US. I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSION AND THE JUDGE FOR RECOMMENDING THAT WE RECEIVE THE FUNDING THAT WE GOT LAST YEAR.

WE DIDN'T ASK FOR AN INCREASE BECAUSE OF THE GENEROSITY OF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT WITH ALL OF OUR HELP WITH THE RAIN BEAU ROOM.

HAVING A BUILDING THAT WE'VE HAD RENOVATED PARTIALLY WITH COUNTY MONEY AND MATCHED BY A LOCAL FAMILY AND THEN OTHER MONEY FROM OTHER FAMILIES.

NOT ASKING FOR A NEW POSITION.

BUT WE DO HAVE A POSITION RIGHT NOW, EXCUSE ME, OF A WOMAN WHO IS A VOLUNTEER. I MEAN EXCUSE ME, AN EMPLOYEE INTERN, HER POSITION IS CURRENTLY HOVED IN MARK KENNEDY'S DIVISION. HE GRACIOUSLY OFFERED US THAT TO HAVE THE POSITION. SHE IS HIRED AT $12 AN HOUR FOR 20 HOURS A WEEK. SHE HAS BEEN IN THE POSITION FOR SINCE ABOUT THE 15TH OF JULY.

THAT POSITION AS I UNDERSTAND IT RUNS THROUGH OCTOBER. SO THIS IS AN INTERN POSITION AT $12 AN HOUR. SHE WORKS AS THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE RAINBOW ROOM.

AND I THINK ALL OF YOU -- COMMISSION E ALL OF YOU KNOW WHAT THE RAIN RAINBOW ROOM S. YOU KNOW WHAT WE DO THAT.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: RIGHT. >> BEFORE WE HIRED THE INTERN, THROUGH THE COUNTY WE DIDN'T HIRE HER.

SHE WAS HIRED THROUGH MARK'S OFFICE AS AN INTERN.

BEFORE SHE WAS HIRED, SAM TUZO WHO IS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF CHILD PROTECTIVE BOARD AS COMMITTEE COMPLETELY AS A VOLUNTEER HAS BEEN RUNNING THE RAINBOW ROOM WITH THE HELP OF THE OTHER RAINBOW ROOM COMMITTEE MEMBERS INCLUDING MYSELF AND MARY COBBLE AND JEANNE AND SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE BUT SHE THE WORK.DOING THE BULK OF- SHE IS FULLY EMPLOYED AND THIS BECAME, WE COULD SEE IN THE SPRING ONCE WE REALLY OPENED THE RAINBOW ROOM THIS WAS NOT TENABLE.

WE COULDN'T HAVE A VOLUNTEER BOARD MEMBER FULLY EMPLOYED RUNNING THIS RAINBOW ROOM ADEQUATELY.

THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE INTERNSHIP POSITION, WHAT THE RAINBOW ROOM COMMITTEE IS QUESTIONING FROM THE COMMISSIONERS WHICH WAS DISCUSSED IF YOU REMEMBER AND IF ANY OF YOU DON'T REMEMBER, TELL ME, BUT IT WAS DISCUSSED WHEN WE CREATED THE INTERNSHIP POSITION AND IT WAS FUNDED THAT WE WOULD TALK ABOUT MAKING IT A PERMANENT POSITION STARTING IN THIS FALL'S BUDGET. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP UP TO DATE ON THAT? NO, OKAY.

SO, SORRY. ANYWAY, SO THAT IS WHAT I'M HERE TO DO ASK TO ASK YOU TO MAKE THIS A REGULAR EMPLOYEE RATHER THAN AN INTERN AND PUT THAT IN THE BUDGET.

LIKE I SAID WE LOOKED IN THE BUDGET.

WE SAW THAT YOU HAD RECOMMENDED, THAT IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE GET THE $60,000 THAT WE USED TO TAKE CARE OF THE CHILDREN THAT ARE, ABUSE AND NEGLECTED CHILDREN IN THE COUNTY. WE DIDN'T SEE THIS POSITION IN THE BUTTS. SO -- IN THE BUDGET.

I'M HERE ASK TO YOU TO PUT THAT IN.

WHAT WE WANTED TO ASK FOR WAS 30 HOURS A WEEK WITH A

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BASE SALARY OF $23,40 BUT IN TALKING WITH STAFF AT THE COUNTY WE WERE ADVISED TO ASK FOR $29 HOURS A WEEK BECAUSE THAT SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF FICA, MEDICARE AND RETIREMENT EXPENSE.

SO THAT WOULD TAKE OUR ORIGINAL THOUGHT, WE WANTED LIKE I SAID 30 HOURS A WEEK. THAT WOULD TAKE THE OVERALL COST FROM APPROXIMATELY, THIS IS ROUGH APPROXIMATELY $36,000 A YEAR TO ROUGHLY $27,500 A YEAR OR 27,500 A YEAR. 27,50 YEAH, THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION. WE JUST WOULD LIKE TO ASK THIS MORNING THAT THIS POSITION CHANGING FROM AN INTERN TO A OR TO A REGULAR EMPLOYEE BE PUT INTO THE BUDGET. THAT IS OUR REQUEST THIS MORNING. I HAVE LISTS OF WHAT OUR CURRENT EMPLOYEE AS AN INTERN, THE THINGS SHE HAS ALREADY DONE AND TAKEN OFF THE PLATE FROM MISS TUZ O.

SHE IS A GREAT EMPLOYEE RIGHT NOW.

GREAT INTERN AND SHE HAS BEEN DOING MANY DIFFERENT THINGS. IF YOU WANT I'LL GO OVER THOSE. IF NOT I'LL ANSWER YOUR

QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT. >> JUDGE BECERRA: COMMISSIONER SMITH? COMMISSIONER SHELL.

>> THANK YOU. >> JUDGE BECERRA: I'M

CHECKING. >> I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I DO RECALL THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD AND REGARDING THIS POSITION.

AND I APPRECIATE MARC KENNEDY USING HIS FUNDING FOR THE POSITION WE CURRENTLY HAVE RIGHT NOW.

THEN I THINK IT WAS DISCUSSED IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE IT IN THE VICTIM ASSISTANCE --

>> I WAS GOING TO MENTION THAT, COMMISSIONER.

I TOLD MISS BROWN THAT I THINK THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE SECURE THE FUNDING THEN FINALIZE HOW THE POSITION WOULD BE HOUSED IN COUNTY. I THINK THE IDEA BEING THAT THE POSITION SHOULDN'T BE SUPERVISED ULTIMATELY BY A BOARD OF VOLUNTEERS BUT BY A DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTY.

VICTIM SERVICES SEEMS TO US LIKE A RATIONALE OPERATIONS TO PUT T. I DID MENTION THIS TO WES MAU ONCE BEFORE BUT IT HAS BEEN A WHILE. IF THE COURT IS INCLINED TO PRODUCE THE FUNDING, WE'LL THEN GO TO WORK AND I'LL WORK WITH SHERRY TO MAKE SURE WE PUT IT IN THE PROPER PLACE AND THERE ARE PROBABLY A FEW PLACES TO PUT T. I THINK THAT IS THE BEST OR THE MOST, THE ONE THAT MAKES

MOST SENSE TO ME. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> JUST TO REITERATE WE'RE ASKING FOR BETWEEN $27,500 SOMETHING DOLLARS AND 36,100 POSITION IN THE BUDGET TO BE CHANGED FROM THE EARNSHIP POSITION, THANK YOU Y'ALL VERY MUCH.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU, THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU DO. WE'RE GENUINELY A BETTER COMMUNITY BECAUSE YOU ARE IN IT.

>> WHAT THE FACE ARE FACING WE SAYS EVERY YEAR -- WE FACE EVERY YEAR TREMENDOUS INCREASE IN NUMBERS OF CHILDREN THAT ARE BEING SEEN EVEN DURING COVID.

WE DIDN'T SEE AS MANY CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY WERE HIDDEN. THEY WEREN'T IN SCHOOL.

THEY WEREN'T GOING TO THEIR DOCTORS, NEIGHBORS WEREN'T SEEING THEM. BUT WE HAVE HAD A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE EVEN AS OF AUGUST TO THE NUMBERS IN THE RAINBOW ROOM AND ALSO FOR THE WHOLE CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY AS A POPULATION GROWS CHILD ABUSE AND NEGLECT GROWS.

WE DO EVERYTHING WE TO PREVENT IT BUT YOU CAN'T PREVENT EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE WHO BREAK THE LAW DO.

YOU CAN'T PREVENT THE CHILD ABUSE AND NEGLECT COMPLETELY. WE'RE DOING OUR BEST.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. >> JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT UP WE HAVE HUMAN RESOURCINGS, IF I APPROACH THE PODIUM.

STATE YOUR NAME AND TITLE FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC.

>> PASS THEM DOWN. >>

>> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE, COURT MEMBERS.

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A LITTLE BACKGROUND. >> JUST FOR THE --

>> SHERRY MILLER HAYS COUNTY HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU. >> MONTHS AGO YOU DIRECTED MYSELF AND MY STAFF TO CONDUCT A SALARY ANALYSIS OF COUNTY POSITIONS. KNOWING THAT WE WERE STRUGGLING TO FILL SOME POSITIONS AND ADDRESSING SALARY ISSUES AS WELL AS DEPARTMENT'S REQUESTSFOR CHANGES IN THEIR POSITIONS. JUST SO VERY QUICK SUMMARY.

WE, MY SATISFY AND I HAVE COMPLETED THAT REVIEW.

WE ADDED PER THE COURT'S DIRECTION SEVERAL NEW ENTITIES INTO OUR MARKET MIX INCLUDING BRAZ ORIA, BRAZA, RECTOR, ELLIS SMITH AND WEBB COUNTY AS WELL AS THE CITIES OF GEORGETOWN AND ROUND ROCK.

ADDING THOSE ENTITIES COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS ENTITIES OF COLLIN, KAMAL, ZENDEN, AND OTHERS, CITIES OF KYLE, NEW BROSLES AND SAN MARCOS DIDN'T DRAGS TICKICALLY CHANGE OUR MARKET POSITION.

SO I LOOKED AT THE DATE BOTH WAYS.

WITH AND WITHOUT THE NEW SOURCES.

WE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THOSE COUNTIES, SOME ARE NOT AS PROGRESSIVE AS WE THOUGHT THEY MIGHT BE IN TERMS OF THEIR PAY AND BENEFIT STRUCTURES.

SOME WERE MORE PROGRESSIVE THAN WE THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE. SO WE FOUND A GOOD MIX OF INFORMATION WHICH IS FABULOUS FOR US TO HAVE IN OUR WHEELHOUSE. THE INFORMATION I SENT TO YOU LAST WEEK WAS MORE EDUCATIONAL ABOUT HOW A PAY PLAN IS DESIGNED AND HOW OUR SYSTEM IS AND HAS BEEN DEVELOPED AND UTILIZED BUT LET'S JUMP DIRECTLY TO THE ANALYSIS RESULTS, PAGE 4. BEFORE I DO THAT, LET ME TALK A FEW MINUTES ABOUT UNEMPLOYMENT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN TEXAS AND SPECIFICLY IN OUR PARTICULAR HOW MANY TIMESY AND OUR REGION.

RIGHT NOW, WELL, AS OF JUNE, IN TEXAS, THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS AROUND 6.5%. AND WHAT DO THAT IS MEAN? IT MEANS THERE IS NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE UNEMPLOYED.

PEOPLE WHERE WE MAY BE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING APPLICANTS, PEOPLE ARE STILL WORKING FROM HOME IN A LOT OF CASES FOR A LOT OF EMPLOYERS.

OUR PARTICULAR M.S.A.OF AUSTIN ROUND ROCK IS WHERE SAN MARCOS IS CONNECTED. HERE IN TEXAS, OUR ENEMPLOYMENT RATE WAS 4.8% IN JUNE.

WE WONDER WHY CAN WE NOT HIRE, WHERE ARE THE APPLICANTS? THEY ARE AT HOME WORKING FOR WHOM EVER THEY'VE BEEN WORKING FOR AND THEY ARE CARNED ABOUT THE CORONAVIRUS -- CONCERNED ABOUT THE CORONAVIRUS STILL.

THEY DON'T WANT TO COME INTO THE WORKPLACE FOR ONE REASON. OTHER REASONS THEY'RE STILL CHILDCARE AND OUR FAMILY OBLIGATIONS.

THEY ARE HEALING OUT FOR BETTER OPPORTUNITIES.

THEY'RE HOLDING THE GOLDEN TICKET.

IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A JOB, AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT CREDENTIALS, YOU ARE PRETTY MUCH IN THE DRIVERS' SEAT FOR WAGES, BENEFITS, THE TYPE OF WORK ENVIRONMENT YOU GO TO. OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HOLDING PEOPLE AWAY FROM OUR APPLICANT POOL, EXPANDED UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, THAT WHICH JUST RECENTLY STOPPED.

NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR JOBS, AND THINGS THAT WE CAN DO N ANDLINE TOUCHED ON THIS IS ADDRESS -- AND LON TOUCHED ON THIS IS WHERE OUR WAGES ARE FOR THE CURRENT EMPLOYEES TO HELP RETAIN THEM AND ATTRACT NEW EMPLOYEES.

SO THE MARKET ANALYSIS SHOWS THAT OUR, FOR OUR BENCH MARC POSITIONS POSITIONS THAT WE IDENTIFY THAT ARE COMMON ACROSS THE MARKET ENTITIES, WHEN I LOOK AT THE MID POINT, OUR MIDPOINTS ARE OFF BY ABOUT 12%.

IT HAS BEEN SINCE 2019 THAT WE MOVED OUR SALARY RANGES.

IN OUR GOAL OF KEEPING OUR POSITIONS AND OUR SALARY PLAN IN A COMPETITIVE PLACE, NOT THE LEADER AND NOT THE LAGER, BUT IN A COMPETITIVE PLACE IN THE MARKET, AND IN OUR COMMUNITY, BEING DOWN 12% JUST MEANS NEXT YEAR

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WE'RE GOING TO BE FURTHER DOWN IF WE DON'T TOUCH THE RANGE AND CONTINUALLY MOVE IT.

SO OUR, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE, NUMBER ONE, ADDRESS OUR SALARY RANGE. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE RANGES WHERE ALL OF OUR POSITIONS ARE THAT ARE NOT IN COLLECTIVE BARGAINING SO IS THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED IN F.Y.22-23. MOVING THAT RANGE MY VENTION 4%, IT DOESN'T -- MY VENTION 4%, IT DOESN'T TOLLLY FIX THE 12%, BUT IT HELPS SHOW WHAT WE HIRE PEOPLE AT IS PROGRESSIVE MOVING. WE CURRENTLY HAVE OVER 100 POSITIONS THAT ARE VACANT. WE'VE, SO WE HAVE 57 JOBS POSTED. SOME OF THOSE POSTINGS APPLY TO MULTIPLE VACANT SLOTS. WE NORMALLY HAVE 20-25 JOBS POSTED. SO WE'RE AT DOUBLE.

THE WALL IN MY LOBBY IS HIDEOUSLY COVERED WITH WHITE PAPER OF JOB POSTINGS. SO WITH THE POSTINGS WE'VE NOT A LOT OF APPLICANTS. OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS AND ELECTED OFFICES ARE STRUGGLING TO FIND QUALIFIED CANDIDATES FROM THE FEW APPLICANTS THAT WE'RE GETTING. MOVING THAT MINIMUM WILL HOPEFULLY HELP ADDRESS THAT SITUATION, HOPE ATTRACT MORE POSITIONS. AS WELL AS OUR JOB POSTINGS SYSTEM THAT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED.

THE GOAL IS TO IMPLEMENT AUGUST 1 SO YOU DON'T TURN IN A PAPER APPLICATION OR E-MAIL YOU GO ON THE WEBSITE. YOU DRIVES TO NEOGOV, THE APPLICATION IS THERE. HIT COMMIT EVEN FROM YOUR PHONE. AND WE ANTICIPATE AN INCREASE IN NUMBER OF APPLICANTS JUST FROM THAT SYSTEM. ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS JUNCTURE? BOTTOM LINE FOR THAT IS THAT FOR OUR OPEN RANGE PAY PLAN, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE PLAN MOVE 4%. WHAT DO WE DO WITH ALL THE PEOPLES THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE PLAN? WORKING WITH VICKY, AND BRITNEY IN TERMS OF ADMINISTERING SALARY CHANGES, IT IS MY RECOMMENDATION THAT ANY EMPLOYEES WHOM SALARIES ARE BELOW THE NEW, IF THE PLAN WERE TO MOVE 4%, THE, ALL OF THE SALARIES WOULD INCREASE AT LEAST TO THE MANIPULATE -- MINIMUM.

WE HAVE A HANDFUL OF EMPLOYEES THAT AREN'T AT 0% BUT THEY'RE BETWEEN 0 AND 1% FOR WHATEVER REASON.

SO MOVING THOSE SALARIES UP TO THE NEW MINIMUM, SO BASICALLY 4%, WITH THE FEW EXCEPTIONS, THE JUDGE BUILT INTO HIS RECOMMENDED BUDGET A 2% SALARY INCREASE FOR ALL EMPLOYEES. SO THE WAY THAT VICKY AND I CAME UP WITH THIS IS THAT FOR ANY EMPLOYEE WHOSE SALARY IS ABOVE THE NEW MINIMUM, THEN THEY WOULD GET THE 2%. PLUNK, THERE IS 2%.

THEN ANOTHER 2% MERIT CALCULATED ON THE SECT GROUP OF EMPLOYEES WAGES AS OF AUGUST 31ST.

SO IT GIVES OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS AND LOCATED OFFICIALS THE OPPORTUNITY TO REWARD EMPLOYEES THAT MEET THE MERIT CRITERIA AND WE MAY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT CRITERIA AS DEPARTMENT HEADS. IT GIVES PLOYS EMPLOYEES THE REASSURANCE WE'RE ADDRESSING THE COST OF THEIR JOB AND THE COST OF LIVING. NOT JUST WHAT THE PRICE OF THEIR JOB IS, BUT WHAT IT COST TO LIVE AND TO KEEP UP WITH THAT INFLATION AS IT IS AND THEN THE MERIT, SO IT WAS A TOUGH YEAR. IT WAS, IT HAS BEEN A TOUGH 16 MONTHS. WITH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AT FIRST HOW DO WE WORK WITHOUT PHYSICALLY BEING HERE.

WHO CAN, WHO CAN'T, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO THAT? AND WE'VE GOT THE GAMUT FROM A. TO Z. PROBABLY THOSE THAT, THAT DIDN'T THRIVE IN THAT STRUCTURE, AND THOSE THAT DID. SO ONLY OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS NOW THAT SPECIFICALLY.

HOPING THAT THE COURT WILL CONSIDER THAT MIXTURE OF

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SALARY CHANGES, RANGE INCREASE AND WAYS TO ADDRESS THE WAGES OF OUR CURRENT EMPLOYEES.

>> HAVE YOU CALCULATED THE COSTS?

>> VICKY HAS WORD ON THE CRAIGS OF THE COST.

-- CALCULATION OF THE COST. >> SO THE 4% MOVEMENT WOULD COST APPROXIMATELY 1.4 MILLION.

JUST A LITTLE OVER 1.4 MILLION.

THE REGRADED POSITIONS IS JUST UNDER $275,000.

THAT INCLUDES THE FRINGE AS WELL.

THAT IS NOT JUST THE BASIS SALARY.

I DID RESTRUCTURE THE LIST OF REGRADED POSITIONS.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A BREAK AND KNOW SHERRY HANDED OUT SOME INFORMATION ON HER RECOMMENDATIONS SO THAT I COULD MAKE SURE THAT I CAPTURED ALL OF THE POSITIONS THAT WILL BE REGRADED AND WHAT THAT IMPACT IS GOING TO BE. AND THEN ENSURE THOSE ARE PRESENT BACK TO YOU ACCURATELY TO DETERMINE IF THOSE ARE SOME YOU WANT TO IMPLEMENT.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> LASTLY, JUST TO ADDRESS IN A WHOLE PICTURE, WHERE DO WE GO WITH SALARY ADMINISTRATION? IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT EVERY SINGLE DAY, EVERY SINGLE YEAR FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO COME.

SO STAYING ON TOP OF OUR MARKET SOURCES, WHO WE COMPARE TO, UNDERSTANDING WHERE AND WHY OUR EMPLOYEES ARE LEAVING AND WHERE AND WHY WE GAIN EMPLOYEES, WHERE THEY COME FROM. WHAT THEY ARE EXPECTING WHEN THEY GET HERE. ADDRESSING AT BUT THE TIME WHERE EMPLOYEES SALARIES ARE AND WHERE THEY SHOULD BE AND THEN UNDERSTANDING AND ADDRESSING WHEN WE HIRE NEW EMPLOYEES DO THEY ALWAYS NEED OR SHOULD WE ALWAYS HIRE THEM AT THE MINIMUM? WE HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE RIGHT NOW THAT ADDRESSES THE DESIRE OF DEPARTMENT HEAD AND ELECTED OFFICIALS TO HIRE EMPLOYEES THAT MAY COME TO US TOTALLY TRAINED OR WITH VERY NOMINAL TRAINING NEEDS. THEY ARE USUALLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY WORKED IN OUR ENVIRONMENTS AND CAN BRING FABULOUS EXPERTISE. AND SO WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS TO US HIRE THEM ABOVE THE MINIMUM, BOTH WITH H.R.'S REVIEW, BUDGET REVIEW AND THEN IN SOME INSTANCES THE COURT REVIEW. SO THE OTHER THING IS ADDRESSING OUR PAY PLAN AS A WHOLE, IT'S OFTEN DIFFICULT, UNLESS A TRUE REORGANIZATION IS OCCURRING IN A DEPARTMENT FOR US TO MANAGE CHANGES THAT COME OUR WAY NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR CYCLE SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT ALL POSITIONS AS A, AS AN AGGREGATE VERSUS IN MARCH, IF SOMEONE, A DEPARTMENT HEAD OR OR ELECT LEAKED OFFICIAL REQUESTS POSITION CHANGES AND IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A REORG. IT TEND TO JEEP DIES OUR POSITIONS IN COUNT THAT HE AREN'T BEING REQUESTED FOR REVIEW OUTSIDE OF THE BUDGET CYCLE.

JUST ASKING FOR US TING COGNIZANT OF THAT SITUATION, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. REWORKS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN.

REQUIREMENTS CHANGE IN DEPARTMENTS AND THATMENT MEANS THE DEPARTMENT HEAD SOMETIMES DO VERSUS TO ASK FOR CHANGE. SO ADDRESSING THE INDIVIDUAL REGRADE REQUEST. I THINK, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO, FOR VICKY AND I TO MAKE SURE WE'VE ACCUMULATED -- I OBVIOUSLY HAVE REVIEWED ALL OF THE POSITIONS INDEPENDENT OR WITH THE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE ASKED FOR POSITION REGRADES. I CAN GO THROUGH THOSE IN DETAIL IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT NOW, OR WHAT WOULD BE

BEST, VICKY? >> I CAN GO THROUGH THEM.

>> I FEEL LIKE IT MIGHT BE BEST TO PRINT THE LIST SO THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR WHICH POSITIONS ARE BEING REGRADE AND WHICH DEPARTMENTS WHERE THEY'RE AT NOW AND THE IMPACT OF WHAT THEY'LL GO TO.

>> YES. >> THESE REGRADES ARE BASED ON POLICY, SO IT'S TO THE NEW MINIMUM OR AT THE SAME SALARY IF ABOVE THE NEW MINIMUM.

>> WOULD YOU SAY THE COST WAS APPROXIMATELY $275,000

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FOR THE REGRADES? >> YES, MA'AM.

IT'S $269,502 FOR THE GENERAL FUND IMPACT.

THERE WERE A FEW REGRADES IN THE TRANSPORTATION

DEPARTMENT. >> OKAY.

>> DO YOU WANT TO GO DO THAT NOW? DO YOU WANT TO TAKE A

BREAK? >> JUDGE BECERRA: NO, I THINK COMMISSIONER SHELL SAID HE HAS GOT THEM.

THEN WE CAN LOOK THEM AND KEEP THIS MOVING.

WE HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP TO KEEP IT MOVING, WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK, NOT TRYING TO SHUT YOU DOWN.

JUST KEEP IT MOVING. >> SURE.

SO THE ONLY OTHER PIECE OF THE SALARY ANALYSIS IN ADDITION TO THE INDIVIDUAL REGRADE REQUEST OR POSITION CHANGE REQUEST, WE DID PULL INFORMATION AND I INCLUDE THAT HAD IN YOUR PACKET LAST WEEK AND TODAY ON ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES. SO I JUST AT A VERY QUICK GLANCE, IT'S EASY TO SEE THAT MOST OF THE ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES BASED ON THE JOB MARKET FOR COUNTIES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY USING, MOST OF THOSE ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE OFF. WE'RE CURRENTLY OFF AT LEAST 10% AT A MINIMUM 10%. SO I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONSON THAT. THAT -- I CAN DELVE INTO, SO

[27. Discussion and possible action to authorize the execution of an agreement between Hays County and Milliman, Inc. for actuarial services related to retiree drug subsidy.]

MY COMPARISON WAS TO BASE SALARY THERE ARE ENTITIES THAT INCLUDE TRAVEL AND OTHER SUPPLEMENTS IN ADDITION TO BASE SALARIES. I COMPARED BASE SALARY TO

BASE SALARY. >> JUDGE BECERRA: WELL DONE.

VERY, VERY -- ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT FRONT.

>> I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT WENT INTO THE SAL REQUIRE SURVEYS. I KNOW -- SALARY SURVIVES.

I'VE -- SURVEYS. YOU WERE SWAMPED WITH THOSE BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT WENT INTO T. SOME OF THE NUMBERS ARE TELLING WHEN WE START LOOKING THROUGH, ESPECIALLY IN SOME OF THE REQUESTS THAT WE GOT THIS YEAR FOR INDIVIDUAL PERSON PERSONNEL AND I'M SHOCKED AT SOME OF THE FOLKS WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN AT THE SALARY LEVELS THAT WE ARE MAINTAINING THEM AT BECAUSE I'M SURPRISED THEY'RE STILL WITH THE COUNTY HONESTLY.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE WELCOME.

[28. Discussion and possible action to create the Hays County Salary Grievance Committee for the remainder of the fiscal year Pursuant to Chapter 152 of the Local Government Code.]

>> I APPRECIATE THE WORK, TOO AND ELECTED OFFICIAL PAY, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO USE TOTAL COMPENSATION BECAUSE EVERY COUNTY DOES SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

FOR INSTANCE, OUR TRAVEL FOR A COMMISSIONER IS $15,000 PART OF THE SALARY. IT JUST ADDS UP TO WHAT THE SALARY IS. THAT IS HOW WE GET PAID.

I LIKE TO USE TOTAL COMPENSATION TO COMPARE ELECTED OFFICIALS ACROSS COUNT EAT.

OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A DIFFERENCE FROM THE MEDIAN WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE USED IN THE PAST.

IN THE PAST, COMMISSIONER INS GALLONSBY, IT WAS BEFORE MY TIME, 2009 TIME FRAME, COUNTY FORMED A CITIZENS GROUP AND HIRED A CONSULTANT TO DO THE REVIEW OF ELECTED OFFICIAL PAY AND ESTABLISH A FRAMEWORK TECHNICALLY OF SUPPOSEDLY A POLICY AS WELL TO A CERTAIN EXTENT OF HOW TO PAY ELECTED OFFICIALS. THE IDEA WAS TO TAKE THESE COUNTIES THAT MISS MILLER HAS IDENTIFIED, TAKE THE COMPETITION FOR EACH ELECTED OFFICIAL, TAKE THE AVERAGE, THAT'S WHAT HAYS COUNTY WOULD BE SET AT.

IT WAS A COUPLE OF CHANGES. ONE WAS TO PAIR THE DISTRICT CLERK AND COUNTY CLERK WHICH ISN'T NECESSARILY DONE ACROSS COUNTIES. THAT WAS REDONE AGAIN IN I'M

GOING TO SAY 2015 OR 16. >> 15.

>> THAT WAS THEN RESET AGAIN AT THAT TIME SO THAT WAS SEVERAL YEARS, 6 YEARS AFTER ITS INITIAL ATTEMPT.

SO THEY WERE SET THAT ARCHING.

THAT RESULTED IN -- AVERAGE. THAT RESULTED IN RACES FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS AT THES TIME DEPENDING ON WHAT THE DISCREPANCY WAS AND IT WAS WHAT THE AVERAGE WAS YOU MOVED THE ELECTED OFFICE TO THAT POSITION, IN BETWEEN THE TWO DAYS THERE WAS A DATE WHEN ELECTED OFFICIALS BESIDES COMMISSIONERS COURT RECEIVED A PERCENT INCREASE, MAYBE 3 PERCENT IN 2018. SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT.

>> 5% IN 2019. >> 2019.

>> SO WE'RE IN 2021. THE, THIS IS THE MARKET, THESE ARE THE AVERAGES AGAIN.

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I USE THE TOTAL COMPENSATION AND IF THE COURT WANTS TO MAKE ANY STRIDES TO GET BACK UP TO THAT, I PROBABLY, I MEAN TO BE HONEST WITH YOU THIS IS WE FAR DOWN ON LIST BUT SINCE I DID HAVE THE HISTORY OF WORKING ON THIS, THAT'S WHY I'M EXPLAINING IT, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TAKE A COUNTY COMMISSIONER, FOR INSTANCE.

WHICH I'M NOT PROPOSING TO DO THIS, THE DIFFERENCE IS $104,000 AVERAGE VERSUS 97,000.

THAT IS NOT A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN COMMISSIONER PAY TO TOTAL COMPENSATION ACROSS THE AVERAGE.

IN OTHER OFFICES, IT DOES, IT'S QUITE DIFFERENT.

A DISTRICT CLERK IS 11,000 DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE AVERAGE OF DISTRICT COURTS ARE PAID ACROSS THE MARKET.

TO WHAT OURS S. SAILS WITH COUNTY CLERK.

$12,000 DIFFERENCE. WE HAVE ALL THIS.

J.P.S ARE ABOUT $9,000 DIFFERENT.

CONSTABLES ARE $9,000MENT -- 9,000 FROM THE AVERAGE OF THAT MARKET. SHERIFF IS 16,000 SHY OF THAT MARKET. SO THAT IS FROM THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTY ON HOW TO PAY ELECTED OFFICIAL, THAT IS HOW IT HAS BEEN COMPARED IN THE PAST.

>> THE OTHER CAVEAT TO THAT IS THAT THE TAX ASSESSOR OFTEN TIMES AVERAGES OUT GREATER THAN THE COMMISSIONER. AND SO WHEN WE USE THE RAIN ASSOCIATE STUDY BY ADDRESS THAT AND ADDRESS THE TAX ASSESSOR'S WAGE SO THAT IT WAS NOT HIGHER THAN THE COMMISSIONER'S WAGE. SO WAS THAT THE OTHER IN ADDITION TO THE CLERKS EQUALIZING THE CLERKS.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> JUDGE BECERRA: WRAP UP

THE WORKSHOP. >> AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE'LL CONCLUDE OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP AND THANK YOU SO MUCH. MISS MILLER FOR ALL THE WORK. I HAVE OUR AUDITORS OFFICE GIVE ME -- [INAUDIBLE]

>> JUDGE BECERRA: OKAY. DID YOU HEAR THAT.

>> YEAH, PRETTY MUCH, IT WAS LOW, BUT WE NEEDED TO TAKE A

BREAK TO -- >> IF YOU CAN GIVE ME ABOUT FIVE OR TEN MINUTES TO PRINT SOME THINGS OUT FOR YOU TO GO OVER FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THE THREE WORKSHOPS, WHERE INDIVIDUALS CAME IN AND REQUESTED AS WELL AS GO THROUGH THE REGRADE LIST WITH SHERRY AND GET THAT READY FOR YOU TO REVIEW, AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE THE

BUDGET WORKSHOP. >> JUDGE BECERRA: OKAY.

>> SO IT'LL GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE DECISIONS ONS ALL OF THOSE REQUESTS SO THAT YOU WILL BE PREPARED TO VOTE AN A PROPOSED BUDGET AT THE 1:00

PUBLIC HEARING. >> JUDGE BECERRA: OKAY.

IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH OR IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THE IDEA OF CONTINUING AGENDA ITEMS WHILE SHE WORKS THAT?

>> THAT'S FINE. >> JUDGE BECERRA: THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. WE'LL PAUSE THE WORKSHOP AND WE'LL CONTINUE ON TO AGENDA ITUM NUMBER 27.

WHAT WE'LL DO WITH THE PAUSE IN THE WORKSHOP IS ALLOW THE AUDIT EASE OFFICE TO RUN THE NUMBERS OF THE RECOMMENDATION, SUGGESTION, THE ASKS, ARTICULATIONS THAT YOU HAVE SEEN IN COURT FOR US TO LOOK AT AND SEE THE IMPACT OF THAT RECOMMENDATION, SUGGESTION, ASK FOR US TO VOTE ON, ALSO FURTHER AT 1:00, IN THE MEAN TIME WE'LL CONTINUE THROUGH THE AGENDA, IF YOU'LL PLEASE

OPEN AGENDA ITUM NUMBER 27. >> 27, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN HAYS COUNTY AND MILLEMAN INC. FOR ACTUARIAL SERVICES RELATED TO RETIREE DRUG SUBSIDY.

>> SO MOVED. >> MOVED.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, PRETTY WELL WRITTEN, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

>> JUDGE BECERRA: WILL YOU PLEASE OPEN

>> FOR THE REMAINDER OF FISCAL YEAR PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 152 OF

THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

MR. KENNEDY. >> I BROUGHT MY HAT. I WAS

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WONDERING WHAT THAT HAS WAS. >> THE EXTENSION SAYS MUST BE

IN AN APPROPRIATE CONTAINER. >> THIS IS MY HAT.

>> I LOVE IT. (LAUGHTER)

>> OKAY. SO I GO TO YOU. >> VOTE FIRST?

>> DOES SOMEBODY ELSE WANT TO DO THE HONORS OF THIS?

>> UH-OH, ONE FELL OUT OVER THERE.

>> YEAH. I'LL GET IT. >> THEY'RE TRICKY LITTLE THINGS.

OKAY. SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO DRAW? SHE'S GOING TO PUT THEM

IN THERE. >> SERGIO MALDONADO.

>> YOU TAKE -- >> YOU GOING TO WRITE THEM IN

THAT ORDER? >> YEAH, THAT ORDER.

>> BRIAN WALSH. >> THEY'RE SO TIGHTLY DONE.

(LAUGHTER) >> TIGHTLY DONE.

[29. Discussion and possible action to authorize the execution of a contract with the Department of State Health Services (DSHS) in the amount of $400,000 for activities in relation to the COVID-19 Health Disparities Grant Program and amend the budget accordingly.]

>> CALA (INDISCERNIBLE) . ALSO I HAVE REALLY FAT FINGERS, OR THEY'RE FEELING FAT AT THE MOMENT. ALL RIGHT. LISA CABELLO. DORIS WAGNER. LINDSEY GOMEZ.

[30. Discussion and possible action to approve an agreement between Hays County and Texas State University for costs related to the Tyler Technologies’ New World Computer Aided Dispatch (CAD) and Records Management System (RMS) necessary for operations of the Combined Emergency Communications Center (CECC).]

MOLLY BEARD. PHILLIP (INDISCERNIBLE) DEBRA JACOBY. ROBERT YOUNG.

KIMBERLY SHELLY. RAFAEL CAMERENA.

TAYLOR SALLY. GEORGE PETERSON JR. CLAYTON DE STEFANO. RODNEY SPARKS. THAT ONE GOT AWAY FROM ME.

>> LITTLE DEVILS. >> TAKES A VILLAGE. ALL RIGHT.

JAKE MENITTI, JR. ARE WE GOING TO DO THEM ALL? PROBABLY A GOOD

IDEA. YOU BROUGHT 30? >> YEAH.

>> CHARLENE MARTINEZ. THEY'LL BE CALLED IN THIS ORDER WHEN THEY'RE CALLED TO BE QUALIFIED. BREANNA RANDOLPH. CHERYL

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MORLAND. >> THAT'S 20.

>> OKAY. >> WE'RE GETTING CLOSE.

>> EZEKIEL GILL. SIERRA LOARA.

JOHN ESCOBEL JR. SEAN WELCH. GARRETT BURGESS. JOSE GARZA.